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  1. OK, I've procrastinated on this long enough - sorry for the delay. Overall, I think I'm quite happy with this games. There's definitely a bunch of things I'd do differently if I could redo it all over again, but . There was definitely an Elim bias in this game - having 4 Elims was a mistake - but I'm not sure it was as bad as you might believe it was based on the result of the game. For one thing, all of the Elims were under some amount of suspicion by the end, and if there'd been one fewer Elim, then Lemon would have been lynched, and it's quite possible Rand would have figured out she was a Tinlie the next cycle and lynched Wonko the next cycle, with Elandera following on soon after whenever they scanned an Elim. So, in some sense, the annoying balance to this game is that the Elims effectively won on the last cycle they were still able to win. Which is... unbalanced in itself* , and something that would have been a problem in a normal game, but I was OK with running a slightly broken game, thinking that the sheer humour of the game would make it worth it. And overall, I think that's true. That said, I was surprised by the psychological impact that Devotary flipping random would be - I expected it to be amusing, and for people to be forced to rethink some of their assumptions about the game up to that point, and some people definitely took it that way, but I didn't expect the resignation or fatalism that occurred from it? It's one of those things that seems obvious in retrospect, but I didn't realize ahead of time, which was definitely an error on my part. I actually had a few different possibilities for this game beyond just blackout - I considered releasing all or most of the rules, which would have changed the balance, but the idea of the game would still have worked just fine. On the other hand, a particularly sadistic part of me considered having it look like a regular signups game with standard Scadrial rules and no indication there was anything different, but that was never under any serious consideration. If I'd had open rules, that would likely have counteracted the fatalism once they realised scans weren't reliable, since people would have known that going in, but it also would have been less trollish, and this game was all about being as trollish as possible. So, overall, I think I'm still glad that I decided to make it a blackout game. In terms of specific role types, I was slightly annoyed that my personal favourite role type - the Dawdling Tineye - barely saw any action - the game went by too quickly for that role to be anything more than another glorified random roll (there were a couple other roles that were more 'out there' that didn't make it into the game either on account of how short the game was going to be, as well.) Ultimately, I don't think roles like that can work without a longer game, which means a higher playercount. (Oh, and Striker, you were a Dawdling Tineye, by the way - I don't know why I accidentally skipped that when putting in all the roles. But you died Cycle 1, which just meant that you were effectively a Confused Tineye.) And before I forget, there's several players that I want to shout out in particular: - Congratulations @Sart for being the first to reveal the "Everyone's a Tineye" - Congratulations to @Abstrusity for being the first to figure out what the Types were about - also, I think I speak on behalf of everyone when I say I was impressed by how you played for your first game, and I hope to see you in more games in the future. - Congratulations to the Elim team - @Wonko the Sane, @Elkanah, @Lemonelon, and @StrikerEZ - for your victory this game. - And finally, thanks to everyone else for playing. *I've talked about this before, but I think of 'balance' as being in two parts, which I call mean and variance - the mean is whether it's biased to one side over the other, and the variance is how easy it is it for one side to make a comeback after falling behind. So, I'd say this game was slightly Elim biased, but very unbalanced in the variance of the game, since the early game is very Elim biased, and that flips so the late game is very Village biased.
  2. You weren't the only one - I was kind of blindsided by how quickly everything moved, and if I'd realised that ahead of time, I'd probably have balanced the game fairly differently. But I'll talk more about that when the GM thoughts comes out.
  3. They had time. They had to have time. “Lemonelon is clearly guilty here,” DeTess said. “We should expel them, and then we can figure out what to do from there.” “Yeah, that sounds great. Let’s lynch Lemonelon.” Wonko said. DeTess glanced at Wonko. There seemed to be something slightly… off about him. He tried to use his Tineye abilities to figure it out… no, DeTess must have just been paranoid. One by one, they agreed Lemonelon had to be expelled, despite his protestations. Finally, they reached Abstrusity. They looked torn, looking at Lemonelon. "You're sure you're not one of the Thugs?" "Yes. Would I lie to you?" Lemonelon talked slowly, as if any sudden movements might spook Abstrusity into calling for his expulsion. Abstrusity looked around, indecision clear on their face. "What do the rest of you all think?" DeTess opened his mouth to make his case, to remind Abstrusity of why Lemonelon was suspicious, but he never got the chance. "You have to vote according to what you think is right." Elkanah said. "Yeah. It's your choice, at the end of the day." Wonko added, smiling. "Don't let any of the rest of us sway who you want to vote for." Abstrusity paused. "OK. I think we should expel Coda." Wonko's smile widened. "You know, that's a good choice. Let's expel Coda." Coda looked around. "Wait, what? Lemonelon's clearly the guilty one here, why are we -" Elkanah grabbed Coda by the nape of his clothing. "I've heard enough from this Thug. Let's get rid of him." With that, he physically picked up Coda from the back of his clothing, and, despite Coda's flailing attempts to get free, easily walked with him out the front door of the school, returning a moment later wiping his hands clean. "Now, I think there's one more thing to get to." There was a stillness in the room as Wonko walked up to DeTess. Elkanah slowly walked around the edge of the room, watching DeTess like a cat watches a mouse. Sart and Abstrusity stood still, seemingly frozen by the sudden change in fortune. "You've caused a lot of trouble for us, you know." Wonko said. This entire time, the smile had never slipped from his face. "You nearly had us, right there at the end. You nearly took from us that which we rightfully deserved." Wonko kept talking, and Elkanah kept walking around the room - it was getting harder and harder for DeTess to keep an eye on both of them at once. "It was you, then? You murdered El, and Straw, and all those others?" Wonko smiled. "Of course not. You did. Or at least, that's the story that the headmaster will hear. We're simply doing our civic duty in making sure that you couldn't hurt any more of us poor students." "But, you don't have any actual ability as a Tineye, do you? That's why you needed to cheat your way in." Wonko smiled. "Not yet. But on behalf of my comrades, I'd like to thank you for your sacrifice." DeTess looked confused at him for a moment. Wait... where was Elkanah? Even as she had the thought, she felt the dagger go straight through her chest. No, not quite a dagger... a spike, of some kind. As she slowly collapsed, she felt it... draining her, as her abilities as a Tineye seemed to get absorbed into the Spike. "A steel spike, for absorbing Tineye abilities. You should be honoured. So far as we know, you may be the one of the first people since the Ascendance to have had this ritual performed on you. Just know that your powers, your beautiful abilities, will not go to waste. I'll be sure to use them very well." That's all DeTess saw before she lost consciousness. Wonko pulled out the Spike and ramming it through his own chest. Throughout the process, he had never stopped smiling. Coda was expelled! They were a Tineye Student. Vote Count: Lemonelon(3): DeTess, Elandera, Coda Coda(4): Abstrusity, Lemonelon, Wonko, Elkanah Elandera(1): Sart With that, the Elims have won the game! It's three on three, which means they could force a draw next cycle, meaning a villager and an Elim would die in the lynch and a villager would be killed the same day, leading to an Elim victory. GM thoughts to come in a day or so. GM Spreadsheet Thug's Lair (Elim Doc) The Almost Students (Dead Doc) Worried Parents (Spec Doc) Role Types: Boring Tineye: They scan correctly every cycle. If it’s a Student, they scan the player as a Student. If it’s a Determined Thug, they scan the player as a Determined Thug. Tinlie: If it’s a Student, they scan the player as a Determined Thug. If it’s a Determined Thug, they scan the player as a Student. (Sidenote: These were originally called Anti-Tineyes, but Abstrusity came up with a better name for them, so I'm using that. ) Confused Tineye: The result of the scan will be either Student or Determined Thug at random with equal probability. Naive Tineye: The result of the scan will always be a Student. Cynical Tineye: The result of the scan will always be a Determined Thug. Dawdling Tineye: The first cycle's scan is random. Every subsequent cycle, the result of the scan is the alignment of the player you scanned the previous cycle. Player List:
  4. And that's the cycle, and the game! The epilogue will be up shortly.
  5. Way to strike fear into a GM's heart. Just an error, that's been corrected. Also, it's a bit hard to vote on a dead player.
  6. The writeup will be edited in shortly, so I don't delay the cycle even further. Sorry about that. Darkness Ascendant was expelled! They were a Tineye and a Student. Snipexe was killed! They were a Tineye and a Student. DA(3): Sart, Lemonelon, Abstrusity Snipexe(1): DeTess, Elandera DeTess(1): Wonko Coda(1): Elkanah Player List:
  7. Sorry, @Abstrusity, that last vote was after the end of the cycle, I just wasn't on at the right moment to say so. I'm really sorry about that. That being said, the cycle is now over! The next cycle might be slightly delayed, unfortunately, so don't wait up if it's late wherever you are.
  8. I've argued on both sides of this debate at different points in time, depending on the precise definition of free will given. Strangely, I've also used the example of flipping coins and randomness in the debate, and in nearly the opposite way you have. Since you've already made the case effectively against free will, I may as well argue for it. We all know a coin is deterministic. If you flip it, there is an interaction between the coin and the air molecules, the precise strength and angular momentum with which it was thrown, and how it bumps against the table or palm when it lands, which causes one side to face up or the other. It's not random. However, if I were to ask you whether a coin I'm about to flip is going to land heads or tails, not even the strongest supercomputer on the planet could give me a definite answer faster than just watching the result. So, a coin isn't random. But it's effectively random. Any distinction between effective randomness and 'true' randomness is largely a semantic one, of no real practical consequence. It's possible to argue the same thing about free will. If I have no free will, but not even the strongest computer can say how I'm going to react to a particular thing before I react to it, in what practical scenario is the distinction even worth mentioning? The only scenario I've heard is a religious one, and in particular that 'true' free will not existing would be a major blow to Christian theological teachings. But (and I mean this with no offence intended to any Christians) Christianity is broad enough that I don't think it would be as large a blow as many atheists like to believe. Calvinist churches, for example, believe that God had preordained who will go to Heaven (this is a massive oversimplification, but will do for the conversation we're having here) would likely have no problem with 'true' free will not existing - if anything, it likely fits in better to their theology than a universe where free will exists.
  9. Pandemonium reigned. “What’s going on?” “Is everyone here a Tineye?” “Does anyone want to buy a hat?” There was one way to resolve this - work together to figure out the mystery. “We should expel Danjen. I heard they were a Thug.” “Yeah, that sounds good. Let’s expel Danjen.” “Sure, Danjen is as good as any.” There was no real argument, and eventually “I guess I’ll go. I’m a Soother - I tried to use Tin to see which of you were any good, but I don’t think the results meant anything for me. What kind of school only accepts Tineyes, anyway? This is meant to be a school for all the different kinds of Allomancers, isn’t it?” With that, Danjen walked out the door. Lumgol wandered slowly through the corridors. Yesterday, she’d have been worried about a Coinshot, especially wandering alone, but hey, there weren’t any coinshots in this group, were there? Unfortunately, that didn’t mean she was safe. She wandered into an atrium-like area, and looked up in wonder. What she didn’t see until it was too late was a marble bust toppling over, and falling straight onto her. Before she faded consciousness, she turned, trying to see where the object had come from… Standing a couple floors up, she could see some kind of figure standing there. She tried to make out the detailes... But her vision was fading, and she could only see a vague shape up there, as she slowly slipped unconscious. Devotary of Spontaneity has been expelled! They were a Confused Tineye and a Student! Lumgol has been killed! They were a Tineye and a Student! Vote Count: Devotary of Spontaneity(8): Snipexe, DeTess, Abstrusity, Elandera, Lemonelon, Lumgol, Wonko the Sane, Devotary of Spontaneity Wonko the Sane(1): Darkness Ascendant Confused Tineye: Each cycle, the player may scan a player for their alignment. However, the result will be either Student or Thug at random with equal probability. Quick sidenote: Please unvote the player you were previously voting on before voting on a new candidate. I'll still count the new vote even if you don't, but it helps for clarity's sake. Player List:
  10. The students gathered in the central room, trying to figure out who it was that murdered poor El. “I don’t trust that Lemonelon,” someone said. “They’re too quiet. They’re hiding something.” “But what about Variel!”, someone else exclaimed. “They pushed for us all to reveal our roles! So we could be murdered by those Variel tried to be as patient as possible. “I didn’t say we should. I just said it was an option. I think Lemonelon may be the better candidate.” “And now Variel’s trying to deflect! They seem way too defensive about all of this. They’re clearly one of the thugs!” The debate raged on. In the end, it came down to one vote. Elias looked at Variel. “Common scum like you have no place in a school like this, around people like me. Begone.” Variel stood, and turned. “Fine. I’m one of the people that killed El. But I have friends. And they’ll make sure each and every one of you wish you had the mercy of El’s quick death.” And with that, he turned and strode out of the room. Everyone huddled in their own corners, peering suspiciously at anyone who went past. That was the right approach. Watch carefully. Try to notice the slightest slip up. It’s how they’d gotten Variel, after all. They’d pay for that. And yet, there was one, who wasn’t watching close enough. One, who’d helped to expel Variel. One, who needed to be taught a lesson. Slowly, they approached the sleeping figure of Straw. Slowly, lit a match, and felt a warm glow spread across his face as he smiled, before dropping the match onto the blanket. The thing about straw? It burns very easily. Striker was expelled! They were a Tineye working for the Determined Thugs! Straw was killed! They were a Tineye and a Student! Striker(5): Wonko, Lumgol, Straw, Sart, Elkanah Lemonelon(4): Striker, Abstrusity, Coda, Devotary Wonko(1): DeTess Coda(1): Lemonelon Players:
  11. And with that, the cycle is over! Please stand by while I try to figure out what on Braize happened.
  12. 2 and a half hours left in the cycle! Be sure to get your actions and votes in.