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  1. I think I would disagree with this a bit. I actually, in a way, agree with the OP in that Kaladin is my least fav of the protagonists, but I don't think that's because he's poorly written or written unrealistically, rather, it's just my personal feelings toward his character (I find Shallan and Dalinar and Adolin and Jasnah and yes, Syl, etc. to be more interesting). But I think Sanderson actually does a great job of getting "in Kal's head". When you say "his characters don't tend to act like people would", I don't see it that way. In fact, I think one reason so many people were taken aback by Kal's dad in ROW was precisely this reason. He is *not* focused on the "greater evils" but on the day-to-day decisions that have to be made. He's not making cosmic choices, he's surviving. And that caused a clash (and I was one of the few who actually felt Kal's dad was acting sensibly, even if unkindly, given his situation). But Kal is *not* a regular guy. He's magical and he's cavorting around with other magical people who are bonded to splinters of gods. He is a part of the cosmic fight and can't afford to get dragged down into the minutia. I think this actually makes a lot of sense. Why does he avoid what might be seen as a "just" outcome for Roshone? Because it's quite literally unimportant to the broader issues that plague him. He doesn't like this! He wants to be just a regular guy worried about regular things--but big picture, strategic thinking just suits him. And he's the leader of his army whether he likes it or not, and he knows the weight of that responsibility. It's Laral that snaps him out of his pettiness, strangely enough (which is hilarious because she ALWAYS did the realistic thing that a girl/woman in her position would do). He transfers his irritation toward her, he still feels hatred and anger, but he recognizes the futility of it in the bigger scheme of things. He quite literally picks his battles. And I don't think that's unrealistic at all. In a war zone, people make a lot of tradeoffs for survival. Memories are short--even the Mink agrees to help Dalinar, after Dalinar's actions result in the death of his whole family. I don't think that's unrealistic at all.
  2. T-odium, in reviewing the contract, notes that it's written as such that Odium can't possibly be freed, which is a problem since that's what he wants more than anything. T-odium says: And notes a subtle possibility that could still work in his favor. I think the contract being a contest to the death makes the OP's theory a bit less plausible, but I think it's more plausible that he gets Dalinar to break his oath. To not show up, say, or to refuse the battle at all. This could make the contract null and void? Earlier, Odium (Rayse) says: But this was for the contract they did *not* agree to. But I assume the consequences of oathbreaking are the same, regardless of the oath? So if Dalinar doesn't show up at the appointed time in the appointed place? If he is killed before hand? If he is delayed or imprisoned? Broken oath, right?
  3. Definitely terrifying. i was quoting recent wob on shardcast the other day: But yes, we could def go down a morality rabbit hole that probably isn’t useful. :-)
  4. I think Odium has always going to be the "big bad" (or at least a major Big Bad), as the power, as Brandon says, of "god's rage unbound by morals" is a fearsome enemy. With Taravangian at the helm, it adds a more personal touch, we know him and we know that Dalinar knows him. It will surely cause a stir when it's known. I can't imagine how it would shake a world to find out first that your god (honor) is dead, then that there's ANOTHER god (Odium) who is very much alive and trying to destroy you, and THEN that THAT god has been replaced by a person you actually broke bread with! I'm sure it'll be something crazy. But I don't think it's going to change the trajectory of the cosmere so much as change some of the plot points we pass to get there, if that makes sense?
  5. I've seen that. I'm less sure that Unity is a DS because I think the "unity" idea seems encapsulated by the bondsmith purpose, but I do think there's something to the warm light thing. It's come up multiple times for a reason, I'm sure. a reason we probably won't learn about until book 9 or something. lol
  6. I don't see why He Who Quiets has to mean an assassin. Yes, Moash is given the name after he assassinates a Herald, but at that time, they may have thought it was merely entrapment (much as the GB do re: Shallan's mission). I don't think it's as important *which* name he's given but the fact that he's given *a* name at all. And the one available? One that was stripped from a human sympathizer. I'm sure Odium and the 9 found that to be a juicy little bit of ironic pettiness. I think the "they" gave your name to a human implies structure to the naming process, and Leshwi is not of high status enough to bestow such a name on her own. I'm sure she was instructed to do so if he showed his loyalty and fulfilled his mission. I wouldn't put it past Rayse to have done so with the express purpose of turning the knife (metaphorically lol) in "El" for his perceived treachery.
  7. I have def wondered about this. Is this just a matter of +/- investiture or the *source* of the investiture? Nightblood has consumed so very much investiture and so many different types...Honorblades are small splinters of Honor, and so are sapient spren (or cultivation, but still), so they seem equally matched. But Nightblood has investiture from endowment, honor, cultivation, etc. etc. by now. Does that matter?
  8. I would also say that Cultivation doesn't want to change people herself, she wants to encourage them to grow. To Cultivate them. Her "pruning" led to Dalinar's growth...though still a risk. Her intervention with Taravangian led to his growth, into a shard no less!, but was a risk. She is not risk averse but she doesn't change them into what she wants them to be herself. If Lift is indeed another tool she's unleashed with the hope that it will work out in her favor, she's hoping Lift will grow because of her "pruning" or interference, and doesn't really care what Lift asked for. The interlude confirms that Lift is growing from it, right? She's admitting to Wyndle what she wanted and why she wanted it and how hurt she is about it. She's setting herself up to understand herself better and grow into a stronger person. I think that's pretty consistent with the shard. I'll also concur with other stuff on this thread--Lift's wanting to cultivate others will probably be more attractive to the power than her own change. After all, cultivation is somewhat of a third party thing, to my mind. You cultivate OTHER things, not yourself so much. I wonder if there's a connection here to Wyndle and why he was chosen as her spren (e.g., he was a gardener, of chairs, right?) and the fact that he has not lost his memory as badly like most spren who agree to bond seem to have done when they enter the physical realm.
  9. So, in relation to the "Vyre as Avatar" convo, I am thinking of White Sand (I know, I know, but IT IS CANON, RIGHT): [white sand and mistborn spoilers] This would fit with the definition as we see it now, in some ways. If a human is identified as being particularly important to a shard, they can shape it and invest is as a tool, perhaps, creating an "avatar" of the power. So Vyre is using a word that he doesn't really know what it means (he's just repeating "avatar") where Rayse is thinking of the term as *we* see it, and is like, yeah, no, bro, you're not getting any real powers. ha!
  10. It’s kind of the plot to every Hallmark Holiday Movie: brilliant big city business woman retreats to the country and finds her true calling as wife and mother and small town wedding planner! (Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I want the opposite: she finds that the whole small town really needs her brilliance and she becomes the mayor. Lol
  11. This is exactly it. I totally see it this way. Thank you. I was downright struck by Jasnah when she first appeared on the page. I do not see myself in Jasnah as much as you do; but she resonates as a parallel to so many “brilliant girlbosses” that I know but who don’t get the respect—even grudgingly—that she does. I’m a professor in a pretty male-dominated and masculine cultured part of academia, and have experienced all of the disdain that gets thrown at her, and have connected with so many other women professors who have gone through the same. ill also say that, for me, it’s striking to see a woman just be brilliant and competent and *end up taking charge like everyone knew she should.* there isn’t a moment where she’s caught crying over a man. There isn’t a moment where we find out she’s been raped and all of this is just a cover for her desire to be loved. There isn’t a moment where her intelligence fails her and she needs her merry band of misfits to help her save the day. Or a time where she realizes that she had it wrong the whole time and she was too arrogant to see it but a good hearted scoundrel showed her the way. (Not that I don’t love me a good hearted scoundrel lol.) She’s just her. And that authenticity is really refreshing to me. I haven’t seen as many of her type in fantasy. But even if I had, I’d still enjoy her. And I think the more we get her POV the more I’ll enjoy her. :-)
  12. Hmm. Yes she’s a conundrum, that one. looks like her actual words were: Which doesn’t preclude growth, obviously, but to become a vessel that the power would be attracted to, she’d have to embrace change more than she has thus far for sure. I am very interested in why cultivation gave her the ability to generate life light. Unless it was for this exact moment we saw: for her to stay her; when everything else was going wrong?
  13. In chapter 111, Moash temporarily gets his emotions back. He then says, upon escape: I know there are other threads talking about Moash and his vision, etc., but I want to ask an Odium/Rayse question: if odium is the god of passion/hatred/emotion, why does Rayse keep trying to take emotions away? To numb? He does it with Moash and then tries to do it with Dalinar in OB and also potentially Kal. Isn’t that antithetical to the Intent of the shard? I’m just curious as to how numbing emotions fits with the Intent, and how Odium’s magic would have facilitated such. I have also been wondering if it was this move with Moash that led to the power starting to break away from Rayse, since it would seem a parallelism to a god of Honor encouraging men to break their oaths, which seems...bad?
  14. Yeah I thought oath 4 would be letting people choose to whether they want to be protected, and it was letting go of those you failed to protect. So I’m thinking perhaps the accepting that people sometimes don’t need your protection, or don’t want it, is the last one. if the sky breakers is “become the law” it kind of fits the self awareness idea: trust your judgment. So perhaps it’s the: you have to know when to protect and when to not.
  15. Oh yes anxious! But I was also really engaged in the scientific process with them so very entertained. I was more anxious with the Ishar and Todium subplots though.
  16. This is what I supposed. They didn't know they would "die". They figured they'd return to the Cog realm, pained, but unbonded. They'd be able to discuss it with their fellow spren. But then everything when haywire.
  17. I can agree with the fact that she got realllll lucky. But it made for really exciting reading. lol
  18. So I see your point here, and as Rayse-Odium said: what she did changed everything. But I think the most likely scenario was going to be, Navani failed to figure it out in time, the humans lose the Tower, the Sibling is unmade, and the Radiants lose. Yes, "death" is now permanent in some ways. But Raboniel made a very important point--that they have to produce the light. They have to figure out how to do that. And it's not assured that they have that logistical ability among the Fused. Perhaps this is where the mysterious El comes in, but Rayse didn't exactly stack his army of Fused with scholars and engineers, and they haven't grown and changed since they became Fused, meaning their abilities are limited here. I also think it's uncharitable to say "Navani gave the enemy" that weapon. She gave it to her side too. It's an arms race, yes. And as it is with science, the ethics sometimes post-date the discoveries in very dangerous ways. She needs to reckon with that in Book 5, and I think she's more likely to do that as Bondsmith to the Sibling than if her only point of external wisdom was Perma-Warrior Dalinar.
  19. Navani was not exactly working freely. She used whatever wiles she had to try and save her Tower. She was not JUST discovering and JUST naively trusting--she thought that Raboniel would betray her, though she hoped she wouldn't. She also didn't exactly know what else to do. She knew she was doing something dangerous, but she hoped that her having that knowledge would give her an edge, any edge. She's not a warrior. She's a brilliant woman. So of course she'd think that perhaps knowledge could be the weapon she would wield. She set up traps, trying to kill her. She created something dangerous, and yes, she enjoyed the scientific process. Yes, she was naive. But I read it as being clear that she was using all she had to try and find a way out. Her pride was engaged, yes, but it wasn't the driver. Her discovery, the order and structure of the scientific process, and the goal to free her people--that was the goal. She thought she was constructing a weapon that could kill a god. She, naive to manipulation, thought she could perhaps work upon Raboniel. She could not. But she did try. I much prefer this active engaged Navani, using her own skills to try and do *something* to a Queen who would do nothing or fight a fight she would lose only to leave her people with no hope. Raboniel was such a complex character, even reading it I wanted to believe that she would defect and not betray Navani. So surely I can see how, in her desperation, Navani would want to believe the same.
  20. It's hard to steal magic on Roshar via hemalurgy, as you'd have to spike the human and the spren at the same time (per WOB), so perhaps those are spikes from elsewhere that have different "blessings" to bestow. We also have WOB that Odium wouldn't care about hemalurgy: and So my going theory is that those are spikes from off-world, and might be a reason why the rhythms are forbidden him. My supposition is that Rayse doesn't want the interference, but the shard of Odium doesn't care, and neither will Todium.
  21. Yep. It’s the age old tech truism: you spend so much time thinking about whether you can, that you don’t stop to think about whether you should. I cannot wait to see how this factors into a story about the vast grey-area of morality and ethics.
  22. Strong vote for Moash as champion, then...walking up through every floor in the tower...past Navani. Jasnah. Adolin. Kaladin? Bridge 4? Yeah. That could definitely be a loophole that would work. I don't think we know. I don't think any Shard is "good" in that way. They're all warped by their power, and their Intents. I don't think she can or wants to "control" Taravangian. Wouldn't be very well aligned with her intent, I don't think! But nudge him? GROW him? yeah. I can see that. Maybe she wants changes in all the OG vessels...maybe they ALL need to go, including herself?
  23. Yeah I agree. I don't think Cultivation wants to kill Todium. After all, someone has to hold that power lest it become a tempest--a very dangerous one. I think she cultivated a vessel she sincerely believes can handle it better than Rayse did. Perhaps she's wrong. Or she's miscalculated. Futuresight isn't perfect, after all, and particularly around that much investiture, I'm sure. And I just can't see that many of the original vessels wanting to subsume other shards. Manipulate them, shatter them, sure. But subsume them? I'm just not convinced that's a goal. We haven't seen it happen, I'll say, or evidence that they want it to. I would guess that's one reason they killed Ado in the first place--because it was too much power for one person (and/or just knowledge/experimentation), and the "non interference" pact seems related to that. Notably it seems the vessels who broke that pact are dead. Hmm. Except Cultivation.
  24. I totally understand these views, though I do disagree a bit with this. I agree that the Navani/Sibling bond was forced and unnatural, and not at all as compelling as the Kal/Syl bond, for instance, or Pattern/Shallan, etc. I was uncomfortable with the coercion that occurred, though I think it was less manipulative and more desperate in both of their cases. I do want to push back a bit on the Dalinar/Navani as the "bad side" in their relationships with their spren. What we've seen is that, contrary to what they believe, spren *can* change, particularly via their bonds with humans. We see Syl grow in sentience, but also empathy, etc. The SF's arc in this book was all about Dalinar pushing him to add compassion/mercy to his focus on the honorable path. To show him he has a choice. And Dalinar realizing that sometimes he's right for pushing for that and sometimes he's wrong, with self-awareness as the key to making better choices next time (e.g., when Dalinar knew he would have pushed the SF too far and the SF was right to hold back from him vs. when Dalinar knew he needed to push the SF to intervene with Kal because it was *right*). Same here--the Sibling is rigid and naive. But also scared and worthy of respect merely for existing. Navani and they have fundamental value differences. But that doesn't mean they can't bridge that gap. After all, furthering their bond means they will have to find a way to bridge that gap, if they both want to. Bondsmith spren are different from the other spren we see. They have more autonomy, they are more stubborn and rigid, and they thus will have more of a fight with their human to figure out the right step forward and agree upon it. And I think that's how it should be. Bondsmith powers are the greatest powers, so they should be harder to develop and come by, and there should be a more antagonistic partnership where each entity pushes the other to be better, to think harder, to grow. In some ways its an analogue of Jasnah's desire to somewhat democratize Roshar--councils make better leaders than dictators--even the benevolent ones. And I think that we will see that tension in the Todium clash too--because King T has always felt a dictator was best, and Dalinar fundamentally agrees with that. Dalinar saw the value in Jasnah's words in his final meeting with Rayse, and I think it'll be a point of growth for all of them moving forward.
  25. Perhaps related to her intent? Maybe she's able to control her power better when it's in service of her intent, so, she wants to cultivate and grow the shards, and Odium being stuck for thousands of years, and the planet in a holding pattern means no growth, no cultivation, and thus an unhappy Shard. Alternatively, she might want Odium in the hands of someone less like Rayse, but to be released from the system of Roshar, because of what she has foreseen. Maybe if Odium is focused on other worlds, she can be free to work on Roshar, and/or to set alternative plans in motion. Like, "Yeah, go distract yourself with your conquering, Shard of Passion, Mommy's busy."