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  1. Adding to the above: -Tress, chapter 39 ¤_¤
  2. As Hoid's narration notes: -Tress, chapter 64 Even if it's not a huge threat, it's probably a large enough threat that he'd not wish to confront her. Now, I think that a sufficiently skilled/intelligent and prepared Elantrian is one of the most dangerous opponents you could face, wholly apart from the Awakened soldiers and Midnight Essence she also commands. I think the simple explanation that it's pre-Awakened might be correct, like Vasher's "upon call"-Commands. Either that or vague dragon magic (or whatever it is that creates the structure and the corridor down.) The message is noted as being in a particular container, which I imagine might be significant. -Tress, chapter 50 I'd assume that he's got something, a device, an "enchantment" (like something Aonic) or something set up to detect objects within certain specified parameters. Whatever the mechanism is, it then alerts him of a hit. I don't think that he's actively dedicating power and concentration to this. I could imagine that some people offer themselves in exchange for a boon for someone else, in addition to people being enslaved forcefully. We also don't know how many 'servants' he actually needs, so the population might not need topping up very often, and he indicates that they don't suffer from disease. Tress, chapter 52 So they should have longer lives, on average. Also, depending on exactly what the situation is, some of them might breed. The tablet he might have made, assuming it's an Awakened device. Ann's prescription, magic of some variety, combined with enough knowledge. Salay's father... who the heck knows... Invested tech that we don't get to look at because it's not that kind of story? Something analogous to whatever's keeping tabs on his part of the ocean? See what I quoted earlier, he might just not want to take the gamble. Seems to be a bit like why you don't see Antarctic researchers very often, or the hermit halfway up the mountain, it's a hassle to get there. Also, there might not be that many of them. I don't think we know enough to say, the closest we see, outside of bargaining with a dragon, is debt slavery. People in debtors' prisons can be pressed into service, but not a word about being sold. Also, even if they do have slave markets, who would he send to buy slaves? The ones he has aren't allowed in the hallway when the door is open, so that they won't get any silly ideas about the outside world. ¤_¤
  3. Yes, they are propelled by Steelpushing, but they don't push off grounded anchors, as far as we know. The Wilg in Bands uses a Push to launch and to drive the fans and, beyond the additional machinery required to cheat the physics for something so massive, we have no reason to suspect that the proper airships work under other principles. -BoM, chapter 21 -BoM, chapter 21 This pretty clearly indicates that while a Push is a viable method of launch, what gives lift once you're in the air is the fan. -BoM, chapter 21 And here we see that propulsion is also via fans, not (directly) Pushes. -BoM, chapter 31 (Quote slightly inaccurate, my browser is not allowing me to bold or itallicise, "half" should be in itallics.) -tLM, chapter 7 All this suggests that all known southern designs are moved with the fans, not Steelpushes. Pushes appear to power the fans, but don't seem to be directly involved in moving the ships. Such a design would also be highly irresponsible, as the ships would have to periodically drop new Allomantic anchors onto an unsuspecting surface, possibly with people on it. It also would not work over deep water, because the anchors would sink out of reach and it would require ships to carry extra metal, which could be a significant weight, unless they can also lessen the weight of cargo. -tLM, chapter 40 Assuming that Kelsier is on an airship that follows the same principle as every airship we've seen on "screen" and not a totally different model that works on direct Pushes, the above definitely implies that he has access to travel by Steelpush, be that under his own power, via an ettmetal powered harness or just strapped to a coinshot. To me it definitely reads as "traveling by Steelpush, which is an alternative I have, would be faster than the airship, but there happens to be an ocean, so that's not viable." Ideally none of them are, that seems to be something that you use a primer cube for, so long as you're not out of ettmetal. I agree with you on this. It's a lie by omission to the reader, implying (and reinforcing what we seemingly learned in BoM) that Kelsier is still an Allomancer. However, we don't know what his agents know, he might be keeping them in the dark or they might know that he has some means of accessing it outside his own powers, we only know that they don't contradict him on it. I have a few ideas: At times he seems similar to how Leras was close to when he died, not capable of much. Wax has to tell him to act himself, not just arrange the pieces and hope they move as he wants. There's probably some disconnect between the Vessel and the Shard(s), like we've seen in Stormlight. The person wants one thing, the power(s) another. He probably still cares about Kelsier, as a person due to the connection between Sazed and Kell, as a splinter (or something like it) and sliver of Preservation, through his Connection to Ruin. He probably does not want to oppose Kelsier or be opposed by him. We also know that the Ruin/Preservation imbalance that allowed Ruin to become more powerful in the past isn't fixed, and will probably only get worse as Scadrial's population grows. That bodes ill. Then Sazed is being shaped by two opposed Intents, which I wouldn't be suprised if it takes a larger/quicker toll on the Vessel than a standard Shard. Because of the conflicting Intents he can barely act already, so it might be hard to do that kind of planning. Add to the above that he's protecting Scadrial, which may or may not mean that Ruin is chomping at the bit the entire way. And on the Intents, it can be hard for him to act without fighting either Intent, so the power might not be held as well as it could be. It wouldn't be strange if he's also afraid of showing weakness at the moment, so he tries to hide it. All of this to say that even if he admits that something is happening to him and he wants to stop it, he might not be able, or nearly so, to plan against it. Also, he might not want to admit weakness to Kelsier in particular, because he might get ideas. There's also this bit from the Ars Arcanum that is quite distressing: -tLM, Ars Arcanum To me that sounds capital B Bad. That seems fundamentally wrong and reads as a very bad sign. With all the little mentions of Harmony being erratic or the shadow behind him or whatever, from several sources, and the above, it seems the balance of Harmony is very much unstable and possibly not even really there. Apologies if this is all too wordy or hard to follow. ¤_¤
  4. Presumably they didn't keep the main well closed forever, so she would have simply gotten out when they removed the lid.
  5. It bothers me that everything in Era 2 ties back to Trell. Nothing in Miles' pov implies that he didn't pick up Trellism independently, but then it turns out that he picked it up from the Set they are Trell people too, making it not just zealotry from Miles. ¤_¤
  6. Apologies if this is out of line, but you might want to consider pinning this thread?
  7. Entirely to toot my own horn: It definitely has some discussion on the topic. ¤_¤
  8. There's always the hacky solution of "energy is siphoned into the Spiritual," the eternal crutch for fudging cosmere physics. I'm not saying that is the case here, mind, but that it's a possible solution. I suppose the likeliest explanation is that Brandon got the physics wrong, given the answer. However, the Blade should still be cold, ergo condensation should happen, even if we don't know what happens to the rest of the physics. ¤_¤
  9. Why? Does it have to involve Intent? Is the effect triggered or always on? How is this different from Fabrials? Presumably the "right metals" would be the sixteen. I don't think valour is the same as endangering the self needlessly, which reads more like idiocy to me. Gambling with your extremities just seems like a bad idea. Can anyone actually become proficient in this without a high cost of human life and suffering? So if you get it wrong you risk increasing their agony for no reward? Why? What kind of effect? Can they choose to move on? Are they bound to the spike/body? Is the body preserved or does the magic have a shelf life? Does being able to interact with the CS follow from witnessing the effect when produced or from entering its area of effect? If the CS is anchored to the spike and can't move on of their own accord, this is a very cruel thing to do. If the effect is permanent (body preserved), the CS can also enjoy such things as everyone they loved dying and their home crumbling, in addition to the mental strain and Intent warping that CS:s experience eventually. I don't like it. "Lolrandom" chaos for the sake of chaos isn't fun. I feel like the Shards should have some underlying, immutable nature, Preservation is always Preservation, Valor is always Valor, Whimsy is always Whimsy. I'd rather see something like a broad-spectrum system, power is always drawn, but the exact way it manifests has variance. So, if we use A-pewter as a base, the exact physical enhancements could vary, like getting more speed and less strength, but the same attributes would be affected each time. I could also see a system stemming from Whimsy as feeling unfinished, something like if Feruchemy had physical speed and memory, but not mental speed and strength. I would also like to say, as someone with both ADHD and BPD, that each fancy is a concrete thing in the moment. I'd rather extrapolate that each system emanating from Whimsy is stable and concrete, but that there's very little consistency between the systems. I also feel that just touching metal would be a far too easy way to access Investiture. That's also a question, do the metals burn off in any of these systems? Isn't this basically AonDor? That sounds needlessly restrictive, to the tune of "sorry, we can't help you, R&D hasn't figured out a new healing spell yet." You also have no room to experiment, as each new design that works is instantly used up the moment you draw it. How is enemy defined? What happens if you do this and the person survives? Why would providing them peace turn them into a CS? Is turning them into a CS not an effect? Why do you get to dictate someone else's emotional state? Is their emotional state permanently altered? That's a high bar to entry, especially as you have to put it all together before they pass into the Beyond. Also, making someone a CS without their consent isn't merciful. This sounds like the ruins and artefacts are generated by the magic, rather than being extant. I'm getting strong D&D random sidequest vibes. What determines the symbols? Shouldn't symbols from a different civilisation have their own power, rather than gain new powers from being Indiana Jonesed? I don't think that would work. How does the Cognitive aspect of the object become a spren? What ramifications does this have for the object? What decides if something is interesting? What happens if the thing you make is a standard fabrial? I feel like a bead could not be taken from the Cognitive to the Physical, or that managing that would do something funky. Also, a change in the Physical isn't immediately reflected in the Cognitive. Building a wall won't instantly cause the stones to stop being individual beads in the Cognitive. The reverse is also true, see Dalinar "healing" the statue in Oathbringer. So the object probably wouldn't be "a thing" at the point of creation. What does power mean? Where does the power come from? Is there a maximum effective range? What happens if you make something like a really good chair? How would powering it and controlling it affect it? I don't like this, Gravitation isn't actually flight. Would a badly tuned music box, or one playing an ear-worm, let you Riot? I get that this is probably based on the concept of sharing ideas, but I don't really like it. I think any time someone speaks directly into another's mind, there's a Connection between them, so I'm curious how this works mechanically. I mean, this is basically the Nahel bond. I think it's too similar. Who judges these qualities? Is there any margin for error, or is being human enough to guarantee that the bond will break at some point? Does the bond breaking hurt the spren? I wouldn't be suprised if "knowledgespren" or "learningspren" or "informationspren" or "scholarspren" or somesuch weren't a thing already. What does "know" mean in this case? Does the spren understand what it means or does it know the words? How is "learn" defined? Do you have to memorise every word and illustration? Do you have to understand the contents? What happens if the text has room for interpretation? Depending on what "remember" means here, storing memories seems like a very risky prospect. Not only could you break the bond by storing your memory of what's in the book, but any stored memory should be impossible to retrieve if the bond breaks at all. What's the power source? Is visualisation necessary? If so, does trying to do the thing, but not as the commander thought it would be done, not work? What happens if people are ordered to do something physically impossible, like fly under their own power? Is trying to stop the enemy not pretty much an implicit command on the battlefield? Is there an upper bound or time limit? Is colour drained? I apologise if I come off as stand-offish, I find things I disagree with engaging. ¤_¤
  10. Yeah, I'm perfectly willing to accept that it signifies a parent-child relationship. Or master-apprentice. Or probably both intertwined. This is fair. I shouldn't be suprised at the person who dissected Ba-Ado-Mishram also hitting on this. Yes, I definitely think that babsk shares a root. Heh, I keep having to adjust my pronounciation of Stormlight words based on realisations like this. In this case bah-bsk, rather than bab-sk. I'd assume, based on this and rebsk, that the "bsk" morpheme means something along the lines of possesor, owner, master. Sidenote, I love how this thread has gone from the nature of the Unmade, Fused and Voidbinding, and theorising on the motivation and capabilities of Rayse/Odium, to discussing Vorin linguistics. I may have a huge inability to drop interesting lines of thought. Thank you! This is so helpful. I think something like Central Vorin vowel shift is accurate then, including West Vorin and East Vorin, but not North or South Vorin. Hmm, possible. I feel like there has to have been some drift in "Mishim" as well, be it spelling or sound, because otherwise giving it as "Mishim" and not "Cultivation" feels like an unfair withholding of information. I also find the "rebranding" of a moon strange. I'm not saying you're wrong, mind, but that it feels like something that would "fossilize" linguistically. Like how several days of the week in English still refer to Germanic gods. Though I suppose it might have been a similar thing to how the reading of "YHWH" (יהוה) was lost. IIRC, only the Kohen Gadol (Jewish high priest) was allowed to speak it, but only under very specific circumstances. When texts were read aloud, "YHWH" was substituted with "adonai" (אֲדוֹנָי), meaning lord. One snag in this is of course that people seem to have no problem saying either "honor" or "Honor." A possible explanation might be how the language and religion has drifted. Nobody seems to automatically equate "Honor" and "Almighty," so any taboo around speaking the word "merem" might have been abandoned as the religion evolved, but not before people had started substituting the name of the moon. Wouldn't it just? Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me. I can believe Odium ordering one to be subordinate to another for specific operations, like Thaylen City or Urithiru, but not that there's a rigid chain of command. I'd also guess that they are generally outside the chain of command of Odium's forces. Mishram might be a competent enough strategist/tactician to be given a local command, but I don't think she'd be appointed supreme commander. I'd say they probably fall somewhere between commando units and superweapons. (Ashertmarn was enough to severely undermine a major city, for example.) ¤_¤
  11. If everything posited before is true, probably yes. Pretty sure the spark of Preservation in Scadrian humanity is already doing that. And I don't think Nightblood burns through anywhere near enough Investiture to make a noticable difference. It'd probably be like pouring a glass of salt water into a lake. Or, more accurately, a brackish sea I guess. Why would this happen because of an imbalance? Is that not just a different interpretation of two diametrically opposed powers? The interpretation of Harmony is both in balance, or something like that, no? If one were to see them as irreconcialable, one may end up with something like Discord, or Volatility, or Chaos. I see that as simply being stuck between two powers that want fundamentally different things. Acting in accordance with one is in direct opposition to the other. Remember how Leras couldn't slash Elend? How he felt a backlash even though he wasn't the one to bring the knife down? Sazed presumably has to deal with a similar thing whenever he tries to do basically anything, each power strains against that which goes against its Intent. ¤_¤
  12. I'll quibble child of the Lights of Honor and Cultivation. Child of Honor and Cultivation, yes. Child of the Lights, unknown. AFAIK, we don't actually know that 1), bah means child, 2), the Ba in BAM is related to the Thaylen bah. We have the data point of Rysn bah-Vstim, but nothing else. We also know the Alethi for "child of," the particle -()en, presumably. Seen in "child of peace," Oro(d)en. Based on the fact that Adolin and Kaladin are Adoda and Kalak, respectively, plus "born unto," given as -in, but both add a different sound between the base word and the ending. Therefore Ado(l)in and Kala(d)in, and I'm assuming that this is generally true for ending particles. Alethi and Thaylen end up with very different words if both of these mean "child of." Now, Alethi and Thaylen aren't closely related, and I will concede that the proto-Vorin word could be something like *ba(h)n, given that Alethi is built to be Semitic, which means that the rest of the Vorin languages also should be. Basing it on the Hebrew "Ben-" (בן) and Arabic "ibn" (ابن). If this is close to accurate, Alethi and Thaylen diverge before the Alethi vowel shift (Central Vorin vowel shift? Somebody ask Brandon if Veden also has the a->e shift.) In any case, we don't have enough information to make the declarative statement that this is 100% true. Yes. Just as in Adolin and Zeradoreh (Stormlight). Presumably also something like "Javadovah" for Lifelight. Yes. Though that makes me wonder, if Mishim is providing the meaning of Cultivation, why doesn't Nomon line up with "maram" in any way? I disagree, I don't think we have enough data to say for sure. This I agree with, she might even be a spren like the Stormfather, one that wasn't really created. This is exactly what I'm getting at, we don't know that Mythica is basing this on anything more than the False Desolation. Yes, that is reasonable. I just don't think Mythica can be counted as an entirely reliable source. Makes me wonder about how much of a hierarchy there is among the Unmade. They generally seem to not act within the command structure of Odium's forces. Definitely had a large effect on Spren. Yes, but I think that this is entirely a result of the backlash of the sealing, not an active part of her power set. And I think that her sealing's effect on the Sibling isn't separate from its effect on other spren. ¤_¤
  13. Oh, it's been too long since this has been on my mind. I can't recall my exact thoughts at the time, but here goes. Hmm, this makes sense. Progression has been shown to not just heal, but make things grow. If indeed Voidbinding generally exists in the gaps of Surgebinding, then a Voidish expression of Progression should show more Cognitive/Spiritual manifestations, compared to the generally Physical manifestations of Surgebinding. This could explain how Sja-anat is able to alter Cognitive beings. Though Renarin throws a wrench into this understanding. While his usage of Progression seems to pull toward the Spiritual in a notable way, it still heals normally on top of that. Then again, we've never seen Sja-anat Elighten a spren in detail. Of course, Sja-anat has access to more Investiture than Renarin, and she has more experience with her powers. Hmm, I don't know if I've mentioned it in this thread, but I did have a theory a while back that the Unmade line up with the attributes taken to an unhealthy extreme. Add to this a thought I had while going through this (which I will credit to how much Persona I've been playing lately), the attributes aren't opposites in the Unmade, they are "reversed." The same idea in a negative direction. Funnily enough, Sja-anat lines up with Wise and Careful, but corrupted Loving and Healing. (Though how corrupted Loving is is up for debate.) She's careful to not be found out in her game of 5d chess with Rayse and very self-reflective (ha!). She however "heals" unasked for and loves the outcast that she made that way. She's also incredibly cold and calculating when she needs to be, what with the whole sacrificing some children so others may live. This whole thing is very interesting, and can probably be connected to this WoB as well: The spren that show up in the Physical as reflected light are the ones that are most amenable to Sja-anat. Oddly mistspren are one order over from this placement of Sja-anat though. Light does seem to be an overarching theme here in any case. Interestingly, Enlightened mistspren take the form of a crystal instead, changing their relationship to light. I don't think there's much to this, no other Enlightened spren are described as crystalline, IIRC. Eh, I'm not so sure about this. I'm pretty sure that the Unmade generally go where Odium wants them. Yelig-Nar, Sja-anat and Ashertmarn are all in Kholinar at the time. I'm not inclined to ascribe too much to the connections on the charts, beyond the general connection to the pre- and succeding orders. And this thing: Which is already kinda tenuous. And now I wonder how much of Renarin's weirdness is Truthwatcher, how much is an Enlightened spren and how much is both. Anyway... Makes sense. Both brave and obedient are twisted or broken here. Brave, as you've noted, in that the Thrill makes you fearless rather than brave. Obedient in that, well, berserker rage. Discipline and order is broken entirely. This doesn't entirely fit with my idea of the attributes being negative versions of themselves, but hey. Hmm. I don't agree with that, I think it's just a representation of battle/fighting. Yep, full agreement on Moelach. Yep Heh, neat. I'd not put too much stock in the body focuses, but maybe there's something there. That makes an odd amount of sense. I don't see it. So it seems. I think we can look at it as similar to Moelach, the Surges are basically trust upon you, it's not something you come into over time, ie. it's not built up, you're just saddled with the power without learning to use it. Similarly, you don't become resolute by building (heh) yourself up. You become resolute or you die, which honestly reminds me of psychological trauma. Again, I disagree with this. In this case, multiple parts of Rayse's plan hinges on Nergaoul's influence, and Yelig-Nar is held in a gemstone and granted to Amaram as a reward. Both of them are there because Rayse wants them there. Given what I said above, I think this is pretty tenuous. I find "Odium wanted them there" to be a more plausible and elegant explanation. Agree I agree on the connection. Countersurge, good word. These I find to be very tenuous, if the Unmade indeed align/misalign with the attributes, I'd connect them to the nature of the given Unmade. We haven't seen anything that we know is of Chemoarish, so I don't think we can speculate on how the attributes relate to her. It seems out of place that the attributes would apply to the lore surrounding the Unmade, rather than the Unmade itself. So it does. As explained above, I don't think the attributes can be connected to the lore around the Ummade. We also basically don't know anything about Dai-Gonarthis, so it's again hard to map the attibutes. I don't think that tracks, as far as we know, Change has been sitting in the mural basically unknown for ages. It was also "inert" as far as the Sleepless knew, they didn't think that anyone could get it. We also know very little about the Scouring. Yes We don't actually know this, it's possible that her leadership role is wholly based on the False Desolation. Leading may also be twisted in that she simply asserts herself as a god, rather than, well, earning the trust of her people or anything remotely like that. I don't think that the consequences of her sealing can relate to the corruption of protecting, as that wasn't done by her. Interestingly, her prosecuting the war seemingly for her own self-aggrandizement clashes with the ostensible goal of the Fused, freeing/protecting the singers. Yes Ehh, given that we're told it hurt all Roshar, I don't think the connection is particularly close or significant. How so? I can't recall BAM having any confirmed ability to affect spren or other Cognitive beings. She seems to have been able to do like a Bondsmith and make Light, and she could somehow supply Regal forms, but I'm not willing to say that she has any known ability to directly affect Cognitive entities this way. The fact that her sealing apparently broke almost an entire species in a fundamental way I don't think counts for her power-set, just like a Lashing running out doesn't give a Gravitation user the power of breaking someone's bones. All-in-all, I think this is incredibly well-reasoned. Colour me mostly convinced, though I obviously have some quibbles left. ¤_¤
  14. Given that he throws Adolin backward with his strike and breaks his wrist by slapping the Blade from his hand, to name just two instances, it feels like there's more than just a bit of strength enhancement to me. Sure, the lower gravity of Roshar should mean lower bone density, but also a corresponding decrease in muscular strength, no? I am not denying that Szeth has martial training different from what's found in the Vorin kingdoms, but that doesn't mean that the Alethi aren't trained. War is their business, it's noted that boys are learning the sword at age five. -RoW, chapter 16 Szeth is also described as being noticably smaller than Dalinar: -RoW, chapter 85 Now, the height can probably be chalked up to "storming Alethi and their long legs." But this tells us that Szeth isn't physically imposing. His constant physical activity should mean that he's physically fit of course, but I'm not sure how easily that would let him crack someone's ribs with a punch. In any case, I'm not sure how much Szeth's martial arts training does or doesn't help him, compared to Alethi martial training. I will freely admit that I do not have personal familiarity with martial arts beyond judo and longsword, so I can't judge what is and isn't reasonable to see from hand-to-hand strikes. True. The question then is what the threshold for this to noticeably start happening. I suppose that once he got the assassination list, his Stormlight consumption rose dramatically, as he didn't just use his powers to kill, but also to travel. And given that he notes that Light lasts for minutes at most for him, he'd need to take in a lot of it. Hmm. Not unreasonable. Assuming that this is an Honorblade function, and he's on the path to Honorblade savantism. Interesting. Fair enough, I'm obviously in the former camp. Heh, the funny thing is, the way this is phrased, I disagree. I see it as a function of the Honorblades, not the Heralds. General Mistborn: This seems likely, though we haven't seen enough Heralds with their Blades to judge, IMO. Fair enough, that was just a thought that struck me. A few things, I think. Their strength may be enhanced, but they are still all fleshy. Trying to use said increased strength to break a rock monster will just end with your soft, squishy body yielding before the rock does. Depending on the mechanics of said enhancement, there may be some point where it plateaus, and there's only so much Investiture to feed into it in any given moment. Mistborn: Do you ever encounter a question that makes you realise you've taken something for granted with no actual support for it? I've assumed that the Heralds can't use their abilities when not incarnated. And the same for the Fused. Oh, I hadn't even realised that there were other interpretations than this. Yes. I think that they have/had an unlimited supply, but could only draw in so much at once. And they must have a "saturation point," so to speak. There is a threshold to how much Investiture you can pump into any given system. Now, the Heralds might be able to handle more at once than your average mortal, but an arbitraty amount at any given time. I definitely think that the Heralds at their peak were below that level of power. To me, this is not a problem of the ability persisting or not. It's a problem of either what's at the other end (not all of Honor/Honor in pieces/a small part of Honor) or the conduit between them being damaged somehow. The Honorblade itself should not have changed. Well, possibly Jezrien's post his true death, depending on whether there's more than just the bond to the Blade between Herald and Blade. But that is of course not a direct consequence of Honor's Splintering. Hmm, what an interesting point of view. That seems such an odd distinction for people to make. I'd assume that the power the Heralds can draw from Honor is Stormlight. What else would it be? As you said that you brought these things up for disclosure, rather than arguing for them, I'm obviously not arguing against you here. The ideas condensed in your post are however interesting to comment on. Good question. It looks to me like he has generally avoided using his Surgebinding openly. Fair enough. I suppose the thing is that he doesn't seem to draw in Light. Then again, Bondsmiths seem to just break rules left and right. Dalinar doesn't need Light to infuse Radiants or open the perpendicularity, it seems. As I've stated above, I don't think they were on this level. Powerful to a ridiculous degree? Yes. To that degree? No. If nothing else for the reason that there are ten of them, so the power would be divided between them. Though I think there are other reasons as well, like Ah. I will say openly that I hate the Soulcasting from the Cognitive idea. I don't think it should work. I'm prepared to accept it does, but it doesn't feel right. And I know there's the deleted scene of Jasnah doing it. I suppose it could be specifically an Elsecaller thing, being able to use the power transcending Realms, because Jasnah needed to be more powerful. I could see what you posit working, even with my more limited Investiture allowance. Surgebinding is wild. I can imagine. ¤_¤
  15. That's fair. I think that we can speculate based on this WoB, however: Perception matters, if someone doesn't think/know something is possible, it's maybe not impossible, but at least less possible. If, as one of the WoBs @Pathfinderkindly supplied IMO says outright, drawing power directly from Honor is a function of the Blades themselves, someone not knowing that this is possible presumably still couldn't do it. This of course depends on how well informed the Shin who took custodianship of the Honorblades were. I assume that that's information they'd want to pass along, just like the Blades granting Surgebinding. Heh, maybe I should have saved some of the above section for here. Yes, I find this very likely. The Shin (or at least whatever subdivision of the Shin have Honorblade knowhow) are aware of the power granting bit, but not their full functions. There's also the fact that Szeth seems to have a perk that Radiants do not: -both WoK, interlude I-9 -WoK, chapter 71 -WoR, chapter 85 Contrast all of this with what we learn in Oathbringer: Oathbringer, chapter 120 I'd say it looks like Szeth is enhanced physically somehow with the Honorblade. I don't think that Szeth is naturally strong enough to toss people around with his attacks. In the WoR quote, it also looks like he might be quicker than he should be. Him moving could be chalked up to Lashings, but his strikes falling so fast? Oh, that makes a lot of sense. A looot. A scary amount of sense. I like it! It also makes for a neat balancing act, as the Honorblades already use a "dangerous" amount of Light (or presumably whatever Investiture you'd manage to plug into them. Sidenote, do Honorblades natively feed on whatever Investiture, similar to Nightblood?) so drawing even more power should carry greater risks. -WoK, prologue Szeth moves enough energy out of the system to freeze his clothes to the point of crackling. Presumably in a way similar to this: -WoK, interlude I-9 Assuming that this isn't hyperbole, Szeth seems to have hit the normal human threshold for using an Honorblade here. My assumption is that if more Stormlight was added to the system, the Light escaping would damage his body faster than the limited healing of an Honorblade could heal. Presumably similar to this: Same kind of thing, but with human skin and muscle. Fun times. I'd say this, from the same sequence, lends additional support: -WoK, interlude I-9 The Light is described as pushing against his skin, which, given the WoB above, I'm inclined to believe is an actual, physical sensation. Going beyond this point should start killing any mortal, except possibly one that has consistently held Light at this level long enough for savantism to start setting in. Ishar says hi (and probably screams about being a god ) Which is a scary thought. I think it might be part perception, knowing that it's there unlocks it, and part is being whatever the Heralds are (I don't think that things like Taln's super reflexes are standard features of Cognitive Shadows, for instance), I assume that they can handle more Light at a time than a mortal for instance. It probably helps that they are (presumably) made from Honor's Investiture, they are "kin" to the Light. That's my read too, with one slight exception. -Edgedancer, chapter 19 There's also chapter 111 of RoW, where Ishar does not seem to be holding or drawing in Light (no mention of him glowing), while he clearly Surgebinds. So I think that the ability to draw power directly from Honor still persists. ¤_¤