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  2. Long Game 24: The Godless City

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    2 hours ago, Ecthelion III said:

    Araris Stink

    I know it's traditional of me to always put an explanation with my votes but at this point it's just random...

    Since when has it ever been traditional for you to put an explanation with your votes?

     

    2 hours ago, Elenion said:

    It seems like we've gotten all the logic we're going to get from Stink.

    And I'll put a poke on Sart.

     

    2 hours ago, Elenion said:

    Trying to picture you as an elim. Laughing.

    *twitches*

    2 hours ago, Elenion said:

    I don't know because I've never been an elim. :P

    *TWITCHES*

    2 hours ago, little wilson said:

    Just because you're an eliminator doesn't mean you have a web of lies. There's such a thing as a mostly-honest eliminator. :P

    Accurate. The best kind.

    2 hours ago, Elenion said:

    *groans*

    Okay, can we just kill Elenion already? Great, and thanks for joining this bandwagon!

    2 hours ago, Mailliw73 said:

    Just because you're a villager doesn't mean you don't have a web of lies. 

    Accurate.

    1 hour ago, Mailliw73 said:

    Of course. I'm the only person who ever defends villagers lying. 

    I do as well. The only thing I don't lie about is private information-trading.

     

    Okay, I haven't read any PMs or even checked my role yet, so I don't have much to say. This is really an "I'm here" post, and a desperate cry to kill Elenion.

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  7. Mid-Range Game 15: The Dula Revolution

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    6 minutes ago, Elenion said:

    @Straw will almost surely be elected to the senate tonight.

    @Amanuensis I wish I could trust you but I can't right now. If you can resolve the problem with Bard's alignment I may reconsider my vote.

    @Kipper @Sart You two are my biggest suspects for Derethi, with @OrlokTsubodai coming in third and @Ecthelion III in fourth. I want to hear each of your arguments so I can decide who to vote on in the future.

    I propose we leave @Elbereth on the senate to get the numbers back up to 5.

    I won't fabricate a meaningless argument to remove your incredibly important vote from me. If you have any factual questions you want answered, do ask. However, since you've just asked for an "argument," with no explanation of what said argument will be for, you shouldn't expect a well-reasoned response.

    Also, you are not the voice of the town. Don't presume to speak for it. ;) 

    @Ecthelion III, I have nothing to say other than that this is an abnormal level of inactivity for me in games, and one that I think would be highly unusual for an Eliminator.

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  9. Mid-Range Game 15: The Dula Revolution

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

    @Ecthelion III, @emilylime, @Eolhondras, @Kipper, @OrlokTsubodai, @Sart, @Seonid, @The Young Bard: did any of you go on a Business Trip N2?

    No.

    I apologize for inactivity. Work has been brutal, and my band is doing a gig soon that's been keeping me up nights.

    Elenion is still on my radar as suspicious. Weasel words. "We're debating." "we can't trust it." I don't like it when people use those words to include themselves with the village.

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  11. Mid-Range Game 15: The Dula Revolution

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    I find it interesting that you point out my bandwagoning (I won't hide it; I love a good bandwagon, as long as it's for the right reasons), but yet you only throw one of five votes needed to remove me, necessitating a bandwagon if you hope to succeed. And if you think that me threatening people with death is abnormal for me, you need to read some of my threats D1. However, one of those threats did end up leading us to Eramit... And what do you mean by "bus?" As in, like, throwing someone under the bus? Or like I'm hopping on a bus full of elims? Or like I'm running people over with a bus?

    @Elenion, I wasn't clear. My issue was with the way that you participated in a bandwagon, really starting it yourself, and then turned around and criticized the next person who joined, for the same reasons as yourself. Very hypocritical. I don't think threatening people with death is abnormal for you, but it is foolish, since you don't have a lot of power in that respect.

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    [19. Kipper- Kipper: Attacks me with hypocritical bandwagon attack. Not necessarily the best start, but no definite suspicions yet.

    It's comforting that you don't move straight to an omgus. Anyway, I've discussed above why I criticized you over the bandwagoning issue.

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  15. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    Eesh. This is going to be a repetitive post.

    I lynch people because they aren't in my faction. People who are not in my faction impede my chance of winning by earning boxings for their faction, voting for members of my faction, and generally being alive. Also, I don't give two boxings about "catching the Spiked" right now, AS IF WE CAN catch the Spiked with the current information we have. I don't believe that any of the people who are adamant about catching the Spiked genuinely care about catching the Spiked. Let's see a few quotes from the previous day...

    Multiple people last cycle said that they had a "gut feeling" or "gut vibe" on someone, specifically @Straw and @TheSilverDragon. What gut vibe? What did the targets of your votes do that made you have a "gut vibe" about them? Did they do any standard Eliminator tells? Well that's funny, because we don't even have an Eliminator faction. We just have...another faction, that is much smaller than all the rest, and likely won't ever outstrip the rest of us. So why are you using typical dialogue from Elminator-based games, where you might legitimately have a gut vibe that someone is an Eliminator? It seems (as Ada rightly pointed out later) a rather shallow reason to vote for someone. Which is why I'm going to call for honesty. Why can't we all be honest about why we're voting for people? There's really no need to engage in artful sophistries and intricate arguments about exactly why you're voting for someone. It's a 1/10 chance at the moment, and the so-called "Eliminators" don't have a way to Eliminate anyone.

    When Ada was under some pressure for the lynch (as I hoped would happen with my vote), he said perhaps the most honest thing I've seen all this game. "Can anyone give an actual reason why they're voting for me, beyond faction-based...." (or words to that effect). No! Absolutely not! That's the only reason I want you dead, so I can win!

    A note on catching Eliminators: You're not going to do it based off of accusing people in the thread and looking for common Eliminator tells, because said tells will be totally inaccurate for this game. We have four teams, all of which will be trying to manipulate the other teams into helping them out. The best way you can find Spiked peeps imo is to not really talk about your Spiked suspicions, and look for people trying to be too careful. Haven't really finalized my thoughts on this strategy.

    Oh, also I was completely lying about my faction attacking anyone. But thanks for the information I got based off of the reactions.

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  17. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

    Posted · Edited by Kipper

    My faction attacked Lekal with a Koloss, and based on Kandra information, they have 5 left, which means that they maxed out their boxings. We did not attack Penrod. Just wait until next cycle. ;) You're all getting hit. Can't wait to see the reactions when your Koloss armies go down by a third each.

    Edit: Aman(da). I'll be interested to see how you try to manipulate your way out of this vote by using appeal to emotion, or perhaps some long and complicated "vote for this person that's not me because we'll learn SO MUCH" strategy.

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  18. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    6 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

    OK. I was going to put extensive analysis here, but I can't actually work out that much just from the Day 1 lynch.

    The last minute bandwagon on PK. Now, there were enough votes that more than one faction probably moved to bandwagon against him. I'm inclined to think Maill's faction and Kipper's faction both bandwagoned onto PK at the last minute.

    The other interesting thing is the two Soothings. The PK -> Aman one probably came from Penrod, for obvious reasons. The Aman -> Kipper one I suspect came from Maill's house who probably wasn't online for rollover, as Kipper was one of the 3 leading candidates a few hours before rollover. I doubt that Penrod has two Soothers, and it was probably an attempt to save one of the two other candidates from the lynch.

    This was originally going to be a lot more in-depth, but I was trying to work on about a dozen things at once, which didn't work out well for me. I'll be on before rollover, and can hopefully get more analysis done then.

    I wasn't online right before rollover, but I got on close to an hour afterwards, checked for the new topic, and then went to bed. I'm going to read back now, but until you posted and I saw this, I had no idea about a PK bandwagon.

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  19. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    1 hour ago, Arraenae said:

    I’m beginning to wonder whether the person behind the 17th Shard account known as “Kipper” is the same person who left earlier this year to take an SE hiatus. This current “Kipper” is making posts that are more suited to insulting people in docs than a game of Sanderson Elimination.

    When I suggested that we focus on the Spiked team first, Kipper smacked down my idea. He said he would not be revealing his any of his faction’s information, including the memberlist. He explained how keeping factional information secret is good for all of us. Then, even though it was Night, he placed a vote on me because I was supposed to be smarter than to suggest going for the Spiked first.

    I agree completely with all the points that he brought up. This isn’t a standard elimination game. Making memberlists public will hurt more than help. I disagreed with how he implied that I wanted everybody to share factional information. In fact, I don’t see how catching the Spiked and keeping factional information secret are contradictory.

    So, I asked Kipper.

    He said the last part of his post wasn’t referring to me.

    I asked him who he was referring to. The last paragraph included a vote on me, a chastisement of me, and an explanation that I wasn’t in his faction and should die.

    He told me it didn’t matter and that I should go back to check his post. 

    I understand that Kipper was not going to come back from his hiatus playing the exact way he did before. I understand that Kipper is still on the mod-queue, which makes playing SE difficult. I understand that Kipper sometimes enjoys prodding people to see their reaction (he once responded to a string of critiques for someone’s writing with one-liners just to troll me).

    But that doesn’t explain Kipper’s recent, uncharacteristic non-responses.

    Did a hungry and unskilled kandra discover his corpse sometime during his hiatus? Has he been hit very hard in the head by kitchen appliances while cooking? Or does he have an agenda that requires antagonizing me?

    I am not Kipper, nor am I the person behind his account. I don’t know what is happening, but he does. And this time, I want a real response.

    I've not insulted anyone. I made one post criticizing a strategy of yours and others, then you went on the attack.

    True.

    Great.

    True.

    True.

    "Chastisement." XD True though."

    It really doesn't matter. I said what I said, and you decided to make a mountain out of a molehill and ask me who exactly I was responding to. I don't remember now who, specifically, it was, but it wasn't you. Consider it a general response to multiple comments in thread.

    Prodding you in particular definitely amuses me, but keep in mind that you're continuing to prod me.

    Oh.

    I've not been hit in the head. I'm burned by hot oil on the daily, but no blunt force trauma as of yet. My agenda requires your death. I don't especially need to antagonize you.

    That's nice.

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  22. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    1 minute ago, Mailliw73 said:

    Thank you! Someone else who understands.

    Though I don't agree with "The people who are suggesting that everyone work together for the "common good" are going to be the first to backstab you in the end." Have you played a faction game with El? :P

    ...I suppose I may have been projecting your tendencies onto everyone. You have my sincere apologies. :(

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  23. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

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    5 hours ago, Arraenae said:

    Disclaimer: I hereby do not apologize for any persons accused in the writing of this post.

    @Kipper, where did I mention factions giving up info to the thread, let alone giving up memberlists? I only suggested trying to kill the Inquisitor first, which would save us all headaches from wondering if we can trust our own Housemates.

    Also, this is a night cycle, so votes don’t count. You’re smarter than this, lil Kipper-wipper. Are you trying to make a strawman out of my post? (And you’re not in my faction either, so have a pointless return vote. :D)

    The last part of my post was not replying to you. 10/10 copying of my post.

     

     

     

    5 hours ago, Master Elodin said:

    Nyali and Aman, you guys seem to be talking to each other a lot.. you're probably in the same faction. Anyways, I'll go ahead and claim Coinshot, partly or possibly wholly to annoy Nyali. :P

     

    EDIT: Yay! Let's kill Kipper!

    Go away. :)

     

     

    3 hours ago, OrlokTsubodai said:

    Now Kipper has already declared himself against this, but I wonder if there is an argument to be made for the revealing of faction lists.

    Yes, it does compromise our own factions, and remove a potential advantage in the faction war, but it simultaneously gives us an advantage against the inquisitor - rather than leaving it to a single faction to identify inconsistencies in voting patterns, instead all of us can do so.

    I would argue that the parallels with MR7 are not accurate. The lesson some of us seem to have learnt from MR7 is not to focus on the 'hidden faction'. Were MR7 to be replayed, this would be the correct lesson to learn. However, this is not MR7. The eliminator faction grows in strength, potentially each cycle, has the advantage of ever increasing intelligence, and the potential to hit back. 

    It's all very well protecting our individual factions, but I fear this will devolve into a tragedy of the commons scenario - where our individual interests differ from the common interest, and by ignoring the common good, we all lose.

    Consequently, I am staunchly in support of a consistent focus on the inquisitor, and the revealing of faction lists.

    What is the "common good?" It's easy to throw around nice-sounding rhetoric, but where is the "common good?" This game will definitely "devolve" into a bloodbath scenario, because that's what the game is designed to do. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The people who are suggesting that everyone work together for the "common good" are going to be the first to backstab you in the end.

    Also, I agree that analogies to MR7 are somewhat unfair, but no analogy is perfect.

    Re: the discussion on revealing faction lists, what actual advantage do we get from knowing everyone's faction? ~0. The Inquisitor gains an advantage by knowing which people he needs to Spike to infiltrate every faction, but we don't gain any useful knowledge.

     

    TL;DR There is no common good in this game.

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  24. Long Game 23: The Siege of Luthadel

    in Sanderson Elimination

    Posted · Edited by Kipper

    Disclaimer: I hereby do not apologize for any feelings hurt or opinions maligned in the writing of this post.

    @Arraenae, your idea is ridiculous. This is not a "everyone work together to kill the Spiked" game. This is a bloody faction war game, and I intend to play it as such. I will not be revealing any faction resources publicly, and I suggest that everyone else (for the good of your factions) does not either. Let's look at two different instances where we could find information. 

    Instance 1: Bob reveals his faction, and his entire list of faction members, including roles, in the thread. This information is now public, and anyone can discuss it and strategize based off of it.

    Instance 2: Bob tells his role to the Builder faction, and a Spiked Builder tells his/her teammates about Bob's role. Now, the Spiked have information that no one else has, and trust me on this, they WILL slip. At some point in the game, no matter how hard they try not to, they WILL overthink a plan and let some small piece of information (that they should not have) slide.

    Also, revealing our factions doesn't even help our factions. I'll do my best to keep my faction private, untargeted, and alive, thank you very much. The Spiked will know the factions soon enough; I'd rather that the memberlists stay with them. Arraenae. You're smarter than this, lil bean. (And you're also not in my faction so die. :D)

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