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  1. Don't know if you ever read the series "The Imager Portfolio", but if what you say is the case, I could see things working out very similarly to that. In the book series, those imagers that are relatively unskilled are used to image into existence basic machine parts and materials that can be then used for more complex development. While the greater skilled imagers are used in espionage or other more complex pursuits. Basically elantrians that are not as proficient in drawing aons, can be provided this equations and they just follow the outlines mass producing them, while those more proficient handle more complex tasks such as the development of such equations.
  2. There is a theory that has popped up in the past that they are Svrakiss. Here are a bunch of WoB that Brandon has RAFO. Questioner Miles Hundredlives, is he possessed by a svrakiss from Elantris? Brandon Sanderson *long pause* That's a RAFO, you are onto something... I wouldn't say possessed, but influenced by something is definitely a possibility. You are not 100% on. Salt Lake City Comic-Con 2014 (Sept. 4, 2014) Dirigible (paraphrased) Are the Svrakiss cognitive shadows? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) RAFO. But you expected that. Arcanum Unbounded Fort Collins signing (Nov. 29, 2016) Dirigible Have we seen a Svrakiss in a book so far? Brandon Sanderson Um... RAFO Dirigible Can you tell us anything about Svrakiss, like are they originally from Sel? Brandon Sanderson Um... I'm not going to go into that. Calamity Denver signing (Feb. 19, 2016)
  3. This is how I have seen the situation for awhile, and I believe the WoB I have posted below supports that. Having said that, @ILIYA, you have an interesting theory and I wish you luck with it! Questioner If I had any questions at all, I would say: ramp? Stormlight Archive, as it's going forward, like super power creep issues. The characters get so powerful so quickly, and it's gonna be a 10 (hopefully) book series. Brandon Sanderson Remember, it's two sets of five. And we will be... how about this. We're just gonna RAFO you now, because I'm being recorded. I'm not gonna give you any hints about the future. Just... I've got it in hand. I was able to write three books about Rand al'Thor at the height of his power, so I'm pretty convinced I'll be okay. DragonCon 2019 (Aug. 29, 2019)
  4. I think that would all still line up if Trell was an Avatar of Autonomy. For instance we have confirmed that:
  5. Oh totally, though in discussing topics, the context of the discussion/situation also comes into play to inform on the context of the user. So although as you said, a religious individual could explain the conflicts of omnipotence and omniscience with full faculty and knowledge, as well as an atheist could agree with the existence of faith and god (for instance Steven Hawking elaborating on his theories of a finite universe, and that a person that believes can enter the theory with the premise of such, and it reasonably self conclude as well as a person that does not believe enter the theory with the premise of such, and it reasonably self conclude). Anyone can bark like a dog, not just a dog, and not all dogs bark or at least bark in the classically same way, but when one considers a sound a dog makes, based on the context they would think in terms of a dog barking. So although atheists as individuals can think all sorts of ways, and hold all sorts of complex and conflicting thoughts, when we are presented with the discussion as we have been, with the arguments presented, and the one presenting and being presented to is an atheist, and has made this view clear on multiple occasions in various contexts, one can (when requested) going on the context and content, present and explain concepts based on that context and content. Or at least that was my rationale and attempt lol. But forgive me in advance if this has turned into a roundabout way of talking past each other lol.
  6. So it was asked of Brandon what would Jasnah need to be presented with for her to say god exists, and Brandon replied the omnipotent/omniscient god. I have included the WoB below: Robert W Does Jasnah still consider herself to be atheist and what would she have to see in order to change her view? Brandon Sanderson Jasnah would stop being atheist if she got definitive proof of an omniscient and caring and omnipotent God. She does not, and I kind of agree with her, consider the Shards to be Gods (capital G). In her realm these are beings that, you know, everything is Invested, they're Invested more. Atheist means she does not believe that there is, in these terms, an omnipotent God. It doesn't necessarily have to mean loving, I might have said that. She means that there is no omnipotent, capital G God. She doesn't think one exists. She would need to have irrefutable proof that they do or that they did and then she would believe. It doesn't mean she would worship, but it does mean she would believe. YouTube Livestream 32 (June 3, 2021) It was never my intent to imply an atheist could never be convinced to believe in god, just a theist could never be convinced god does not exist. I think both are perfectly plausible and possible. However, as I said, I thought the point was to understand Jasnah's reasoning for stating math existed outside of a supreme being. As Jasnah is an atheist, I assumed that when explaining, one should take the perspective of an atheist thereby to explain the rationale. As I said, anyone can be convinced in either direction. That is why the overall topic of Jasnah and Taravangian's discussion is an ongoing discussion. Because if there was a conclusive argument that answered all issues for everyone, there wouldn't be a discussion to be had. So there will always be a person that would like to reply to the last reply and go "oh but wait, there is this".
  7. I believe where the disconnect is happening is when shardblades were first grabbed, they could not be dismissed. You had to carry a giant sword with you everywhere. There is WoB on that. It is affixing the gemstone that allows it to be bonded, and dismissed. So since Shallan did not affix a gemstone to bond to the blade, she could not have dismissed it. Though it could be said considering she is the original radiant that broke the oath, perhaps there is still semi a connection enough to dismiss it, avoiding that issue. (highlighted the pertinent portion of the WoB) Adontis I've always wondered, how do you determine where the line between "Word of Brandon" and "Read and Find Out" is? Has it ever caused issues where you've said something, but later that thing changed when it went into a book making your first statement now false? Thanks so much for writing as much as you do, I'm looking forward to all your upcoming books, keep up the great work! Brandon Sanderson Boy, this one is an art, not a science. I've several times said something that I later decided to change in a book. I've always got this idea in the back of my head that the books are canon, and things I say at signing aren't 100% canon. This is part because of a habit I have of falling back on things I decided years ago, then revised in notes after I realized they didn't work. My off-the-cuff instinct is still to go with what I had in my head for years, even when it's no longer canon. An example of this are Shardblades. In the first draft of TWoK in 2002, I had the mechanics of the weapons work in a specific way. (If you wanted to steal one from someone, you knock off the bonding gemstone, and it breaks the bond.) I later decided it was more dramatic if you couldn't steal a Shardblade that way--you had to kill the person or force them to relinquish the bond. It worked far better. But in Oathbringer, Peter had to remind me of that change, as I just kind of nonchalantly wrote into a scene a comment about knocking off a gemstone to steal a Shardblade. These things leak back in, as you might expect for a series I've been working on for some twenty years now--with lore being revised all along. So...short answer...yes, I've contradicted myself a number of times. I try very, very hard to let the books be the canon however. So you can default to them. As for what I answer and what I RAFO...it depends on how much I want to reveal at the moment, if I'm trying to preserve specific surprises, or if I just want people to focus on other things at the moment. Like I said, art and not science. damenleeturks In WoR, Navani muses to Dalinar about how the gemstones in the Blades could be the focus that allows the bond with the Blade to exist. If this theory is correct, it would follow that someone could damage that gemstone and thus be able to steal the Blade with it then having no intact bonding mechanism, right? I guess I'm having trouble seeing how the example you describe isn't possible. Peter Ahlstrom The gemstone is needed to create the bond and operate the bond's functions. If you remove the gemstone, the person the sword is bonded to can't summon it or dismiss it to mist. But neither can anyone else. If they eventually pop another gemstone in and try to bond it themselves, they will fail, and the original person can then resummon their Blade. The bond is with the dead spren of the Blade, not with the gemstone. The stone facilitates the bond. So, you can haul around a de-gemstoned Blade with you all the time and successfully steal it that way. But this makes it very easy to steal back. You'd have to kill the holder of the bond in order to rebond it. Which is no different from usual. And in general, if you can get close enough to a Shardbearer to steal their Blade, you are also close enough to kill them anyway. Phantine So that scene where Dalinar crushes the gemstone and hands the Shardblade over, he's also doing some sort of mystical de-bonding? Or is it just 'if you WANT to give it up, you gave it up'? Peter Ahlstrom Yes, if you want to give it up, you gave it up. Phantine If nobody is currently bonded to it, does the attuning still take a week? Otherwise it seems weird people would figure out putting a gemstone in hilt lets you summon it, since nothing would happen without a week of bonding time. ricree Not that weird. One of the books (WoK, I think) mentions that many years passed before the gemstone bonding was discovered. Shardblades were still really valuable, though, and even more vulnerable to theft, so it makes sense that people would have kept them close at hand long enough for the bonding process. Other than that, all you need is someone to accidentally decorate the blade correctly, which is something that took a long time to happen, but was probably bound to happen eventually considering how key infused gemstones are to the world. Peter Ahlstrom Well said. /r/fantasy AMA 2017 (Feb. 10, 2017)
  8. I guess where I keep getting confused regarding this thread, is I thought the purpose of it was to better understand where Jasnah (as an atheist and utilitarian) is coming from and what are her arguments. Taravangian was the one that replied that if a deity was not the source of/force of which they depended on (math, morality, and human will), then that deity served no purpose. Taravangian was the one that felt that if that was the case (math, morality, and human will existing separate from a deity), then the deity's purpose of existing ceased. Jasnah replied based on that reasoning, it would indeed in that light, remove the necessity of a deity. Now for a religious utilitarian as the one you used in your example, it would make perfect sense to start on the premise that there does in fact exist an entity with perfect knowledge. Then building on that premise, everything that follows is perfectly reasonable. But it still depends on the premise of an entity that can in fact be all knowing for it to be reasonable to follow such an entity over one's own judgement. Thereby, as you said, it would be reasonable to hold such a being's opinion in high regard and follow its tenets. (Though also as you said, we would also have to assume such a being has to be benevolent (i.e. in order to rely on information from an all knowing entity, we must know that said entity is not trying to trick us and lie to us), which in various philosophical discourses, just like all philosophies, is up for debate) So I return to what I thought was the point, which was how would Jasnah (the atheist utilitarian) approach it. And since the question has now slid from Taravangian's metric of what makes a deity's existence of worth, to now that of the supreme advisor, the question would then lead to for an atheist, what proofs are there that an all knowing being could exist? And if such being could exist, what proofs are there that such a being could be trusted? But since me explaining the reasoning behind those questions can be seen as attacking various religions, I will leave it there. Ultimately the reason I thought this was about understanding the view and the arguments, over trying to dispute the view and arguments is because there will always be a response from either side to either side. And I say there will always be, because if there was in fact an argument that covered all bases, and completely resolved the question, then there wouldn't be any discussion anymore. Because there would be a resolution. A finality if you will.
  9. Yeah, it looks like to me that he intended Amaram to be an inner monster for Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, and Oathbringer, but when he received some of the fan disconnect, he walked it back to be a bit of a descent. That way it would come off as still a progression, but maintain the purpose of being a false face. edit: Having re-read your post, the part about advancing his career and religious mission, I do personally disagree with you on that, and have a WoB (that I have to find. Arcanum has been difficult finding WoB on of late.) to back that up. But I am not stating that to try and change how you feel about the character. More for completeness in presentation. By the scenes where his delusion is challenged. 1. Challenged by Kaladin after killing Kaladin's men 2. Challenged by Dalinar to save Adolin in the ring during the 4 shardbearer fight 3. Challenged by Kaladin in the ring after the 4 shardbearer fight 4. Challenged by Dalinar regarding the theft of the shardblade 5. Challenged by meeting the Herald Taln with his madness 6. Challenged by the events unfolding at the end of Words of Radiance 7. Challenged by Dalinar repeatedly when claiming to be trying to reunite Kholin and Sadeas princedoms 8. Challenged by Jasnah in front of the scholars 9. Challenged by Dalinar regarding the positioning of Amaram's forces 10. Challenged by Kaladin during their final fight after consuming Yelig-nar Hmm, came out to ten. Totally did not intend that, but that's cool lol. Basically those are prime examples of moments where his delusion is challenged, he has a crisis moment, and then he acts (by trying to remove the disruption) or rationalizes (by finding an excuse) to reassert the delusion. But I acknowledge fans of the character will view those moments in a different light. I was just responding to your query on how I tell the difference.
  10. So I prescribe to the theory that Amaram had narcissistic personality disorder. The theory goes into all his various interactions he has had in that light, and makes sense to me. So someone with such a disorder would have gone through those self reflections, and actions to maintain the delusion, and then when the reality disputes the delusion, follow it up with the mental leaps to maintain said delusion. But I don't think the intention was to debate Amaram. If you are curious about the arguments for and against Amaram having narcissistic personality disorder, I can pull up the thread that went into it at length, and link it if you like.
  11. So the answer to that does actually come up in the WoB I was referring to, so I will post them below and offer a little commentary for why I still posted them in line with your question. But TLDR, Amaram was always meant to be that way since Way of Kings. We just didn't get to see it on screen as much, and since the reaction to Oathbringer, he has walked back his responses a bit for Amaram to still be bad inside, with the outside still being a façade, but it to be a slightly more downward progression over time. So first, WoB on Brandon's original intent for Amaram being a representation of being all show regarding honorable, rather than actually being: Coachdorax Did you write Amaram as an opposite of Dalinar or was he simply a bad guy meant to spur Kaladin? Brandon Sanderson I meant Amaram to be the representation of the corrupt side of the Alethi. Meaning they are all talk and very little heart. Very little of what they say, to the worst of the Alethi, gets to who they really are. They would rather be known as someone honorable than be actually honorable. And this I consider a major problem with their society, and I needed somebody to represent this. Part of it is, to represent a contrast to Kaladin’s ideals. This belief that lighteyes were these paragons of virtue. But I also needed somebody, you may say an opposite to Dalinar. In a way, he is an opposite to Dalinar, but more he just represents Alethi society. And I did want it to be that he wasn’t just all the way corrupt. When he makes his decision in Book One in the flashbacks, he is making a decision. There is a moment where he is considering. By the time you are seeing him in later books, that decision has taken him down a path that leaves him very far from any sort of redemption. But it was a choice. And he wasn’t just corrupt from the get go. But yeah, he represents what I feel would be bad about Alethi society. A kind of honor society that is more about looking honorable than being. YouTube Livestream 2 (Jan. 20, 2020) This WoB discusses how Brandon felt there was a gradual descent that really started at the moment with Kaladin, but it wasn't shown due to page constraints. That what he did with Kaladin was the worse thing Amaram ever did, so that Amaram was going down the bad road since at least Way of Kings. Just we didn't get to see it Steeldancer In Oathbringer, my one big issue with Oathbringer was Amaram's turn. I'm curious why you chose to not hint more at his turn. It felt a little bit out of nowhere. What were your thoughts on Amaram? Brandon Sanderson Which turn are you talking about? Steeldancer When he turns to Odium's side and he's like, "Okay, now I'm going to consume an Unmade." Brandon Sanderson I feel like Amaram was a slow and steady descent. But you didn't get to see viewpoints from him as he was doing it. And what he did to Kaladin was worse than anything he did in Oathbringer, in my mind. Steeldancer Why did you choose not to give him viewpoints. Brandon Sanderson Too many characters. To many people to give viewpoints to. It was kicked around. I kicked it around for a while. There just wasn't enough. Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018) Finally, another WoB that show Amaram was initially supposed to be portrayed even worse, but that since publishing Oathbringer, he has started walking back on that. So initially Amaram was intended to be pure monster inside that can finally show his true colors. Since Oathbringer, Brandon has tweaked that a little bit. Oversleep Two characters who I believe Brandon absolutely butchered in terms of what their setup was and what happened to them. [...] Amaram. Suddenly, completely out of left field, Amaram has been talking to Odium, betrayed all he worked and believed in, sides with Odium... And becomes inhuman monster nobody will lose any sleep over getting rid of. Seriously, what the hell? Rayse. Similar complaint of setting someone up for one thing then just conveniently cutting out: Rayse. He's been set up, multiple times, in multiple books, by multiple characters, as the Big Bad (or at least close to it). [...] And after all that build up of Rayse and what he turned out to be... How am I supposed to believe Taravangian, the newest of the Vessels, is going to be any threat at all? Brandon Sanderson While I kind of agree on Amaram, I don't on Rayse--but it's useful for me to read this sort of thing. The goal with Amaram was to finally let him be the monster on the outside he was on the inside--and so the sequence felt thematically right to me in outlining and writing. Since the publication, though, I've walked back this opinion somewhat. While the sequence works as intended, it's not quite right, and if I were doing the book over I'd try something different. Footnote: The post Brandon is responding to is much longer than the excerpt here. General Reddit 2021 (Feb. 25, 2021)
  12. So I totally respect you liked Amaram and felt he was done dirty. To each their own. I am only here to chime in on the party that he genuine was good and tried in the beginning. I have about two or three WoB that clearly state that the "do gooder" was the face Amaram put on for the world. That was not who he really was. If you would like to see the WoB, I will be happy to provide. Now I believe the book also showed this, but I imagine you would disagree on that, and I respect your opinion.
  13. @Tamriel Wolfsbaine and @Trusk'our So first and foremost I want to preface what I am about to say with I have not extensively read up on hemalurgy, so I could be making some gross assumptions. For instance I had forgotten there was even a spike that stole identity, which makes sense for there to be one. I did a little brief digging to see if this has come up, and Brandon has said repeatedly anything concerning hemalurgy and identity he is RAFOing because he intends to dig into it later. Considering some other comments, it looks like it is going to come up in the Lost Metal, so our questions may be answered soonish. Going on the theory/premise that the main cause of the distortion to the spirit-web is because of the identity issues of the foreign spirit-web being spiked to it, and that by spiking out the identity first, and then stealing the power may resolve this. As I typed this I tried doing some more digging, and now I am not totally sure the spiritual identity could be stolen, or if it could be, then that would prevent power usage/recovery because the reason why Miles could still heal back, is he is still spiritually connected to the power. Hmmm, this stuff gets weird. I will post the WoB that I have been reading that confuse the issue lol. Feel free to use the theory on the identity, but it looks like there are a whole bunch of other moving parts to it that I do not fully understand. HazelCharm47 Let's say we have a hypothetical situation with Miles Hundredlives. In this scenario, he is wearing a gold metalmind filled to the brim with stored healing power. He is then spiked with a cadmium spike and loses his gold allomancy. Now, if I recall from various WoBs, he would be able to heal using the gold metalmind and regain his gold allomancy. I could be misremembering and he cannot heal it, but I believe he would be able to since it is part of his Identity. However, one question I have never seen the answer to is this: what happens to the ability in the spike? Is the allomantic ability still contained in the spike, leading to a duplicate? Or is the spike's ability lost? Or maybe I have this whole thing wrong and Miles could never have regained the ability in the first place. If the ability duplicates (which I doubt), that could lead to some crazy things. Also, this applies to any Twinborn with gold Feruchemy, I just thought Miles was a good example I guess Brandon Sanderson I'd like to see the exact WoB's here to make sure I'm being consistent, as I don't know that I confirmed you could regain lost powers--only that you could heal from hemalurgic soul damage. Most likely, what you'd end up with is a person who has been healed and can remove the spike from their body without damage, and without needing it to hold their soul together--but who has lost the ability in the spike. Regardless, though, what you want here (the mass production of spikes charged and even blanked) is possible with the right levels of investiture. It's an energy, like things in our world. The difficulty is finding out how to 1) get enough investiture and 2) key it to the right people and/or magic. Hope that's a little more clear. That said, a lot of times people just ask me if something is possible--and a lot of things are possible, but just very difficult. And with the right boost of investiture, in the right circumstances, it WOULD be possible to regrow lost (to spikes) powers. It's just highly unlikely. I'm not sure if the questions people are asking me are ones I've qualified, or not, in these instances. Also, this is all something I'm playing with still behind the scenes as we enter the modern age of Mistborn. HazelCharm47 As requested, here are the WoBs I believe are related. They might be obsolete, however. And I assume things will get changed a lot before Era 4, but hey, it's fun to ask anyways WoB #1: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/331/#e9434 This one states that as long as Miles still has his Identity, he would be able to use his Feruchemical metalminds after being spiked and would be able to heal. WoB #2: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/102/#e983 This one says that Miles would be able to heal his soul using Feruchemical healing and regain his gold Allomancy (assuming he survives the spiking). I think this is the most essential one! WoB #3: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/76/#e6335 This one is only somewhat related - implies that the Feruchemical and Allomantic powers are spiritually part of him. WoB #4: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/7/#e6435 Also tangentially related - damage to the soul from Hemalurgy can be healed (Although this might just be a Hoid thing). I guess the question could be expanded to include non-Feruchemical healing as a way to repair the soul after being spiked. Brandon Sanderson Well, I don't think any of those are specifically inaccurate. I just didn't quite understand what people were trying to get out of me. A lot of times, I don't know quite what people are trying to get out of me. I can see now they're trying to figure out. I see now, and I appreciate you putting this all together for me so I can see what the fans are trying to figure out. So the answer is a cautious yes. The problem here is that he'd need to compound a TON of healing first--but yes, it would work. You could theoretically turn someone like Miles into an invested spike factory. If he didn't have enough healing stored, though, he'd end up with a healed soul but a gap (like a scar on his soul) where his spiked-out abilities were. That could theoretically be healed with application of more investiture, depending on things like how he views himself, and if you could get the right type of investiture. General Reddit 2020 (Nov. 6, 2020) Questioner So, Miles Hundredlives. If you were to spike his Allomantic gold out of him, would that change his Identity such that he could no longer access his metalminds? Brandon Sanderson That would not necessarily change his Identity, but it would change his Investiture. So if you took off the piece of his soul that could do Allomancy, and then gave him his metalminds. Well, no... No, this is more complicated than I was assuming. So you're saying if someone took away his ability to do Allomancy, could he still access his Feruchemy metalminds. Yes he could. He could still do that. That should work just fine. Questioner Do the metalminds kind of have a pointer to his Identity, they don't have a copy of his Identity that they're keyed to? Brandon Sanderson Yeah... he is still him unless you spike him and do something with the Identity specifically. Questioner So you could potentially steal his Identity. Brandon Sanderson That strays into RAFO territory, so we'll go ahead and give you a RAFO card. But simply taking it away would not change his Identity to the point that it would prevent-- Good question. Very detailed. Orem signing (March 10, 2018) Questioner In terms of discussing Identity, I know that in Emperor's Soul, they talk about Identity, and the Parshendi talk about losing their Identity, and then I was just rereading Bands of Mourning, and one of the kandra talks about how the spikes are their Identity. Are all of those things connected somehow or are they different forms of Identity? Brandon Sanderson They are connected, although the Parshendi losing their identity is a little more metaphorical. But yeah, the idea of these things-- Identity is an innate attribute in the cosmere that is related to your soul, your spirit, and it is one of the things that Hemalurgy can fiddle with and Feruchemy can fiddle with. It's kind of important to how the [Metallic] Arts play out, but it's important to all the magics... Identity is involved in why you can't use another person's metalminds, right, that kind of thing. And those are all related. The Parshendi is more metaphorical. Questioner I wondered because it's always capitalized, in the book. Brandon Sanderson Yep, and it's done intentionally. Peter always asks, "Are you sure this one is capitalized?" "Yeah." Orem signing (March 10, 2018)
  14. I was concerned my post would come off that way. I was not intending to stifle your creativity or say you shouldn't consider these things. I was referring to the direction. I tried breaking it down like this: Hemalurgy Pros 1. Quick and "easy" way to get a power. Find a person with the power you want. Stab them. Stab yourself. Get the power. Don't need the individual's permission, and can grab anyone with the ability you want. 2. Combine various unrelated powers in numerous ways without (mostly) any limitation Cons 1. target dies (mostly) 2. spirit web gets messed up 3. shards and certain powers can control you 4. power stolen is weaker than original Unsealed Metal Minds Pros 1. Metal mind "factory". Can replicate over and over and over 2. Power at same strength, or can be compounded to be stronger 3. Can combine various powers Cons 1. Requires a very specific type of individual with a very specific suite of abilities to begin the process. Individual has to voluntarily choose to make more. So in this process we are trying to eliminate the con that the "spirit web gets messed up". We theorized that it has to do with the identity of the power taken. You suggested getting a person who can store their identity to do like they do theoretically with metal minds. The reason why I said you might as well just make a unsealed metal mind then, because you eliminate the Pro of hemalurgy by trying to eliminate a con. This would be the new spread on hemalurgy Hemalurgy Pros Cons 1. target dies (mostly) 2. shards and certain powers can control you 3. power stolen is weaker than original 4. Requires a very specific type of individual with a very specific suite of abilities to begin the process. You now need someone that can store identity AND has the ability you want. The person then has to voluntarily store their identity before you stab them and kill them. You now have to find ANOTHER individual with the ability to store identity AND has the next ability you want. You then have to get that person to voluntarily store their identity before you stab them and kill them. Rinse and repeat for every single ability. Or as you said, they have to also have the ability for gold, to survive the experience. But if that is required, then you might as well need a person with ALL the abilities, so you can repeatedly stab out all of the abilities while they are storing their identity and healing so they don't die and you can do it again. So the one Con for unsealed metalminds, is now a Con for hemalurgy, negating the one major Pro. That is why I suggested looking in a different direction. Don't look for a specific individual, look for a spike or bind point that will solve the issue. Thereby hemalurgy's main pro remains viable. I came up with an example in my head last night that I am going to share. I don't think it is necessary at this point, but I am rather proud of it, and wanted to relate it anyway. Let us say for instance you don't like having to get up to flip the light switch to turn on all your lights. So you get this wireless remote that you can put anywhere or keep on you, that enables you to push a button and all the lights go on. So you won't have to get up. Problem is, the wireless remote has to always be on to accomplish this, so it drains the battery and dies quickly and from very little use. To solve this issue, you plug the wireless remote into the wall so it is always charging, and thereby won't die. Thing is, the wall socket is by the light switch. So you solved the battery drain, but now you have to get up to turn on the light switch. The very thing you got the wireless remote to prevent. So I would suggest looking into ways to include a longer lasting battery, or reduce the power drain on the remote. That way the charge will last longer, and you can still turn on the lights from the comfort of where ever you want. So I am not saying get rid of the remote. Just direct the means of fixing the problem in a different direction that still utilizes the remote's benefits. edit: Looking at the hemalurgic table, duralumin spike steals identity. Maybe find a way to stab away the identity, and see if stabbing the ability you want shortly after hopefully in time so as the person has not died, but after the identity was removed?
  15. So here is the thing. The purpose of this thread is to find a way to circumvent one of the main issues with hemalurgy right? Messing up your spirit web, and leaving it open for influence. I theorize that has to do with the identity issue. So then we discussed ways of handling the identity issue, but the way that it could be handled, is pretty much the way it is handled with metalminds, which lack all the other issues hemalurgy have. When developing things, there inevitably reaches a point where trying to fix issues with a thing becomes more costly than the value of the task the thing accomplishes and thereby it is just better to try a different way entirely. Which is my point, sorta. Basically, the task that hemalurgy helps you accomplish is taking a quick and dirty short cut to power with minimal set up. Grab a person, stabbity them, stabbity yourself, you have yourself a power. Once you have to go through alllll the trouble of setting up a person with a whole bunch of powers just to shore up one negative aspect, hemalurgy loses its worth. So I believe what should be sought to make the identity issue no longer an issue, is an alloy or bind point where a power can be stolen without the accompanying identity. I do not know if such exist, but if it did, then I think hemalurgy would still be cost effective and still accomplish your goal of eliminating a negative aspect of it.