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  1. When I was reading the OB preview chapters, I definitely thought it would be Adolin or Renarin given Dalinar’s visions of Odium’s Champion and his feeling that there was something familiar about him. Now, I’m not so sure. Out there theory with very little evidence: what if Ishar becomes Odium’s champion? There would be a poetic and tragic symmetry to a herald and former Bondsmith becoming the champion of the enemy.
  2. Not be that guy, but the back cover actually says that "One of them may redeem us. One of them will destroy us." Given that the back covers are confirmed to be written by the Aimians, "one of them will destroy us" is quite different from "one of them will destroy the world." It's very easy to see a scenario in which none of those 4 are chosen as Odium's champion but still end up destroying what is left of Aimia/the Aimian people. As for who actually will be chosen, I think the frontrunner right now is Moash, who is being set up as Kaladin's "big bad" for at least the first 5 stormlight books. On the other hand, I would be surprised if Brandon made it that obvious. My favorite theory on this topic is that Odium will choose one of the children that we've been introduced to as his champion: either Oroden or Gavinor. My speculation is primarily based on this epigraph from WoK: I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw. If Kaladin were chosen as Honor's champion, and Odium chose either baby Gavinor or Oroden as his champion, I think it's very likely that Kaladin would be unable to sacrifice a child for the sake of ending a desolation, or "gaining us further breath to draw." That could very well be how Stormlight 5 ends, with the forces of Honor losing because of Kaladin's choice.
  3. When Kaladin decides to save one of the bridgemen from another crew in WoK. That's the closest I've ever come to crying while reading a book/watching a movie (I'm just not much of a crier). Still gives me chills every time I re-read it. Kal is a very flawed and narrow-minded character at times, but he just cares so damnation much that it's impossible not to root for him.
  4. I don't have much to say about point 1, but... 2. Vin didn't commit suicide because Elend died. It was more that with Elend's death, she was freed to be able to sacrifice herself to destroy Ruin without any regrets. As further evidence, look at what happened in WoA when Elend was dying; she didn't think "oh, the love of my life is gone, what's the point of even trying to save the world" - it was quite the opposite, even if she was misled by Ruin. 3. Even if she wasn't the Hero in the prophecy, let's be real - she was clearly the hero of the original Mistborn trilogy, and even Sazed acknowledged that of all the people to hold Preservation's power, she was by far the most worthy. Brandon constantly subverts expectations, and it would have fallen into extremely overused and boring tropes of prophecy in fantasy stories for her to be the Hero. Finally, everyone on Scadrial in Era 2 acknowledges her as literally one of the greatest, most selfless, and important people to ever live. Does it really matter that she doesn't have the specific title of "Hero of Ages"?
  5. Only tangentially related, but this new WoB got me really excited for Era 3:
  6. Totally agree with this. I actually think Moash is a really interesting character, and a perfect counterpart to Kal - he's what Kaladin could easily have become without the guidance of Syl. In fact, had it not been for Syl's quasi-death, Kaladin was basically on the exact same path to kill Elhokar in WoR; and he didn't even have the same personal history that Moash did. Now, I don't believe at all that Moash will become a bondsmith, and I don't think he'll have a redemptive journey (I think his destiny is more like Miles Hundredlives). But I think the Moash hatred in general is pretty overblown: one of Brandon's most consistent themes throughout the Cosmere is that depending on time and circumstance, a villain in one story could easily be a hero in another (see: Kelsier).
  7. I think the new short story “The Traveler” adds some more (circumstantial) evidence that this is indeed what Hoid is trying to do.
  8. Sorry I’m so late to the party, but during my OB reread on a long flight to Asia, I stumbled upon this little quote from the stormfather (context - it’s after Mr. T and Dalinar’s fireside chat about innocence, guilt, and the duty of kings, during which Dalinar brings up a parable from WoK): The way that the stormfather speaks of Nohadon implies direct familiarity, which would make sense if Nohadon were a bondsmith. I’m going to preempt the argument that he could just be speaking from his knowledge of the visions Tanavast left him with - while that could technically be true, I can’t recall another unequivocal compliment from the stormfather about pretty much anyone. He certainly didn’t feel that way about any of the Knights Radiant, and he even sees Tanavast as flawed.
  9. Have you read OB? There's a LOT in that book that strongly hints at what happened to the shattered plains.
  10. He's one of my favorite cosmere characters. One of the things I love most about Brandon's writing is that depending on time and circumstance, many of his novels' heroes would be villains in other books, worlds, or eras (and vice versa). Kelsier and Dalinar, to name but two examples, are both essentially mass murderers who happened to become good men/align with a good cause late in their lives. Taravangian is pure, rational, logic taken to its most callous extreme. He's not evil: he simply seeks to protect those he can (which, on a tangentially related note, may literally be the fourth ideal of the Windrunners). He recognizes that Odium will destroy everything on Roshar, and beyond, if some kind of bargain isn't struck to preserve some small section of humanity. While I tend to be a pretty hopeful person and don't think I would make the same choices in his position, I can certainly understand why he's doing what he is. Furthermore, I find the ruthless Taravangian to be really funny: the "oh, kill those singing children" moment in his interlude chapter actually made me burst out laughing.
  11. While I was doing an OB re-read over the holidays, my interest was piqued by the first Interlude chapter: Puuli, the lighthouse keeper. This interlude seems to be the most disconnected in all of OB: the others are characters we've met before, or give interesting hints into previously unexplored locations, or foreshadow later events in the book (and perhaps that's all this one is, too). The main information we get in this interlude chapter is a mysterious prophecy from Puuli's grandfather: So, having seen little to no prior speculation on Puuli, what are our thoughts on these mysterious sailors from the Origin? I think they could refer to: 1) The return of surgebinders to Roshar. "They'll come with Light in their pockets" and "they'll come to destroy" are pretty clear references to what we later find out: that the first surgebinders were humans, coming to Roshar from Ashyn by worldhopping (perhaps through the Origin, if it is a shardpool/perpendicularity as some have theorized), and that they caused immense destruction on both planets. 2) The return of the Aimians. "Hidden island at the Origin" reeks of Akinah. Furthermore, we know thanks to Hoid (and WoB) that the residents of Natanatan have blue skin because they're actually Aimian-human hybrids. We already know Aimians are becoming more active throughout Roshar, and monitoring new surgebinders closely. It would make sense that they eventually plan to "reclaim Natanatan." The Light could refer to two things: Larkin, or Aimians regaining access to the surges (we know from the back covers that Aimians were once able to surgebind but lost the ability at some point). 3) The kingdom of Natanatan overlaps with where the shattered plains are currently located. Perhaps the prophecy could refer to the return of the fused (the Light being Voidlight), coming to reclaim their world? 4) Something completely unrelated to the above options that will be explored in the upcoming novella Wandersail. I'm sure there are possibilities I haven't thought of, but these were the main ones that came to mind. I know the obvious choice is option 1: that this interlude was simply meant to foreshadow the plot twist that human surgebinders were the original voidbringers, but I don't think that's the only significance to this quote and chapter. First, why would human surgebinders be "reclaiming" Natanatan when they were the ones who likely destroyed it? Furthermore, the interlude chapter immediately after this one is primarily there to foreshadow the translation of the dawnchant, and I don't think Brandon would waste two consecutive interlude chapters just to set up a reveal later in the book. I lean towards the blue guys. There are too many connections between Aimians, the Origin, and Natanatan for me to think this is a total coincidence. But I fully admit we're still operating on very limited information, and I'm venturing into the area of wild speculation.
  12. None come to mind immediately, but I found it really funny (and slightly out-of-place) when Brandon used the word "straight-up" in one of Shallan's chapters. I don't think I've seen such casual American slang used in any of his other books, at least not in-world.
  13. I was just going to post this WOB! I was very solidly in the Evi camp until I read this one. I know a RAFO doesn't mean much, but the way Brandon reacts to certain RAFOs is often illuminating, and I think this lends a lot more credence to the idea that Odium is talking about Adonalsium when he says "we killed you." As others have pointed out, Dalinar has at least some investiture from Honor, Odium, and Cultivation, which means it's at least possible that he may indeed be on the way to reforming Adonalsium and not just Honor's shard.
  14. Um, sorry, I guess? I don't understand why you're upset about it - I'd already explained that my wifi was really crappy, and when I posted an hour ago I wasn't able to load previous pages of the thread. I also added another WoB that you hadn't quoted.
  15. Yeah, I'm arguing your side, against Scavell. He asked which WoB I was referencing that had shut down the idea that there were exactly 9 desolations prior to this one, so I posted two that pretty definitively end that discussion.