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  1. Huh, I totally missed this, however when I read the quote: Which would mean that people don't believe the Nightwatcher is the One, they believe that Cultivation is the One. (so not a spren) I'd also like to point out the male pronouns Evi uses. In terms of Iri doctorine, the One is neither male nor female, so Evi could just be making a mistake, or this could be an indication that she is unreliable. However yeah, these quotes are way more concrete than mine
  2. Theory: Cusicesh is a spren of the Iriali god, the One I was inspired while reading this thread from a little while ago: (I also used some of the quotes/WoBs found in here, so credit goes to you guys) CONTEXT FOR THE LONG TRAIL: (you can skip if you already know abt the Long Trail, or just read for a refresher) The Iriali generally follow the religion of the One (their god... a shard? maybe... who knows?). This religion teaches that the Iri are on an interplanetary journey called The Long Trail, going over 7 different planets. Ages ago, the One decided to split itself up into different lives so that it could experience life. These people, the Iriali, are currently on the 4th planet of the journey, Roshar. When they get to the 7th planet, they will all "gather together" and become One again, new and improved with all the experiences/lives the Iriali have lead, completing the Long Trail. Every Irian is part of the One... SO ONTO THE THEORY: Descrition from Axies' interlude in WoK ~Cusicesh the Protector is described as being made up of many different faces flashing through in quick succession and Axies said that it was worshiped in by some in Kasitor... As we know, spren are living ideas, eg. a firespren is people's idea of fire that has gained form in the Cognitive Realm (and shows partially in the Physical). So what idea/s formed Cusicesh? Or in other words, what is Cusicesh the spren of? Let's look at the people who would have shaped it. (Spren's genders have been influenced by human vs singer perception, so we know that the people thinking around the spren, and their social concepts have effect on spren) Cusicesh appears in the city, Kasitor, which is Iri's second largest city. Cusicesh is considered "a part of the city" so it must have been there for a long time, under influence from many Iriali's perceptions over a long time. As a spren in Kasitor, Cusicesh has to have been influenced by the Iriali. So how does Cusicesh fit into Iriali culture??? As the One!* (*Possibly as the One! ...it makes sense to me, here's why...) So the first thing that connects Cusicesh to the One is the display of faces. The One is all the Iriali people, as Ym said to the urchin, "you and I are One". The One is genderless. Cusicesh's display includes many different people, some appear male and some appear female. All of the faces are human. So all different humans, all genders, are being combined into one form. Which is exactly the same as how all of the Iriali are meant to become One on the 7th planet, combining into One form. One of the major aspects of Cusicesh' demonstration is people feeling drained by it. Axies said it felt like "something had been leeched from him". Maybe Cusicesh is draining away the observers' experiences/investiture, to replicate how One is meant to take all of the Iriali experiences onto itself. (Yes this isn't the 7th planet yet, but Cusicesh isn't literally the One, just people's perceptions of the One. And the final "gathering" is literally the purpose of the Long Trail/their lives so it makes sense this important aspect would be a part of the One's spren) Cusicesh is also worshipped by some Iri. This could tentatively be an indication that Cusicesh was connected 'the One' religion at some point in the past. Or that it at least resonated/s with Iriali culture during their time on Roshar. (Like why would the worldhopping Iriali, some of whom were cosmically aware, worship a spren?) Also in terms of their worship, the pedestals are gold, connecting it further to the golden Iriali people. (Also also, Four pedestals/arms that Cusicesh is leaning on, maybe represent four lands so far that the One can draw experiences from...) To recap, Crusicesh must have been influenced by people because it is a spren. It's location means it has been influenced by the Iriali's perceptions. And from our limited knowledge of Crusicesh, its behaviours seem to fit with the Iriali God, the One. This theory also provides a reason for Brandon to show us Cusicesh, beyond it being the Sibling (which I don't believe), or just being cool. The Iri's perceptions of their god have created Crusicesh or at least influenced it. Honestly, I have no idea if all of this has already been said, or if there are massive holes I just don't have the knowledge to see. But I thought that this seemed plausible enough, or that this might provide something useful... tear it apart! (Or alternatively, help build and correct this theory!) PS: In order for this theory to be really solid, it would be great to find another spren of a god, for example, a spren that emobidied the Passions. (not a god-spren, like because even though he's a sliver of Honor, the Stormfather isn't believed to represent the Almighty, so I don't think he counts as a precedent.) (PPS: some baseless propositions/thoughts (if this theory proves true) Maybe all the faces are people with Iriali blood who have passed on and are going back into the One??? Maybe "eastward", the direction Cusicesh is facing, is where the Iriali homeland is, or where they last came from, or where they're going next???? idk. Cusicesh's "sapience" could come from drawing energy/investiture/cognitive presence from onlookers. The Iri are also probably giving it heaps of cognitive presence/aspect, cos Cusicesh is taking on all their ideas/reverence for their God. Cusicesh's sapience would also allow it to continue spren-ifying the One, if people have stopped heavily associating Crusicesh with the One, because now its view of itself contributes to its identity)
  3. Romantic: Steris and Wax, then Sazed and Tindwyl. Non romantic: I really like Lift and Szeth. All their interactions have been hilarious, they're so different, but they play off each other so well. Hope that they team up more in the future
  4. I completely agree that Shallan doesn't have DID. In DID, different "personalities" form during a moment/period of trauma, when the mind tries to protect itself by dissociating, basically running away or blocking out what's happening, the part of the mind that's left behind to experience the trauma becomes a personality, (this is my basic understanding of what generally happens, I am also not an expert). DID personalities also form during childhood, and the child needs to be uncomforted, (again, to my knowledge). Shallan does not fit these requirements. Yes, her childhood trauma contributed to her desire to become someone else, but Veil formed as a result of her intent when Shallan was an adult, not as a response to trauma. She literally created Veil as a disguise to meet the Ghostbloods. Radiant, you could argue, was formed in a moment of stress. But Shallan also created her intentionally, not as her brain's natural response. Then there's the amnesia thing which you already touched on, and is probably the most clear reason why Shallan isn't suffering from DID. When people shift to different personalities, their brain chemistry literally changes. They have different handwriting, memories, and personalities. It's not that they become a different person, but that a different person comes out. In cosmere terms, a person's cognitive aspect completeley changes or that multiple cognitive identities are connected to one physical aspect. This might seem to fit with Shallan, but Veil and Radiant are an extension of Shallan's imagination, versions of herself that she created, not completely different people. I think that Shallan is purposefully warping her cognitive aspect (how she views herself) in order to deal with her situation, and what happens to Shallan might be DDNOS, but she definitely does not have DID as we understand it.
  5. — Collected on Shashanan 1173, 23 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed youth of sixteen years. Sample is of particular note.[24] 4. “A man stood on a cliffside and watched his homeland fall into dust. The waters surged beneath, so far beneath. And he heard a child crying. They were his own tears. ” — Collected on Tanatesev 1171, 30 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a cobbler of some renown I think these show three critical, and sequential moments in Taravangian's future. It appears to predict that Taravangian's bargain with Odium to save his city and its people will hinge on killing a baby, or not. Could the suckling child/baby be Kharbranth itself? The city could be seen as a child because of its small size and lack of power. As its king, Taravangian holds it in his hands and he has the knife to its throat when he's bargining with Odium. Everyone wants him to join Honor/Dalinar's side but he chooses to save Kharbranth instead. The child crying could be Kharbranth falling and Taravangian mourning over it. However choosing to save Kharabranth and aligning with Odium is very un-Honor-like thing to do, when "the choice of Honor is is life", so I'm not sure
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