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  1. Speaking of why it was rushed edit: Love that @wotbibliophile @Dreamstorm - just another example of something that clearly belonged to Shallan once and was pushed onto Veil.
  2. That's pretty much where I am even though I think it was more about further manipulating herself than Adolin. "Yeah, Veil is stupid. Absolutely nothing to do with me tho! Nothing at all." The line is harsh because she is overcompensating.
  3. It's not about how long they have known each other but about how much time they actually spend in each other's company. Unlike Adolin and Shallan, Kaladin and Shallan hardly ever interact after they first become aware of the other one's issues in the chasms (in fact after the healing tent they don't talk to one another for like 800 pages). That's not really surprising - they have no business to interact with one another in Urithiru (Kaladin is a guard captain in the Kholin quarters who still very much sees himself as a darkeyed, lower class man, while Shallan is a lighteyed noblewoman in Sebarial camp who is bethroted to the Kholin heir; the societal expectations are rooted far too deep for the factor of them being KR to play any significant role in such a short timeframe), in Kholinar they each take up a different task and after that there is not much of a time for anything - but it's how it is.
  4. Once again - between coming out of chasms and ending of OB Kaladin and Shallan have maybe half an hour of cumulative face to face time (I'm ignoring the two offscreen scenes because I am not going to judge characters on something the author can't be bothered to write about - I'll just assume that there was no interaction between them on the drawing Urithiru/Thaylen flights). The notion that in that ridiculously small amount of time they should've come to some sort of deep understanding of one another's extremely complicated psychological issues and because they did not, they are incompatible, is ridiculous. Quite frankly Adolin and Shallan may be even worse off in that department considering their "time spent with each other/level of understanding (which is still very far from complete)" ratio.
  5. Shallan and Kaladin spent enough time with one another? Man, I need whatever copy of OB you people have.
  6. Agreed. Quite frankly if Alethi really held to oaths in such ridiculously absolute manner the society simply could not practically function.
  7. Well, I don't expect her to remain this clingy, meek self for the rest of the series. That would be quite disappointing as her character has so much more potentional.
  8. She takes these oaths while still living in massive self-denial As for the rest of the post... surely Shallan would never take a self-destructive course of action /s I agree with @Rainier - by Shallan's very nature the truths will be far more important to her character arc than oaths. Every character (Kaladin, Dalinar, Szeth too) being an "oaths person" would be pretty boring. And even oaths characters like Kaladin are learning that the world is not black and white.
  9. I could get over 'liking' - it would be only natural for two people who were thrown into their respective situations and a mere 'liking' does not really lead anywhere most of the time. I've certainly had a fare share of 'liking' relationships that stopped exactly there, lol. The problem is that 'liking' is a very weak word for how Kaladin clearly feels towards Shallan (the hamfisted denial at the end of OB notwithstanding).
  10. There certainly isn't much space in Shallan's thoughts for Adolin himself (or his well-being outside of what is useful to Shallan). Her two main motivations for jumping through with the marriage are sex (she's positively horny by the end of OB... it's probably not going to last) and anchoring Shallan so she can stay away from facing her old truths. She told Adolin about her fracturing but that's not something she ever tried to hide from herself - in context of her mental health the truths she tells others are meaningless in comparison to what she has to accept herself.
  11. I just want to note since I remember I brought this quote up somewhere - these are Veil's thoughts so she may be a bit biased for herself. edit: I still think it's very valid in the context of this conversation though.
  12. I would definitely say that Shallan is very much her base self, even if much of that core has been splintered and a bigger part of it may now reside in Veil.
  13. It makes sense with the one year gap, doesn't it? Almost too much. But well, that's the moment I'm dropping the book.
  14. Yeah, I certainly wouldn't call maskShallan the best version of herself. She may consider herself that at the moment but I think it's safe to say that she is wrong. She has stripped so much of herself away and locked it up in boxes that the only thing that remains is a barren husk. Heck, she's starting to remind me of Kvothe. All she needs is a big, fat chest in her closet.
  15. Well, much of this thread can be boiled down to questioning Brandon's intentions. However some of the structural choices he has made for the entire series (the need for changing flashback PoVs, the messy structure of "3 novels + flashback novel, a novelette and a bunch of short stories all in one book", the planned timeskips) are starting to bite him in the chull and I imagine it's only going to get worse. Personally I can't imagine a world in which I am going to care about Eshonai or Szeth flashbacks and if those books are as structurally messy as OB... These choices naturally make me question what I should expect from BS in other aspects of his writing too - should I pay attention to the foreshadowings shown in this and other threads or is their presence in the text unintentional, merely a result of sloppy writing that came out of the same place as the sloppy structural mistakes?
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