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  1. I think they are refering to "earning" the right to be a cool character on a meta level, rather then about qualifications for being a Radiant. Which in this case I don`t agree and I don't mind her stumbling into being a Radiant, since that's how most of the current Radiants got the job. And technically, Venli commited genocide against Listeners. That's not what he did. And those are not the reasons they give for not wanting him to have a redemption arc. That was Oathbringer.
  2. I feel like this is an issue with pacing and book size. The working out Seth's situation scenes would have slowed things down, when they needed to move fast and there simply wasn't enough space to address situation properly in Oathbringer. So, things must have happened, they just weren't covered by the book. I expect his situation would be expanded in the next one, including political implications of the person, who murdered kings through Roshar now serving Dalinar, who is suspected to have desires of world conquest. Or whether Taravangians role in it be revealed (likely not - Dalinar would hide the fact to preserve coalition, since he may think Taravangaian is still on side of humanity, despite terrible methods).
  3. For me Moash inspires sadness and a bit of revulsion, rather then hate. He feels dead and numb, maybe something like, Kaladin, if he allowed "the wretch" to win.
  4. It's likely that Parshmen would use the same technological advancements as humans. Jah Keved is under control of Diagram and Taravangian knows how to make fabrials that block shards. It's likely his deal with Odium would include transfer of all knowledge, including the secret to its manufacture. What we've seen of Fused, makes it clear, they are the sort to use every advantage - both technological advances and supernatural powers. I agree, if humanity united and organized, they could likely defeat Parshmen. But Odium and his agents aren't going to allow that to happen. The possession of Amaram's Alethi was as much about seizing the city, as it was about portraying Alethi as treacherous or susceptible to Odium's control. Even with his victory, Dalinar would now have to persuade others it wasn't his fault and that his troops can be trusted not to fall to Odium again. As far as Odium's plan, I think, he need whoever is in charge of the world (by some unknown definition, but likely political/military control) to release him from Oathpact. Right now Dalinar by virtue of being Honor's champion and world theoretically being controlled by "Honor's Children" has this authority. If Fused succeed in their conquest, they'll be legitimate masters of the world and thus able to release Odium.
  5. I believe Jasnah was proven to be right in her interactions with Kaladin and Shallan. She pointed to Kaladin's hesitation in making sacrifices to win, and he ended up freezing in combat, which led to the worst possible outcome of everybody dying. She treated Shallan as still needing to learn and not to skip basics, and Shallan proved herself ignorant and shallow in her grasp of situation in Kholinar, leading to torment and death of those she tried to help. I think she's not very good at expressing herself to people, but I think Shallan was right, when she said, that most infuriating thing about Jasnah is how she is always right.
  6. Odium's chances of successful conquest are not as unreasonable. It has been mentioned, that not all of the Fused & Voidspren have arrived yet, and that their best warriors are still absent. I expect once the veteran Fused arrive, Knights Radiant would have much harder time fighting. And the trick of fusing humans and voidspren would certainly make things complicated - clearly it's an experimental weapon, still being tested, but once perfected it gives Odium potential to make both obedient human armies, like palace guard in Kholinar, and champions capable of fighting Knights Radiant (granted Kaladin wasn't full KR). Plus a lot of KR seem to be shifting to Odium's side and he has Diagram, which is powerful conspiracy, in position of trust to Odium's enemies.
  7. I agree, that there's always another secret - there are gaps in what we know of Recreance, that may change it's meaning completely, if filled. For example, are we certain Radiant's spren didn't agree to Recreance? It could have been a sacrifice on their part - eternal torture to save the world, like Heralds. And I find it odd, that in vision they left Shardblades in a place, where people would fight and kill for them. Why didn't they try to leave such terrible weapons with somebody more trustworthy or hidden away. Granted at the time, people's opinion seemed to be turning against Radiants for some reason, if some books are to be believed.
  8. So, now that we had our first real look at Odium, what are your impressions of him? For me, the revelation of Odium as Shard of "Emotions" was certainly surprising and not what I expected. I think it does make sense why somebody, whom Hoid described as "loathsome" would pick this Shard. Not out of something simple like - he's evil, so he picked evil Shard. It's likely, because Odium is the only Shard that would let a person enjoy being a powerful god. Other Shards are more like elemental forces of nature, grinding down personality of their bearers, until all they care is the Shard's intent. Since Odium is about emotion, it allows it's holder to revel in it's power, retaining enough personality to be a human-god, rather then elemental force. You can see it in the way he presents himself - I've got Zeus-ish vibes, a greek god, powerful and human, at the same time. Of other gods we've seen - Ruin was more of a malevolent force, while Harmony is a god, who helps those, who help themselves. Odium, he'd wear a crown and scepter, and make himself an Olympus to look down and rule the ant-like mortals. As far as threats go, Odium is certainly fearsome. His ability to predict future lets him plan intricate strategies to utterly devastate his foes. Odium also proved to be able to adapt and innovate - it's clear, he is always coming up with new tricks to gain victory, so there's a bit of an magic arms race between him and his enemies. He is immortal, so his defeats are only temporary setbacks. And his power is enough to persuade others to serve him, rather then fight. I'd say there are three things, that can derail his plans - interference of other Shards, limitations of his own Shard and human choice. The majority of Odium's power is restrained by Oathpact and concern, that Cultivation would strike against him, if he overextends. I'd say Odium Shard's limitations are his human emotions. I've got an impression, that he is like Conan the Barbarian - wishing not merely to win, but to have his enemies driven before him and hear lamentations of their women. The way he set up the battle at Thaylenah was a bit theatrical, a demonstration of his power and personal touch at destroying his enemies. I think with less showmanship and more caution and restraint, Odium could have arranged more favorable odds for victory - but being who he is, he couldn't do it other way.
  9. I think we've actually seen the result of merging Odium and Honor's influence - Dalinar Kholin. And he is indeed terryifing. Though a bit of Cultivation's spice in the mixture may have helped.
  10. I think not every Alethi was susceptible. Amaram's troops were specifically primed for possession, led for years in a way without honor and directed to hate Dalinar Kholin for "murder of their Highprince". Dalinar's army disciplined and led according to codes wouldn't have fallen. And I don't think Odium had enough of his spren to possess more then that.
  11. I think Odium is emotions without any restrain. For example we consider love to be a positive emotion, but taken in excess it can mean stalking, murderous jealousy, trying to make the other person love you, against their will. Anger is good, if it's anger at injustices and evil, but in excess it's hatred. Joy is good, until it's taken too far into addiction and hedonism. There aren't good or bad emotions - it's all matter of balance and self-control. In this, like the balance of Ruin and Preservation, Odium's counterpart is Honor - the ability to restrain/bind your raw desires and emotions. Odium and Honor united may create a paragon - Dalinar Kholin, a man of both Odium and Honor, made powerful and driven by his passion, beholden to righteous course by honorable intent.
  12. Pure speculation of course, but I think it's Cultivationspren, who didn't cross from Shadesmar, but lived on the Roshar. 1. Cultivationspren wouldn't be able to sense storms, since they are of Honor, not Cultivation. 2. Cultivationspren could have predicted Everstorm and arrived in its aftermath to guide Parshmen. I believe Cultivation's ability to see future is pretty good and she seems to be one for making careful plans. Perhaps she plans to cultivate Parshmen into something aligned with her goals.
  13. Wait, doesn't that Spren look more like Cultivation Spren, then Odiumspren? We just assumed that Voidspren would be the ones leading Parshmen, but what if it's Cultivation making a move of her own. Granted, it's unknown, whose side she is on.
  14. The Knights Radiant killed their Spren, by breaking the Oaths. So, it got me thinking. If all Orders shared only the first Oath, all others being different, then it seems natural, that if they did it all together, they would break the first one: "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before the destination." So how exactly did they break it? Would wishing to kill their own Spren, count as violation of the first Oath and thus kill the Spren?
  15. Darkness was convinced, that Radiant's connection to Spren would invite new Desolations. So, it would make sense, that Radiants, who trusted Heralds, were told the same thing. As I understood from visions, Radiants were protecting humanity from Odium's Spren. The Orders are essentially Paladins, it's unlikely they would abandon their duty for entirely selfish reasons, so my theory is that they did it to somehow prevent Odium's Spren from coming to Roshar. I think, Radiants believed they were preforming a noble and necessary sacrifice to save Roshar from Desolations - nothing else would justify murder of their bonded Spren.
  16. I think Knight Radiants make the Desolations worse. 1. There is a lot of symmetry in Roshar. The conflict between Honor and Odium clearly has some rules - so maybe like chess, both sides can field the same number of pieces. Add Knight Radiants and Odium can add his own game pieces. 2. Spren imitated what Honor did - the Honorblades. And Honorblades are linked with Desolations. So maybe Spren are similar to Honorblades in their connection with Desolations. 3. The Desolations were getting worse, despite the addition of Knights Radiant. Considering their power, they should have made great difference, protecting the people. The fact they didn't, means Odium got stronger as well. 4. Diagram Taravangian doesn't consider Knight Radiants as central to his plan to save humanity from Desolation. This is odd, considering how much difference they could make. So maybe their presence is neutral, not positive, since they equally add to Odium's power. 5. Nalan is killing surgebinders, to prevent something terrible from happening. I think Knights Radiant were told that their presence would cause a Desolation and the only way to stop it would be to abandon their swords. Note, that it's very similar to how Heralds abandoned their Honorblades. I would say it's likely that Heralds told them - since Knights Radiant would believe something so great only from somebody they would have utmost trust in. The next part is more speculative. It's possible that Heralds themselves were mislead - Radiants make Desolations worse, but they are triggered only by the appearance of Herald with Honorblade, bound by Oathpact. There was something odd happening in the Dalinar's visions, like somebody releasing Midnight Essense. It could have been an attempt to make it seem like a Desolation was coming to trick the Heralds and Radiants, forcing them to ''chose life'', abandoning their Shardblades to stop the Desolation. I think Spren form the bond, on the assumption that despite it giving the extra power to Odium, the empowered humans will do more good. I think there was an explanation of humans & almighty, that talked about it. However, Odium found a way to gain an upper hand - perhaps by subverting one of the Heralds. For example Ishar, who organized the Knigths Radiant in the first place and probably had great influence over them. But that would be pure speculation on my part.
  17. Is it possible that person, who was tortured by the Odium for the last 4,500 years wasn't Taln? We don't know the exact mechanic of how Desolations-Heralds work, so maybe it's possible for a person to take Herald's place, if he/she takes up Honorblade. The real Taln made a deal with Odium and arranged for somebody, probably a Knight Radiant, to don his armor and take his Honorblade (under some convincing excuse). So what other Heralds saw was somebody looking like Taln, wielding Taln's Honorblade and they assumed it was Taln. In the proceeding 4,500 Odium systematically broke that person's mind, so all there is now are the repeating words of something Taln would be saying. The intent was probably to make people think it was Taln to deceive other Heralds. Of course it hinges on them not meeting him in person - but since they believe they've betrayed him, it's possible they would avoid facing him. I know it's a very far-fetched explanation and I think ''Taln'' interaction with Shallan is strongest evidence against this, as he grows lucid and recognizes her as ''one of Ishar's Knights''.
  18. 7. Kaladin will need somebody to read him the messages, since Alethi man can't read.
  19. I was wondering - Szeth appears to hear the voices of the people he killed. It could be a natural slipping of sanity under pressure of his deeds, but can it also be reinforced by his use of Stormlight? There have been indications stormlight's healing depends on person's self-perception, which is why Lopen can heal his arm and Kaladin's scars stick around. If the healing is affected by self-perception, then it might be possible that stormlight can actually subtly alter the person according to person's self-image. So, what if the same process is working on Szeth, except it's more of a mental alteration? Szeth believes he deserves to be haunted by those he killed, sees himself as a murderer and the shardblade as a weapon of damnation. So the stormlight that he is using is reinforcing and strengthening his self-loathing into something actual.
  20. I'm intrigued by the prospect of Jasnah and Kaladin's possible romance, simply because I don't know how it would play out with Jasnah being Jasnah. But I'm wondering if Taln is more likely. Jasnah is brilliant and utterly focused on saving humanity. She wouldn't bother with romance when the world is ending and she has a shot at saving it. But if she were to find Taln, a herald with shattered mind, she'll try to help him so he'd be able to provide information on the Desolations. So as she digs into who Taln it, she might find some affection for him.
  21. I think they use gemhearts with some sort of Cultivation magic to grow crops.
  22. Taln knew that he would be saving humanity and countless lives by agreeing to Oathpact and then withstanding torture. All Kaladin knew that he'd be dead soon, painfully on the battlefield, doing nothing of importance, fighting for light eyes greed . I agree that Taln has strong willpower, but they are really in unequal positions. Edit: I seem to have fixated on Kaladin before Bridge 4. As of end of WoR he is stronger, but certainly not up to Taln. His a determination is very strong when he fights for his ideals - beaten and powerless against Shardbearer strong.
  23. I agree - when he puts his situation as a chance to save other bridgemen he starts acting in a hopeless situation. Kaladin still got some depressive episodes, when he loses hope. I think they are connected to Weeping and there could be more to them. But by the second book he seems to be overcoming those and refusing to fall into despair. Give him time to grow and he'll be ready. Of course there's not much time left.
  24. I don't think you can compare them like that. Talenel'Elin is practically an immortal demigod, who lived for thousands of years, was given great powers by the god and has responsibility to preserve all of mankind. Kaladin is a slave without any power, who failed at everything he tried to accomplish, from protecting those he loved to trying to escape said slavery, put in a situation where he'll be certainly dead in a couple of months. Nothing depends on his action and his life and death are insignificant, decided on a whim of the lighteyes. Talenel'Elin's will at that point in time is certainly greater then Kaladin's - he lived longer and his choices determine the fate of the world (I think he can chose to end the suffering, but that would trigger Desolation). But can anybody else in the world be equal to his will and determination?
  25. The world with Harmony seems to be the only one with rapid advancement of technology. I think Taravangian's problem could be that his plan requires him to be in complete control. Does the world need unification under a single leader to be saved? Jah Kaved's King was friendly with Alethkar - at this point Dalinar could have convinced him to ally in the fight against Voidbringers, without the country suffering from civil war, which weakened it before the Desolation. I think world would be easier to save if Taravangian worked with Dalinar and Knights Radiant and not sought to eliminate them as threat to his world conquest. The Diagram names them competition - I think only because it's a plan for Taravangian to do the job solo (+minions & fooled followers). Plus the fact that anything can be sacrificed for survival is rather ominous - Parshman survived their defeat and even prospered as slaves/domesticated animals of humans.