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  1. theory

    I think there is one truth that Shallan spoke as a child that she has repeated to Testament as an adult: "I am terrified". Shallan repeating this restored the connection to Testament in a way that was stronger than before, thereby allowing her to Soulcast in that instant.
  2. Agreed. Shallan is invested while Heleran is not. As well, Shallan was part of the event, so she may have more connection to the item in the safe than her brother. Or maybe Shallan is more connected to her mother (some think herald) than her brothers for some reason. It may even be related in some way to the screams that Szeth often hears after he has murdered someone. Point is there are a lot of ways to have Shallan's Light be something real considering the book's setting, motifs, and precedents,
  3. Loved the episode but was really hoping there would be some talk about the inconstancies with the information we have on Shallan's Mother's soul being but in a box, but then Shallan going to talk to Testement after the Soul was in the box, meaning that Shallan knew her mother's soul was not the Testament blade (but seems to have confused these later in life much as she has done with Pattern and Testament). With the reveal about Testament, it blows my mind that more people didn't look at the Glowing Soul of Light thing and not consider there may be some truth to what Shallan remembers. Shallan believes that: 1) Shallan is attacked because her mother is disgusted by Surgebinders 2) Shallan summons a blade to kill her mother in self defence. 3) Shallan's father picks up something glowing and locks it in a safe. 4) Shallan believes her mother's soul is trapped in a safe. 5) Shallan goes to the garden to yell at Testament and unbond the spren. 6) Shallan continues to see light radiating from the safe for the rest of her time in the Davar household. 7) Shallan retains some knowledge that she could summon Testament again (as she seems to know this is tWoK before meeting Pattern) ?) So why does Shallan believe anything is trapped in the safe if Shallan knew Testament would be in the garden to talk with her AND that Shallan knew on some level that she could summon Testament at any time (as she proves in tWoK and WoR)? What is there in the safe to consider locked-away? And why hallucinate light? Shallan may be loads of unstable, but she has never hallucinated before - she instead represses or stitches together narratives. If anything, she has some kind of magical connection-sight as shown by her ability to draw Yalb's actual survival on a beach. There is no reason to believe that Shallan made up the light besides a bias we have against her. When Shallan goes to the garden to unbond Testament, she is not crazy or repressing any of these events yet, so her understanding that Testament was not equal to the thing in the safe seems pretty clear and concrete to me. So to me it seems clear that something else was put in the safe and modern-Shallan has repressed memories and is conflating whatever was put in the safe with Testament (which she further conflates with Pattern). Could this be a Herald's soul? Could Shallan's father have known about Chanarach? Could the safe have been something other that just a run of the mill safe? With Seon in the mix, is there some other tech abound? It is just so odd. Add on the fact that Cryptics were drawn to child-Shallan for no currently apparent reason (so much so even that a dead spren didn't deter them and they tried a second time years later), that there are Seons involved somehow, the influence of an unmade is around the family, secret societies are abound and persistent (to the point where Maraize even says he should have known a Davar was a radiant despite Heleran not being one), and Shallan's parents fighting about Shallan's future all before these events, there is something very very special going on and non-standard about Shallan's family and the death of Shallan's mother in particular.
  4. PREACH Shallan's account of her mother's death and the events that happen shortly after to me are clearly meant to be suspicious to us now. Many people on the forums seem to think "well Shallan is crazy, so of course she hallucinated a glowing light and also hallucinated bright light coming from within the safe. Shallan just made up the fact that her father put her mother's soul in a box". But really? Does Shallan hallucinate, because to me she forgets or stitches false memories together; hallucinating light is not at all in keeping with her mental issues and is more in keeping with events like Dalinar seeing light when Jasnah reads the Way of Kings (and events of that nature). Heck, the theme of these books is "glowing magic light", so why dismiss this account of Shallan when it is in keeping with so many other weird light events? With the reveal about Testament, it blows my mind that more people didn't look at the Glowing Soul of Light thing and not consider there may be some truth to what Shallan remembers. Shallan believes that: 1) Shallan is attacked because her mother is disgusted by Surgebinders 2) Shallan summons a blade to kill her mother in self defence. 3) Shallan's father picks up something glowing and locks it in a safe. 4) Shallan believes her mother's soul is trapped in a safe. 5) Shallan goes to the garden to yell at Testament and unbond the spren. 6) Shallan continues to see light radiating from the safe for the rest of her time in the Davar household. 7) Shallan retains some knowledge that she could summon Testament again (as she seems to know this is tWoK before meeting Pattern) ?) So why does Shallan believe anything is trapped in the safe if Shallan knew Testament would be in the garden to talk with her AND that Shallan knew on some level that she could summon Testament at any time (as she proves in tWoK and WoR)? What is there in the safe to consider locked-away? And why hallucinate light? Shallan may be loads of unstable, but she has never hallucinated before - she instead represses or stitches together narratives. If anything, she has some kind of magical connection-sight as shown by her ability to draw Yalb's actual survival on a beach. There is no reason to believe that Shallan made up the light besides a bias we have against her. When Shallan goes to the garden to unbond Testament, she is not crazy or repressing any of these events yet, so her understanding that Testament was not equal to the thing in the safe seems pretty clear and concrete to me. So to me it seems clear that something else was put in the safe and modern-Shallan has repressed memories and is conflating whatever was put in the safe with Testament (which she further conflates with Pattern). Could this be a Herald's soul? Could Shallan's father have known about Chanarach? Could the safe have been something other that just a run of the mill safe? With Seon in the mix, is there some other tech abound? It is just so odd. Add on the fact that Cryptics were drawn to child-Shallan for no currently apparent reason (so much so even that a dead spren didn't deter them and they tried a second time years later), that there are Seons involved somehow, the influence of an unmade is around the family, secret societies are abound and persistent (to the point where Maraize even says he should have known a Davar was a radiant despite Heleran not being one), and Shallan's parents fighting about Shallan's future all before these events, there is something very very special going on and non-standard about Shallan's family and the death of Shallan's mother in particular.
  5. Getting back to the Cognitive Shadows having children, we now know that it is Returned AND ____ that have had cognitive shadow children, so this opens the door a bit more towards the idea that Shallan is a Herald child. Before that WOB, we could have assumed it was just Returned having babies and that no other Cognitive Shadow had managed/wanted to do it. Now that we are looking for an example to fill the "Returned and ____" slot, we get to look at Shallan more purposefully to see if she makes sense there given the on-screen evidence (as opposed to just taking random stabs at what has happened offscreen in other books). -- Of the Shadows we know, I would say Heralds seem like the closest thing to Returned that I can think of as they have their previous physical bodies reformed for them. As a bit of meta-evidence, if someone was to read Warbreaker they would make the connection to Heralds in a lot of ways, and children might be a logical question a reader would be asking about (almost like foreshadowing). Returned: Cognitive Shadows in functional restored physical bodies that are their own Heralds: Cognitive Shadows in functional restored (?) physical bodies that are their own Thaidakar: Fused: Cognitive Shadows that are stapled to a body that is not their own. (Unclear if the child would be related to the Fused-soul or not) Then we have Lifeless and Shades which are more like walking corpses than functional cognitive shadows, but there might be some wiggle room there to reproduce and end up with something weird. And then I guess the Stormfather, but we know he has had children kind of, so I dont think we are talking about him. ---
  6. But the Oathpact isn’t gone. Fused still must return to Braize after death but now can get to Roshar much faster because of the Everstorm. Kelek also seems to believe the oathpact exists - and the heralds are still clearly connected to each other through the pact. Something is there, and I just don’t believe Odium could bring back the fused with the Everstorm alone (with no Herald involvement)
  7. Oh, interesting! I too think Gavilar is not dead-dead, but I had not thought of that. Could it both perhaps? Gavilar goes, Shallan's mother dies and then agrees to swap with Gavilar? ---- For the Shallan's mother theory, we do now have another nod that non-returned cognitive shadows have had children, and we don't have many options for who those Shadows may be. Not proof, but making it more plausible that Shallan has a herald for a mother. Kingsdaughter613 I wanted to know if any of the non-Returned Cognitive Shadows have had children? Brandon Sanderson Yes.
  8. Thank you for this! I knew he could not have broken! So either: 1. The Everstorm somehow brute forced the Oathpact in the Oathpact's weakened state, and Fused were allowed through without a Herald quitting. 2. Another Herald Broke and the Everstorm was put into place after that to make this desolation the last one 3. Something we cant guess right now. Personally, I don't think Odium could return the Fused without a herald breaking. Sure, he could restore the Parshendi Singers, but I don't believe he could get the Fused to Roshar without the Oathpact being broken by someone (and that someone is not Taln).
  9. It is specifically said the challenge is more than that.
  10. Dalinar could have maybe asked what the challenge actually ENTAILS though... I am so mad he could consent without being told what he was consenting to - OR EVEN ASKING Edit: This actually kind of ruins the suspense I feel for book 5. The suspense of finding out what the battle of champions is seems forced and makes no sense - Dalinar should know and so should we.
  11. I think we have prod that Shards don’t know the limits of their power because Honour was surprised by surgebinders forming from a spren bond.
  12. Well, Gavilar had a lot of interesting information and was attempting to make himself something else entirely. We don’t really know what he figured out or what is “wrong” with Roshar’s afterlife. it is entirely possible Gavilar’s deathbed statement “tell him he is too late” was about something we don’t actually know about (instead of what we assume was bringing back the desolations).
  13. Without any specific spoilers, In another cosmere series, someone is dying and their handler says something like "You are allowed to serve us in the next realm" or something like that, so it seems something is going on on multiple worlds.
  14. I had asked if the Nahel bond was named after "El"
  15. In terms of timelines, Taln returns before the Everstorm, so that doesn’t make a lot of sense. We don’t know how the Everstorm could have caused a Herald to return, so I say we wait. As well, we have no idea how Ulim was able to get intelligence from Braize after he was freed. it’s hard to say who knew what