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  1. This is my thought too. Brandon has said he wants it to feel like a finished series, but one you want more of, and i feel that means we wll have a satisfying conclusion for at least most of our 5 mains, though it seems likely we will lose some people, I can't see it being grim dark GRRM style. Not for a whole decade+ of waiting. Two thinks to think abut though, for me, are the following WOBs: So now I'm pouring over epigraphs and death rattles haha. But also, what is the theme for Dalinar's flashbacks and how is this this going to be related to what happens plot-wise in Book 5.
  2. About the death rattles, we know that they are likely associated with the stained-glass type future sight, which also predicted that Dalinar would be Odium's champion, so given that the rattles are pre-OB, how accurate do we think they are likely to be, now? I mean, it's not like they're super accurate all the time anyways, but still...
  3. I'm so glad you posted about this! That was one of the main things that stood out to me--it was almost like the early discussions of Universal Design! Teaching that is always an eye-opener for my students, when they start thinking about creating a world, or a workplace, that is universally accessible instead of designing for themselves and making accommodation. Rysn made her world accessible, but not just for herself, it was accessible for everyone, and that's an incredible moment to see on the page. I also think it's a reminder to us about, as you said, *who* often gets the opportunity to write the stories. People like Rysn have existed since the beginning of time--the same ingenuity, fears, hopes, and desires for community. We just so rarely hear their stories. I am glad that Brandon uses these novellas to show us how other characters navigate the worlds he's built. I also agree--Rysn's arc has truly been amazing. In such short screen time, she's captured me.
  4. I hadn't thought about that!! Perhaps. Beryl doesn't describe her time in the camps as traumatic or scary, and specifically contrasts that with some other women. But the prostitute in WoK handled herself calmly in the aftermath too, so maybe it didn't seem too indelible in her memory? With that said, I'd imagine she'd remember Adolin from that moment, he's pretty hard to forget. Maybe that's one of her lies/truths that Shallan doesn't know about her. I re-read the chapter in WoK to see if there are any hints there about how she looked, etc., but seeing as Beryl changes her appearance to suit her suiters, I don't know how much fo that information is reliable. It would be pretty cool if she were, I'll say that.
  5. I just figured it was because every thing we see of Lirin is via Kaladin’s POV. And I feel like if Kal thought Tien was ignored and such by Lirin he wouldn’t have respected his father the way he does, personally. We don’t know anything about what he says to Tien except as reported out by Kal. So I don’t think we can make those assumptions about his feelings without his POVs. I can see why you would interpret it that way; I just read it very very differently.
  6. From what I remember, Lirin did not trust that Roshone *would* have taken care of the people of Hearthstone, and he felt a responsibility for them. And he truly believed that he would bear the brunt of Roshone's hatred, and was fine holding that. He thought in a short time Kaladin would escape to his future, and never at all thought that Tien would be conscripted at that age. Maybe it was shortsighted of him not to truly see the depth of Roshne's depravity. But I wouldn't call it selfish, personally. I also tried to look back for in text evidence that Tien was overlooked by his father. It seemed that he was trying to respect Tien's inability to do the job, not that he resented him or ignored him for it. With that said, I think this is probably a really perfect example of just how differently people can read the same characters, and the same text. And I think that's okay too.
  7. This is an incredibly compelling point, I think. We have seen Kaladin through so very much. We even meet Lirin through his eyes. We know his internal struggles better than any other character, and in some ways, probably better than Kaladin himself even does. I can't imagine ever saying to my kids with Lirin says to Kaladin in RoW. I would consider myself a failure as a parent if I ever did. But that doesn't mean i would *be* a failure as a parent. It means I made a mistake. Lirin made a terrible mistake. But he loved Kaladin throughout his entire life, bore the guilt for his and Tien's deaths for years, knowing he was the reason they went to war. Then his joy is tainted by the knowledge that the boy who couldn't stand to see blood and cried for ever person they lost was a Shardbearer of destruction. Yes, Kaladin kills to protect. But that is antithetical to Lirin's mind. He cannot fathom it. Much as Dalinar cannot fathom Adolin killing Sadeas as "honorable" even though there are spren who would disagree (as per wob). I appreciate that there are people who feel pained by Lirin's behavior here, and I think we should feel that pain. It was a painful experience. But both Kaladin and Lirin grew from it, and I think that's important too.
  8. True. I may have gone a bit far with that. :-) I do think they are fundamentally similar though, and I don't think that Dalinar believes he's being a poor father *now*, so I'll retain that component. There's plenty of want of self-awareness to go around here, that's for sure. I just want to see a similar understanding between Adolin and Dalinar as we just saw between Kal and Lirin so badly.
  9. Dalinar is the same as Lirin lol. He's fundamentally disappointed in his son's life choices and thinks he is treading down a dangerous path devoid of Honor. They're both dogmatic and rigid. Dalinar couldn't even look his sons in the eyes and admit he killed their mom. Look, I love me some Dalinar, but good dad he is not. Yet. Let's see if he can fix his relationship with Adolin in Book 5.
  10. So I tried to look at the final terms they agreed upon and look for the loophole. I thought perhaps it was the "10th day of the month Palah, tenth hour." It does NOT say which month Palah, right? Perhaps Todium decides to put it off because he DOESN'T feel the need to have a battle of champions like Rayse did so quickly? A willing champion: It doesn't say a champion can't be insane or tricked, so perhaps Todium tricks Ishar into being his champion, willingly of course, since Ishar thinks Dalinar's on the *OTHER* side, and you get chained Bondsmith vs. unchained Bondsmith. An immortal champion. If Dalinar dies first, he loses. So choose a champion who cannot be killed in the normal way, say, a Sleepless? Or perhaps "El" his Fused? The catch here will be either Dalinar will become Todium's "property" forevermore, or Navani will need to poof away his soul with some anti-light right quick when that happens. Just saying...
  11. I love this analysis, thank you. I think Lirin is only getting the hate he is because so for so many, Kaladin is their favorite and even their avatar in this series. Perhaps I can see this connection more because Kaladin isn't my favorite character and so I am not wrapped up so much in his emotions. Lirin made mistakes in how he interacted with his son. He acted poorly. But Kaladin also made mistakes. And this book really showed them doing the work to be less stubborn and dogmatic and more understanding of one another, while also not compromising their own principles. It was really well done, I think. In fact, Dalinar could learn a lot from Lirin here in how he accepts Adolin. Because if you want to talk about bad fathers...
  12. See, I see what you just said as growth. He was more vain and shallow, he grew to be deeper and committed. He was first worried about Dalinar's sanity as a reflection of Alethi might, now he sees his father more clearly and the problems with the "way Alethi do things" more clearly. His murder of Sadeas isn't swept under the rug, he owns it, doesn't regret it, and it still is the reason that Dalinar is disappointed in him. He actually is worried Adolin is going to become Taravangian! Adolin gets screen time mostly, up until now, because we see him through the eyes of the mains. He's a bridge to them all. He sees them. He is a *good person* and that alone is interesting in its way, for me. Also, him chafing up against his desire to support Shallan and his need to prove to his father that he's not a disappointment ended up driving much of the B plot in this book, which was a pretty important arc. I do appreciate that other people feel that it's boring. Everyone has a right to what they like! (Like for instance, this being the first book that I was truly affected by Kaladin's arc when I wasn't nearly as captivated by it in other books--I often skip Bridge 4 sections on re-reads--and loving Shallan's arc all the way through, and being really irritated by the fact that DALINAR IS A HORRIBLE FATHER but is supposed to be the savior of the world el oh el.) And perhaps, as I said above, it's somewhat projection, but let's play a little mental exercise: are we saying that if, say, I have my life "together": have a great job, and a loving family, and am supportive of others and happy and generous that I have no growth left? That my story is no longer interesting? Perhaps growth is not always about slaying internal demons, but connections with others and reaction to future conflicts as well. I think his "learning to cope with the expectations of his father" is probably the biggest issue here that you lay as minor, but which is certainly something Dalinar MUST confront. How do you progress as a bondsmiith if you can't own up to your failures in connecting with your only son? How can you save the world if you can't accept him? And how can Adolin learn to be his own person while standing in such a shadow? I see that as infinitely exciting.
  13. @Feather I agree SO HARD on the GB/ thing. SO HARD. Just saying. And @Comatose I should have watched this before I commented on a recent thread about the similarities between Dalinar/Adolin and Lirin/Kaladin. We are also simpatico on this. haha
  14. @TheHidelSubldies I totally agree with some of this—I want to see his internal narrative more. But I also feel that way about Jasnah, Szeth, Lift, Renarin, etc. Adolin is in our narrative more often because of his proximity to two mains, Dalinar and Shallan, but I don’t think that means he hasn’t been dealing with his issues, just that Brandon hasn’t saw fit to show that journey because there are others to show. I think the clues are there when, and if, he decides to do so. I also think it’s not clear that he’s avoiding and repressing like, say, Shallan does. He should definitely address Dalinar directly, and I’d love to see that be part of Dalinar’s possible leveling up in book 5–he has to connect with his son and handle his own house before trying to save the world. For example, the scene in part 1 where Adolin and Dalinar and crew are in the strategizing meeting, when Adolin is indeed acting petulant, where Shallan intercedes. Shallan knows how he feels. It seems they talk about almost everything. He’s not dissociating, just being selective with what he shares with whom. So even if he’s not telling Dalinar how he feels, or he’s “shoving down the seething knot” that doesn’t mean he’s not emotionally stable about it, it just means he doesn’t want to deal with it right then. He’s aware of his emotions and aware of why he feels the way he does. He also knows the consequences for bringing it up at that moment. Being self aware doesn’t mean you don’t feel things or make mistakes, but it does mean you can often deal with those issues as they arrive because you aren’t trying to lie to yourself. I think, as per Navani, Shallan is as good for Adolin as he is for her, because he’s learned to be his own man, whatever that means. with that said, I’m more concerned with how poorly Dalinar treats Adolin and how little he has sought to rectify and connect with Adolin in the intervening year. Dalinar may have grown in his own self awareness but he has not tried to “unite” himself with his own son, he didn’t even tell them about Evi himself! if you ask me, Dalinar’s inability to move forwards with his powers is precisely because of this. ETA: just dawned on me how in some ways Dalinar is acting like Lirin here, trying to make his son act in accordance with his goals and values; being disappointed in him, treating him with disdain. It’s funny how who we identify with changes our perceptions I think.
  15. I’ve seen this opinion a lot, and I appreciate that it’s a common one in the fandom. My favorite Adolin-hater friend will surely be along shortly to tell me all the ways I’m wrong, I’m sure. ;-) But I read him with more depth and nuance than many seem to, perhaps because his colors are in more muted shades than our main characters. There’s subtext, and fewer viewpoints, and we are often seeing him through the eyes of our (often struggling) main cast. We see him in Dalinar’s flashbacks as the perfect, eager son. We don’t see his feelings dealing with his mother’s death or his angry, alcoholic father. We see him in WoR via Shallan as a perfect Adonis with the perfect life. We see him via Kal’s eyes as the spoiled lordling with no sense of how the masses struggle. But in the moments we read his POVs, I read the insecurity and jealousy in them, almost from the beginning. Polishing Maya before his duels in WoR he talks about how little people expect of him and how hard it is to live in his fathers shadow, all while never letting himself resent Dalinar. His anger at Sadeas and his betrayal. His fear in Shadesmar and his emotions during the battle at Thaylan Fields. And he was downright resentful toward Dalinar in RoW—and set out to prove himself in a way that almost got himself imprisoned. And yet, yes, he is emotionally stable, and agreeable, and conscientious. But as I’ve said in other threads on this, I feel like still waters often run deep, and I read the Adolin chapters with more shades of gray than many do, apparently. Perhaps it’s because I’m used to the similar reactions from others, even close friends!, who think my life is perfect when it is decidedly not. As my fav Adolin-hating poster here said once, “Bliev, you’re projecting.” Perhaps. But we all read them through our own lenses. And I certainly identify. on topic, though, I don’t think we will see Adolin the radiant, because Adolin is a committed man, and Maya is his choice. And I’m not sure if she’d be able to bond again in that way, or if Adolin would ever push her to do so, even if she could.