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  1. I guess I'm saying that I don't think you can adapt the spirit of SA to a visual medium. Let's take the big issue of WoR. The main question for Kaladin's arc is whether to kill Ehlokar or defend him. You can show him pretending to agree to assassination, you can show him explaining to Moash why he won't, you can show him later agreeing with Moash, but what you can't show is all Kaladin's internal debate in the prison where he changes from defender to assassin. You can't show him descending to the level of depression and despair that the book makes clear. You can't even do it with a voice-over, which is usually the resource of last resort for visual media. The gravitas of those scenes -- the penultimate crux of the moral dilemma -- is entirely absent. Or, while we're still on WoR, take the high point of Dalinar's arc (IMHO): fighting Szeth, and realizing that he couldn't have saved Gavilar even if he hadn't been dead drunk the night of the assassination, and therefore forgiving himself for the same. Now this one you could maybe do as a voice-over during their fight, though it'd sound pretty cheesy. As we fought, I realized that I couldn't defeat him. That he couldn't be defeated. That even if I had been awake and alert that night, I couldn't have saved my brother. And then I let it go. All the guilt. The self-hatred. It was all pointless. I couldn't have saved him. No one could. That would maybe work, but it's still a pretty significant step down from the book's method. My guess is it'd turn the scene from an incredibly powerful one to a marginally acceptable one. I dunno. Maybe I've just never seen a good book to good movie adaptation and therefore can't imagine how it could be done. But I won't be buying a ticket or turning on the TV opening day. The character introspection and conflicting moral imperatives -- the core of The Stormlight Archive, in my opinion -- just don't seem translatable.
  2. Nah, this would be really weird. I could maybe see it if they weren't married, but given that they are I just don't see it happening. First of all, they're both way too insecure -- it would be a disaster for their relationship at a time when they really need the relationship to be strong. Second, it seems rather out of character -- if neither of these characters were sleeping around when they were single, why on earth would they start once they were married?
  3. Everyone wanting a Stormlight adaption is ignoring the fact that it's almost impossible to adapt a good book into a good movie. The fundamental issue is that a movie (or TV series) is fundamentally a visual medium, while a novel is not. Unless a novel is written in a visual style (which generally means it's a bad novel, IMHO), then adapting it well to the big screen is nearly impossible. It's also why novelizations tend to be so bad. They have the same problem, but in the other direction. However novelizations tend to work out better than book adaptions because a novel can include visual information via description and the reader's imagination, while visual media struggles to include non-visual information in a reasonable fashion. It can be done, if there's not too much of it -- but if there's not too much of it, then your book probably sucks. It would take a minor miracle for a Stormlight adaption to be anything but awful. The books are too good for it.
  4. The only Blade that I've seen so far that has been specifically described as having glyphs is Sunraiser, though several other descriptions aren't entirely clear. For instance, the description of the Windrunner in Dalinar's vision is described as follows: So probably "the metal" refers to the Plate glowing with glyphs, but it could be the Blade. Or the Blade could have glyphs and not be worth mentioning in the excitement of the flying, glowing Shardbearer who just arrived. Unfortunately, whether a Blade has glyphs on it or not is likely to be of less importance to the characters than the shape of the Blade, given that they might need to fight with/against/alongside the weapon, so it's hard to infer from descriptions whether the glyphs are absent or just not mentioned. In Dalinar's vision, he doesn't even make note of the Shardbearers' Blades shapes at all, focusing instead on their glowing armor (though I'd think the Blades ought to be glowing as well, which should've also been noteworthy). I'm not sure that this is an issue at all. Just like there are only ten types of Radiant spren that form Blades, there are likely only ten types of lesser spren that form Plate. Though the spren-as-Plate theory is itself a bit controversial. Some people prefer Stormlight-as-Plate, though this seems less logical to me. I don't think you'd lose the Blade, though. Worst-case scenario, the Blade just ends up hilt-first in the ground. Then you pull it out and you're the rightful king of England. Unless someone -- the main candidates are the Shin and the Skybreakers -- are keeping them in reserve.
  5. So I've been thinking about the glyphs that are on some Shardblades and not others. Examination of Shallan's sketch in WoR shows clearly that Sunraiser has ten glyphs along its length, while Firestorm does not. Now possibly Sunraiser is somehow unique in this regard, but this seems unlikely. If Sunraiser were the only Shardblade to have glyphs along its edge, I should think it would have been called out explicitly as being special or noteworthy in this regard. There are ten glyphs along one edge of the Blade. There are presumably ten more on the other. Twenty glyphs total. As near as I can tell, a set of Shardplate looks like this: This description is taken from chapter 26 of TWoK, when Dalinar puts on his Shardplate. The reader should note that there are exactly twenty pieces of armor mentioned. (At least, there are exactly twenty pieces of armor mentioned if the phrase "culet and faulds" is taken to be two pieces of armor, not three. If the culet and faulds are three distinct pieces, then there are 21 pieces and the theory does not hold so well.) So we have twenty glyphs on some Blades, and twenty pieces of armor that make up Shardplate. I do not think this is a coincidence. Being a fan of the lesser-spren-as-Plate theory, I am reminded of the two ardents in TWoK, who are able to trap spren into certain forms by measuring and recording their size. I propose that Radiant spren do much the same, by "recording" the shape in which they wish the lesser spren to remain upon their own Blade. Since presumably not all Knights had advanced far enough to have Plate at the time of the Recreance, this would explain why not all Blades have the glyphs. It's just a theory, but twenty glyphs along a Blade and twenty pieces in a set of Plate seems like rather too much coincidence to be ignored.
  6. Just remember that the Voidbringer goes under the bed.
  7. It's a ruby, right? You could make the world's most diabolic set of spanreels.
  8. While contextually "the parent" probably refers to Honor, it's worth noting that it could refer to one of the larger spren like the Sibling. Death seems to be something of a continuum with spren rather than a binary state, so a spren that had retreated enough -- been hurt enough, in the Stormfather's words -- could reasonably be considered dead, especially since damaged spren don't recover on their own. So possibly the Radiants need to restore the Sibling and/or Urithiru before the restriction can be lifted.
  9. From what I recall, Odium generally uses the singular. "I'm the other one" is the first quote that comes to mind, but I don't explicitly remember him ever using the royal we.
  10. Thanks to all who responded! (And sorry for the slightly delayed reply. Power and Internet have been sporadic here of late.) There are far too many nice responses here for me to respond to them all individually, but I read through them all and appreciate everyone's thoughts. It's given me some things to think about as I reread WoR and OB. I'm still in the early part or WoR, when Shallan was still my second-favorite character. I'll try to keep some of this in mind as I venture onward and see if it doesn't make Shallan's later chapters somewhat more bearable.
  11. That does rather make it seem like Radiants aren't any more Invested than normal people. So I guess it's all the spren, though now I don't get why the spren turn into dead Blades if the Radiants break their Oaths. Even aside from that, I'm still a bit confused. Doesn't all magic have to come from Investure? The Mistborn thing totally makes sense -- if they're not burning metals, they've got no magic powers. But Radiants have powers beyond Stormlight and Surges. Like Shallan's ability to take Memories, for instance (including the ability to see spren where others can't). Magic power, no Stormlight required.
  12. Are you sure that a KR wouldn't be harder to affect than your average person? My (admittedly limited) understanding of what's going on is that the spren and the Radiant are sort of growing to be part of one another in a significant fashion, which is why a KR breaking his Oaths literally kills the spren. And we know that Blades and Plate are effectively immune to surgebinding, so I'd think that some of that resistance would carry over to the Radiant as well. I'm sure that holding Stormlight would make them even harder to Soulcast, but I'd think they'd have some passive resistance regardless. They certainly have some supernatural abilities (like Shallan's photographic memories and Jasnah's direction sense) even without Stormlight, so I'd think they must be a bit more Invested than your average person, Stormlight or no.
  13. So I was bashing Shallan in another thread and got into the start of potentially an interesting debate. I was griping once again about how Truths were way more boring than Oaths and made in the process the following claim: To which @Steel Inquisitive replied: This aligning not at all with what I remembered from Oathbringer, I made the following reply: Well, at this point Steel Inquisitive made the point that we were getting rather off the topic of the thread, which was about disappointments in SA in general and not Shallan in particular, but the reply above got me wondering if I were missing something. Especially considering that as of this writing, five people have upvoted Steel Inquisitive's response, which suggests to me a significant number of people must agree with the argument. Which makes no sense to me. As mentioned above, claiming that Shallan's fourth Ideal caused her mental problems seems about as strange to me as claiming that Kaladin's second Ideal caused his depression, but maybe I missed or am forgetting something. Any thoughts?
  14. That's...not the way I remember it. She started as Veil to infiltrate the Ghostbloods in WoR, and started as Radiant to train with Adolin in OB. I'm not sure what her fourth Ideal has to do with any of that. Yes, she had some issues about fighting with Pattern because of the way her mother died. But remember we see evidence of this reticence as early as...well, probably as early as WoK, when she starts to summon Pattern and then doesn't. We see this again, in WoR, when she gives Kaladin her Blade rather than face the chasmfiend herself. This is well before her "I killed my mother" Truth. Maybe there's some evidence that her fourth Ideal somehow caused the personality disassociation -- I certainly don't remember anything to suggest that, but I'm admittedly somewhat overdue for an OB reread -- but if neither her second nor her third Ideals caused her amnesia, I don't see why her fourth Ideal would magically cause her personality disorder any more than Kaladin's second Ideal causes his depression. Sure, he gets depressed when he fails to protect people, and his second Ideal is all about protecting people, but it's silly to think that one causes the other. In the same way, although Shallan might have some serious hang-ups about killing her mother, and although her fourth Ideal was about killing her mother, it seems somewhat silly to suppose that one causes the other.
  15. Do we know how many individual pieces make up a set of Shardplate? IIRC, there are at least greaves, gauntlets, breastplate, vambraces, helm, and probably boots are separate from greaves although I'm not sure about that. Is there a list anywhere? Even if it might be incomplete?