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Anyone find it interesting that cultivation interfered with the nightwatcher 3 times. One of those individuals went on to possess Odium, Dalinar is tightly linked to Honor, and Lift is tightly linked to Cultivation? Very tinfoil theory is that she was picking the 3 replacements for the shards.

I think the 5th ideal is the opposite actually. I think it is "I will not cause harm/kill to protect others". I personally believe that Lirin exemplifies the tenants of the wind runners perfectly. There has to be a reason so few radiant can swear the 5th tenant. They always have killed to protect, so it wouldn't be hard for most to move past that. We also see that Kaladin and Syl can protect others by putting her shardplate on the people in the square so Kaladin would not need to kill Singers to protect his people. Kaladin has already been leaning towards this because he has befriended the enemy and realized that in war good people are killed.

So I was scratching my head about why Odium would have ever agreed to the terms set forth by Dalinar where either way of the battle, Odium has to stay on Roshar. But after re-reading Odium is very clear on one case that would allow him to get off Roshar. If Dalinar voids the agreement then Odium is free. The biggest thing here is that Odium asked for Dalinar's soul to be given to him. Not anyone else's. Dalinar even says earlier that he can only order other people to submit to subservience, but he can only really promise that he follows through with the bargain. This means that Dalinar MUST continue to serve Odium for as long as Odium demands it. Now Dalinar is a great guy, but we have already seen what happens to people trying to maintain an oath through eternity. They weaken/get corrupted. Eventually he will break his promise and then Odium will be free. In fact, he might not even have to wait that long. Odium could instruct Dalinar to kill his family one by one. I'm not sure that Dalinar could go through with that.

Kaladin hands down was more racist. Many members of Kelsier's team were half noble. Kaladin hated and distrusted all Lighteyes and only associated himself with darkeyes. Kaladin judges people on their appearance, where Kelsier judges people on their social status.

Very interesting about Dalinar NOT having an honorblade! I think I mainly thought Dalinar had an honor blade from Szeth's reaction to it (he smiled when he saw Dalinar's blade because he assumes that Kaladin got his powers through an honorblade. This means that either 1) Szeth can't recognize Honorblades by sight and assumed it was one 2) Szeth's mental state allowed him to see what he wanted to see (probably the most likely answer)o 3) It actually is an honorblade but there is something more to the whole screaming that we don't understand.

First, I have been assuming that Dalinar held an Honorblade (Taln's) during his fight with Szeth and when he becomes a radiant facing the Stormfather. I say this because Dalinar tells Amaram that he had bonded Taln's blade before he summons it (which I assume is an Honorblade). Also because Szeth looks at Dalinar's blade during the fight on the plane and smiles (because he now assumes that the Honorblade is what gave Kaladin his powers, not Kaladin being a radiant). That being said, I was unsure why the Stormfather called the Honorblad a monstrosity. I was under the assumption that regular shardblades were dead spren, but Honor blades were created by Honor and weren't actually bonded spren. In fact I think somewhere (i couldn't find the quote), it is mentioned that spren decided to bond with humans only after the honor blades were lost, so the Honorblades couldn't be dead spren. So the question here is why is an Honor blade considered a monstrosity by the Stormfather, and why did Dalinar hear screaming from it when he summoned it? -Trey

I was thinking that the story of Fleet was actually about Honor versus Odium. Fleet represents Honor and the storm represents Odium Odium killed Honor, but Honor's death appears to have stopped him (based on the letters epigraph about Odium being contained) The interesting thing to note is that this happened at Shinovar, which is where we know the Honor blades are being kept. After dying, Fleet's soul rises up and roams around the world. This is eerily similar to the Stormfather. Anyone else see the coincidence? Maybe this story was not about Kaladin as Wit says it is, or maybe Kaladin is destined to do something similar to what Honor did to keep Odium contained. Not really a theory, but just something that crossed my mind

Well if you have read the whole book, you might think I just missed the part where he fails the ceremony to become a Rithmatist. However, thinking about it a little more, I think that seeing the being of light was enough to make Joel a Rithmatist. No one talked about the ceremony so he couldn't discover it until later! We all know that drawing Rithmatic figures requires intent from the Rithmatist to actually take on any properties. You see this illustrated by the lack of mysterious symbol that blocks out sound. This was explained by the lack of knowing what the symbol does. Fitch also explains why this causes it to fail "...believe that a Rithmatic line functions based on the Rithmatist;s goals in drawing it...nothing comes to life unless we are explicitly trying to do a Rithmatic drawing. OK so now we need to see if Joel was ever attempting to do a Rithmatic drawing after that encounter. First he does the test with Melody. After he draws the line, he says that he knows it won't work. He didn't believe that he had become a Rithmatist and thus he never had intent and desire to draw a Rithmatic line "Melody reached out with her anxious hand, but Joel knew what would happen" Also, when he is drawing in the arena he isn't trying to draw Rithmatic structures. He is just trying to outline what Melody will draw. Let me know your thoughts on this one guys -Trey

Do you know where this has been confirmed. Not that I doubt it, but how it is worded could impact this thoery. I think it would be possible for the Hoid in Dragonsteel to be the Hoid in Mistborn, but there is a different Hoid in . That being said, without reading dragonsteel it's hard to make a case (I don't purposefully read spoilers about Dragonsteel since I kind of feel that Sanderson doesn't want us to know about the events in that book yet). -Trey

Is this widely believed/confirmed? Both the mention of Sel and the Cosmere have me believe that this can be inferred, but I haven't read all of the Q&As with Sanderson. Also, is it was fair game to assume that the book Ironeyes (Marsh), gave Marsai at the end of AoL was the Ars Arcanum? Anyways, after re-reading the WoA, I am fairly confident that Hoid was creating the Ars Arcanum at that time. I read somewhere that BS confirmed he was up in the Terris mountains at that time and meets up with Elend after the Inquisitors destroy the Terris homeland. I think he was attempting to investigate the different types of investiture and wanted to get familiar with Feurochemy, but was able to learn about hemalurgy when the Inquisitors turned up. It also makes sense about why Vin was spooked about meeting with Hoid at the end of book 3. She may have picked up that he was experimenting with Hemalurgy and been creeped out by it. Assuming I am right, there are a couple follow up questions. 1) Why does Hoid think Hemalurgy would be so useful in the Cosmere. Does he plan on stealing Shard bearers' power? 2) Is it possible that the Hoid in WoA is different from the Hoid in the Way of Kings? Could someone have stolen his power? (Hoid did mention in the WoK that his name was stolen from someone - we have assumed that the character in the other books are the same, and he stole that name from someone not mentioned in BS books, but it could be that the current Hoid is a different person)

Not trying to be rude here, but could we keep this discussion to WoT spoilers only (or update the title!). I haven't read Belgariad, but I might in the future. I'm not even sure if these are spoilers or known from the beginning. RJ had this series made up in his mind 23 years ago so I doubt that he copied anyone. Also, I think BS probably had 0% input on what the confrontation of Rand and the Dark One truly was as that was probably all RJ. I do think the thing that unsettled me the most was that the whole series was about choice, but then there were things like Compulsion and turning channelers to the dark side against their will that kind of negates that.

In a follow up to I thought it would be fun to do an avenger's list with only Brandon's Characters (including Wheel of Time). I moved this to a spoiler forum, since some of the descriptions have them. Captian America => Raoden: Natural leader that fights for freedom and democracy for everyone! Hawkeye => Brigette Silverbow: Renowned archer and made a living shooting at a carnival for a while. The Hulk => Vasher: Self loathing scientist that creates an invention which turns him into a killing machine. Black Widow => Vin: Works in the shadows. Perfect female assassin character. Iron Man => Dalinar (The Blackthorne). Rich badass with a metal suit that gives him special powers. I could also see Kalidin as he is a genius who enjoys breaking the rules and can fly (If he ever puts on Shardplate - I'm unsure if Syl hates Shardplate as well) Thor => Had a hard time here. Maybe Kelsier. Is a man with godlike powers, but spends his time protecting the weak. Nick Fury => Mat Cauthon: Another bad-chull leader who only has one eye Anyone, agree/disagree

I actually thought that a younger Dalinar would be a PERFECT Iron Man replacement. Imagine Dalinar's bad-chull attitude when he was younger and more cocky! Plus he shows up in a full suit of armor!

Spoilers! Please don't decrease my reputation for this (this has been done in the past because she has a lot of supporters), but I think Shallan is my least favorite character 1) She is a character you are supposed to like rather than hate so she is poorly written for me 2) He is selfish - Her whole plot to steal from Jasnah makes no sense in my mind and is completely selfish. Then she does something even MORE selfish by hanging around Jasnah so she could get taught by her. 3) I don't find her dialog witty or funny (I know a ton of people do). I just find it annoying. Her play on words retorts got really old, really quickly 4) I would rather her plot be told by Jasnah (who I find much more interesting) I like when bad guys are unlikable or annoying. I don't like when I find the protaganists hard to put up with.

I'll update this as I continue reading... One interesting thing I noticed on the reread was the Gawyn pocketed the Bloodknives' rings that give them cause them to fight faster, but end up killing them.