Doc12

This was a good game to come back to, as I got to play with some really good friends and got to be at least kind of useful in the game Unfortunately, it also caused me stress and reminded me again that I was never a good SE player even when I was a regular. I spent the early game winging it, spent midgame getting tunneled on in despair and apathy and the last half of it trying to make up for early mistakes and still getting suspected a lot I was lucky that even though I was the most incompetent player ever, I was at least of some use and didn't make too big of mistakes. So thank you Straw and thank you to all for playing with me, but I will be taking the lesson to heart and never coming back. The most I'll do is participate in spec docs and stuff. So... it was really great being back for a while until it wasn't, and thank you all so much

Rude Elandera

I should be the one feeling betrayed I will only be sufficiently placated if you offer me some spike-free cookies. You slipped under the radar quite a lot, especially as I (and Burnt on one occasion) left out your name on our suspicion lists because we saw BR's name crossed out and forgot about you I suppose what made me vote on you in the end was that feeling that even though you've been there and defended me (which was nice, I won't lie), you've said very little despite posting quite a lot. Vindication!

Man, that extension really stagnated the game, eh? You and me both I'm not sure I like the idea of you holding off voting on me because of my emotional statements though. I'd prefer that you not vote on me because I've convinced you we're on the same side. I don't know. That reasoning depended on there being an Inquisitor who wanted to convert - and maybe they still do - but I agree that people who know Misting claims shouldn't be exempt from suspicion. I thought the same for a while. I haven't heard anything from the Seeker either, but as others have repeatedly told me, the Seeker isn't obliged to share their results publicly. I would also like some confirmation that at least something is happening. i guess we're now just shooting in the dark, no use finding justifications, really. I'm pretty sure Fifth, Bard and possibly Rath can be trusted. I want to say Hael too, but can't go that far yet. Sart and Snipexe seem genuine at the moment, especially with Sart calling out people and asking specific questions when no one would have thought twice if he remained silent... The ones I'm really unsure about remain Elandera, Stink and Shane. I suppose I'll vote on Elandera as well...

This confuses me. If you are a Smoker and know what a Smoker does, why did you confuse it for vote manipulation? Also, for the moment, I believe it's possible that there might be two Smokers in the game. Your point that giving the Inquisitor a Smoker wouldn't do much is fair, and something that we might do in later cycles if we still haven't caught the Inquisitor, but for now, I'm perfectly happy in denying the Inquisitor the chance to convert and mess up my reads If they wish to claim, though, I won't stop them, and I'm leaving it up to them on whether they wish to claim to the thread. I guess I'll also be posting my own reads list, and I like Burnt's style of doing it, so here we go. 1. Haelbarde (Spar) - Honestly I'd go 50%. I don't have enough to go on him and our PMs are rather erratic His activity fluctuates, between having enough time to build a case on me last cycle to making quick one sentence posts. 2. Burnt Spaghetti (Opal Ghetti) - 15% Pretty much trust. We've talked a lot in PMs and she's the one who encouraged me to be a more active player even if I'm roleless. 3. Snipexe (Cutting Bored) - 45% Claimed misting in thread. 6. Lumgol (Teraval) - 30% slight village, because of the whole mistake with not understanding how Tineyes work. Not sure that they might be Tineye based on that, but the inactivity does coincide with the missing Tineye message. 8. shanerockes (Bill) - 40% When asked how he would play as an inquisitor, says he'd be PMing lots of people to find out roles if he was inquisitor, but only has about 4 PMs. Then again, could be Inquizy as he doesn't seem to have connected to any mistings, which could explain the Inquisitor's bad luck. 12. Elandera - 50% - There was the whole switch from Brightness to Elandera, which makes her difficult to read. I'm reserving judgement for now, though. 13. Fifth Scholar (Lerdar) - 10%. Knows a misting and said misting ain't dead yet. And there's the whole, got attacked thing. It's mainly the first point. 14. Devotary of Spontaneity (Nevene) - 65% I didn't think she was really that suspicious when Fifth made that post. But after that, in PMs she said she had a role and that she had told others about said role, but I haven't been able to track down who she PM'd about her role, which makes her a bit more suspicious to me. Also said that she would claim to FIfth which would make him take back his vote, but he hasn't so... I guess it bumps Devotary up past Hael. Ironically enough, if you'd actually claim to me, it could have made me consider your claim myself which might have stopped me from voting on you 15. Rathmaskal (Rebelmaskal) - 30% Slight village because last vote on Rand on day 2 plus completely misunderstanding how conversion works (could be a feint possibly?) I don't know if Rand would have claimed publicly if not for Rath's vote, even though he did claim to m before 16. Young Bard (Beattie Buvidas) - 10% Pretty much cleared in my eyes, same rationale as Fifth. Has been very open in PMs. 17. Sart (TBA) - 45%I did like him defending me in Day 4, even though it's true that the fact that I revealed Rand doesn't clear me. Has claimed smoker. Was a bit strange when they misunderstood how the smoker works at first. Also there's the nonchalance about giving the Inquisitor a conversion if his theory was wrong. Overall village though, but too little to go on. 18. STINK (Fonar Redacted) - 50% STINK does what a STINK does, which is pop up randomly and disappear just as quickly. So in order of suspicions - Devotary , Hael + Stink + Elandera, though honestly I don't actually suspect Elandera that much, just that I can't read her, with Sart and Snipexe coming in third. Besides Devotary, Hael and Elandera, they're mostly inactive peeps, so I hope you guys post more. @LumgolYou really should post today or tonight if you don't want to get killed by the inactivity filter, I'd just like to say here that only a Sith deals in absolutes

I don't get it. Snipexe announced to the thread last night that he was a misting, why target Araris instead? Maybe the Inquisitor believed that Snipexe would be protected but still. I don't know what the Inquisitor's doing. If the Inquisitor *is* still trying to convert instead of randomly hitting people, it clears people I know such as Burnt, Fifth and Bard, who know at least one Misting. I'm just very confused. Someone claimed Smoker, which means that the Inquiisitor probably has Seeking powers. Why are they hitting unsnapped? Not that I'm refuting your post, but both Lumgol and Shane have been on pretty recently. Shane was on 20 minutes ago and Lum is active in the other game. That said, I still don't think Lum or Shane are too suspicious now based on my analysis from day 3. They really need to participate more though. While it'll help narrow down the suspect pool, they could be mistings, which could mean free conversions for the Inquisitor. Some questions - if you have answers, PM me? Did anyone seek Snipexe last night? Is there a way the Seeker could let us know? What has Araris said that might have gotten him killed? I didn't have a PM with him, did anyone? Seriously, what happened to the second Tineye? I'll be back on tonight to do another read through and suspicion post. .

I...am not dead. I'm honestly surprised not to be. Also annoyed that I was wrong about Ray (Sorry Ray) A lot happened while I was asleep! I wonder if the reason the vote changed was because of my vanilla claim not being useful to the Inquisitor. I would suspect Araris for changing his vote from me to a claimed misting, but then he changed his vote to Ray. I don't know what to think about Devotary, the vote which broke the tie. I don't know what to think because Devotary apparently thought Ray was another vanilla as well? Suspicion shortlist Hael - Since Ray is gone, Hael moves up to the top of the list. He was pretty active yesterday, he's been quiet and mainly talking about mechanics engaged enough to be comparing timestamps and making cases against innocent people Fifth, why is Hael so low on your suspicion list? Devotary - sorry, I know you technically saved me and voted for the person I wanted, but I didn't *want* to be saved . Snipexe - I want to trust him because of his misting claim, but I want him Seeked first to ensure he's not the Inquisitor I think that Snipexe would be a better Seeker target, considering his misting claim yesterday. Apologies for not dying, everyone. ya'll can lynch me tomorrow it if it will satisfy Fifth

Sure. I PM'd Rand after I voted on him on day 2, giving him a general greeting and informing him I suspected him. He replied that he had a way to prove he wasn't the Inquisitor by doing a role-swap. I agreed to it, and he claimed Mistborn and said the third Tineye message was his. Right off the bat. When I asked who else he'd told, he said he would tell Stink he said something to me as insurance. I believe that at that time he claimed, the vote on Rand was still Fifth and me. When I got back to the game, Rath had made the vote on Rand 3. I noted that fact to him, and he said that he was going to publicly claim. I retracted my vote on him after that. As to why he would PM me with that? I have no idea. When he suggested the role-swap, I told him that I had nothing to lose with that, sort of saying that I was roleless, but he apparently just claimed to me. Perhaps it's because we've been in games together like LG40 where he knew that I would be more willing to trust him than other players? In any case, it's not like my suspicions on him were fully allayed. I did still expect him to prove it somehow, I just didn't want to risk losing a village mistborn. Anyways, I did a long, long readthrough of past cycles trying to find subtle slip-ups and thingsand here's what I have. Hope it helps! Good reads: Fifth. While he's currently trying to lynch me, I don't fault him for it. As with Burnt, the attack on him would have been very counter-intuitive, and maybe it's simply because I haven't played enough games with you, but I don't think you'd pull that kind of gambit. Burnt. I believe Burnt to be capable of pulling that gambit, but I pray it's not the case here. In her PM with me, she accused me of being inquisitor based on a conversation we had, and I guess she just seemed genuine. I think I would read her as village for now. Lumgol. on Night 2, after Rand claimed mistborn and the one behind tineye message 3, Lumgol expressed disbelief because she misread the message as the tineye claiming to have messaged everyone and thus disbelieved Rand's claim. This is an odd mistake to make if they were the Inquisitor. Sure, it could be distancing, but it seemed to me like a genuine misunderstanding. Rath. Rath was the third vote on Randuir and the one which made him claim in thread. Also, he made a rule mistake this cycle where he wondered why the inquisitor wasn't converting. Again, could be a trick, but a really odd misunderstanding to do so on, considering how all of day 1 was based on the argument on whether we should lynch a misting to let the inquisitors convert. Slightly village Bard Bard hasn't done anything here to make me trust or distrust him. He was voted on a lot in day 2 for largely arbitrary reasons and was tied with Rand before Rath voted on Rand and the mistborn claim happened. One comment that struck me was him advising against publishing the PM chain on Day 3 because "the entire point of the chain was to prevent PM spying from occurring and identifying the Seeker." But to those who were paying attention, the Inquisitor gave up UberTin on N1 to convert Randuir (If that was what revealing the Spike meant) Possibly not the Inquisitor, based on that. Araris Araris has been pretty engaged with the game, voting a lot. This cycle, he's been voting based on his reads of Randuir's posts. I'd point that Rand is very good at distancing, so his posts may not really mean anything after all. That said. Araris stating he doesn't want to lynch a misting and give the Inquisitor a helping hand echoes my own sentiments and makes me slightly trust him. Elandera It's heartwarming that at least one of you doesn't suspect me I like Elandera for that, they're reasonable. As she's a player that came in halfway, i have the natural inclination to not suspect her, compounded with her forgetting that the Tineyes were needed for PMs to function. I may be putting too much stock into people misunderstanding the rules, but this doesn't feel like a slip up an eliminator would make. I honestly don't know, in order of least suspicious to most Shanerockes Claims to be busy, alright. I'm inclined to believe he's a true inactive atm, though he did PM me just moments ago fishing for information before I died. I'm inclined to clear him on account of that, because an Inquisitor wouldn't care what I knew before I died, would they? STINK Threw a vote at Bard day 2, then voted on Rand after I denounced him... said no to soft clearing the PM chain. Overall seems to be encouraging discussion, but too little to go on for sure. Devotary focused on Bard day 2... feels confident that Rand is not the eliminator, was my contact in the PM chain. I don't know, I can't read devotary at all. Separate people I've PM'd have said she sounds villager, but I don't know. Sart Really hasn't done much. Shown up a couple of times to throw a vote around and disappeared. Snipexe. On day 2, voted on Fifth while the Rand bandwagon was underway. Possibly suspicious because of that. Not sure what to think of his offer to be lynched today. I agree with Fifth that he should be scanned, but if someone has to die it probably should be me. Hael Been quiet and conservative - did make a post calling out some people and asking questions. Accused me today which was mean, but did show that he's paying attention to timestamps which suggests he's been engaged. EDIT: Reading through Rath's post does make Hael slightly more suspicious to me. Perhaps take a closer look at him next cycle too? RayofSunshine At this point, I remain suspicious of Ray, who has been shown to be following along with the game (Finding Rand's hidden message, showing up in night turns, showing up when summoned) but hasn't contributed much. He asked a question when Striker died on whether unsnapped count as mistings, which would be an important question for an Inquisitor. Well, that's all I have for now. Hope you guys make good use of it and appreciate the amount of time I put in on this, my last day alive P.S. I expect an apology the following night

If it satisfies you guys, Doc I'm only putting up a token effort at defending myself because life before death and all I want to die so I don't have to put in so much work on this game, but at the same time felt that I as a villager should remain here participating as long as I can. Oh well. I recognize that I have made mistakes, and those mistakes can look fishy to suspicious eyes. frankly, I'm a little annoyed at Hael questioning why I was up so late. Yes, I had a date in the morning, yes, I should have been asleep. I was up til two not being on the shard, and I checked the thread before I was going to sleep to see if there were any updates. Rand claimed mistborn to me around 1 am, but I didn't see it til I checked the shard, which was why I said i only learned about this half an hour ago. I threw up a retraction post, voting Bard out of necessity, which I didn't want to do because I knew Bard was asleep, saw that Fifth posted in the time I was making that post, and changed my vote after that. I'm tired of playing badly and just being seen as suspicious because of that. Maybe before the cycle ends I'll still be able to do a readthrough the backlog and actually say who I think is suspicious before I die, but it'll honestly be a relief not to have to do that anymore. So lynch me, and be satisfied. At least there won't be a misting lynch for the Inquisitor to use. I'm not a good player, guys. I kind of regret coming back.

Looking back, Rand claimed Mistborn to me about a couple of hours before he actually revealed it in thread, and before the Rath vote, why? Also, that was me making a blunder. The PM I got revealing Rand said "spiked vanilla convert", and I 1) thought that the scan revealed Rand's alignment and 2) forgot that the inquisitor might appear to be vanilla, making a Seek on me useless. I have already been informed of how dumb I was

Question, do we even have a Coinshot? There has been a distinct lack of dying past few nights besides the attack on fifth. Eh, well. honestly, I've sort of resigned myself to being suspected I've tried to be useful and have tried to think about how I voted, but in the end, if only my death will satisfy you, I'm gonna give the coinshot a tired look and say "Yeah, well, make it quick." I'm only putting up an argument because while me dying isn't the worst, I feel that I have a responsibility to at least try to be a useful and active player, so I won't actively argue for my own death. I don't really understand Fifth saying that I have ties to Rand, when I 1) voted on him day 2 because I felt he was playing strangely, 2) was the second vote before it became a bandwagon, and 3) only retracted my vote because Rand claimed mistborn, which Fifth did as well. I suppose another reason Fifth suspects me is because I've defended Bard, who he also suspects. I don't know what to say to that if it's true, I have defended Bard a couple of times - once in day 2 when he accumulated about two or three votes rapidly and seemingly arbitrarily and when I really didn't want to shift the vote to him to save Rand. I believe I've explained my reasons for that adequately. Possibly a last reason that I might be suspected is me believing that the PM chain could be soft-cleared, to which I acknowledge that is a rookie mistake, and I am an idiot (Seriously, I'm not half as good as this game as some of you think I am) I'm working on reading backlog and trying to compile a list of trusts and distrusts, but I probably won't get it done today so I'll try to post that on the next day. At the moment, I'm fine with Doc being scanned, and if we do have a coinshot, I'm going to vote that Ray be shot for reasons expressed in previous posts.

I'd like to point out that I was the second vote on Rand on day 2, backing off only when he claimed mistborn to me If Rand is indeed evil, I would also soft-clear the person who PM'd me the scan results, the second-to-last link in the PM chain who can reveal themselves if they so choose. To use an argument you did, Rand was suspected but people were willing to keep him around. would I or this person, being the Inquisitor, décide to pass along/reveal the only convert we had so far and focus the entire thread on him when we could just as easily have sat on it? Sounds like a horrible gambit Of course, the Inquisitor could've been forced into it. The person told me that they were the second to last in the chain and the person they selected to be the last in chain (me) would reveal this in thread. I suppose that someone in this chain could be the Inquisitor unhappily passing along this information, but it would have been easy to stall or pretend to have passed the information on to incriminate another player. To that end, perhaps in the next day cycle we can reveal some links of the chain to soft-clear players. In any case, I support ending the cycle early, but if not, I agree that we can name potential lynch/coinshot candidates in purple. @RayOfSunshine, how much attention have you been giving to this game? Numerous people have said you're active around the Shard but quiet here. Ray

Gather 'round, gather 'round, my fellows! I have just received grave news of great import! I have received word from a PM chain that our good friend Eliza (Randuir) is not all that she (he) has claimed to be! A Seeker has examined our good friend and found him a vanilla spiked convert. The Seeker started a chain of messages, and I, the last in that chain, have been selected to declare it in public. Of course, you might ask how I trust the word of a PM chain, but this method can guarantee us catching a spiked - if Randuir is evil, we get rid of an eliminator today, If he is not, iI will reveal who has sent this message, and they will reveal who informed them of this. T'would be a simple matter of tracing the PM chain upwards to find out where this message originated or where it was changed. I trust that you will act on this information well, fellow friends. Yours in good faith, Galen Aurette

I am annoyed. It be 3:30 a.m. and I can't sleep because Rand decided to claim to me in a PM half an hour ago Storm SE These abbrievations are getting out of hand There is a very big difference between the First Doctor and the Twelfth, and I will not have you confusing which one I am Doc or Doc12 to you, please! in any case, In light of his recent claim, Randuir. I expect you to have some way to prove it this night cycle, to all of us - in light of that, perhaps a misting could protect Rand tonight? As to who I'd move the vote to, the easiest would be Araris or Bard. I would feel pretty rotten for voting on Bard while he was asleep though, and Araris seems earnest to me. @Devotary of Spontaneity the votes have been slipping off Bard because Stink and Rath didn't really have much of a reason on Bard at all. I think, so that's not really a reason to suspect Bard. I really, really hate having to do this. Bard, if you're village, and no one shows up to save you, I'm so, so sorry. edit: All of that was typed up before Fifth posted and changed his vote. In the light of that, I don't have to condemn Bard to save Rand from the lynch! At this point, I'm willing to sit this out and let the three way tie play out and see what results we get. But as I said above, I'm inclined to keep Bard and Araris alive for the moment, and so I'll throw a vote at Striker. Bard (2) - STINK, Araris, Rath, Araris, Devotary, Araris (2) - Sart, StrikerHael (1) - BardRand (1) - Fifth, Doc, Rath Fifth (1) - Snipexe Striker (3) - Rand, Fifth, Doc Shane (0) - RandDevotary (0) - Araris Storm you all, now it's 4 a.m. and I have a date in 6 hours I need to be rested for XD Goodnight!

The voting is confusing this cycle. I get it - with only two eliminators at the moment and only the first day to go on, people are trying to pick up on the smallest things. Still, the vote on Bard came and went pretty quickly. Stink voted just because, and removed his vote a bit after, Araris jumped on Bard at a misreading, and just as quickly jumped on Devotary after Bard responded. Rath admitted a placeholder vote and tried to justify it with some criteria that could just as easily apply to any other person in the game, including me. I don't think there's any coordination to this, just a bunch of trigger-happy villagers that are still unwilling to actually commit to anything. I don't find anyone particularly suspicious at the moment, nor have I been able to perceive any evidence of cooperation, but I'm going to put down a vote on an existing lynch so this cycle isn't wasted. General rambling here, Looking at the activity for the cycle so far, I'm wondering how active the Inquisitor would have to be - obviously they had to be active enough to choose a convert last night.. Looking back at the night cycle, I'm looking at RayofSunshine for showing up only in the night, but that's only circumstantial evidence. @Young Bard, you said last night that your list of likely inquisitors that you wanted to analyze had Lum at the front, but your suspicion today falls on Hael - was your suspicion of Lum totally based on the misreading of spikes for lives? Also, you are very gracious to not consider me suspicious (Might be a bit too early for ruling people out, ain't it?) @Randuir, you were a good ally and a terrifying enemy in previous games, and I'm used to having to squint to slowly process your posts. Perhaps it's just me, but I'm with Fifth in that you're playing very conservatively, making safe votes on inactives and giving statements that are generally with the village sentiment. You've posted a set of reads after that vote, but haven't changed your vote from the inactive vote on Shane. I get that you're busy on your master's thesis - mad respect to you for that and if that's the real cause for your distracted attitude, I apologize, but I firmly believe you can afford to actually vote on people you find suspicious. Right now, I'm putting a vote on Randuir. (Hey, if you're village, I'm sorry, but you get more time to work on your thesis? ) Araris posted while I was still writing this up, and as of now Bard is in the lead with two votes. @Araris Valerian- your last statement was about a fear of elim!Rath voting with you - why didn't you vote on him then? Vote Count: Rand (2) - Fifth, Doc Hael (1) - Bard Bard (2) - Stink, Rath, Araris Araris (1) - Sart Devotary (1) - Arar Shane (1) - Rand Someone better vote to untie the lynch~ Goodnight!

Well, I have decided that I do not want Aman to die today, at the very least. I agree with his point of forcing the Inquisitor's hand, but as he is actually active and making gambits while the rest of us mill around waiting for something to happen, I don't want that voice silenced so quickly. Of course, the vote on himself could be his gambit, making himself seem too earnest or too valuable to die, but I'm willing to take that risk and hope that if he is evil, he merely gives us more rope from which to hang himself. I hope I am not wrong, I...constantly trust the wrong people. I also hate choosing someone to die, but it would be more palatable if someone like RayofSunshine died, who has not said anything, instead of Aman with his 14 posts. Then again, I think Ray is a new player and it would be cruel to kill someone before they've even shown up. I don't think I can stoop to that, just yet. I suppose the best actual reason I would have to suspect someone would be the ones thinking to delay the game instead of speeding it along like Aman is trying to do. To that end, I suppose I will put my vote on Fifth. I will be back before the cycle ends to change my vote if necessary.

Honored peers, Greetings, it is good to be among old friends(?) once more. Know that while I have not missed the frenzy of confusion and suspicion that we inevitably devolve into, I have missed you. I have missed you all, and hold some regret on my long absence. It is a pleasure to be with you once again, following the ideas and gambits of better strategists than I. I will, of course, not shirk my duty of thinking for myself and of staying focused. I cannot contribute much, but I will endeavor to be present. On the Inquisitor, I confess to be wildly out of my depth. I have never encountered one, and would never wish to. I am grateful to those who have studied the legends and presented theories on its mysterious powers - I know not what to expect, and cannot contribute anything to its powers or number of spikes. To those who have pushed forward stories, they could be the Inquisitor throwing us off its scent, or simply friends fighting to give us information. On information, there can be no information besides claims of roles today. It would be futile to analyze reads or look for partnering... I don't like the thought of no one else stepping up and only having Aman to lynch, we could... we could... No, I am simply repeating what came before. All this has already been said, and... Lord Ruler, I have nothing to add. I'll... I will return before the day ends to place a vote if necessary - similar to Opal, the day will end while I sleep. Give me the same honor of announcing my death before I sleep. Why am I even here? I would say it is my friends, but... all of you will likely die, or worse, be the ones to betray me... and there is likely nothing I can do to prevent it. Spar, Opal, Eliza...Beattie... I know you all. You are friends, and we are all going to die... Oh Lord Ruler... Riri was right. I should never have come back. - Galen Aurette (Doc)

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To be perfectly honest, being lynched would be something of a relief. I tripped over my feet in this game and have been struggling to catch up since, and I know I've really not done much and I know my votes have not done anything. If you guys decided to lynch me today, I'm sorry to say that I would be fine with that. It's not a good game ethic, I acknowledge that, and I guess this is why this is me vaguely protesting. I'd say that lynching me would be of no use, a mislynch, but my own evidence is obviously not going to do anything. With three eliminators down anyway, there's a good chance of the village winning. In any case, if I'm going to go out, I should at least leave behind my thoughts on each player, as insufficient as my reads might be, in the hopes that I'd have contributed something. Most village: Sart - Was the deciding vote that managed to lynch two elims. Once might be coincidence, twice would be really weird. Fifth Scholar - Was very focused on the Randuir lynch. Dalinar Kholin - Was the first to suggest the Bort lynch when Bort was pretty safely flying under the radar Probably village: Straw - I agree that Rand's strategy seemed to be beginning to lead the village on a mislynch streak on inactives. Straw seems cleared in the light of this. Mr. Doctor - Has been a very vocal and discussion-heavy player, which makes me like him a lot. He's been flip-floppy and uncertain in some of his posts, but that could be just down to inexperience or my own reading of them. I'd be hesitant to promote him to mostly cleared, but he's doing good work right now. I'd need to go look over his posts to be sure. Elandera - I admit I'm liking your posts, you're reasonable and focus on promoting discussion. Coop didn't give us much to go on, so I have nothing on you atm, but I'm hoping you're village.Your mistake about not knowing about the roles of the Elims seems rather genuine, which helps a little in that. Neutral and really ambivalent Walin - He may be neutral, but I agree that at this point we need people to put down votes and take stances. His current stance might be nonalignment indicative but it's going to hurt the village if he's a villager. Val - Man in Black? Maybe? El - On one hand, I'm glad that Rand and Bort didn't get revived and their alignments revealed so quickly, as people really didn't know how to feel on them. On the other, this means that the last two or three elims might be harder to find if she becomes active and starts actively reviving people who are killed. Snipexe - I agree with others that his tunneling seems genuine, I'd like to see how he votes this cycle, with Sart no longer his target. (Ha, it's me too) Unknown Hemalurgic - Hasn't posted enough for a good read. Voted on Rand fairly early though Rath - My impressions seem to be....bandwagony. I may be wrong here, and this is no grounds for suspicion yet, but I'd just be wary. I would note that he did have a chance to switch from Rand but chose not to. Jondesu - pops up every so often with random posts and theories. I'm not sure what to think of him, though I do relate to his posts about being unable to pay enough attention and being willing to get lynched Burnt - Nothing much yet Manukos - Neither As I said, I personally will not put up much defense against being lynched besides the fact that it would be a waste of this cycle, besides the fact that a lynch with only one target doesn't really give much analysis potential. Though...I admit at this point I don't really have much confidence in my reads to be truly suspicious of anyone. I'm sorry. I hope my reads might have been of help to you, and on the event of my death, I propose Jondesu and perhaps Burnt and Manukos for the next target of discussion. Perhaps Snipexe or Mr. Doctor too. Max either needs to become active now or risk forfeiting her win condition by default. The Village still has the giant, which should be helpful. In any case, if this is goodbye, forever, and forever, farewell, my friends. If we do meet again, why, we shall smile. If not, why then, this parting...was well made.

...That's a pretty fast bandwagon. So far, the only real accusation against me is for trying to make the vote closer between Straw and Randuir - here was my reasoning. At that point, I was nursing some healthy suspicion on Randuir, as from my past games with him I knew that my read on him was never accurate. At that point where I voted, the vote was pretty close between Straw and Randuir, and as I stated, between a vocal player who was offering lots of thoughts on people and a lurker, I'd much rather lynch the lurker first. Not only does it keep an active player who encourages discussion in the game, I felt it would shed even more light on Rand's alignment, if Straw had flipped village, I would have been much more confident in lynching Rand. If Straw had flipped elim, it would have helped clear Rand more, as Straw had been largely forgotten at that point. Consider these scenarios. Elim!Straw lynched - Rand becomes more cleared (More information) Village!Straw lynched - Rand looks a lot more guilty (More information) Elim!Rand lynched - We get to check his posts for defenses, distancing and more (More information) Village!Rand lynched - Lost a voice of discussion and have no real target for this cycle - he tried to lynch a lurker, so? (Less information) Drake asked me why I thought lynching Straw was the lesser of two evils, and here is my argument. While I didn't really have much reads on Straw or Rand, and when they seemed equally likely to flip elim for me, I decided that lynching Straw would not only either help to clear or damnation Rand, it would keep an active player in the game. Could he have tried to mislead us? Sure! But I choose to believe that his continuing trail of hedging and misinformation would have eventually tipped us off - it did certainly ring a lot of alarm bells already so far. I just wanted to be sure. As it is, Rand is dead, and people are already able to comb through a wealth of information from his previous posts. That is an excellent thing, and something I have been trying to do myself. I suggest the rest of you who are hopping on the bandwagon do the same.

From what reading I've been trying to do, it seems to me that Eternum/Drake and Dalinar are quite cleared - if it hadn't been for them bringing up Bort as an alternative lynch last day, Bort would have been perfectly safe while Sart or Fifth got lynched. Eternum/Drake was also the first vote on Len, and while voting on one elim could have been coincidence or planned, beingaa decisive factor in two elim deaths pretty much clears him in my opinion. Sart, too, even though his reasons were clearly self preservation, makes it really unlikely for him to be an elim too. I find Walin's stance on not voting really troubling as well, and right now while we have better suspects up for the lynch, I'd be inclined to put him up on lynch. In any case, on the Straw and Rand lynch. I'd be comfortable with lynching Rand, he has done enough analysis on other players that upon his alignment reveal there's a wealth of information to go through. I do dislike the choice being between an active, contributing player and a lurker, though. There's not much against Straw - plenty of people have been popping up and not really saying much. His voting patterns are erratic, and in this cycle is purely a self-preservation vote. There's really not much reason to vote on him other than that. Between a lurking elim and an actively talking elim, I think lynching Straw would be the lesser of two evils, and reveal a bit more about Rand at this point. So, Straw The current vote count goes Rand (5) Fifth, Headshot, Mr. Doc, Rath, Straw Straw (3): Sart, Rand, Jon Walin (1): Drake There's about five hours left in the cycle, and a lot always happens then, so I doubt this is what the final vote count would look like. I'll be honest here, I'm inclined to try and create a tie between Straw and Rand, and letting chance decide. (I'm sure Alv would be properly enthralled by these proceedings) @Drake Marshall, Seeing as Walin is very unlikely to be lynched this cycle, why don't you throw your vote onto one of the leading suspects? I'm interested in making it a close vote. With that. I bid you goodnight, and hope for a favorable result in the morning.

Whee another bandwagon. I apologize for being again unable to come up with the huge analysis posts that I promised myself I'd try to do. Problem with these big LGs is that once you lose your footing, it's really hard to recover and regain momentum. I have been scanning the thread, but haven't been doing much analyzing and honestly don't have many strong reads right now. It's 2AM, and really not a good time to try posting, but if I don't post now, I won't post at all today. Bort, if you want your answer to why I didn't retract my vote, here it is: I was fast asleep, as I always am the last five or six hours before turnover. It feels wrong not to put a vote, but I am dead tired, and any vote now will be without analysis, which would not provide any information for you guys the next night. I'd rather try hard to catch up on the night cycle to have an argument ready for the next day. So....goodnight!

Right, so this post won't be very long, but in *preparation* for this post, I did like two hours of reading... Currently, votes are tied between Randuir and Devotary, this might change in the next five or so hours while I sleep, but this thread has been so quiet... I'm throwing a vote on Devotary, mainly for her action in breaking the tie between Elenion and Sart. I agree that Straw also warrants a closer look, but I'm not going to add yet another person to the tie I would agree that Eternum and Cadcom are soft cleared for now, for voting on Len and sticking to it. The Sart lynch came up rather quickly after those two votes on Len had been established (Snipexe voted on Sart too, but before the first vote on Len, which makes it seem less of a calculated swing than Straw's and Devotary's votes) On Randuir, I honestly can't trust him, not because I have any real elim read on him yet, but because I keep *wanting* to trust him for all his analysis heavy posts and that's dangerous . There is also the fact that in the two games I have been in with Rand, he was evil in both of them, so a lot of the aformentioned two hour reading was going through games where he had been good. I was a little leery of all the analysis he did yet really not much willingness to commit to it, such as his hovering on the fringes on the Bugsy/Elenion discussion, and then his exhaustive thoughts on all the players last round, but after looking around, I'm a little more reassured that's his normal playstyle. I'm not clearing him by any means, but I'm more willing to lynch Devotary than Randuir at this point, especially as Randuir isn't around to defend himself. Hope discussion picks up in the next few hours. There really have been too few people voting.

I'm posting to apologize for my lack of activity last cycle and this one - I have only proceeded to get sicker, and while I have tried my best to keep up to date by reading, I haven't really been feeling up to the two hours or so of work to do analysis and make those big posts I do. I'm still here, and will try to be on tomorrow to vote and analyze and try do be active and engaged, but yeah, apologies for being sick and inactive. Maybe El as Max can give me something for the illness?

Firstly, I'm surprised so much happened while I was asleep (I feel that I should clarify that I'm GMT+8, so the last seven or so hours of the cycle happen while I'm asleep) So Araris got three more votes piled up on him, Bugs and Len continued an argument, and the general consensus (Mr Doctor, Fifth, Rand) concluding that Bugs' first post was NAI. Another significant thing would be Sart coming on and jumped on Roadwalker for his Miracle Max claim, in turn being jumped by Kidpen and Snipexe for that vote. Some analysis on some posts last night - What? Why...? Besides the stated reason - which in itself doesn't make much sense, I notice that this ties the vote between Devotary, Araris and Bugsy, turning it into a four-way tie. I again, don't see much advantage for this except for the fact that it gives Walin an advantage in the tie that would occur - Does this make the chances that the other lynchees would die higher, while still guaranteeing Walin's survival? Just to note - I don't think Len was following Araris specifically, more that he jumped on Randuir's questioning, which brings us to this - Well, no, you didn't do the set up for the vote, but you did vote on Bugs based on what could be perceived as a setup by Randuir, who first mused on Bugsy's post as being oportunistic. So... sure, your vote differed from Bugs in that you didn't do the set-up. It could be argued that a setup by one elim followed by a vote by another elim would be even better of a strategy than the same one posting, and then voting in a later post. Not that this means I think you're an elim just yet, it does seem a little too careless, but... Well, you've never been shy about drawing attention to yourself, have you? In any case, hope you understand where I'm coming from. ^Basically, what Bugs said. And I highlighted the part about Araris just because it was something worth keeping in mind. Awww thanks But why wasn't it alignment indicative? What's alignment indicative for me? Also - note to self to not let Cadmium off the hook completely, they still have not answered to this. I'm waiting for Steel to clarify on this, but Roadwalker and Walin were absolutely in no danger of being lynched, not with that huge vote margin on Araris - why would anyone feel the need to use their items on them? An attempt to get them noticed? Lingering thoughts - While I think the lynch on Araris was the best choice personally, some of the reasons for the other voters are less clear - that of Eternum and Fifth, particularly. Headshot and Mr Doctor's votes were of the "this is the more suspicious of the choices" variety, while my reasons I believe I have given. I think Eternum and Fifth's votes might have just been attempts to prove they were active by skimming the thread and plopping down a vote on an acceptable target, something shared by Kidpen and Snipexe when Sart became an acceptable target, but still... hopefully we'll see more reasoning for your votes next time. I'll end on the note that I am very much open to PMs, and anyone who has not created their PMs yet should consider PMing me - I'm a decent fellow, I promise! Restful night, my friends.