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39 minutes ago, phattemer said:
Randuir, I don’t know what you were reading, but I ensured there wouldn’t be a tie specifically so that there’d need to be a lot of vote manipulation to make a difference.
This is a good start, and I’d like Alv to explain more why exactly he wanted a tie vote- to find out what would happen doesn’t feel like a true explanation.
Agreed. Alv is cognizant enough of a player to realize that a tie vote would be very likely to be manipulated. That he pushed for it anyways seems suspicious to me
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I sort of want to vote on Roadwalker now, since he’s still giving me a bad gut read. I had agreed to give him the benefit of the doubt contingent on testimony by people who had previously played with him, though, and I’ll continue to do so. This does expire after the end of this cycle, however; I’m not giving you immunity forever
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Kyrain shifted restlessly in his formal wear, not at all content with the way the night was looking. His brother had dragged him along to the event he was currently attending, and he was having far from a fun, or even comfortable, time. His night had begun well enough, with his brother bringing over a number of women for him to dance with, all of them women to whom he was a potential courter. He supposed another man might have called them attractive, but he wasn’t too interested in things like that. He’d always felt that it was ridiculous to value beauty in courtship; the windows in House Lekal’s Keep were supremely beautiful, but he didn’t wish to court them. The dancing had been nice, posing a distraction from the boredom that predominated his life, but the queue had quickly exhausted itself. He was, after all, the youngest nephew of Lord Arryn; it wasn’t as if his hand in marriage was too desireable a prospect.
He sat alone, now, at a table, lost in thought as he gazed through the tinted glass at the mists beyond. The ball today was a veneer of normalcy, a facade of stability in the face of the unknown, but that wasn’t true at all. Just the day before, in fact, they had discovered Skaa among the noble houses, serving as infiltrators for the ever mocked and ineffective rebellion in the north. It was he thought, startling, not that the Skaa had attempted to infiltrate the nobility, but rather that they had gone so long without being detected. After all, as the ministry taught, they were little more than beasts of burden, pretending at humanity like a child playing dress up in his father's clothes. The rest, assuming there were any, wouldn’t take long to round up.
Rae, I’ve got some ideas for how to go forward in this RP. You ok if I just go for it, or would you like to confer first?
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1 hour ago, Drake Marshall said:
I note an early spurt of votes on me. Most interesting.
The first one, from phattemer, I completely understand. It is a poke vote to get the game moving, and I applaud the notion (although unless you have serious reason to keep the vote on me, I will point out that you have succeeded in drawing me into the conversation).
The second one, from Bugsy, seems like straight bandwagonning, and while I understand that we need a D1 lynch, I refuse to be on the recieving end of that unless you can present me with some kind of proper reason for it.
I will not retract my vote if you retract yours on me.
I will retract my vote if you better explain yours on me.
I’d be happy to explain, Drake. A poke vote is, in this game, effectively meaningless. Starting a vote chain on a lynched Skaa earns a ton of merit, so people will want to start their own votes on people. Poke votes, in that manner, become toothless. Yes, I was bandwaggoning, and I’ll own up to it. The difference from normal bandwagoning is that I openly said I’d remove my vote if you responded, and as you can see I’m sticking to it. That shows that, unlike a normal bandwagon, it’s not just an attempt to get an easily excused lynch. It is, rather, an attempt to lend credence to Phatt’s attempt to exert pressure.
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1 hour ago, randuir said:
Bugsy, I might be reading too much into this, but are you suggesting that the Skaa won't have mistings? And if so, what makes you think that?
That’s not what I was suggesting, no, merely that if kill orders are motivated by the power you can steal rather than actual suspicion, we’ll ultimately wind up doing poorly. If one house targets the Mistings of another, that house will see themselves targeted in turn, in what amounts to an escalating level of conflict.
11 minutes ago, DroughtBringer said:House docs can not be spied on.
I’m not sure that’s strictly true. There are skaa, after all
Hm. Can the skaa doc be spied on? Can a tineye spy on which docs a person accesses in a given cycle? That could give us a way to catch the Skaa, and since it’s not spying on the content it doesn’t seem as if it’d be explicitly prohibited.
2 hours ago, Roadwalker said:I assume we have one Atium misting, and possibly a mistborn. Those will find skaa.
It seems I missed this part of your post earlier. This is a very dangerous assumption to make. If we do even have either of those roles, there’s no guarantee that they aren’t Skaa, and even if both are present and they’re both noblemen, there’s no guarantee they’ll take care of the Skaa for us. If that were possible, the Skaa would have no chance from the start, which would ruin game balance almost certainly. If I had a better grasp of your play style, I’d even venture so far as to say this was suspicious or an attempt to deflect attention from the Skaa. Someone who has played with Roadwalker recently, is this indicative of their usual playstyle, or is my gut right that this seems suspicious?
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1 hour ago, Roadwalker said:
@DroughtBringer thoughts on hemalurgy?
I don’t care what Drought says in response, no one should try Hemarulgy. We all lose unless we stop the Skaa, and murdering the most effective mistings will only hurt in those efforts. We don’t want to begin a war of escalation, and if we can agree to a truce on this front it will help us all.
Besides, by my best guess, the preciseness needed for Hemarulgy and the lack of knowledge our characters would have on a basis of lore means there’d be no way for it to work anyways, unless someone explicitly has a Hemarulgist role.
In terms of other strategy, I’d say we should try to avoid infighting. Right now, the Skaa have an advantage on us, and that advantage is primarily in terms of information. Whatever has been shared in the various house docs is doubtless already in the Skaa doc, and we still have no actionable intelligence as to who the Skaa are. Tineyes, don’t reveal your role until you’ve scanned an eliminator, and then do so only to a trusted confidant or two. Don’t do so in the doc, since you’ll reveal yourself to the Skaa. You’re our best chance to figure out Skaa players at the moment (besides, of course, post analysis), so I’d much prefer you don’t die.
Now, I agree that we need to start voting. Sorry about this, Drake Marshall, but I want to add a sense of urgency to the vote Phatt posted. Once you respond, I’ll revoke my vote.
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> Steeldancer hears actions can be submitted based on your character
> Steeldancer has idea
> Steeldancer suddenly changes character to a girl
...On a completely unrelated note, I’m ace and therefore not prone to being affected by any of Steeldancer’s feminine wiles
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1 minute ago, phattemer said:
A Sanderson Elimination game, you say?
*strokes beard*
I haven't seen one of those in a long, long time.
But in all seriousness, I've finally found free time and inspiration, so I'll go ahead and participate as Lutha Erikell, a woman with much to hide and few places to put it.
Good to have you back, Phatt! This looks like it'll be a good game to start back up on
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18 minutes ago, randuir said:
Given how quiet it has gotten here, I assume I'm the only one still waiting for my order of Oathbringer to arrive?
Kindle edition is the way to go, you can read it the instant it’s released
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Will each house be given a doc? Will skaa be spread out between houses or consolidated into one? Will the skaa be given a doc as well? Do skaa earn their houses favor for the RP, etc? Do houses know how much favor they have at any given time?
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35 minutes ago, Arraenae said:
Can non-allomancers send in actions like "I want to loudly trashtalk Locke and enrage him to the point where any offensive action he sends in will automatically be redirected to me?"
I like this idea. Maybe it requires relevant RP to be submitted?
Also, I’m in. Name and character tbd. (You convinced me, BR :P)
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¡Bienvenido, Val!
It's good to see you on the forums! Also, I agree that you should read worm. I already made you your channel and everything, it'd be a pity if it went to waste
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5 hours ago, Gigalemesh said:
So energy is created, but investiture was already expended in creating that mass, so is investiture constantly being consumed as that mass exerts a force on everything in the universe?
Sort of, yes. Perhaps an alternative is that connection between objects is dependent on the objects' respective investitures, so a transformation of investiture to mass on one planet would correspondingly lessen the amount of investiture stored in its connection to every other celestial object, resulting in a net of no energy change.
But the coin was given investiture by the coinshot, and when it no longer has any, that investiture wasn't used up, it returns to the spiritual realm (at least that's my understanding), so from a broader perspective energy was still created without a net loss in investiture.
I'd be interested in seeing if that's true. That was my understanding as well, but I can't seem to find any evidence for it myself. What we do know is that the metals which are burned provide a gateway to investiture rather than being investiture themselves, so perhaps some of that mass is consumed to produce the energy they can use to push. It would explain why flaring costs more metal than a low burn. I am aware, of course, that a perfect mass->energy conversion would produce an astronomical excess of energy, but maybe it's inefficient and most of the metal is merely vaporized
Have we seen any means by which energy can be converted back into investiture? That's sort of my whole problem, there is no implication that investiture can run out, and it is definitely used to create energy, but there is no evidence of that energy becoming investiture again. Unless shards are "harvesting" ambient energy from their worlds equivalent to that created by magic, either their investiture would run out, or investiture isn't used up when creating energy.
If investiture can be made into mass, as it is in the case of atium and shardblades, it must inherently be possible for the opposite to be true (mass->investiture) simply because, as you say, investiture isn't used up when making and then burning atium, it merely returns to Ruin over time. Since mass and energy are convertible to one another, mass->investiture implicitly necessitates energy->investiture. I suppose one could argue Atium and Shardblades are merely different types of mass than normal mass which is why they're convertible, but I'm not sure I'd buy into that.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself very well but I just don't see how there can be absolute conservation of energy/investiture/mass
Yeah, it's difficult to see, but we know it's true via WoB (since, in the one Argent linked, Brandon acknowledged conversion between mass, energy, and investiture, and we additionally know there can't be a net gain in the system since investiture cannot be created nor destroyed). As such, I'm just trying to postulate ways that could be possible.
5 hours ago, Gigalemesh said:Just want to say I'm sorry if I'm coming across rude or aggressive, that's totally not my intention, just trying to wrap my head around all this stuff, and getting a bit excited about getting a chance to discuss it
Don't worry, I didn't interpret it that way at all.
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4 hours ago, Gigalemesh said:
That's an interesting way of thinking about the problem, however I'm of the opinion that we just can't assume something being impossible in real physics makes it impossible in the cosmere. This will result in stuff like energy being created, but I don't think it is possible to create a universal set of rules to make these things work out. I know Brandon's magics are very science-like, but at their core they are still magic and I think that will result in things like breaking the conservation of energy.
With something like a coinshot, the way I see it isn't that investiture is converted to kinetic energy, rather investiture is used to create that energy and then the investiture disperses and returns to preservation/harmony.
I can't really specifically address the way you've set stuff out as it's a bit confusing to me. I study engineering so I understand the physics of a coin in flight, but I don't understand what you mean by the investiture of the planet being converted into mass.
So yeah my opinion is that physical laws are just broken, obviously just an opinion but I really don't think you'd be able to explain all forms of magic in a way that preserves these things
Well, since we do know energy and mass and investiture are interchangeable, infinite production of energy must be impossible given that investiture cannot be created or destroyed. Otherwise, one could systematically create energy and convert it to investiture. And what I'm saying is that investiture does not warp spacetime on the physical plane, so it's not contributing to a planet's gravitational well, but if said investiture then forms mass it begins to do so. An object thrown into the air before such a conversion will reach a maximum height dependent on the planet's initial g value, and this height will then be used to calculate a new GPE of the object based on a constant m and h value to before the transformation and a greater g value, meaning the GPE of the object inherently increased.
4 hours ago, Argent said:Investiture on the surface of the planet is what @Bugsy6912 said. I assume this is a case of, for example, manifesting a physical object out of Investiture - an atium nugget, or a Shardblade.
The thing is, I agree with pretty much everything in this analysis, but not necessarily because of the analysis itself. We have seen multiple WoBs throughout the years that essentially say that while in our universe matter and energy can be converted between each other, in the Cosmere this conversion goes threeway - matter, energy, and investiture. Here's (an excerpt of) one such WoB, for example:
So a lot of the stuff in the write-up is trivially true to me. Another example you could've used is the once-infamous-but-now-mostly-forgotten Terris Wheel:
(here's another version of it)
So yeah, a lot of what looks to us like physics-breaking infinite energy situations work just fine in the Cosmere because you have this massive reserve of often freely usable energy in the form of Spiritual investiture.
Hm. That's interesting, I hadn't seen those. Thank you!
3 hours ago, Gigalemesh said:This seems to imply that the conversion to mass in some way affects (effects?) gravity which is more than a nugget of atium or a shardblade is capable of. Obviously I'm not understanding something.
Those quotes do seem to say there is a conservation, so maybe I'm wrong, but I still feel there are situations where energy is created.
The coinshot is a good example, let's saying going horizontally so gravity isn't a big component, the coin is imparted with kinetic energy, which is then lost to air friction, and likely noise, heat, and deformation when the coin hits a wall or the ground. So all the energy it was given has been converted to other natural forms of energy not back into investiture, but we are told investiture isn't "used up" in this process, it's channelled by the allomancer and returns to the spiritual realm. So energy was definitely added into the world such that there is no clear way for it to become investiture again, but investiture isn't depleted. So energy has been added to the world without a loss of investiture. The only other possiblity is that heat, noise, and other natural forms of energy are randomly converting back to investiture to maintain the balance.
Personally I feel like this isn't an issue, it is magic after all, though it could have interesting consequences once people are scientifically advanced enough to be aware of these things. Brandon likes to use physics to explain things in his magic, but that doesn't mean everything has to obey real-world laws.
Any amount of mass, no mater how small, exercises gravitational pull. That means that yes, even a bead of atium will cause the object in the air to gain some minuscule amount of GPE. This obviously won't be enough to actually harness the resulting energy and be at all efficient, but that any energy is created means it must come from somewhere else. In your example, for instance, we might expect that the coin on which the coinshot pushes loses investiture as it draws away from the invested coinshot, meaning its kinetic energy growing sees a resultant decrease in its spiritual energy. I, of course, have no idea if that's right; it's honestly sort of baseless conjecture. That said, we know the energy must come from somewhere, and there are only so many possible sources
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One of the most important - and least understood - elements of the Cosmere is the nature of investiture. Our universe is, at its most fundamental level, simply the interactions of mass and energy, and the introduction of investiture poses an incredible divergence from this. We have few guidelines from which we can base our observations on this issue, although more will hopefully be revealed as time goes on. What we currently know includes the following:
- Investiture can become kinetic energy (as seen in the powers of coinshots)
- Investiture can become mass (as energy can be converted to mass)
- Investiture can remain investiture but take the form of mass (as seen in Atium or Lesarium)
- Investiture can become electromagnetic energy (as seen in the way stormlight glows)
- Investiture cannot be created nor destroyed, merely redistributed [1]
- By means of 1, 2 and 5, mass and energy can become investiture, as investiture cannot be lost and therefore any conversion to mass or energy must be reversible
A newly introduced WoB may shed some further light on the subject. It is as follows:
Q: Does investiture warp spacetime like objects with mass/energy do in our world
A: Yes - but the warping is not on the physical realm
This introduces some troubling dilemmas. One is that this seemingly allows for the introduction of infinite energy. Imagine, for example, an object being shot into the air. As it moves up, it loses kinetic energy and gains gravitational potential energy. The amount of kinetic energy it has at the start (.5mv^2) must equal the gravitational energy at its peak (mgh). If we allowed it to reach its maximum h value where v equals 0, however, and then converted investiture on the surface of the planet into mass, the value of g suddenly increases and energy has spontaneously been created. This is impossible under the laws of our real universe, and is likewise presumably impossible in the Cosmere. Where, then, is this energy coming from?
With the increase in gravitational energy, there is a clear growth of energy in the physical realm. That means energy must be lost in either the cognitive or spiritual realms. I propose, then, that objects are spiritually pulled to planets or other places with high investiture concentrations in an analogue to a gravitational well. This is supported by some observations from Secret History, such as Kelsier’s inability to leave the highly invested Well or later leave Scadrial itself. As the object rises from the investiture-heavy planet, its spiritual aspect weakens as it spends investiture to escape the planet’s spiritual gravitational well. When the investiture at the planet is then converted to mass and the object falls back to earth, the lost spiritual investiture is reformed as kinetic energy in the falling object. The energy within the object remains constant, as it loses kinetic energy and spiritual investiture when rising, then gains a kinetic energy equivalent to the sum of the lost values as it falls.
I of course don't presume to know all of the ramifications while still in my second year of physics, so those of you who know better than me are more than welcome to issue corrections as needed. I hope this can spark some more insight into the world Sanderson has sculpted!
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Read warbreaker, and then reread the bit at the end of WoR. You may catch something important. I'd say what, but spoilers
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Hey! Welcome to the forums, it's always great to have a new person around. What books have you read so far? Which were your favorites?
Oh, and if someone offers you cookies, you may want to consider running in terror
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Hello! It'll be great to have a SE bot up and running, and the project sounds really cool. I'm a novice coder myself, and if there's some way I could help I'd be willing to at any point after May 5th (My schedule is booked until then). What language is the bot in? I likely wouldn't know it (I know Python, C++, Git, and web design languages), but I can try to learn
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I apologize to everyone here for my recent inactivity. Unfortunately, I can't promise I'll be more active with my approaching AP Exams. I can, however, promise an effort
That said, I skimmed the last cycle or so, and I agree with Wilson's assessment on Hero. From his behavior, especially as described by her, is suspicious. I would, however, be interested in hearing a defense
Edit: Aaaaand I was ninja'd. I'll try to post my response to hero's defense soon
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2 hours ago, Jondesu said:
Bugsy, you're reading kinda Elim to me, though, with that talk of placing the vote on Drake simply because of DA's analysis, but not stating any of your other reads except Drought. Talking about someone else having a list of suspicions but not sharing them, but then mostly doing the same, strikes me as very odd.
I fail to see how my actions are similar. Lopen prejustified a list of suspicions saying they were all gut reads, and has shown repeated willingness to vote based on this hidden list that none of us get to see. I, meanwhile, have said that I no longer trust my gut reads, which formed the entirety of my suspicions, and as a result I have none beyond those backed by arguments like the one DA presented. I don't have a list of suspicions I'm preemptively justifying and refusing to share; rather, I've essentially said that as it stands, any suspicion I have must be backed by evidence. As far as I see, that's close to the opposite.
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2 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said:
Ok, I can finally get back and make myself be active again XD. Here are my thoughts on the following players. Think of this post as making up for me being inactive. You guys better appreciate the amount of time I spent on this!
Arinian - Alrin
@Arinian Made some logical and clear moves during this game. He has joked a fair bit during this game. And after looking back on the previous games he has played, he has never spoken as lightly as he has this game, perhaps he's just growing more comfortable, perhaps he's covering something. He has said
Maybe some of his eliminatorness has seeped into the main thread as well
He has placed and removed votes on people a few times, perhaps on order of his elim buddies. Made a few eh reasons for them as well.
I am leaning towards Elim Right nowJondesu - Remarts
Call me weird, but for some reason I feel like @Jondesu might be a Tineye heh.
Anyway, Jondesu has been going through alot of real life problems during this game (Respect for playing bro). So far he has posted a little analysis and contributed a little during this game, and a fair bit of RP. During Day 2 he picked up on activity, having been fairly consistent during the game.
I have a neutral read on him
Elenion - Roger Elariel
@Elenion's messages have been extremely annoying me this game, idk why, maybe it's the overuse of High Imperial that make him sound annoying, or the fact he said he would post translations of them (for others) then failed to do so consistently.
Brooo, at least use it right
He hasn't contributed much to the game, has voted on inactives using the "Crusade" as an excuse, then during the later stages starts contributing in a meaningful way. Said you were sleep deprived, so there may be a factor to your lack of contribution to discussion.
Right now, he is in neutral territory with a possibility of being elim
Drake Marshall - Serray
Ok, so @Drake Marshall has been very helpful and active this game, points in your favour. He is one of the newer players so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's proposed plans and things as well.
This throws me off a little, far more confronting and self-aware than his other posts. So I have suspicions he may be an Elim, but I am willing to overlook it.
And then I come across this which throws Drake wildly into the Elim zone.
Mate, you yourself proposed we pay attention to changes in game style...
And right after those moments of flashing warning lights, Drake seems to go back to his "normal" style.
Elim screaming right here. Likeliest Inquisitor right now.
Randuir - Magister Agemtsar
@randuir, one of the sneakier players
. Good RP, very good analysis. LG30 must be taken into account, but I'm willing to bet he is Villager. (I'm very tired and not bothered looking up all his posts after he went inactive)
Magestar - David Agemtsar
@Magestar Active/inactive on and off. Not enough to get a solid read on him. Seems a little detached from the game.
Herowannabe - Herwynbe
@Herowannabe. Either one of the biggest threats or the biggest ally. Played in the original LG2, so has a fair bit of experience with this system and game-style. I'm willing to bet he is villager for now, but there is always the chance that the Inquisitor chose him for converting. He definitely didn't start off as the Inquisitor in my opinion.
(Loved those Tineye messages btw, respect)
Yitzi2 - Garshin
Great first impression
@Yitzi2. I don't get an Elim read from you right now, but that could change
Metacognition
@Metacognition Could have been a valuable asset. Too bad inactive. Neutral read. Hasn't come online for a bit. Come and help us out
Silverblade5 - Ryth
@Silverblade5 Suspiciously inactive, has posted on other areas of the Shard (yesterday). Worth looking at should he become active again.
Arraenae - Rhea
@Arraenae, A little erratic at the start but I would place that on your Insomnia (Know how that feels heh) Quickly falls into a rythm as the game. Some turns spent mainly doing RP than analysis and contributing, but I've done that as well, so I'm willing to overlook it. Villager read.
TheMightyLopen - Sidon
@TheMightyLopen Been consistent with his posting, inputting where he can, rather than analysing, something I can understand. Grows active last cycle and places suspicions out there. Strong Village read.
little wilson - Willie Klara
@little wilson, wilson, wilson. Another massive threat/ally here. Probably the person who understands the rules the best after Meta. Strong start, lots of activity, analysis and brainstorming. Slowly started lessening activity (probably for the best:P). Villager read on her as well, though again, the Inquisitor may have converted her, or will plan to. She definitely didn't start off as the Inquisitor.
Iamspartacus - Astrid the Bold
@IamspartacusSadly hasn't posted anything
Ornstein - Winkleton
@Ornstein I have no clue who this is, I don't know anything about them or anything so I reserve my judgement for anything he/she posts after this. Hasn't posted much of anything. Nothing longer than 2 lines. Newbie so one of the things to be expected.
Araris Valerian - Wol
@Araris Valerian Hasn't been active since last Thursday. Hopefully will pick up soon, so I can get a read on him
OmeGaster - Rieyun
@OmeGaster Also hasn't been active since last Thurday...
Kipper - Elenion
@Kipper Fairly active, has contributed a little. Don't see why an Elim would choose to convert him however, and I doubt he started off as Inquisitor.
Yes, good point. Should anyone do anything like this then let us be suspicious of them!
Bugsy - Jelwynd
@Bugsy6912 I've seen you active on the discord
Come and join us and stop lurking! "Eh" read.
Figberts - Quond
@Figberts Has been fairly active, a little 50/50 on the read, but I'm willing to bet he's a villager.
Mark IV - The Follower
@Mark IV Welcome back
Glad to see you active and about, helping out and contributing. (Gods I'm tired now...)
Village read. Sure. WHy not?
Manukos - Reval
@Manukos Not inactive, but not active either. Post more bro! We want to hear what you have to say. Neutral read.
Aonar Faileas - Vana Izenry
@Aonar Faileas Is starting to be active again, keep it up yeah? I will analyse what you said just then after this heh. From what I *have* seen, I have a villager read.
Stay active! We want to hear what you have to say
Ecthelion - Amnar
(AH GODS FINALLY). @Ecthelion III Let's see. Refuses to ship with me. Lynch him bois.
jk
Was active at the start sort of, but went inactive. Might pick up again soon tho right?
*blinks blearily.
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Conversion and a snap. *sigh, May the odds be ever in our favour...XD, it's a little status quo right now...
Ha. Highlighted it cos of those spaces in front of the commas that were triggering me XD.
Here's what I got.
Ofralllilluminationrwhichnhumanrreason cansgive,snoneaisrcomparablelto therdiscoverylof whatrwenare,roursroles,sour loyalties,awhatrfeatslofrtrickerynwe arercapablesof,sandawhatrwe willldorinnorderrtosdrive thesspikedaout
hmm.
11 "r"s
5 "l"s
4 "n"s
3 "a"s . First Thing I notice is that they seem to get smaller downwards heh XD. 5+4=9, +3=12. Someone check if I counted that stuff right.
I'm slightly delirious so someone check over this and see if I made any mistakes, and perhaps work something out using what I found heh.Storms I'm too tired now, I will analyse this turn's posts and do some RP in the morning perhaps. Good night.
While I find your detailed analysis very impressive, I disagree with your assessment of Arinian. You say he might have been working in conjunction with "his elim buddies", but with the way this game was structured he wouldn't have had any fellow Elims until he (or whoever the inquisitor is) just converted one. I hadn't originally thought the same of Drake, but you make a rather compelling argument. He's moved to the top of my suspicions now.
9 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:Y'know, if you respond so fast, I can't just leave my vote on you.
Aonar, sounds good.
Bugsy is next on the list(a very real list that exists). Any suspicions?
Just putting this out there, but the fact that someone Snapped means it's fairly likely the converted player was a Misting, correct? I mean, it's possible that it was just a random Snapping, but it's a higher chance that it was caused by the conversion, I think. Does this mean the player who Snapped should tell someone what role they got so we can try and figure out who lost their role? I'm not sure how many players have roleclaimed yet, but we might have gotten lucky and can figure it out by simply asking those with that specific role to prove they still have it, if that's possible.
Edit: Praise the Ja!
A couple nights ago, I reread the entire thread and looked for any suspicions. The biggest one was Drought, who is clearly not an elim. That was based on a gut read. I'm not too confident in the rest of my gut reads as a result, all of which were significantly weaker than the one on Drought. I'm going to place a vote on Drake for now because DAs analysis regarding him seems solid.
Also, can we see your 'very real list' of suspicions? Having a secret list of suspicions composed entirely of gut reads has the potential to be an excellent elim tool, because the person could justify any vote by saying the suspect is "next on the list"
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28 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:
Alright, I'm actually going to bed now, but at least there's two bright sides that came out of this: no one active died, and Sart now has more time to run the next MR.
The dead guy is running something called an 'MR'?
Jelwynd scratched his head in confusion. This must be more of that allomancy talk. Unless he was missing something. He had spent most of the past cycle sleeping off the thug-sized dose of whatever they'd used to get everyone here. He'd only caught pieces of what was said, but was determined to catch up. "What did I miss?" he asked the nearest person blearily
Sorry everyone, real life has been getting in the way of my ability to dedicate enough attention to this game. Teachers apparently assign a lot of homework and exams in the week leading up to spring break so they have the extra time to grade them and can submit the grades in time for the semi-semester progress reports. On the bright side, 2 of the 3 projects due this week and 4 of the 7 tests have already happened, so I should have more time coming up. I'm going to read the backlog as soon as possible to catch up as much as I can
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30 minutes ago, Elenion said:
Ising the Inquisitor the having of special powers? Ising the hearing of references to that regard, but ising the not seeing of it in the rules.
Meta, wasing the GMing of LG2, right? Ising the having of any guesses about the number of conversions the Inquisitor ising having?
Ising the being of normal English:
Does the Inquisitor have special powers? I keep hearing people referencing them, but I don't see anything in the rules to that regard.
Meta, you GMed LG2, right? Have any guesses as to how many conversions the Inquisitor is packing?
You clearly know that this game is essentially a rerun of LG2, yet you apparently didn't read the rules of that game (despite them having been mentioned multiple times in thread, I might add). I'm confused as to why that would be. Care to clarify, @Elenion? I'm slightly suspicious of you, as it currently stands.
@Amanuensis, I'm on mobile and too tired to reformat your earlier post to quote the section I want to answer, but I feel as if the Inquisitor will be primarily focused on getting roleclaims in PMs to try and find good converts, and will try to avoid attention in-thread by posting infrequently or with medium frequency
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Jelwynd awoke, groggy. His head pounded. Where was he? He looked around, and found himself in a small, windowless room with ornate decor. A potted plant, different from the usual brown, sat nearby. It must have been cultivated especially for decoration. For some reason, his mind locked onto the plant until he felt as if he had to look closer. He lurched up from the cot he had been laid on, hobbled over to the plant, and promptly threw up all over it with the exertion. What was happening to him? This thought echoed in his brain for awhile as it shook off the cobwebs that came with a prolonged slumber and searing headache. I must have been drugged, he eventually concluded. This suspicion was only confirmed when he discovered a note in the room speaking of his kidnapping by Tekiel. Why would the man do this? He was headed here anyways. A better question, why would the man use such painful dosages of drugs on the 'guests' he had invited if he wanted them to be able to compete in any way? A brief flash of pain entered his mind along with this new question, but he eventually found the answer with the help of some tapped zinc. Rusts, he thought. They gave me a thug's dose. His head continued to throb in pain as he laid back down. I'm going to need to sleep this off
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Long Game 40: Ashen Rebellion
in Sanderson Elimination
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From what I know of Alv, him trying to obtain a tie fits well with his playstyle and would be NAI. That said, I’m not confident that’s what he was actually trying to do. I doubt Alv would forget to account for vote manipulation, especially in a game we can assume would be rather heavy with it.
On thinking about this issue further, I suppose it’s possible that he was trying to protect someone other than Drake, or if he were protecting Drake it’s possible that it was because they were housemates, rather than co conspirators. I’d agree that it’s NAI overall, although my gut wants to say it’s suspicious. I’ll be keeping a closer eye on him, and plan on looking over the chain of votes more closely when I get the time