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  1. It's worth noting that if Dalinar was only pulling in small amounts of Stormlight, it's possible it'd heal the worst of the damage but still leave visible or prominent scars on the outside. Then we'd have exactly the observed phenomenon. Depending, of course, how Stormlight healing if it's worst-first, least-first or a sort of general boost. But I was kinda of thinking about how Sazed heals in WoA where he's alive but not entirely whole. The biggest issue with this is timing, even being generous and assuming that Dalinar gained the ability to draw in some quantity of Stormlight on the day Gaviliar died (which seems a stretch) there's still decades of warmongerin' and injuries to account for. It's possible some amount of the injuries were on the shattered plain, but I don't think they all were.
  2. It's also worth noting that the Diagram mentions that it is very likely that indeed, there were no desolations because Taln hasn't broken. I think it's from an epigraph but it is ...and now, I'm doing this off the top of my head, but it's something like "The Ancient of Stones, upon whose will the peace and prosperity of four thousand years has depended, must finally crack" Presuming Taln is the Ancient of Stones...yeah.
  3. To clarify, neither Wax nor Wayne feel like real people, but for different reasons. Wayne is indeed deliberately absurd, he's part troll and part loyal henchman, but in a pretty synthetic larger-than-life fashion, among other things. I believe I said that he's actually pretty good, but the problem is that I can't readily empathize with him because, well, he's just so very obviously a fictional character from the boots up. The only big scene that really hit home for me was in the Survivor's Temple, when you get to see the fear and desperation in him. Wax doesn't feel like a real character because he's almost the opposite; he's a tired stereotype for the most part and he feels like he's picked out of a western in the discount bin at your local bookstore, not from the same author who gave us people like Kaladin, Lightsong, Kelsier, Vivenna, Vin, Elend, Hrathen and Raoden. I feel like you've probably picked up on this to a degree, and perhaps this was even the point, but you (or rather I because it was, after all, my opinion that spurred this) can't handwave this because of all the other cool and relatively fresh spins on characters Sanderson gives us. To further elaborate 'people are not original' is not a valid defense for such a generic action hero because it doesn't go anywhere; it's neither emotive nor evident enough to counter the claim. I'll grant you this; if over the past decade and more Sanderson had done nothing but throw stock characters into cool new worlds then I'd have less of an issue because I hadn't come to expect more, but it more feels like a letdown because that isn't what I've seen. Hey I get that, he reminds you of someone you know, say no more. Connections to a book will always, in part, depend on the readers experience. I acknowledge this.
  4. We evidently have rather different tastes, but hey, it takes all sorts of fruit to make a salad.
  5. Exactly, and right on with the Vader thing. Thanks for your input
  6. My 2 cents? Wax and Wayne are boring. Worse, they rarely feel like people. I mean, maybe characters, but not really...original ones? Like they are the first Sanderson characters I really disliked at first, and still didn't really like by the end. I kinda feel like like Sanderson sat back and went, "I'll have two stock standard characters, one will be a tough lawman, the other will be his funny comic relief sidekick....I'll call them...Wax and Wayne, yeah." For one, I get really tired of how stupidly killy Wax is. Like, there's scenes where he just sorta ploughs through handfuls of people with no real sense of danger. The series does get better, but even Steris and Marasi feel like cutouts half the time. It's only come BoM that the characters feel alive and it starts to feel like a Mistborn book again. Wayne is actually good at times -funny and such- but he never really feels like a real character and his gun thing just comes across tacked on. The setting in general is cool, and it's really great to see the world progress and be expanded from Era 1, but the characters are undoubtedly lesser. Vin is amazing, putting aside the fact that she feels like a real person who almost always has tangible reasons for what she does...she's maybe one of the best characters in literature. I like that she's this dynamic mix of shrewd, vulnerable and insanely capable and unlike many characters, she steadily grows and evolves over her three books. When Sazed said she was the person most worthy of Preservation's power he is right on. Elend is a really solid character in his own right, especially to examine him from TFE to HoA.
  7. Hold on, presuming Spook to be noble, and presuming nobles prefer to breed amongst themselves (as was historical) it's also possible his blood could be effecting two different populations differently; the greater Elendel/basin and the noble houses. Do we know if nobles as of Era 2 are notably more likely to be Allomancers? Or was this lost post catacendre due to crossbreeding?
  8. I presumed he meant the opposite, or rather that there's a lot to talk about.
  9. This makes sense, given that Survivorism is the most stereotypical rigid church. I'm kind of surprised about Roshar in general though.
  10. Honestly? I think we already know of at least two decent possibilities. Raoden and Wulfden. Raoden is obviously devoted but he's also well capable of ruling and seeking dominion, as demonstrated by his takeover of Elantris. The only real question of these is how devoted Wulfden really is, as he clearly seeks dominion. I thought Devotion and Dominion weren't polarised at all, but synchronised, thus why there's only one magic in all of Sel. Plus I thought the Dor was so volatile because of all the power being in the cognitive, not the spiritual.
  11. Hrm. I'm with spool, I don't think Nahel spren have any odium in them. Odiumspren do exist, but I don't think they're one or part of them. Part of this is because, unless I am mistaken, Surgebinding is the art that is Honour/Cultivation. I don't think there's 'room' for Odium in there. I presume that for the Storm Arts Voidbinding would be Odium/Honour and a third (old magic? Maybe?) Is Cultivation/Odium.
  12. Geralt has more time on the page, but a lot of those are focused on Ciri. Ciri has a lot of time on the page, and a lot those are focused on Ciri.
  13. Ironic given your username, but pretty cool. Hey Kay, That's not a terribly good argument. A point that all the characters dying was lazy end tying, since pretty much everyone dies who doesn't appear in ANH, can't be refuted by pointing out cameos by people like the Gold and Red Leaders who aren't characters (for any practical purposes) and who are in a New Hope, so can't have died...yet (RIP Red Leader, circa ANH). Don't get me wrong, they were cute cameos and I appreciated them, but it acts against your point. -as a subpoint, none of the characters really became main characters. They're more or less given to us and introduced in bitesized chunks. It's not like it starts with twenty people who steadily die off like in some disaster movie. But perhaps I wasn't making myself completely clear when I was saying it didn't feel authentic. A major element in this is that, not only does everyone die, but they die in a tremendously formulaic way. It basically goes, CHARACTER must to do THING, CHARACTER does THING, CHARACTER dies. Usually with the last two separated by mere moments. Character seem to last just long enough to do their THING and then plot shields fail and they die. Putting aside the fact that I'd barely count Saw as a character. Saw was perhaps the worst offender with this (or Chirrut) where he appears just long enough to wave the cast to the next plotpoint before dying pointlessly. You see the same with Chirrut with the switch, the same with with K2SO and the archive, the same with Bodhi and the transmission and the same with Jyn and the message. I think Baze is the only outlier here, since he managed to die doing nothing at all. As for continuity issues caused by them surviving, what exactly are people like Baze or Chirrut going to do that'd violate this so much? There's little reason that they'd have to be at the Death Star, and the Rebel Alliance is a galactic resistance, there's pretty much entirely legitimate groundwork they could be doing lightyears away from the action in ANH. Finally, for anyone who would like to point out the Everyone Dies is somehow more mature or in keeping with the "grim reality" of warfare...what war are we speaking of? From Cannae to Waterloo, from Pharsalus to Stamford Bridge to the Battle of Britain and on there's pretty much no wars, let alone battles, where everyone dies. Having every named character die, if not done appropriately, is about as bad as having every character live. It wasn't done appropriately here. [Should be noted that I'm not bashing anyone's opinions, but if people wanna debate, I'm happy to do so]
  14. Experience is probably an element as well. Vin and Kelsier were both talented, but Wax has had twenty or thirty years to work his skills. But you're on the money, the fact Wax can manipulate his weight helps with his Pushing. It also helps that Modern Mistborn has a lot more fixed metal.
  15. Splendid work. 1 up.