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  1. Your "Standards X is correct" has another possibility attached to it... Standards X is correct. Standards X is universally correct, but to err is human. Whether as a result of a lack of willpower, being overcome with lust (for whatever - sex, power, money, ease, or pleasure), or an excess of pride; we have all compromised our own personal morals - including but not limited to Standards X - from time to time. It's not always indicative of a belief that the standards don't apply to oneself or others, just personal weakness.
  2. So, as I read Chapter 31 and met the "Flying Fused" (trademark pending) - the voidbringers who chased Kaladin into the air - I had to remind myself which two surges Windrunners had again. Well I keep a folder on my PC with all kinds of pics, charts, and the like related to Cosmere novels. When I went digging for a surgebinding chart, I also came across something I downloaded in 2014 named "Voidbinder Chart." Then I realized that the symbols on that chart matched one that I had misnamed as "Surgebinding Chart." So I realized that it was actually a VOIDBINDING CHART! I have attached both files for your viewing pleasure. ← Voidbinder Forms ← Surgebinder Types / KR Orders Kaladin's exploits in Chapter 31 show us that there is a voidbinder analog to windrunners (or Skybreakers). You'll notice that the surge glyphs on the voidbinding chart corrupt the symmetry of the surge glyphs on the surgebinding chart by bisecting them along the vertical axis, rotating the left side along the horizontal axis, and putting them back together. For example... The idea being that there is a relationship between voidbinding and surgebinding. I'm suggesting that the relationship is that each of the magic systems operate along similar pathways resulting in a similar expression of the magic. The difference is what is powering the magic, or in more precise terms, whose investiture is powering the magic. However, no matter where it comes from something about Roshar is going to force the investiture to follow along a predetermined pathway. I imagine this is similar to how some appliances can accept batteries or power via an AD/DC adapter, no matter how the electrons are supplied, they will be sent through the circuitry to achieve the same result (of course there's no alternative to electrons when powering electrical appliances, whereas there are 16 different sources of investiture in the Cosmere). So, maybe a Mistborn example would be better... Highlight for Mistborn spoiler: Ruin's investiture (via hemalurgy) affected metal in ways that were in line with the powers granted by Preservation's investiture (via allomancy) on Scadrial; that is, you have to use a steel spike to steal a coinshot's abilities and you have to use a copper spike to steal memories. There are some oddities, but you get my point. There's also a blending of the two shards' investiture that resulted in a balanced blend of both powers (i.e. Feruchemy). So, similar to the Mistborn magics, the Rosharan magics operate along similar lines no matter which Shard's investiture is powering the magic. Obviously there will be important differences between the magic powered by the blended investiture of Honor & Cultivation (i.e. surgebinding) and that powered by Odium's investiture (voidbinding). I suspect that voidbinding is the literal opposite of surgbinding (it accomplishes the same effect in a opposite manner - if surgebinding pushes, then voidbinding pulls and vice versa - but that's a different post. The question is whether voidbinding is the analog of Feruchemy (a mix of all three shards' investiture) - a result that works well assuming that the voidspren are corrupted or fallen radiant spren - or whether voidbinding is the analog of Hemalurgy (the magic that comes from only/mostly Odium's investiture). Regardless, I think I've proved a solid connection between voidbinding and surgebinding and that it should result in voidbinders resembling surgebinders. Again, the flying voidbringers in chapter 31 strongly support that conclusion. However, that leaves two "problems"... One is the yellow spren and the other is which surgebinders resemble StormForm. I don't think the yellow spren is a problem so much as it supports my theory. Let's put the questions about her to bed... That leaves the question of which order of the KR is analogous to StormForm. Well, my best guess is that StormForm is likely to match the powers of the Dustbringers/Releasers. StormForm released the Everstorm. Lightning isn't that different from fire and the essence associated with Chach is spark. However, I'm not completely sure that I'm right because we haven't seen much from Malata yet. Here are my best guesses: 1. Windrunners → ??? 2. Skybreakers → Smokeform - Kaladin's pursuers in Ch. 31 3. Dustbringers → Stormform * 4. Edgedancers → ??? 5. Truthwatchers → Nightform 6. Lightweavers → Mediationform 7. Elsecallers → Scholarform (?) This may or may not be a form of power. 8. Willshapers → ??? 9. Stonewards → Decayform * 10. Bondsmiths → ??? * Stormform could very easily be the Bondsmith analog with the storms and stuff; they also seem to be guiding/leading the non-Fused parshmen in Ch. 31 * I'm really not sure who matches up with Decayform since the details about them are so vague in the song about them from WoR. I based by guess on this line: "Watch where you walk, your toes to tread. O'er hill or rocky riverbed" It just sounds like stone/walking on stone is involved here. That's it. Let me know what you think!
  3. Theylenah was a trick play. Your question is like asking why - after a sack on a flea-flicker play - the Patriots have any hope of defeating the Browns. The whole hope of winning at Theylenah rested on converting Dalinar into Odium's Champion, turning Sadeas' soldiers into Odium's footsoldiers, a surprise attack by thunderclasts, and depriving the remaining forces of their Navy. With Dalinar, on his side, Odium would surely have won (as the remaining Radiants would have run out of stormlight and been reduced to ordinary sharbearers without plate).
  4. theory

    Isn't that his exact problem? Kelsier doesn't have a body. He needed Spook to help him out with Hemalurgy + some blending of the metallic arts to achieve immortality. This is why we see him as "the Sovereign" with a spiked eye, I suspect. This has to be the Scadrian equivalent to whatever the Fused are doing on Roshar. Also, don't forget that - prior to his brief Ascension - Kel is referred to by Nazh as a shadow.
  5. This is an amusing, but somewhat confusing, joke. The humor is in the fact that both young Dalinar & Tonk Fah like to hurt people.
  6. OK, so if Brandon is 42 as of December 2017, and Stormlight 4 is published in 2020, then that makes our beloved Creator of the Cosmere 45 years old (give or take 3 months) at the publication of Stormlight 4. Brandon has 6 Stormlight books to go, and they are taking about 3 years to produce (without allowing for a break in between the first 5 Stormlight books and the last 5). That makes Brandon 63 years old (even without a break). I'm starting to worry that much of the Cosmere won't be completed. After all, we have all of these left... Stormlight #4 & #5 Stormlight #6 - #10 Mistborn era 3 Mistborn era 4 (?) Warbreaker 2 Elantris 2 Silence Divine Threnody novel Aether of Night Sixth of the Dusk 2 Dragonsteel Now we learn that Brandon is writing two other non-cosmere trilogies (i.e. Skyward & Apocalypse Guard) plus Dark One and Alcatraz 2. I'm sure these will be great, but I just want to finish the story of the Cosmere before Brandon (or myself) dies. I liked the Reckoners series well enough, but I would have much preferred to have received The Lost Metal (Wax & Wayne #4) sooner. Will any others join with me in hopes that Sanderson will drop (at least) Apocalypse Guard in favor of something from the list above?
  7. Since hydrogen fluoride (HF) is a byproduct of the primary industrial process used to create aluminum (i.e. Hall–Héroult process) it makes me wonder if Brandon knows (or was influenced by the effect that hydrofluoric acid has on human tissue. Brandon's descriptions of lifeless in WB and of what happens to limbs that are cut by a shardblade sound a lot like how tissue that comes into contact with hydrofluoric acid is affected.
  8. drawings

    So, for posterity's sake... JEZRIEN ↓ VEDEL ↓ ISHAR ↓ ASH ↓
  9. In reading @Subvisual Haze's post (link), I was reminded of a theory/connection that has at various times popped up in my head at times I was away from these forums. Read these words from the linked post and re-join me below: I'll keep it simple... this sounds A LOT like Lessie/Paalm talking about "strong emotion" in Shadows of Self. The way Subvisual Haze describes the process of drawing Neragoul to himself sounds a lot like rioting & soothing the emotions of Kandra and Koloss to control them. I'm not 100% on what the connection between this similarity in the magic systems is, but I'm drawn to the suspicion that the red haze Sazed shows Wax in Bands of Mourning has something to do with Odium. Given what we know from the Letters in OB, specifically letter #2, I think this is supporting evidence for Trell being "a new avatar of [Autonomy's] being." As it is commonly supposed that Bavadin/Autonomy is the author of that letter. So, I think the Set is a secret society patterned after a secret society like the Ghostbloods on Roshar that are planet-hopping disciples led by Autonomy's new avatar and supported by the spren of Odium (and maybe even an Unmade or two). I propose that Odium - in his fear of Harmony - has enlisted Autonomy as a partner to murder Sazed. Harmony - as a holder of two shards and as an intent - is likely anathema to Autonomy and he is a potential threat to Odium. Hoid's first letter in Way of Kings already establishes a precedent for an association of some sort between Rayse & Bavadin, so I submit that we can expect to see this team up as a plot point in The Lost Metal. I also expect that this has implications for the direction of the plot of books 4 & 5 of The Stormlight Archive. I feel like there is more to pull out here, but this is all I have for now. Please feel free to add to or correct my thoughts here as you see fit (up to and including moving this to the Mistborn forums; I put it here in an abundance of caution in deference to the Oathbringer spoiler policy).
  10. OK. I agree; please refer to the OP, where I said, "Odium - in his fear of Harmony - has enlisted Autonomy as a partner to murder Sazed." I suspect that Autonomy is the more active partner in their arrangement, as I think Trell is an avatar of Autonomy who has been interfering on Scadrial. I think Odium's involvement is probably limited to voidspren who are the power behind the Set. In my mind, the Set's red-eyed kandra must be bonded to either voidspren or Skaze (and we might learn that both are splinters of Odium and/or corrupted splinters of other Shards). Based on Paalm's thoughts about strong emotion, I'm leaning towards voidspren based on the fact that "passion" was revealed to be an alternate intent for Odium. Also, I think Odium is being (and has been) set up as the 2nd-tier Big Bad in the meta-narrative of the Cosmere. See this post for more on that:
  11. See I think the opposite mid-series conclusion is likely... My money is on this outcome: Odium wins, and shatters Cultivation Odium - free to leave Roshar - teams up with Bavadin and heads to Scadrial to assault Harmony. Books 6-10 are Team Dalinar trying to save their ruined world from Odium's forces (a la the Jedi fighting the Empire in the original Star Wars trilogy). The series concludes with Odium's return and defeat at the hands of the Knights Radiant with assistance from Hoid & other Shards who oppose Rayse. I just don't find it interesting to set up a bad guy so bad that he has killed 25% of the deities in his pantheon (at least 4 of the 16 Shards), only to lose to a few magically-enhanced but well-intentioned humans with unresolved emotional problems who barely know what they are doing. There simply isn't enough time to get Dalinar's Knights enough experience (or enough Knights) nor is there time to get his coalition to a functional level of trust or organizational competence. If these groups fight an organized force with experience that exceeds ordinary lifetimes (i.e. the Fused) and is led by a living and involved deity (i.e. Odium), they should not win. All they've got are the spren, a fraction of Honor's consciousness as represented by the Stormfather, and Cultivation who has apparently chosen not to get directly involved. Their enemy has something that is either equivalent to or better than everything Dalinar's allies have. Odium's history proves he's no fool; Odium can and should win this fight. Now that might be sad for our beloved Rosharan characters, but it will make for a better story than two 5-book arcs that result in Odium's defeat. I don't think it would be interesting for the "True Desolation" to fail only to be followed by another desolation. How does that even make sense with the Everstorm? Even if the Fused were held back by a re-forged Oathpact, the Everstorm would presumably enable Odium to continue the fight by sending lesser-voidspren through the storm to create Regals who would use various forms of power to keep the fight going. Remember Honor tells Dalinar that the prize for defeating Odium's champion will be more time (it's not a permanent solution). So how does Odium ever actually get defeated? Which brings me to my next point: it makes more sense (for the Cosmere meta-narrative) if Odium escapes Roshar. If he is stuck in the Rosharn system for the entire run of the Cosmere, where is the conflict going to come from? Autonomy seems like a good villainess, but as far as we know, she just wants to be left alone (and might be open to despicable means to achieve that end) - not shatter other Shards. While Bavadin might work as a one off bad guy who opposes Harmony because he holds two shards and is too involved in the day to day management of his world for her tastes, she doesn't present much of a threat to any of the single-Shard-holding vessels whom she has ignored up to this point. So, the Cosmere needs Odium to get loose and threaten the other Shards as he has been set up as the Big Bad across the Cosmere (specifically on Ashyn, Sel & Threnody). I think he is being setup to become the Big Bad on Scadrial, too (see my post below about this if you're interested). Ignoring worlds associated with Autonomy, you're left with only Nalthis & Yolen* as Shard-invested planets have not yet been molested by Rayse. Odium's defeat will set up the other major story arc for the Cosmere: what to do about the remnants of Adonalsium now that half the Shards are shattered. This could be a splintering of the other Shards or it could be an attempt to reunite all the Shards & splinters to reform Adonalsium. Either option will be opposed by factions loyal to the non-splintered and/or benevolent Shards or by magic users who don't want to surrender their powers/abilities. For instance, I can't imagine that the Skaze will voluntarily allow themselves to be absorbed). This provides a good motive for why space-traveling Scadrians are hunting various forms of investiture in Sixth of the Dusk in the distant future. * Yolen is asterisked because - assuming this was the site of Adonalsium's Shattering - Rayse is either from Yolen or has been there. I am unaware of any hostile or aggressive actions - again, other than the Shattering - taken by Rayse on Yolen though. Also, we don't have any proof that Yolen is currently a planet that is invested by a Shard.
  12. I really like this idea. It's beautiful in a way. Kind of like how one might imagine the love and companionship of a spouse.
  13. I will not fail to protect those I can, even at the expense of those I cannot. I think that "those I can" are the ones who are willing and able to accept his protection. No matter what else Kal did at the palace in Kholinar, he wasn't going to be able to save the parshmen he met in part 1. He didn't want to kill them, but he probably should have. Not doing so got everyone killed.
  14. @Kered I was under the impression that Odium called forth void-spren (plural) and had them bond to Seades's soldiers. Once bonded, those spren used the bond to encourage the soldiers to embrace the Thrill. I don't think that all of the soldiers were bonded to Neragoul. I'm not sure about the connections you are making in your 2nd paragraph. I'm not sure it matters though... you're asking questions about the details of a failed plan. Exactly how it failed isn't clear. I just sort of thought that Odium had agreed to a Contest of Champions with the intent of coopting Dalinar - a general who has never lost a battle - as his champion. When Odium was unable to get Dalinar, he had to retreat because his 2nd choice for a champion (i.e. Amaram) was also defeated. To stick around would have meant that Odium would have had to appoint an even weaker candidate as champion which would have resulted in certain defeat. As far as the dreams and the Spiritual Realm are concerned, I think you're on the right path. We don't know for sure, but your thoughts represent the general consensus on the subject.
  15. Yeah, it's a really good name for a Highspren seeing as how they fly and are responsible for sorting out the guilty from the innocent.
  16. OK, I am properly shamed. I was thinking that this was some sort of made up word that Google would be unable to help me with. I assumed incorrectly and made a proverbial chull of myself. That sarcastic set of Google instructions is objectively funny though, well done. FWIW, I'm 33 (which is either old or young depending on the context) and that is not a word that I have ever heard before. I'm also living in an Appalachian urban area which is it's own sort of oxymoron to people who don't live in Birmingham, Huntsville, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Asheville or Pittsburgh. My point is that while we do have small Asian communities in "hill country" you'd be hard pressed to find someone with any visibility (i.e. someone other than nerdy twenty-somethings congregating in a basement) who could fairly be described as a Caucasian obsessed with Japanese culture (i.e. a "weeaboo"). Nevertheless, my bad; I should have looked first. Moving on... and keeping in mind that (A) I'm old, (B) I live in a geographic & cultural backwater, and (C) I'm an engineering & accounting major who never took any humanities courses outside of required electives like freshman & sophomore literature... I'd like to second @Morsk and ask, "How are white people obsessed with anime associated with patriarchy?" Are we just connecting "weeaboos" to patriarchy by throwing some shade at the archetypal privileged white male? If so, is it safe to apply the following logic? Odium - Shard of passion & hatred - is the god of the Shin The Shin = white people obsessed with Asian/Japaneese culture Ergo, Odium is an angry & powerful white guy Angry & powerful white guys = patriarchy
  17. OK, let's agree to disagree then. I think that as long as Lost Metal cloaks any Odium-interference in plausible deniability or references it only in terms of a vague threat then it doesn't spoil anything. You disagree. That's OK.
  18. Please define. I can follow the rest, but because of this word, I'm struggling to connect sentence #1 to sentence #2.
  19. I totally get that. I just think that we can go ahead and assume that Odium is able to leave Roshar by the end of Book 5. I think the "back 5" are going to be about bringing other Shards in to vanquish Odium "once and for all" after it is revealed that Odium is no longer bound to Roshar and presents a threat to all the other Shards of the Cosmere. You'll note that the letters all cite Rayse's imprisonment as a reason not to get involved. I suspect that their responses will change without that excuse. In short, Book 5 ends with a win for Odium. The remainder of the series is the story of how Dalinar's Radiants snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
  20. I think we may very well see his influence, but that he won't make an appearance on screen. It will all be vague enough that we might still be questioning the identity of the Shard behind Trellium. I think that story arc is more likely to refer to the attacking Shard as "the enemy" and set up Kelsier as a force/personality to unite the Northern and Southern Scadrians. It will probably set them up for the next series on Scadrial as a potential space-faring culture/people. FOr all we know that might be Keliser's (but not necessarily Harmony's) solution to the looming threat of "the enemy." I'm not sure whether Brandon has abandoned his plan to do a 1980's-era set of books on Scadrial as he mentioned once upon a time, but by the '80s IRL we had already been to the moon and first started to worry about "star wars" with the Russians. Basically, I'm saying there's enough there for the finale of the Wax & Wayne era of Mistborn without going all Hero of Ages and making it a battle for Olympus/Scadrial. Properly done, that conflict can be built up in The Lost Metal but the actual conflict can be saved for the next Mistborn series.
  21. My interpretation was (and still is) that Rock was overwhelmed by the implications of what he had done. Primary among those being that he went back on his commitment not to fight in battle, but no less important the realization that he killed a shardbearer and had become king. This is sad for him because of the fact that he had to step over three dead siblings to accomplish it, and the fact that carrying shards requires him to acknowledge and act on that fact. There is no more hiding for King Lunamor, and that means he must confess his lies to Bridge Four and to himself. IOW, it's very similar to Shallan having to admit to herself that she killed her mother. For Rock, this doesn't result in multiple personalities... just sadness.
  22. Oooh, I just had another thought... Odium's big temptation/sales pitch is "it's not your fault; ___ made you do those things." How much would that have found purchase with Lessie after Harmony had (more or less) forced her to stage her death to manipulate Wax? She would have certainly wrestled with a lot of guilt over the pain her death inflicted on Wax whom she genuinely loved. I think that "it's not your fault; Harmony made you do those things" would have been nearly impossible for her to resist. Assuming that Autonomy & Odium are aligned in attacking Sazed/Scadrial, winning her allegiance with Odium's passion and then directing her to behave subversively makes perfect sense.
  23. Sure, it could be Autonomy acting alone, I just think the association with strong emotion points to Odium's influence at some level in the actions of the Set on Scadrial. The word's of the red-eyed Kandra(?) at the end of BoM (i.e. something along the lines of "we are going to end all life on this sphere") sounds like Odium's boasting to Dalinar of what he will do if he wins on Roshar. On top of that, the red-eyed Kandra's promise that Suit will serve in another realm sounds so much like what Odium did with the Fused.
  24. Eh, it's been suggested elsewhere that any magic witnessed by a Rosharan would likely be described as "surgebinding." So, in light of that, all we know is that - via the Ellia stele - the Dawnsigners have alleged that magic was used to destroy the humans' home planet before their migration to Roshar.
  25. @aemetha Wow, that response was... comprehensive. Well done.