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  1. I am so pleased everyone is trying to disprove my Roshar is doomed theory! There could be nothing more "journey before destination" than letting the planet burn because the only way to save the planet would be wrong (suckling babe, perhaps?) That's my second horrifying theory: Odium will appoint a baby as his champion, causing Dalinar to forfeit. Danilar (or someone) won't be able to cut its throat despite everyone wanting him to, and despite doing so letting the planet survive.
  2. I wonder if any nation is better at the "future sight paintings" thing that Awakener painters can create. Perhaps there is a medium more suited for the art, or ways to make the reading more vibrant or obvious, or even commands to extract the information from the paintings/viewer. What would happen with people of higher heightenings or a returned creating the art? Could the tears of Edgli create stronger paintings? Since a radiant can see something in the paintings, this art likely could be paired with all sorts of investitures.
  3. Adolin has a vague recollection of the mythical animal called a Lion, so that cultural point has survived up until now. To me, the lion represents the human half of the world while the dragon represents the Singer portion (Fur vs Scale).
  4. I just really don't think they survive the desolation (as a planet). This whole book is "journey before destination", and that journey is going to be about how losing a war with honour. We are seeing the next phase of the Iralia trail, and we are watching "the most important steps'"their society can make before they are called to leave Roshar for good. "I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw. " —Collected on Shashanan 1173, 23 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed youth of sixteen years. Sample is of particular note "So the night will reign, for the choice of honor is life... ” —Observed circa Ishi 1173 by Taravangian. Subject was King Valam of Jah Keved.[4]
  5. I want him to revive Maya, but to have a weakened bond with her.
  6. Interesting how involved the moons seem in that painting...
  7. People made of bugs seems SO Cultivation to me that I have to assume they originated on Roshar (or anywhere else Cultivation has meddled). Maybe they were from Braize before Odium showed up? Who knows, but Cultivation really should be involved.
  8. Well we don't really know anything about the people or culture back then, so who knows what happened? Maybe Honour just opened a portal, or Odium did to stress out Honour, or maybe they had been using Ashyen surges to travel already (we know they had a variant).
  9. Oh good point, but perhaps Parshendi are different. We haven't heard anyone complain of Parshendi mental screams after a battle, and we haven't seen a Parshendi death rattle. Or, and I know Brandon has said otherwise, Eshonia manages to come back as a Fused of her own making (I know its been deconfirmed, but maybe Brandon would lie).
  10. No one really dies on Roshar, but they stay around as cognitive shadows of varying strengths Evidence: Spoilers All Stormlight Archieve Some of theories (not sure which one I like best): 1. Honour and/or Cultivation as intents allow for cognitive aspects to either be held to the planet by oaths, to allow the dead to be cultivated and used. Possibly hatred/spite can keep people in this realm to certain extents as well 2. Whatever is trapping Odium in the system is having a weird effect on souls trying to leave the system as well. 3. Spren can't leave the system, and the souls of people on Roshar have a special connection that allows them to resist the pull of the beyond.
  11. I think this has more to do with time dilation between moving large distance, but Ashyen is basically next door so no such dilation would occur.
  12. Perhaps the survivors spoke different languages and different groups went different ways. I hadn't considered a world-builder to think of this, but good point. But this doesn't explain why the Vorin language would still use Axehound for something that would clearly have a Parshendi name. The Vorin language should have had more exposure and need for trade than the Shin language (expansion), but that's not the case. It is explicitly not the case when "axe hound" is noted by Wit. So while interesting, the theory of multiple languages landing in the Shin lands doesn't explain the discrepancy pattern. We know Ashe was born very close to the time of the explosion, and Ashe appears to be 30 years old max, so that really limits our timeline. Maybe Ashyen people lived 300 years, but then why do people now only like 80 or so? And maybe the heralds (most of them) did have investiture from Ashyen that kept them alive longer, but we also have no reason to believe that either. All we know is that Ashe was born very close to the migration (WOB says Brandon isn't sure if she was born before or after), and that means all of this likely went down very quickly. An isolated pocket of humanity likely wouldn't learn Parshendi in under 30 years, and would not be super inclined to learn it once the wars started and the Heralds became figureheads. Perhaps there was a LONG gap between the first few desolations and the humans relied on the Parshendi for economic support, but that doesn't hold. The Vorin language, which expanded east, would have had to assimilate more aspects of Dawnate as the exansion would directly place this Ashyenate language in direct trade contact with Dawnate. It shouldn't be the culturally established and geographically isolated Shin region in the west that absorbs the foriegn language (as a balance of probabilities). Again, we know almost nothing and I don't think anything is wrong. All I am saying is the evidence points to something extreme happening, like the Shin fell to the Parshendi in the past as the Vorin Language groups held on and resisted as they spread East. But this too is problematic as we have an Oathgate in Shin territory.... It just goes on and on.
  13. Applied Linguist here: Assuming Brandon is using language family correctly (and he doesn't mean sub-family), it makes NO sense that the Shin would speak a language in the Dawnate language family unless some real weird power relations went on. From what we know, AySHIN people land in the east, and within 1 lifetime (the heralds all came from Ashyen), we get our first human-caused desolation and the creation of the Heralds. With this near instant division, it is quite unlikely for the Ashyen refugees to adopt a Parshendi language unless the Ashyen refugees were being culturally dominated by the Parshendi and forced to learn the Dawnate languages. This is even more unlikely since we know the humans were originally hidden away on the western coast far from Parshendi influence. With the war, it seems unlikely that humans would adopt Dawnate in speaking, though adopting the writing system is far more reasonable like with what Japanese and Korean did with Chinese. Humans were likely to read about their new land, but it seems unlikely they would speak to one another in an adopted tongue in under 70 years. It is possible, but unlikely. One possibility is that the people in the Shin lands sided with Odium and teamed up with the Parshendi (cultural influence eroding their original language in the Shin lands), while the other humans fled east and retained the roots of their Ashyen language. This too is problematic, as the only evidence we have of an entire cultural group working with Odium (outside of individuals from visions) is Thaylena's Passion's which could be a remnant of that Kingdom working for Odium in the past. As well, the Shin currently seem extremely devoted to following Cultivation (as far as we can tell), which would mean the Shin had to switch sides several times in order to have developed this linguistic anomaly. Possible, but obtuse. Also, the desolations. Surely the humans hadn't migrated across the entire continent in 70 years. So as desolations occurred, humans began to move out further and further and take over Parshendi lands (we know Kolinar was once Parshendi) and began spreading the Ashyen Refugee culture while perhaps trading with Parshendi and adopting Parshendi technology, words, and grammars. We even get interbreeding with Horneaters and Herdazians (and perhaps creoles that cause Ayshenate to mingle with Dawnate). But this isn't what happened! The people who moved out East don't speak Dawnate! It was the ones with less contact that speak Dawnate for gods know whatever reason. Perhaps the Parshendi did not have a spoken language (songs were good enough) and the Parshendi adopted Dawnate as a new form of technology. The Parshendi seem to possess linguistic abilities that allow them to pick up languages faster, and technological advances tend to spur language migration. However,there is so little time for for the Fused to have adopted a human language for personal use when there were few economic or cultural reasons to do so once the war started. It appears neither side was subjected and forced into cultural submission until the end, and bi-partisan trade also seems quite unlikely due to the existence of the Oathgates and the fact Fused return to Damnation after a defeat. This is also unlikely since the earliest translated Dawnate texts are from a Parshendi POV, which lead us to believe Dawnate to be a Parshendi language. Then we have all other humans speaking entirely different language families further out West, where they should really all be traceable back to what the Shin spoke, minus some possible weirdness due to other populations immigrating (Iriali, and possibly Thaylen due to their suspiciously different physical traits). Did the Ayshenate refugee expansion lead to intermixing with other refugee languages from off-world, or did the people who left the Shin lands retain their original Ashyen languages while the people of Shin were influenced by Dawnate? What happened?!?! I am very curious to know if the Dawnshards were brought from Ayshen (since the humans destroyed their planet somehow), or if the Dawnshards are from Roshar. Knowing where those came from might tell us where the Dawnate language comes from originally.
  14. Other people expect her to age though. If everyone truly believed she wouldn't age then maybe she wouldn't. I am not sure if we have to include shards in the "everyone" category or not.