Calderis

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    I completely disagree. She is a character who inherently distrust everyone and manipulates them, and over the short course of the story is forced to open up to Gaotona about things that she repeatedly lies to herself about. She has a very real and intense struggle, which is the key to her escape. If she hadn't done so, Gaotona would never have let her go.
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  3. @Pathfinder seriously? I'm done here. The WoB was sharing because it was given to me and this is a discussion on Adolin as a character and as such it is relevant. It wasn't intended to prove anything. And again, me stating my opinion is not shutting down discussion. People are free to disagree. I've stated the way that I think things will play out. You, and many others disagree. That's fine. What's different here, is that you're twisting it around to say that me stating my own reasoning is somehow preventing others from doing the same. I don't have to agree with you. You don't have to agree with me. That's all fine. I've stated the reasons I disagree with you, and you've done likewise. That's still fine. Saying that my reason is somehow attacking others ability to speak? No. Have a good day.
  4. I think Avatars are something specific... And while others could definitely do what Autonomy has, per WoB, I don't think that they have.
  5. People are allowed to disagree with each other sure. Giving all opinions equal weight is never going to happen beyond empty words. Insisting that me stating my opinion and reasoning is somehow shutting down discussion is not something I agree with, and not going to change my arguments. If this discussion has resulted in anything, it at least had a lurker send me this extremely relevant WoB to Adolin's personality that I'm going to go and enter into Arcanum. If she agrees, I'll add in the questioners name for proper attribution, but for the time being, seeing as she didn't want to post it herself, I'll leave her anonymous.
  6. Yeah... That seems like a one off scene that's depressing as hell. Canon fodder and survival at the whims of chance. We already got to see that in the vision where Dalinar lost an arm and had to be rescued by a stoneward. Fun times. In order to teach others how to do what he did, he'd have to understand what he's doing. I don't think it will ever be common or easy. And I've yet to see a compelling realmatic argument in how a spren could be healed without restoring what they lost. You know I'm not talking about us here.
  7. And other than Dalinar, how many of those characters names do people remember? And how many characters are we going to have play the negotiator/peace broker? I didn't say suicide. I said sidelined. And being that every one of those characters save Dalinar is a minor character, I think you're making my point for me.
  8. Which is a cop out. It's literally the same job. How many times have we been told that each Highprince is essentially a king in their own right? If he can effectively be one, he can effectively be the other. And I think you're missing my point completely. Without powers, he will be a liability in combat with the other radiants. He will either continue anyway, and eventually die in the process... Or he'll step back from combat in which case he will be effectively sidelined from his current story role. Adolin is able to stand with the other characters, even in the face of horrible odds. The entire reason people like him as the "normal" perspective is because we see the action from the perspective of people without powers... Which is a role that's going to be less and less viable. If he becomes like other characters you mentioned, Gawx, or Fen, or Sebarial, or any of the many generals, or Highprinces, or nobles or random other characters... He becomes a minor character who has multiple other people at the same level, in the same role, that are all doing the exact same things he is, and his story role essentially becomes "Shallan's husband, Dalinar's son, and Renarin's brother." That's being sidelined. There would be absolutely nothing he is doing outside of his relationships to the other characters that isn't being fulfilled by a multitude of similarly minor characters. Because it was a general statement and not directed at you.
  9. And if Adolin were that willing to step back and serve the needed role, he'd be king and leading all of the armies. Not just in charge of house Kholin. Adolin is fairly selfless he'll step in and do what he thinks is needed in a pinch. But he's not going to delegate something he thinks he has the ability to accomplish himself... Even if he's wrong about the extent of his abilities. Frankly speaking, I don't see how Maya reviving via a bond is really all that farfetched anymore. We've already seen a spren die and be revived with Syl and Kaladin, and she started speaking to him again before he actually said the words and revived her... Maya was summoned in under the 10 heartbeats, and started speaking to Adolin... Which should mean that the bond is already forming and she's getting better. Not that there isn't more work to be done, but the hardest part should be forging a bond with a mentally "dead" spren in the first place. That parts already done in my opinion.
  10. The problem here, is one of Intent. If he means to cause harm, he gets nauseated to the point of incapacitation. The method shouldn't matter. Theres definitely some flexibility there, as we know that the prohibition applies to himself as well and he was able to insult someone into striking him intentionally... But then there's the question of his healing ability and the mental gymnastics of what constitutes "harm." Personally, I think mental games are the most sure bet, and harm cause as a byproduct. An awakened object task with defense that causes harm should work. One tasked with a command to kill is going to require a command, and the accompanied mental image, that should incapacitate him. In the poison example, if putting the poison on the drink wasn't a trigger in itself, the rioting with the purpose of getting someone to drink the poison should... It's complicated, which is really what makes it interesting.
  11. In every instance of those, except handing the blade off, he was in the thick of things. Leading from the front. And if he had his plate, do you think he'd have even considered handing Maya off? He gave the blade to Hrdalm because the man had plate and could hopefully take a hit where he knew he couldn't. If that weren't the case, and you think Adolin would have willingly stepped back, you have a very different read of Adolin than I do.
  12. Adolin was a duelist, and preferred the arena... In his own narrative he's said he now prefers the battlefield and has become a soldier. His activities at Thaylen field, throwing himself into fights that he has no chance in kind of prove the point. He's the type that leads from the front. Throwing soldiers into danger he's not willing to face himself isn't something he's going to do by choice.
  13. Bowling ball? Nah, it's a lightning quick dance through enemy lines, flicking a blade about. Graceful and deadly like a striking snake. Exactly the dance his dueling has prepared him for. And were speaking about Adolin. He's not ready to step back from fighting. So there is a third option. Death. He's going to get sidelined, or he's going to keep fighting. Powers or no powers.
  14. Szeth is not a normal situation.
  15. I absolutely think that Adolin is in the process of healing Maya. I don't think it's going to be quick, or easy, but the fact that she's speaking to him, even vaguely, makes me think the hardest part is already done. But first, some setup on what exactly I think is going on with deadeye and why I don't think there's actually anything "missing" from them. Yes, something was ripped out of the spren. I understand why people think that parts of them are "missing," I just disagree that what's missing was ever a part of what makes them up in the first place. When a spren transitions to the Physical in order to bond a Radiant, they turn stupid. They are sapient of themselves in the Cognitive, but are not designed to function in the Physical. When they transition, they are present in a realm that their Spiritual says that they shouldn't exist in, and that presence needs to be filled out somehow... Which I think is done by diminishing the only other aspect they have. Their Cognitive self. Once the bonding process begins, they're mind returns, in my opinion because they have s started to Spiritually intermingle with their bondmate. They are functioning as if they have a Physical aspect because they are sharing one with their Radiant. As the bond deepens, this grows stronger and stronger, until at third oath, they can actually manifest corporeally as a blade. So then what happens when the bond itself is ripped out of the spren? They haven't actually lost anything of themselves, but their Spiritual is still configured to say that they should exist Physically. Which, without a bondmate becomes a massive problem. They should have a Physical aspect, which without their Radiant to provide forces them to have one, and they become the blade. And dismissing the blade is not going to correct this problem, anymore than Kaladin and Co stopped needing food in Shadesmar when they were there Physically. The more Physical a spren is without a bond, the more must be robbed from their Cognitive Aspect to provide. A unbonded/newly bonded spren and a deadeye are suffering from the exact same issue, but at different levels of magnitude. Because of all of this, I think the only way to restore the spren is to give them back what was ripped out. A bond. They need the secondary Physical aspect a bond provides in order for their Cognitive Aspect to be restored. Which... Is going to be stupidly difficult. How do you develop a bond with a being who is incapable of the complex though necessary to share that bond with you? Firstly, I think you would need the gembond to start with to create a kind of I road to the spren in the first place. Secondly, I think meeting them in Shadesmar is absolutely crucial. It's one thing to treat the blade with respect, or even to understand intellectually that the sword you hold was a sapient being at one point... It's another thing entirely to face that being, damaged as its become, and come to still respect it and care for it. Which is exactly what Adolin did. He had an initial shock at the woman he'd never seen before screaming at him when he tried to summon his blade... But he overcame that and came to call her friend... And then she saved him and began speaking to him. So yes, I think that Adolin will become an Edgedancer... But I think there's still a fairly difficult road ahead. I think he'd have to essentially reach the point of being a Third Oath Edgedancer, where Maya would be able to naturally manifest as a blade for him before the bond will form and function normally, and before he gets any powers at all. As to people prefering Adolin remain a normy... I mean, to each their own, but I think remaining a normy ultimately means being sidelined. This fight has barely started and he's already out of his depth. The fights are only going to get more intense. Adolin gains power... Or he fades to the background.