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  1. Honor died, but we have several clues in RoW indicating that he may be re-emerging. We've known since OB that Dalinar has taken up Honor's perpendicularity. Rayse believes Dalinar ascended, but I don't think Dalinar is the one ascending, actually. Like ... like ... like Odium. Everywhere we see red and gold together, it is Odium. Perhaps this is merely an indication that Kal is close to becoming a Child of Odium at this particular moment, howling after losing Teft and then these eyes. At the same time, Odium-red eyes have previously always been caused by a bond with voidspren, which seems not to be the case here. And why would soldiers fear a child of Odium, like themselves? Instead, perhaps these colors point to Kaladin's coming ascension. Honor's robes are gold, as well. Moash's continual insistence surrounding Kaladin's immortality certainly points to ascension. Finally, Tara-Odium notices a "growing" and "verdant" power, which is clearly pointing toward Cultivation. However, just as the back of RoW falsely implies that Navani will be a Lightweaver with its half-dozen references to truths and lies, I believe this most obvious allusion to Cultivation is not the one actually intended. Verdant can also mean brand new and budding. Growing points to something new.
  2. Audible is working but I don’t believe it ever downloaded, just streaming. But working is working! Not a spoiler: Barely into Part 2, and I’ve decided that when Veil cheats on Adolin with Kaladin, Adolin won’t be too broken up. He’ll have realized he’s gay by then and come out of the metaphorical closet. Not the literal closet, mind. That boy will never abandon his wardrobe!
  3. Is anyone else having an issue with the Audible version? I submitted a help email to Amazon Audible. It says 0 parts and so will download nothing! The Kindle version works without a problem.
  4. Love. Love, love, love, love, love!!! I think I may have salivated more than Veil at all the theories, ideas, research, and connections that Mraize inspired in me in this chapter! I'm going to talk a lot about all of the prologues, too, because that's where we tend to get the most info on what Gavilar was up to and who his cronies were. Gavilar had two meetings the day he died: the first was with the Heralds Nale and Kalak, and the second was with five others - two soldiers of whom one was Amaram, two females of whom one was almost certainly Ialai, and an old dude in robes. I'm 75% certain that the other female was Aesudan because, like Amaram, she was easily lured by the enemy, and there is another huge reason that I'll get to later in this post! As someone else has already mentioned, I believe the Stormfather was previously sending Gavilar visions from the Almighty and was likely to bond with Gavilar before his death. I also suspect that, with nine of the current heralds forsaking their oaths, we might see replacement heralds in this series. However, as another person already said, I think that Gavilar's aims might be even higher than that. I suspect Wit's mission might be to "unite them" with "them" being the shards, and that may have been what Honor meant, too, when he said "unite them." I'm reasonably sure that's how Gavilar interpreted his messages from Honor, and I'm also reasonably sure that Gavilar intended to be the new Adonalsium, the new holder of the shards, the new single God. So Mraize wasn't lying about power, both literal power (Investiture) and metaphorical power (all powerful God). I wonder if that might be Mraize's aim, as well, but it could just be making money by transporting literal power. I believe that Wit's aim is to find someone else worthy of holding all of the shards, like Sazed or Dalinar. I had thought Adolin being the new Adonalsium would be perfect because of the similarities in their names, but I no longer view him as capable of handling that much power well. Perhaps no human is worthy. Someone mentioned that the spheres Gavilar had in the prologue seem to have come from Braize, and that might be true, but I tend to think they were at least not transporting the Unmade back and forth from Braize. Surely at least some of these spheres contain the Unmade: Navani's RoW prologue implies they contain Voidlight and spren; Szeth's WoK prologue implies something extremely dangerous is in the sphere Szeth received from Gavilar; and Eshonai's OB prologue implies that the sphere Eshonai took contained the Unmade Ba-Ado-Mishram (BAM). Immediately before Gavilar gives BAM to Eshonai, he shows her a fabrial and explains that they work by trapping a spren. And then he says, "with a very special gemstone, you can even hold a god." He said that humans robbed the parshmen of their abilities to transform by capturing "an ancient, crucial spren," the spren that he gives Eshonai to bring the Everstorm. So I think that humans had captured BAM and perhaps some other Unmade spren he had trapped in his Voidlight-infused spheres. I don't think humans would have stored trapped Unmade on Braize, because Braize is controlled by the Fuzed. However, Gavilar may be sending empty gemstones back and forth to Braize, and Braize is surely where the Voidlight came from that infused the spheres. So, how did the Voidlight and/or spheres get from Braize to Roshar and vice-versa? That's the six-million dollar question, innit? And I think I know part of that answer!!! From Navani's RoW prologue where she sees Aesudan and her famous artifabrian: Later, Ausudan claims that Gavilar was the guy who invited Rushur Kris, and I thought that was the worst lie I had ever heard. Until now. Now, I believe that was 100% true. Because what I hadn't noticed the first time I'd read through the RoW prologue was the box connection!!! Rushur has a box that might work like a fabrial because he is the fabrial master, after all, and Gavilar had mentioned his heating fabrial to Eshonai a bit later in Eshonai's prologue. Before that, though, Gavilar has a box, in Navani's same RoW prologue after we see Aesudan and where Navani overhears this exchange between Gavilar and the heralds: So Rushur's fabrial box that he was showing Aesudan seems to be an identical box (both likely designed by Rushur) to the one Gavilar is using to transport "them" (spheres?) back and forth from Roshar. So Nale and Kalak and especially Rushur seem the best candidates for knowing what is going on followed by the five with Gavilar, three of whom are (probably) dead (Amaram and Ialai and Aesudan). But that leaves one soldier and one guy in robes. Restares, Torol Sadeas, and possibly Taravangian (he'd definitely been playing the game with Gavilar but seems less likely to be a Son of Honor than Restares or Torol) seem the best candidates for these two positions. Sadeas is dead, but Restares and possibly Taravangian might be good sources. ETA: The epigraph of Chapter 13 may provide further clues as to how the box works. Are there conjoined boxes with matching half-spren and half-gemstones? Was one box delivered to and left on Braize via Shadesmar while the other box is in Gavilar's hands? And they're transferring gemstones via these boxes? Are the boxes lined with metals? What kinds of spren? What kind of gemstones? I'm thinking transportation gemstones and spren from either the Elsecallers or the Willshapers. Other thoughts?
  5. I think the pilot is the FTL. M-Bot says that the component is missing. The pilot is missing. Doomslug isn't missing. When Rig tells Spin that someone must have taken the hyperdrive device, she speculates that the old pilot took it. Irony. Yes, yes he did. He takes it everywhere he goes. The empty box is a red herring and a nod to the room at the PC that held the secret FTL communications device, guarded by some dude wtih a strange lever. The lever was a coffee machine and the guard was the FTL device. Gran-Gran-Gran (Gran-Gran's mother) was the engine. Spensa was the FTL. And the pilot before her was, too. Doomslug could possibly become M-Bot's FTL, too, but I don't think he has been before.
  6. Defending Elysium describes one of the primary alien lifeforms, the Varvax, as crablike creatures with exoskeletons but who were actually tiny creatures living inside nutrient baths in these exoskeletons. Varvax consume nutrient baths, but WoB says that they consume something else that would be extremely telling. My thought: mushrooms! Doomslug could be an alien creature who lived inside an exoskeleton until he crashed on Detritus and busted his exoskeleton open. M-Bot has been finding Doomslug mushrooms to survive on. And the "Krell" are actually Varvax, so while M-Bot isn't Krell, his passenger in the foldout jump seat was. Questions still remain. Who was M-Bot's pilot, other than his name of Commander Spears? What were Spears and Doomslug trying to accomplish? Will Doomslug be able to liaison with other Krell on Spensa's behalf or give Spensa vital info to escaping the Krell? If Doomslug were imprisoned in the same way that other Varvax in Defending Elysium were, no Sense or FTL would be possible at all - or at least that's my impression. The cytonic-suppression device would also likely never be able to cover an entire planet.
  7. Here are some more quotes I'm reviewing on the Varvax and their similarities to the Krell, and what that may or may not mean for Doomslug. From Page 503 of Skyward: And then from Defending Elysium, describing Sonn the Varvax: The murdered Varvax ambassador was described as a "burned carapace." From Page 255 of Skyward: So the Krell (creatures inside living crablike armor that is squat, squarish, and bulky) seem amazingly similar to Varvax (creatures floating in nutrient baths sealed within inorganic exoskeleton shells, also called carapaces). Knowing Brandon, I cannot think these similarities are coincidental. So, Skyward tells us several times that most burned out Krell ships are empty, which jives with what we learn at the end when Spensa discovers that the Krell are "prison guards who fly mostly unmanned drones." However, some Krell ships contain burned out armor with no bodies inside. Those nutrient baths could be consumed by the fires, but what about the creatures inside? Would there be nothing left? Is Doomslug the only one who survived?
  8. Thank you! I need to spend some Skyward time on the Arcanum... This one is pretty cool, too!
  9. In Defending Elysium, Faster Than Light (FTL) communication and transportation - and all of cytonics, really - were viewed by alien life forms as interchangeable with Primary Intelligence and Civilization. And later, near the end of Defending Elysium: So the aliens have assumed that a civilization must reach Primary Intelligence and a completely peaceful society before attaining FTL travel (cytonic hyperdrive). Both Jason and Spensa seem to prove this theory incorrect to a degree, though I am certain that M-Bot's cytonic hyperdrive would never have been engaged had the Battle of Alta not been won a decade before, allowing the clans to come together and Spensa to grow up with some civilization in Igneous. The primary mission of the Krell (Varvax? Tenasi? Those and more?) seems to be preventing humans from congregating in large enough groups to form a society and gain civilization because they know that this is the path to FTL. Pre-Battle of Alta, Spensa's dad (Pages 6 & 9) says, And then later, from the top brass (Page 95): And then the big reveal at the end (Page 509): So annihilating civilization without annihilating human race is the Krell goal because the Krell know that civilization leads to FTL. The Krell must suspect Spensa is close to FTL, as they suspected her father was, but Spensa indicated that they didn't know she could listen in on them and that they certainly didn't know she could FTL travel. The Defiants are far too uncivilized for FTL, yet, at least according to Varvax theory, and still, humans seem to be defying this law of reaching a peaceful civilization before achieving FTL. So this theory seems both partially right and partially wrong. I'm convinced Spensa's cytonics bloomed as a result of the Battle of Alta and Igneous's civilization, but Spensa is a far cry, even at the end of Skyward, from a peaceful person, and Defiants are a far cry from a peaceful civilization. So perhaps the aliens are wrong about what constitutes civilization. Is peace at all costs civilized? Are cytonic-stifling concentration camps civilized? Is what the Krell have done to the Defiants (bombing to scatter, making Defiants warmongers) civilized? My hope is that the Defiants will soon be undergoing an FM revolution, one that will raise them all to Primary Intelligence even if they aren't the same peaceful civilization the aliens insist must occur to reach that level. FM's philosophies on civilization are explored on Page 190: And as a bit of an aside but still related, Doomslug! That Doomslug FTL travels seems at least 90% certain given how she moves with lightning speed whenever Spensa's not looking. Aliens tell us that one must reach Primary Intelligence to obtain FTL, and so Doomslug appears to be a creature of Primary Intelligence. Dude!!! That would mean, at the very least, Doomslug is sapient. So is Doomslug Krell? I think that is a distinct possibility, but I definitely see her as friendly even if she is the enemy. The Varvax are "small creatures that floated in a nutrient bath sealed within their inorganic shells [enormous exoskeletens]," but what if Doomslug lost her exoskeleton? Could Varvax survive without these and their nutrient baths?
  10. She has read a lot of fantasy and a little of the same fantasy that I have, but she has unfortunately never read Sanderson. I've tried to bribe her with the awesome foreshadowing, which we both love. And recently I've tried bribing her with the Shardblades. She met her boyfriend when she joined a D&D group at her school. They were impressed with her complex backstories for weapons and characters, especially since it was her first time playing. Reading helped with that, of course. And so I told her that the Shardblades were crazy awesome and that she needed to become familiar with them. And Voidbringers. And spren. Everyone needs to read Sanderson.
  11. Our eldest started high school this year, started driving this month, and just got her first real boyfriend on Friday night, mere hours after I'd christened him her almost-boyfriend. So much growing up! Annie Pooh let me know that the new beau had been walking her to class, and I was all, but no touching, right? She said they had been hugging. At that point, I thought it was the perfect time to quote much of this chapter to her: And then I told her that I said all of that to say this, "NO MATING!" I told her I'd be saying that every time they hugged. And then this was the conversation: Do you have a favorite section of Oathbringer? Do you have a real-world application?
  12. Hi, @Yata. Here is the book evidence as I see it. Above, we have Urithiru sleeping. Dalinar conversing with the Stormfather: So the third sibling - or Sibling - is also slumbering, implying a connection to Urithiru and it's fabrial-like power. Here, we also know that we have three especially godlike spren: The Stormfather, the Nightwatcher, and a third "sibling" who is likely the Sibling. So one of the three Bondsmiths has to almost constantly be at Urithiru, probably due to the nature of the specific spren that this Bondsmith always bonds. So this quote heavily implies that the three Bondsmith spren are the Stormfather, the Nightwatcher, and the Sibling. If the Sibling is one of the Bondsmith spren, it is likely we will see the Sibling bonded to some Bondsmith by the end of the series. And from the Coppermind: Why Navani? Well, this evidence is more subjective. Jasnah might be equally knowledgeable of fabrials, of course, but the Soulcasting she does is all with a fake fabrial. And she recommends that Shallan's fabrial be fixed by Navani - not herself - when they get to the Shattered Plains, describing Navani as a renowned artifabrian. Jasnah isn't so much about binding folks together. And why would we want to tie an Elsecaller down to one single location, nullifying her Transportation surge, taking her out of the fighting, and keeping her from the Elsecaller task of hiding the perfect gems? Though one could theoretically bond more than one spren, it seems like the Sibling would cancel most of Ivory's benefits. In Navani's only chapter, Pieces of a Fabrial (Ch 96), we see Navani bringing together all of the leaders at Urithiru, designing their chair-carrying tradition so she could study them, listening to the others and constantly asking herself how she can bring order from this chaos. The entire chapter seems to support Navani as one who is growing into a lady who can bond people together. Here is a little bit: So Dalinar gathered but didn't form the coalition. Navani starts to do that herself in this chapter, particularly after this quote. I can't help but wonder if one of her oaths might be, I will bring order to the chaos. Lastly, from WoB: And then, as I said in the original post, we have Navani's chapter symbol as a fabrial whereas Jasnah's is Shadesmar, Shallan's is Pattern, Kal's is a cape in the wind (implying Windrunner), and Adolin's is himself and Maya. So many if not most chapter symbols relate to Order or spren somehow.
  13. theory

    I thought this was an interesting response, mostly because I would have expected something more like, "Damnation no!" Hmm.
  14. Ha! Thank you, Hoid. I think the fact that Sanderson said "mundane objects" (and placed these objects under such intense security) sent bells off in my head to pay attention to these ostensibly mundane things, since they probably weren't nearly as mundane as promised. And then comments about where the Jezrien knife came from (in the huge full reactions thread) and why they were suddenly able to kill Heralds made me go back to look at those "mundane" objects to see if there was a knife. And there was. I definitely could be wrong. I suspect that the sapphire pommel was added by Team Odium specifically with Jezrien in mind, perhaps because only his Order's gem would work on him. An ancient knife that possibly hadn't been used (or cleaned and polished much) for millennia might not look important enough to be in the inner vault with the King's Drop, especially without the pommel. Or they might not be the same knife.
  15. Or perhaps brilliant execution. I have a theory that the old knife mentioned to be in the innermost vault with the King's Drop might be the actual target of the heist: Because perhaps this is the same knife that turns up later in Moash's hands: And then we have this conversation between Venli and Odium: Some think the bane is Dalinar, but I think he's implying that this prize is something, not someone, and located in Thaylen City. That's why they came to Thaylen City. And I wouldn't call even the Blackthorn the bane of Roshar. There were many men more evil than he, even at the height of his evilness. The knife seemed to have sucked something out of Jezrien, his soul perhaps. And a soul-sucking knife seems truly evil indeed. Of course, it could be a spren or something else. But the sapphire (the gem specifically for Jes) is occupied by something.