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I found a newer listing in the public record under the Dragonsteel LLC name: https://www.utahcounty.gov/LandRecords/property.asp?av_serial=543360001001 It is a little over 6 acres located next to Evermore Park in Pleasant Grove Utah. This is also close to their warehouse so I’m willing to guess this is a likely candidate for the newly announced Dragonsteel HQ and event center.

I have been thinking about this idea more and more recently. I think there is definitely merit to but I am always hesitant about it. For me a big hang up was how little Gav would agree to be the champion. I don’t buy that he would just do it for the “gift of silence” or because he agreed with Odiums ideals. HOWEVER if Odium (now Taravangian) were to offer Moash up to Gavinor somehow I could see the young boy jumping to that agreement to avenge his fathers death. All that being said, I could see Brandon going several other ways with this too, and this theory still has a few other hang ups for me. Overall, it’s a very plausible direction.

I like this idea. It fits with the idea I had that her first spren turns into the soul caster her father was using.

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Does anyone know if ordering the Rythm of war swag pack through the website will allow you to access the online release party? The website wasn’t clear about that.

I think the lack of trust in the honorspren has something to do with Honor being dead. I can see the secret pen pal being a lot of different “people.” I am leaning towards it not being of Odium though. If I had to guess i would say the warning is coming from cultivation or something related to her because of the way the talk about not trusting honorspren anymore (as if they had in the past). The big change I see is Honors death.

Yeah, I don't think we know enough one way or the other to tell if Shallan is on this specific mission or not. I can see it going both ways. We know she goes to shadesmar but we don't know exactly when. We don't know how long they are in Hearthstone, but my guess is not very long after chapter 8 if Moash is captured.

This is the only reason I haven't put him as number 1 worst yet. There is a small chance that he's not as bad as this prologue paints him. I do find that very unlikely though, especially by the way he was talking about Elhokar and Dalinar. I saw that as his ugliness coming out rather than trying to push anyone away specifically. Gavilar is still an unknown but there is definitely potential there for being the worst. Also, that whole section about living forever.... creepy. It is very ominous to me. That part does not read as him trying to push Navani away.

Sadeas is the worst right now to me because he killed thousands of his own allies (and would have had even more killed if he had his way) on the battlefield to gain power. I don't really care that he never pretended to be a good guy or that he claimed to have a purpose for it. To me, this act alone is worse than anything we have seen Amaram, Moash, or even Gavilar do so far (and this isn't even counting Sadeas' horrible treatment of the bridge crews). I personally consider the act of betrayal against Dalinar to be worse than any lie Amaram has told yet. That being said, there is still plenty of room for Gavilar or Moash to change my opinion. In fact, I fully expect to learn more that will change my mind. However, I don't expect to hate Amaram the most. Don't get me wrong, I do hate him and am glad to see him dead. But he is not the worst to me based on what we have seen so far.

I have it as Sadeas right now, but I can easily see Gavilar taking the cake by the end of this.

While I totally agree with this, there is at least one case where cognitive shadows don’t really have much choice in the matter. This whole prologue came off very ominous to me, and I couldn’t help feel like we are seeing Gavilar again somehow. It may not happen, but I’m getting some serious vibes here. I also can’t help but feel that Navani won’t be the only one to know this side of Gavilar. Maybe he doesn’t come back, but something is going to happen.

Do you mean if he would have pushed through her screaming? Because Adolin does try to summon it, but I believe she just starts screaming so he stops. Kaladin and Shallan do not use their blades. IIRC, they don’t even try to summon them, but I remember having the impression that they wouldn’t have been able to. There might even be a WoB about this but I can’t quite recall it.

I guess this is kind of the point I’m trying to make. The act of becoming plate is causing their sense of purpose and abilities to change. I am very curious to see how the dead plate spren look in the cognitive realm. Also, this discussion had me thinking about nightblood and azures sword. They are attempts to replicate Shardblades. It would be cool to see if someone tried to awaken armor to replicate Shardplate. Also, on a bit of a tangent, would silver armor protect you from nightblood?

I totally agree with this. I am not saying that living plate is like the dead plate. I am just trying to account for the fact that the spren in dead plate have a very different attitude about their states than the dead blades. This could very well be that plate spren are not as sapient, but it feels like some type of change must occur to make it so that all the different types of lesser spren would be content as a dead plate. It is harder to imagine that windspren would be content to be trapped as a dead plate. I'm not saying its not possible, but there is a concern there. This could very well be how it works. Wherever you usually find the spren that make plate, they are likely called in a similar fashion as the shard blade. If this is the case, then I wonder why they havent figured out a way to summon and dismiss the plate as they do with the blade. Is it because the bond for plate works through the now-dead spren? Oh, another question that came to me is if Adolin finds a way to revive Maya, will he then be able to summon the plate? will they also be revived? This is very true, too. I guess I view the ability for spren to become a blade as a change that results from the bond. We see the spren change as the bond deepens, so in my mind I see something similar happening with the lesser spren, but maybe not to the same extant.

I do like the idea of some type of spren merger to create a new spren. That would explain the difference between a half shard and shard plate. In fact, it gives new meaning to the term half-shard. The half shard traps the spren that gives things substance.

After reading the Syl interlude and the discussions about it, I have been coming up with a tentative theory about how spren are involved in making Shardplate. I propose that lesser spren are attracted to the bonds between the radiants and their spren, and when the fourth ideal is said they enter into the bond somehow (possibly through the sapient spren). This bond then changes the nature of the lesser spren. Here are some of the things that has led me to this theory. From the Syl interlude, we can read her thoughts on the Shardplate: “It was pretty. Maybe Syl should have hated it, as she did Shardblades, but she didn’t. It was kind of a corpse—well, lots of corpses—but not as offensive. The difference, she supposed, was attitude. She could sense contentment, not pain, from the Plate.” This quote supports the idea that lesser spren help form plate, but it also causes some issues. In Oathbringer, we see examples of some of these “cousin” spren being attracted to Kaladin and Dalinar at key points. The theory I see most often is that these spren become plate. However, some have rightfully questioned if a windspren (and what we know about its nature) would be content to stay trapped as a Shardplate. There is also the issue of not being able to see the spren after they have become plate. There are two possible solutions I came up with that could account for this. 1. The spren that become plate are ones we have not seen yet. They are a unique spren that would be content as plate. They would also likely be the same spren that half-shards capture to create the ability to block a Shardblade. This idea could very well work, but it would not require the involvement of cousin spren (which some evidence supports). 2. The other idea is that the lesser spren (such as windspren), change in nature when they enter the bond. We can Syl and Pattern change overtime as their bond with a surgebinder deepens. Admittedly it is not exactly the same thing, seeing as they are not content to stay as blades. However, we see that Wyndle is willing to become a blade when needed, even if it goes against his nature to not want to kill. I think the bonding has the ability to change the spren. I believe this is part of the reason the Stormfather and Dalinar do not want to enhance or strengthen Syl’s bond in the same interlude. Another thing that has bugged me about spren becoming plate is the idea that a windspren could block a Shardblade when we see Syl kill a spren in Oathbringer. True this could have just been because the spren was of Odium, but I get the impression that spren themselves are not completely able to block a blade. If something about the spren changes during the process, however, this could explain how it is able to do so. This is why I lean toward this explanation. The idea that Spren change when they become plate could explain why we do not see them floating around in any examples of people that already have it. It could also explain how spren would be content to stay as plate. I am not sure how well this theory will hold up, but I think it is a good starting point. This still leaves me with questions about how the spren would be bonded. Is it with the surgebinder somehow, or would it be through the sapient spren? Syl mentioned having children, which makes me lean towards the idea that bond could possibly be hers. Also, if they did agree to let Syl enhance her bond, is that something we have seen before? What exactly would happen? And if cousin spren do change to form plate, then what the heck makes a half-shard? Is it transformed plate spren, or is it something else entirely? I would love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this.

I don't completely ship it, but I'm not against it potentially happening. I don't know why, but the idea of Syl trying to change the nature of her bond to understand and help Kaladin better gave me total Queen Tsa vibes for some reason. I couldn't help but feel that Syl is wanting to do something new with the bond in this chapter, we just don't know exactly what that entails. Is it something that has never been done before?

I always had the impression that Shallan tapped into the spiritual realm when she sketches. The scene in which she sketches Yalb surviving the shipwreck and Shalash destroying a sculpture hint at this. If there is a resemblance between the sketch and that final scene, couldn’t it just be that Shallan’s sketch tapped into that moment a bit?

The thought I had while listening is I wouldn’t be surprised if Ialai tries to assassinate Adolin in revenge.

The worst would be bridge 4 pre-kaladin as a post Reod Elantrian

This quote actually reminds me of the moment when Kaladin and his Dad have to give up on Rillir and focus on healing Roshone. I could see Kaladin having to face a similar situation where he has to do a "triage assessment" of those he can protect. This being an oath could go with that. I also like the idea of it hving more to do with leadership. I can't wait to see which direction it goes.

This is how I read that passage. The stoneward used cohesion to soften the stone and tension to harden it again so it could be stepped on. So technically the Stormfather would be correct in saying that tension is used in changing the stone, and that it would work differently for Dalinar.

I have thought about that at first, but Spook seemed to get the full powers of pewter through his spike even though it was just a small shard of the original weapon. Listening to this episode has left me feeling like hemalurgy is not as intuitive as I thought, especially when looking at the importance of positioning the spike.

This has probably been discussed or answered somewhere, but what happens when you take a spike and split it into two before spiking the recipient? So for an example, when spook gets spiked by the shard of metal that gets stuck in his body, could the remainder of the sword still have been used to spike someone or did spook basically use the power up when he was spiked? If you split a spike from one donor and attempt to spike two recipients, what would happen? My guess is that both shards of a split spike have the potential to transfer powers until whichever one spikes a recipient first (kind of like a schrodinger's cat situation). What are your thoughts?

Ok I don’t think this is likely at all, but it is technically possible... We know from a WoB that the night watcher does have the power to change a beings species. This would of course break the bond between her and Kal. But, if he becomes a herald that bind might break anyways... Ok that was fun to think about for a minute.