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  1. Agreed, and it has been part of my frustration over his character. He has no journey of his own, his role in the narrative has always been to facilitate the journeys of other characters. Shallan, Dalinar, Kaladin, Renarin, and now non-POV characters like Maya. All of these characters use Adolin as a fulcrum upon which to look inward and turn their perspectives around, or as a foundational stone to anchor themselves to so that they can confront their own issues or problems. I guess I just had hopes that this time, this book, Brandon would present Adolin in a way that would allow me to see him as more than just an instrument through which Brandon explores other characters, or to move plot forward. By the end of this part, Adolin to me has remained Brandon's tool. A well liked, feel good tool, but one that ultimately doesn't fail anybody, us readers included.
  2. Brandon wrote a very specific kind of relationship between Adolin and Maya, from which you were able to derive a deep appreciation and sense of gratitude from for it's representation. While I don't consider these interactions to be a character arc for Adolin, that does not mean that the contain no meaning or value for anyone, myself included. Adolin's personality and positive interactions make me feel good, but since that is all that I get from him, it makes him a less interesting character to me. The last thing I'll say in this, because I think it is important. I'm simply expressing my opinion on Adolin the character, and that opinion does not negate the personal experience and satisfaction you've taken from those chapters. I am grateful to have learned through you that there were other ways of appreciating these scenes than I had considered before. I can only promise that I will remember this interaction should I encounter a similarly situated family in my own life, and not add to the problems they may be facing that are similar to yours.
  3. More likely we just have very different definitions of what constitutes a character arc. I didn't get anything of the sort from Adolin's viewpoints, but I don't begrudge you or anyone else from finding personal meaning in what they've read there.
  4. Why does it seem, first in OB, and now I'm RoW, that so many revelations being delivered that should feel big, seem to be landing with an underwhelming thump. There were a lot of good things I liked in part four. Navani's final scenes with Raboniel for instance. The Dabbid viewpoint was wonderful. But the Shadesmar scenes for some reason aren't hitting me the way I think they are supposed to be. I don't believe it's solely my detesting if Adolin's lack of an arc. Something is just not resonating with me. I expected more of a climax from this section. Well, on to part 5. I'm growing increasingly concerned for Kaladin. Someone has to fail. Adolin passed his "trial", Shallan stepped back from the brink (also underwhelming to me). Where is the failure going to come? Perhaps Kaladin will betray everyone's hopes and expectations of him. Succumb to Odium. Become his champion. I don't want it, but storm it, something interesting needs to start happening with these characters...
  5. The first Dabbid POV...I didn't think I could still get choked up reading a book...
  6. I liked this part more than I thought I would, especially the Navani parts. I'm a little bummed that I am not getting to see more character conflict between Kaladin and Lirin like I thought I would, but at least there is some building up of Kaladin continuing to defy growing. He continues to do the same things and act the same ways as he has before, on instinct, because he can't think to do anything else. A good way of building up the arc for the payoff later, I'm sure. Also really enjoyed the Jasnah POV. Seeing a higher order radiant in plate and using it as it was meant to be was good. Also seeing her fail and flail in an environment she is unfamiliar with humanized her in a way she desperately needed. All in all, though, I agree with some other posters here. This part felt like it had a lot of padding to it. Some that might have been better served getting cut. It's a difficult balance to walk: Brandon needs to put in the work to earn his payoffs later, meaning the characters in the tower need to struggle, to encounter obstacles, to communicate the difficulty in the task that is ahead. However, I would have expected the end of this part to have had a bit more "progress" than we did. Oh well, time to continue on, and read more about the Rosharan Jesus, ready to stand trial for the sins of humanity, to take their collective mistakes and be judged guilty for them though he himself is innocent. Who's playing the role of Pontius? Of Judas? Do they have crucifixion in Shadesmar? Guess we'll find out.
  7. The great thing about this moment was: you as the reader are left with thoughts of "oh no, did he do the right thing? He just totally tanked the progress he made with his dad. Was this progress, or the manifestations of his continuing struggles, his character flaws". You're left with the feeling that this might be a problem for him, something that has the potential to have consequences.
  8. Brandon writes without the barest hint of irony of a character who by all intents and purposes can be described as "perfect". Adolin continues to do all the right things, say all the right things, inspire the right people. Still waiting for all of these passages Brandon writes about Adolin's feelings of inadequacy to actually manifest as a real failing that is consequential to the narrative. Halfway through the book though, and it's not looking good. These POVs are starting to become a slog for me.
  9. With each passing Adolin viewpoint, I keep both liking him more, and hating him more. It is a very confusing experience.
  10. Well, I'll admit this much: seems like Adolin may be safe this book, as the reviewer doesn't seem to experience as many devastating lows about this arc as they did the first. Seems like our character deaths may be occurring at the tower. Yay...more pain and loss to heap on to Kaladin (cause you know it's going to be more close friends and/or family) Brandon...if you're going to keep Adolin alive, and he's going to resurrect Maya and become radiant, could you please please please have it cost him something...
  11. Awesome. Thanks for the quick response. Honestly, that doesn't read like it deflates my point, that Shallan/Adolin arc will probably not play a significant role in resolving the Urithiru battle in the dramatic fashion described above. Not to mention that the reviewer states that the arc itself has its conclusion in one scene in part five, and is careful to avoid detailing who may be involved. It reads more like there is a quick denouement scene for one of the viewpoints, likely Shallan. I'd put my money on it involving Mraize. She needs to deliver to him the information and receive her reward, do she can decide if it was worth the price she paid. My point, I think, still stands that the emotional climax of that arc will be contained within part 4.
  12. Got some sauce for that?
  13. Given the story structure visualization that Brandon revealed here, I think it is much more likely that Adolin and Shallan's story ends for this book at the conclusion of part 4, and are not likely to play a significant role (if any) in the climax of the battle for Urithiru. At least that is my suspicion. All characters returning from Shadesmar in the nick of time to save the day was Part 5 of OB. Looking at the balance of the narrative from a writing perspective, I would think that Brandon would consider that a bit stale, and repetitive. Also, is it even possible for a whole bunch of people to simultaneously bond honorspren en-mass in such a short timeframe as would be required by the act of "turning the tide of a battle". I don't think so, or at least it seems counterintuitive to how we have come to understand these bonds developing in the first place. No, I think that Shallan/Adolin's storyline is going to be the emotional letdown portion of RoW, to counterbalance the emotional uplifting that will probably occur by throwing back the enemy at Urithiru and reactivating the tower via the sibling. An example of counterbalancing emotional beats in a book across multiple plot lines, look at ASoIaF: I dunno, I could be very wrong on my take for what will happen in this book. However I still maintain that this series about a global total war between multiple factions of people is decidedly light on tragedy thus far. So I'm just kind of looking at the places where that shoe is likely to drop.
  14. I've had my own theories on what is really in store for Adolin. I really really really hope that his plotline isn't going to follow the straightforward projection that Brandon has laid out here. I'm waiting to be "pleasantly surprised" by some kind of interesting character arc for him. I'm really hoping that his attachment/enthusiasm towards Maya is a result of his desire for some distraction from his problems where his current life situation is concerned. Problems that will have some real world external consequences to him. Alas, I fear that Adolin's true purpose in this novel will be to allow Brandon to obfuscate and misdirect us, the readers, from things going on with Shallan that he wants to hide, or surprise us with. I fear that Adolin's writing this book is just to serve as our "reliable narrator" for the expedition, whose viewpoints will give Brandon the creative leeway he needs to continue to build Shallan's arc, with a few sentences of thoughts or emotions here and there in each of his viewpoints so that he doesn't come across as a complete plank of wood. To be seen. I feel I'll know which after reading his first viewpoint.
  15. If you're in the minority opinion, then I'm in it with you. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort and unique creativity that Brandon has brought to his world and magic systems. He's second to none in that regard (imo). However, I'm always first and foremost (especially now as an adult) interested in characters, their journeys, their interpersonal relationships. The cosmere, realmatic theory, adonalsium, etc are all toppings on the sundae for me. Really good, unique, interesting toppings, but toppings nonetheless. WoK and WoR really sold me on the characters, and hooked me into continuing to read, though OB kind of flatlined for me in this regard. Hoping to get reinvested into them for RoW, though this time around, I'm hedging my bets by only getting the ebook upon release.