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It's stated in the book that Syl is an Honorspren, NOT a windspren. They're similar but not the same. And when kaladin falls into the chasm, doesn't Syl just die?

Maybe it's just me, but I thought Lyrna's character was extremely inconsistent. In Blood Song, she was described as cold/calculating/ruthless. In Tower Lord, we see almost none of that.

I personally didn't enjoy the Dresden files. I read the first ~3, and they were very basically written - seemed like the books were targeted towards preteens. Very predictable plot, cliched humor, etc. But a lot of people seem to enjoy the books, so at least try reading the first few. They aren't very long.

Huh, seems like this was already done! Should've looked harder on the wiki. You can delete this thread, it's obsolete

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/23974-different-types-of-gemstones/ Lengthy post I wrote where I gathered as much textual evidence as I could from the book concerning gem color/function. I personally think that the type of gem in Shardplate does not matter. In my scanning of the text, whenever a gem is connected to Shardplate, it's a sapphire. However, this could be due to the fact that the Kholin color is blue (like moogle said) And moogle, if you make claims about what each gem does, you should back it up with textual evidence! I never found anything suggesting that certain soulcasting required certain gems.

In the "Can We Talk About Shardplate" thread (http://www.17thshard.com/forum/forum/19-stormlight-archive/) we started discussing different types of gemstones and their functions. There was very little textual evidence being thrown around, so I started researching, and looked for every reference to gemstones I could find in the books. This is what I found. RUBY: Used in spanreeds. Also used in hearths. Spanreeds: Description of the function of rubies (back of book) Navani's Fabrial (what does it do?) Hearth Fabrial EMERALD: Every gemheart that has been described after it's been taken out of a chasmfiend has been an emerald. Used to make food. Food Gemhearts SAPPHIRE: Whenever a gem attached to Shardplate is mentioned, it is Sapphire (this could be because the Kholin's color is blue, therefore they use Sapphires). Could also be linked to surgebinding. Szeth's eyes turn blue when he uses the surgebinding Honorblade. Armor Unknown Fabrial Szeth's Eyes AMETHYST Gem that contains the angerspren. (Back of book) DIAMOND: Used when Shallan soulcast the goblet into blood. (Assuming this is diamond because it let's out white light). Shardblade pommel Shallan Soulcasting (Pointed out by Paragrin) HELIODOR(Yellow) Fabrial that senses people when they come close Jasnah: She uses the diamond to turn a man into crystal, and cracks the smokestone when smiting the two running away. However, when she turns the first man into fire, the ruby is not mentioned at all. Soulcaster Soulcasting scene If you guys find any text evidence I've missed, I'll gladly edit this post and add it in (and credit you of course!)

Just did a reread of WOR. I focused on Moash because I was dumbfounded by his actions at the end of WOR, where he almost kills Kaladin to exact revenge on Elkohar. Actually, he didn't even need to kill Kaladin. Killing Kaladin only makes the job "cleaner". I thought Moash's actions at the end of WOR were out of character. I believed the only explanation for his actions was that he was being guided by an outside force. Perhaps Odium was controlling him (similar to how Vin was being influenced by Ruin). As I worked through my reread, I realized that Sanderson set him up to be a villian. Nearly everything Moash says is petty/spiteful. He lusts after Shardblade and Shardplate (presumably to help him exact revenge on Elkohar). He's hypocritical. Here's a few passages if you aren't convinced: (Second statement contradicts the first) (He contradicts this multiple times) (This is just bad) It's interesting how Sanderson was able to blind (at least me) to Moash's character simply by making Kaladin emphasize with Moash's state. I still have hope for Moash. People have hypothesized that Moash might be Odium's champion - I think that's not likely. He clearly regrets his actions. I strongly feel that he will redeem himself in the next few books. Thoughts?

I reread the passage and yes, the Shardbearer seems to summon the helmet from nothing. Good catch, it was worded subtly. Even though Radiants can store a lot of stormlight, they still have limits on how much they can store. Szeth can store a crap ton of stormlight, but he still carries around bags of spheres because he will inevitably run out. I'm guessing it's the same with Shardplate.

I don't remember Shardbearers in Dalinar's visions being able to summon their helms. And I assumed their armor lit up because the men/women were surgebinders, not because of the armor itself (though I could be wrong). I assumed gems were the most efficient way of storing power. Putting several gems in Shardplate -> more resilient armor. And I still strongly believe Shardplate/Shardblades are closely related... In Dalinar's visions, people who owned Shardplate also had Shardblades. Nobody just had Shardplate or just a Shardblade. Why do you guys think Shardplate isn't connected to the Nahel bond?

You say that you're fairly sure that Shardplate is NOT related to Nahel Bonds, but are instead merely fabrials... I disagree. In the book, Dalinar wondered why Shardplate was not given to common people. Shardplate is incredibly useful for even mundane tasks. Why didn't ordinary people get Shardplate (or even high-ranking generals in the army) if Shardplate was simply a type of fabrial? I think the best explanation for this is that Shardplate is connected to Nahel Bonds. In Dalinar's flashbacks, the only people who possess Shardplate also have Shardblades. Even in the present world, the number of Shardplates seems to be strongly connected to the number of Shardblades, suggesting that they come from a similar source and are linked. I'm guessing that Kaladin will need to swear additional oaths before he gets Shardplate.

Well, we don't know if she watched him on her own time or merely observed his actions with Kaladin (although the quote does suggest the former).

In both WoR and WoK, Syl disappears randomly for a short amount of time. Where is she going, and why does she never tell Kaladin where she's going (admittedly, Kaladin never asks her). Pattern's behavior in contrast makes Syl's disappearances even weirder. Pattern always sticks next to Shallan, and only leaves her when Shallan explicitly tells him to scout. On top of this, Pattern is a liespren and Syl is an honorspren. I'm not implying that Syl is doing something nefarious out of Kaladin's view, but I would expect her to be more transparent than Pattern, and I'd expect pattern to be more slippery/devious. Any thoughts? I haven't been able to think of anything Syl might be doing. Is there any pattern in her disappearances (right before highstorms, right after highstorms, etc). What could she possibly dbe doing when she's away? (these were the only two bits of text i could find. should be more though.)

Hope this question hasn't been asked before! Spoilers below Syl seemed to want Kaladin to keep and use the Honorblade he got from Szeth. Why? Obviously, they allow people who don't have Nahel Bond to surgebind. But what would they do for someone like Kaladin, who already possesses a Nahel bond? When Szeth fought Kaladin, his honorblade seemed to be far inferior to Kaladin's Shardblade, which could change form. I see no reason for Kaladin to use his Honorblade at all because Syl is just better. The honorblade seems wasted on him, and would be better on someone else (who isn't a windrunner). On top of this, it's stated that Honorblades take more stormlight to use. Is there something in the book that I've missed that make the Honorblades attractive for people who can already surgebind?