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  1. I have one thing to add here. This effect Shallan has on people around her is something you are right to notice but not because it is an aspect of Shallan's personality that attracted Pattern. We know that this effect is magical in nature, meaning it likely started with her and Pattern's bond, not before. I do think it is interesting to look at this power through the lens of the uncertainty principle as it could pretty neatly tie in the "Law of Attraction" new age thought ideas that seem to exist in this particular order of Knights. I do think you are focusing on the wrong set of ideas though. This seems more to do with Resonances, the nature of both Illumination and Transformation, and how they as powers interact than Shallan's human psyche. What are your thoughts about the above WoB?
  2. Im curious what you mean by connection here because we know that at least some of these definitely require Connection while a case can certainly be made for all the others. For example we know that Nahel Bonds are, if not a type of Connection itself, at least completely dependent on the Connection between the spren (which are pieces of a Shard's power) and the Radiant. Notice how the Stormfather completely conflates Connection with the Nahel Bond here. The other main ones I see you miss is Allomancy and Feruchemy. You're right that they require a bloodline but this is because the Connection needed to use the magic is hereditary on Scadrial. The below WoB, as well as contextual clues in the books, makes it it quite clear that Connection is definitely at play here. As for Awakening, I am of the opinion that Connection is needed here too. Breaths are literally pieces of Endowment's soul/power. By having one meld with your soul wouldn't you be Connecting yourself to Endowment? Consider that in the context of the below WoB and it makes it pretty clear that by holding even one breath you are being Connected to Endowment.
  3. Good points. I'll agree to disagree with the caveat that the grey skin from the tendrils seems more like the grey skin from Shardblades than the greyish skin of a drab in both severity and blotchiness, so I'm not totally convinced I'm wrong in making that connection. Not to mention the black smoke still present in the effects of both Shardblades and Nightblood.
  4. The reason I disagree with that second statement is rooted firmly in a mistake I see in the first. Nightblood certainly doesn't consume its wielders in the same manner as a Divine Breath consumes its Returned. As seen at the end of Oathbringer, the tendrils Nightblood emits while drawn seem to consume the physical form of Szeth in addition to the stromlight he possessed. The interesting bit about this effect is the grey skin that the consumption left behind, a phenomenon we've only ever seen from Shardblades. If the main aspects of Nightblood's consumption effects that differ from what we've seen on Nalthis can be reasonably traced back to the effects of Shardblades and how they destroy things it makes sense that his consumption of outside investiture and his destructive nature is rooted in the realmatic nature of Shardblades. This is without mentioning the black smoke shown in both the destructive power of Nightblood and that of Shardblades. I've thought about it and I just don't see the same evidence of Ruin's nature being present in Nightblood's consumption effects. The only real connection I see is the point you brought up, that Nightblood is destructive, but that is far from evidence that Ruin is involved in Nightblood's effects. Consider someone as ignorant of the nature of Shardblades as we are of Nightblood, they could just as easily think "There is good evidence that Shardblades hold Ruin's investiture as well as Honor and Cultivation's; they are the most destructive weapons on Roshar, can penetrate souls with metal in a way similar to Hemalurgy, and even leave behind a smoke that is the color associated with Ruin!" Just because we're seeing destructive potential from Nightblood that exceeds our preconceived notion of what would come from Endowment's powers doesn't necessarily mean its Ruin's effect in the same way that Shardblades aren't of Ruin despite their destructive potential that exceeds what we'd expect of Honor and Cultivation. The two phenomenon of Nightblood's consumption effect and a Shardblade's destructive power just seem too tied together for it to be a coincidence. Thoughts?
  5. We recently got a WoB that touches on this subject so I thought I'd post. @Extesian recently got the below WoB on reddit: This definitely leads me to believe that the magic system on Nalthis is what is responsible for the destructive force of Nightblood (not some kind of effect from Ruin's investiture at his inception) while the manner of acquisition is merely an effect him being a Shardblade. We have seen Shardblades penetrate people's spiritual aspects so it makes sense that one made using a magic system that we now know powers itself through any available source would take advantage and consume this pool of investiture it is clearly able to manipulate. This explanation obviously makes some leaps in logic, but much less so than one that involves Ruin's investiture being present at his creation. As for what Brandon meant in that WoB, I'm of the opinion that Nightblood possessing Ruin's investiture is simply from him consuming Scadrian investitute post-creation. What are your guy's thoughts on this topic now that we've gotten this WoB?
  6. This is my answer to that question.
  7. Interesting interpretation, good theory. I'm still convinced that this conversation was alluding to a theory of mine: that the scream's Dalinar hears are connected to Szeth and the Herald's madness. Read the below WoB and let me know what you think:
  8. Wrote this and thought a few people here could relate to a couple aspects of this poem, let me know what you guys think! CALLIGRAPHY My father’s letters blot a supple canvas. Calligraphy soaked the pulp with beauty innate, intricately symbolic patterns intertwined. In the designs I see myself. Not scribbles in a thrown away note, but a note of discord’s complex clef, a cutting pitch within a careful lattice of music. Father’s cordial warmth is seen, not heard. Illustrated in the way his loving arms caress my mother. His brown limbs, a taboo, are tattooed with symbols of culture. He exists as one in discord as his dark skin contrasts my mother’s pale frame. Those he touches are his canvas of affection. I was born as one, my skin colored fawn. My father inscribed it, conferring love, culture, and a burning crimson passion for words. The pen’s strokes bleed through paper and into the next medium. My blood, his.
  9. How many people are there with Royal Locks throughout history? Its not like they're born every day, Endowment's will being directly involved would be feasible even if she wasnt nearly omnipotent and omnipresent. I agree. I just dont think Nalthian shardblades are all Type IV, sorry I didnt make that clear. The type IV distinction requires sapience while these shardblades seemingly dont have them. Me neither apparently, went looking but I think I misremembered him being able to change size while drawn. I would disagree (partially). Read the WoB below: I think those black tendrils when he's consuming, leaving behind grey marks, is related, although the grey skin is a consequence of seemingly every shardblade. Any type of Ruinous investiture has not shown this effect. Regardless... I probably agree with you here, which is why I said "I've come up with my own explanation for at least some of his oddities." There just isnt much info here to do some proper speculation so I held off in this post at least, as I felt what I had was well supported. Thanks for the feedback! Edit: @Jace21 @TheFoxQR Just wanted to add that Cognitive Shadows and spren have been described as pretty much the same thing, and while Nightblood has been described as a "robot spren" I think he still fits in that family of entities.
  10. Introduction Many moons have passed since Sanderson turned his back on these forums and left us hollow, in darkness. A drought of Nalthis material like a shadow across this community. Gone are dreams of a colorful world, dreams of light. Left to the grey of Mistborn books after Stromlight books, many have given up hope of even an essay. I had all but forgotten the vibrant view of Vivenna's likeness on that most sacred of covers or the sharp bite of Lightsong's colorful wit. That is until I had (and shared) the ideas that became this theory and just had to do a reread! I've shared these ideas before, but after the Skyward tour I thought it deserved a bit more fleshing out. Thematic, frivolous intro aside, I hope you guys enjoy the theory! Sapient Objects and the Royal Locks Since the first days of Warbreaker's release there has been rampant speculation about Nightblood and the mystery surrounding his creation. From Hemalurgy to Shardic interference, I've seen many theorized causes for Nightbloods nature but none I'd readily subscribe to. After thinking about it long enough I've come up with my own explanation for at least some of his oddities; I believe that the act of creating a sapient awakening allowed for Nightblood to inherit a Divine Breath via the same realmatic mechanics surrounding the Royal Locks. While this seemed a little far fetched when I first proposed the idea, I believe recent WoB as well as themes within the book point to this theory being well within the realm of possibility. There are more than a few things in Warbreaker that lead me to this conclusion, but lets start off with what solidified this theory in my mind. Read the below WoBs: How could the endowment of a Divine Breath from Shashara to Nightblood work in my mind? Let's start off with what we know about the Royal Locks. Vo is the very first example we have of someone who successfully created offspring as a Returned. The mysterious method that he used to accomplish this lead to the descendants of Vo having a piece of a divine breath within them, allowing for passive powers similar to (but weaker than) a Returned's. The second example we see in the books of something similar is the method the ruling priests of Hallendren used to create new God Kings, which may or may not be the same method used by Vo. Not only is this example important because of who must have been the one to teach the priests this method (Vasher), it also reveals that a Divine Breath can be passed down in a manner similar to the Royal Locks. The Creation of Type IV Entities Now that I've laid down the background information let's go over what we actually know about Type IV Biochromatic entities. First off, it is relevant to remember that it seems as if Nalthian Shardblades can be created without the object gaining sapience and becoming a Type IV. Secondly, here is Vasher's description of the process used to create Nightblood as well as some important context: Reading that first in-book quote makes red lights go off in my head; we know that intention is very important to awakening, so how could Vasher and Vivenna have created Nightblood while not understanding how their own process worked? Based on Vasher's description, Nightblood should have been something like the awakened sword we see Vivenna using throughout Oathbringer. In fact, I believe that is exactly should have happened (if indeed the method used to create this sword is the same) and that there was another entity guiding this process. One with significant control over Divine Breath and who gets endowed with them. Read the below WoB: For me to explain this, lets go back to the topic of Godkings and their Divine Breaths. As it's described by Brandon in the annotations, the process used to achieve this does not always work; Godkings must sometimes be found in the form of an infant Returned. This, combined with the below Arcanum passage, leads me to believe that Endowment has the power to control when a Divine Breath is passed down after someone uses this process. This would neatly explain why Nightblood's creation was a mystery to the two scholars that created him and why, unlike almost every other magical process in the Cosmere if you know what you're doing, creating an offspring with a Divine Breath is unreliable. Nightblood's Powers - Aside As an aside, the other main thing that convinces me of this theory is Nightblood's effects themselves. He seems to very obviously possess properties of a Returned, from Vasher's direct mention that Nightblood's consumption of breath is like that of a returned, to him having mind controling abilities like what we see from Vasher with animals and children, to being able to manipulate his physical form, it just seems like this would fit the narrative in a smooth way. Conclusion I've come to like this theory more and more, the idea that Shashara could have passed on a key to Initiation to Nightblood simply by designing and creating him is something so wholly Nalthis. Im curious to see what you all have to say. Are there any holes in this theory? Points of disagreement? Let me know down below and thanks for the read!
  11. I've been theorizing in my head a bit about these Echoes we see in the sample chapter. My idea is that they are akin to the voices Szeth and Dalinar hear. My reasoning is predicated in part on a couple complicated theories of mine involving Unmade influence, but long story short cause I'm in a rush, the unmade seem to be involved in magical hallucinations (like people seeing things when deeply under the Thrill) and madness and I think this might be a related phenomenon, not caused by Unmade but maybe coming from the same magical ballpark. Reference WoB below:
  12. I got a WoB at the Chicago signing for Skyward that is very relevant to this theory so I thought I'd bump it. I definitely think this gives my ideas more weight. While it doesnt touch on my conjectures about the Heralds, I believe this shores up the foundation of evidence that those were built on. I'll admit that there is an argument to be made that my wording was too loose and that one could still believe the counter arguments proposed in this thread, but I think this is as close to an outright answer on the topic as I could have gotten without baiting a RAFO. What do you guys think? Does this WoB sway you to think I'm right when coupled with the evidence I presented in the OP, or do you guys hold other beliefs on these voices? Feel free to voice your opinion, poke holes, or add ideas since the last round of discussion on this thread!
  13. Planning on flying in friday morning, should have plenty of time to spare to make the signing. See y'all there!
  14. @Pagerunner we just got a new WoB that hints at Unmade having existed on other planets in the Rosharan system:
  15. ketek

    I love this thread, might as well contribute after lurking all this time. Torturous leaves sprout, seeds of doubt springs doubt of seeds, sprout leaves torture.