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Well I would assume the process is more difficult than simply sticking a spike in Dor, otherwise it would have already been discovered. Yeah I think purified Dor is just connectionless. I wonder if there is a fundamental difference between purified Dor and say connectionless stormlight?

So far in the cosmere, we have seen that abilities that are fueled by Static Investiture are relativity common (on a cosmere wide scale). These abilities include Allomancy, Feruchemy, Surgebinding, Awakening, the various Selish magics, and more (note that Allomancy is fueled by Preservation's body, which is Static Investiture as it is not being used). I will refer to these as Innate Investiture. The abilities are of course very useful, but they are limited in use to a select few, and this will prove to be a problem going forward with the coming war of the Shards, which we have seen hints of in both RoW and TLM. Each Shard will want their own armies to be the strongest, and to achieve this they will need the widespread use of magic. An easy solution to this is for the Shards to simply alter their follower's spiritweb. Grant them powers, much like Sazed gave to Spook in HoA. The problem with this approach is that it requires direct intervention on the Shard's part. We have seen hints that it could be dangerous for the Shards to reveal themselves like this, but beyond that it can also be blocked by other Shards, as we saw from Vin and Ati in HoA. So active intervention is out of the picture. A viable alternative is to mechanically create machines that can use Static Investiture. These are being used more and more, as we see with the Malwish cubes and fabrials. That said, while these are undoubtedly useful, some tasks will simply be done better by people using Investiture instead of complex machinery. Hemalurgy and Bondsmithing can also be means of gaining Innate Investiture, but they have been limited so far by the necessity of taking said Investiture from someone else. This is where the revelation from TLM comes in - Hemalurgy might be able to be fueled by Static Investiture, and then rewritten so as to provide different abilities based on the metal. This is stated by Shai after overhearing the scientists in the bunker under Bilming. This is HUGE. On Scadrial, where they don't have easy access to Investiture, this isn't very useful. They can spike multiple non-Allomancers in order to gain abilities, but this is a monstrous process and is not tenable on a large scale with so much human death. This becomes useful when places with easy access to Static Investiture are considered - namely Roshar and Sel. If it were possible to take an Invested sphere, and use that Investiture in order to create a spike that could grant people Innate Investiture - this could allow for the easy democratization of Innate Investiture. You could create Allomancers and Feruchemists for virtually no cost. Creating Surgebinders might be harder, as it requires a spren bond, but even that might be able to be fabricated using hemalurgy, seeing as really Allomancy is just a bond to Preservation. The means of aquiring Selish magics are relativity unknown to us as of yet, and so I will refrain from theorizing in that direction. The only Innate Investiture that will not be able to be fabricated in this way is probably Awakening, seeing as it is fueled by a person's own Investiture. The potential here is huge, and this might also give Harmony/Discord an edge in a cosmere wide conflict.

Amazing theory, you've definitley convinced me. The only past theory that convinced me this much was one I read that claimed Ishar is Tezim (pre Oathbringer) which turned out to be correct.

Why do you assume Hoid is opposed to the formation of Adonalsium? The prominent theory is that he wants to reforge it by becoming Connected to every shard. Why do you assume the sleepless want to reforge Adonalsium? I could argue they might see the value in splitting the power into multiple parts, much like they do to themselves. Can you explain why you believe Hoid and the sleepless would opposed and on these specific sides?

I don't think that's how Identity works. Identity has to do with individuals, not with types of investiture. What you are thinking of is Connection, which would then be stored in duralumin. Besides that, I don't think it'll work because when storing Connection, you are storing your own Connection to things - and the light is not a part of you. A radiant uses light to fuel their abilities, but they are separate from it. On the other hand, this could potentially create interesting effects regarding the radiant's spren. What would happen if, after the fifth ideal, when the radiant and the spren are one, the radiant tried to store Connection? I'm not sure if it would leave them with their abilities and only get rid of the spren's connection with Honor and Cultivation, or if it would get rid of their abilities too.

That's an interesting idea, but then the line about lights does not really work. We have consistently seen the word "rasping" being used to describe the singing of singers in forms of power. I don't think it would be used to describe humans.

This is true, but foreshadowing like this is generally going to be correct for narrative reasons. Because I am on mobile I can't quote you a second time, but this is going to be a reply to "Honor's possible defeat" I think that we have enough death rattles stating horrible scenarios to know that Odium is going to win in book five. This victory will not be absolute, but Honor is going to lose. "So the night will reign, for the choice of honor is life..." "Light grows so distant. The storm never stops. I am broken, and all around me have died. I weep for the end of all things. He has won. Oh, he has beaten us. "

But notice the structure of the sentence: "They come, rasping, and the lights fail.". This sounds to me like it could be either cause and effect or two statements of fact. In the case of cause and effect, my theory is probably correct. If it's two statements of fact then I'm wrong, but then why put the two unrelated facts in a single line? It's a bit odd, which is unlike Brandon. I could be wrong though.

I agree that there might be more to the first part than I noticed, but that isn't really the focus of the post. The new observation that I'm making here is about the line "They come rasping and the lights fail.". If you want to speculate about the first part, I'd like to draw your attention to the odd phrasing of "Stormfather! You cannot have it. The day is ours.". This almost sounds like someone is telling the Stormfather that he cannot have it. Could this be possible foreshadowing for the Stormfather being corrupted, or switching sides along with Dalinar in the case that Dalinar loses?

I am going to be talking about this death rattle: “The day was ours, but they took it. Stormfather! You cannot have it. The day is ours. They come, rasping, and the lights fail. Oh, Stormfather!” —Subject was a young boy. There are many death rattles that seem to refer to Honor's eventual defeat in book five. I want to talk about this one specifically because I think we can learn something new from it. The first part of this death rattle is relativity obvious, as well as in line with other rattles. Honor lost the day, after thinking they had won. This fits very nicely with what we know from RoW - in either scenario, the humand thought they would win, because they won't be completely destroyed. Taravangian found the loophole and won. The interesting part is the following line: "They come, rasping, and the lights fail." When I read "the lights fail", I immediately thought of stormlight, because that's the only light that we have seen that can really fail. Regular light would not fail because the Fused have come, but stormlight can. Also note the word "lights" is plural. Odium's forces are going to discover anti-lights for cultivationlight and towerlight (the two other lights that are in use by Honor's forces). Another interesting thing about this sentence is it's mention of voice. This seems to almost guarantee that Odium's forces will sing the anti rhythms in order to stop Honor's forces somehow. This will be a major advantage to them, seeing as the average singer is going to be much better at this than the average human.

And I argued against you lol. Nice one!

So far we have not seen any repellers/attractors that have been able to apply as much force as is required in your schematic. The best they seem to be able to do is push or pull on liquids to attract them. I seriously doubt they'd be able to apply enough force to counteract gravity in this design.

I'm pretty sure that's simply because he acts like Tanavast did. There have been threads about this in the past.

I seriously don't think that would count as willing. He has to be willing to fight for Odium against Dalinar.

This can't happen though. The champion has to be willing, and Gavinor would not be willing. Besides that, the contract that binds Odium to Roshar is completley different than the one they just made. Having this contract not take effect would not affect the old contact Odium had with Honor.

I understood that differently. I think that he meant that it would be the breaking of his word that would allow others to attack him, not that the deal he had with Honor protects him. Edit: this is the text from the book: "But that is not going to happen, and I am not going to break my word. Because if I did, it would create a hole in my soul—which would let Cultivation kill me." This seems to imply that my interpretation is true.

I think that the key here is making Dalinar break his word. Odium outright said that if Dalinar did so, the agreement binding him to Roshar would be void. If both champions are killed at once, or if they cannot kill one another, the status quo simply continues. Dalinar did not break his word, and therefore there is no reason to think that the deal holding Odium to Roshar will go away. The most obvious clause to be exploited is about both champions arriving unhindered and unharmed. If Odium can get Dalinar's goaded enough, they might kill Odium's champion, and thus make Odium free. It honestly sounds very easy to do so.

Time is a thing in the spiritual realm. Place isn't a thing there.

https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93707-impressive-testament-foreshadowing/

Definitley don't read part five epigraphs, they would spoil something big. Part three epigraphs might spoil something, if you can figure it out. Part four epigraphs spoil a small twist, but not something that I would consider to be major.

I predicted that soulcasters are made by sapient spren who consented to become a fabrial. All my other predictions are way off though.

I took notes after reading each chapter, I'll try to compress everything that I've noticed into here: -In chapter 31, Venli called Nomon "Honor's Moon". -In chapter 34, Nomon rode a horse, whom he said was not imagined by humans. My guess is Ryshadium. - In chapter 40, the Sibling called Adhesion the truest surge of Honor. It was also confirmed that Fused don't have access to it. -The aviar that Lift ended up having was originally owned by someone with rings, who was killed by Mraize. -In chapter 67, Venli says that to summon new voidlight she could sing the Song of Prayer, but they she was scared of doubt so as it might draw Odium's attentions. -In chapter 87, it is mentioned that the Ire sold a device that keeps stormlight to the Honorspren. -In Hesina's interlude, it is confirmed she is from a town in Alethkar. So the Kaladin born in Kharbranth theories are incorrect.

That might be what Jasnah is saying, but I don't believe it for a moment. I think she is lying to everyone in order to make Kaladin have to marry her and become king of Alethkar. Now that everyone knows that he is the son of Tanavast, it'd add a lot of stability to her rule, which she desperately needs with Elhokar coming back and all.

I mostly agree with your first two groupings, but I think Odium fits with the third group, not the fourth. Odium represents not just hate and anger, but also love and passion. I also think the name of the group should be changed from Will to Motivation. Each of the shards in it represent a reason of motivation. Strong feeling, ambition, and autonomy is something to fight for.

Odium wouldn't take the deal. The entire point of the battle by champions is that Odium could afford to lose time, while time is the most important thing a human can have. By leaving, Odium lets a new vessel take up Honor eventually, and he leaves Cultivation alone. If he knows that by not agreeing to the deal he will get another chance a couple hundred years ahead, why would he take the deal? He can try as many times as he wants with practically no consequences.