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  1. At midnight, eastern time on Nov 17th, we will allow full book discussion on Rhythm of War. It's just... oh, a little over five hours away! This topic is here so you can put your full book reactions. Please feel free to jump off and make your own topics on things too! We also have threads for each part: Part One Reactions Part Two Reactions Part Three Reactions Part Four Reactions I am now going to put a lot of intentional white space. Don't scroll down if you haven't read the book!
  2. If you're reading the book and you want to liveblog some thoughts as you read, this thread will exist so you can chat about Part Two but NOT be spoiled by later stuff in the book. So feel free to discuss Part Two of Rhythm of War! No spoilers, even tagged, for later portions of Rhythm of War beyond Part Two.
  3. We have some exciting news to announce today. So far in order to obtain some unpublished works of Brandon's, you'd have to email him through his sites, and his assistants would distribute them. Well now you won't need to wait for that, because now we will be in charge of distributing out Aether of Night! All you have to do is post in this topic (you'll need a 17S account, but that's it), and our staff will PM you the document. Once we do this, we'll remove your post here. We'll be using this topic as a to-do list for requests. Ideally since we have lots of staff members, we will get this out to you soon, within a week or two. With this change we are unpasswording the Aether of Night board, as now all of you will have access to it if you want it. You may discuss Aether of Night in the Cosmere Theories board, but tag your topic title with [Aether]. We hope you're excited about this, so many of you will be able to get this text in a much more obvious way now! You will receive a .docx file, and if you need to convert it into a .pdf or .epub, there are many converters to do that for you. (We are not distributing the prose version of White Sand, as that will continue to be distributed in Brandon's newsletters.) Thank you Dragonsteel for letting 17S do this! EDIT 10/21/2020: This is all still going! We've gone through over 200 pages of replies distributing. It's just that we remove posts here once we send them out.
  4. If you're reading the book and you want to liveblog some thoughts as you read, this thread will exist so you can chat about Part One but NOT be spoiled by later stuff in the book. So feel free to discuss Part One of Rhythm of War! No spoilers, even tagged, for later portions of Rhythm of War beyond Part One.
  5. If you're reading the book and you want to liveblog some thoughts as you read, this thread will exist so you can chat about Part Three but NOT be spoiled by later stuff in the book. So feel free to discuss Part Three of Rhythm of War! No spoilers, even tagged, for later portions of Rhythm of War beyond Part Three.
  6. Did you find an error in Rhythm of War? Report it here so hopefully it can be fixed in later editions.
  7. Jim Butcher, Small Favors. I read both Proven Guilty and White Night yesterday, and they were really good, especially Proven Guilty.
  8. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/gallery/category/16-rhythm-of-war-art/ Here you go!
  9. Because we need more forum games, wee! What song are you listening to right now? I'm listening to Ayumi Hamasaki - sending mail. This CD is really good.
  10. If you're reading the book and you want to liveblog some thoughts as you read, this thread will exist so you can chat about Part Four but NOT be spoiled by later stuff in the book. So feel free to discuss Part Four of Rhythm of War! No spoilers, even tagged, for later portions of Rhythm of War beyond Part Four.
  11. Well, it's sure been a ludicrously busy week with Rhythm of War's release, hasn't it? Let's get to the news that we didn't get to this week. There was the release livestream, a new newsletter, more Dawnshard stuff from the Kickstarter, and so so many YouTube videos! Dawnshard Drafts and Beta Comments If you backed the Way of Kings Leatherbound Kickstarter, one of your perks is that you will get all the Dawnshard drafts, and the beta comment spreadsheet. Well, if you head on over to BackerKit, you can download those now! You will also get a Dawnshard Revision Notes document, with comments from Brandon about the revision process. I found them super interesting, and hopefully you do as well. Skyward 3 Sample in Newsletter This went under a lot of people's radar, but on Tuesday's release of Rhythm of War, Brandon sent out a newsletter as well. It had a snippet from Skyward 3, which is what he's working on now. It's a pretty interesting section, too! You can sign up for his newsletter here, and once you're signed up, it should send out the most recent one. You can discuss this Skyward 3 sample in our forum topic! Sixth of the Dusk Sequel Reading There's been just a little bit of YouTube content over this last week. First up is the release party, which ended up being tweeted out to everyone due to website issues. He read from a variety of stories across his career, and it's worth a watch. In the last twenty-five minutes, though, he read from the Sixth of the Dusk sequel which he's been writing off and on for a while. This is set in the far space age of the cosmere, and uh... well, if you don't want to get spoiled about things in it, maybe don't watch this. But for those of you who do: Here's the transcription of the thing, and here's our forum topic on it if you want to discuss this! Of course, the rest of the release party is pretty cool too. So Much YouTube Content from Brandon There's even more YouTube content from Brandon over this last week. There was a discussion with Michael Whelan, the cover artist for the US covers of Stormlight: There was a conversation with Brandon and his editorial team on the process of Rhythm of War: Then there was also an interview with Ben McSweeney, who did art in Rhythm of War as well as all the other Stormlight stuff: Other Stuff On Friday, Howard Lyon did a blog post on the Art of Rhythm of War. It goes in depth talking about the endpages and lots of its interior art. Take a look! Finally, Invicta History did a pretty cool video that's an intro to Roshar: That's it for now!
  12. I should make a Rhythm of War gallery thing for that. I'll try to do that today. If I don't, poke me about it. Good call
  13. If you sign up to Brandon's newsletter, the recent newsletter he sent out Tuesday has an exclusive look at Skyward 3. What did people think of it?
  14. Hi everyone! I wanted to talk about spoilers on the Coppermind and some things we are doing on the Coppermind to assist here. First, whoa, our servers have had some serious problems keeping up with you all! The server load was really high, so apologies if you were trying to get to the wiki Tuesday and Wednesday and saw various server errors. I've upped the server capacity so we should be good now. Turns out a whole lot of you really would like to refresh your mind on details as you read the book. Now, the Coppermind has always been a site with spoilers, as wikis often do, and so we kind of played this release with our business-as-usual attitude. I'll talk a little bit about why have done things this way historically a bit later in this post. But given the server load, and the amount of comments we've had regarding spoilers, we've made some changes that I think will help everyone a bunch. Coppermind Spoiler Changes and the Time Machine First up: the Time Machine, a new permanent feature to the Coppermind! This allows you to actually set a specific date, and you will see the versions of the Coppermind page that existed at that date. So if you want to refresh yourself on a topic, you can simply set the Time Machine and select "Before Rhythm of War" and you will get the version of the page that exists at that specific date. I am REALLY excited about this, because I think this will really help the vast majority of users. There are a few ways to access the Time Machine: When you go to the Coppermind for the first time, you will get a pop-up saying the wiki can contain spoilers, but it will also have a link to the Time Machine. A link to the Time Machine is in our wiki-wide purple spoiler warning at the top of pages. (This banner won't be permanent, but it'll be up for at least a month.) Lastly, toward the top of the left sidebar, there is a Time Machine link. In the Time Machine, you can simply go in the dropdown menu, which has a few presets, which include: "Before Rhythm of War," "Before Rhythm of War and Dawnshard," "Before Oathbringer," "Before Shadows of Self, Bands, and Secret History," and lastly, "Before Words of Radiance." You can also select whatever date you'd prefer as well. We'll update this list with each big cosmere release. There are a few issues with Time Machine, so it isn't flawless. If you set the Time Machine to a certain date, and you specifically go to a brand-new Rhythm of War topic, there's no "previous" version for the Time Machine to give you, so it will give you a page after 11/17. Also, when looking back on old pages, templates use their current template version. For example, the navigation box at the bottom of Stormlight pages might have additional topics. We'll try to not have glanceable spoilers there. The last issue is that the further back you go, the more sucky the wiki is. The "Before Words of Radiance" one will look really bad and have broken templates. But! For more recent things, especially OB and on, I think this will be really, really nice for most people. Do also note that for whatever you pick, there will be spoilers for other series that existed at that time. Other things we have done beyond our usual spoiler banners at the top of pages to help with this: We now have the spoiler pop-up the first time you go to the wiki, explaining that the wiki does have spoilers. There were lots of reports of Google indexing some spoilers in its text previews for pages, which is not great. This should no longer be happening. So yeah! I hope those things, with the Time Machine, that we can get the majority of users happy. That's the main new thing for the Coppermind. Talking about the Coppermind Spoiler Policy in General Now I'd like to talk about why the Coppermind has operated this way in the past, and hopefully these explanations make sense. So, I realize I am quite biased here, but I generally assume that the internet will spoil everything all the time. This happened Monday prior to release where some jerk joined the Discord, posted a big spoiler, then left that same minute. It's the few jerks on the internet that really ruin it for everyone, right? So, the way we've done things on the Coppermind generally is to put spoiler tags as soon as possible on topics that are in the book. That way there's a big flag on top. That way, if anyone puts a spoiler on a page--which since it is a wiki, it's inevitable--then we are sure that we warned people. We did this for Oathbringer and it worked pretty well, but the fandom is clearly much bigger now. That's why when Rhythm of War came out, I spent about four hours putting spoiler flags on pages that could have Rhythm of War content, so that if in the next day spoilers were posted, they would be flagged. Many have asked why we don't put a moratorium on spoilers right after release. This is a great question. Historically, the first week after release is a huge spike of excitement. There really aren't that many wiki editors (though the last two years have been incredible, compared to 2010-2018), so this is really important excitement to have. Wikis are always perpetually behind, especially since Brandon is so prolific, so we need people's help. You can look at our recent Dawnshard Blitz where people just got a ton done. Let's suppose we did have a moratorium on spoilers, though. There's two ways to do it: we simply make that policy, and remove any spoilery edits. We do this when sample chapters come out. We didn't allow any Rhythm of War Part One content, and we had our purple spoiler banner that spoilers are not allowed until the book comes out. The issue with this was pretty simple: people put spoilers in anyway. We tried to get them removed as quickly as we can, but I can absolutely imagine a situation where after the Rhythm of War rush that there would have been tons of editors adding information regardless of our policy, and we don't catch it fast enough, and people get spoiled. I think there's a big difference in making clear and labeled spoilers rather than surprise spoilers you weren't expecting. (That was of course the problem with the Google snippets, that they were surprises.) The other way we could implement a moratorium on spoilers is by preventing anyone from editing in this period. That definitely gets around the issue of accidental spoilers for sure, but on the other hand, that is an aggressive wall if you finished Rhythm of War and you just helped out. That'd be a pretty big exit point, and we'd lose out on that. And, of course, everyone would feel a moratorium should be different lengths. Should it be one week? Some haven't received their physical copies. Should it be two weeks? A month? The longer it is, the more safe the wiki is, but the more the wiki is behind because we lost potential new editors. That's why in the past we have not done a moratorium, and we continued our spoiler policy that we had since the Coppermind's inception in 2010, to spoiler flag articles ASAP to minimize potential spoilers. I hope our new implementations with the Time Machine, the spoiler pop-up at the start, and preventing spoiler in Google snippets achieve our goals: 1. Letting people look stuff up as they read, which is a big improvement and a capability we have not had before, 2. Educating people about the Coppermind's general spoiler policy, and 3. Not having accidental spoilers. Our standard spoiler banners will exist for nine months after Rhythm of War. Dawnshard spoiler banners will exist for three months. I think we will keep our spoiler pop-up just so people know the Time Machine exists, so different readers can view articles at certain times that they desire. I'm really excited that we can actually offer this for you all. I'm so excited the answer was actually fairly simple to implement, which is typically not the case with MediaWiki. Big thanks to @Paleo, who made the spoiler pop-up and made some enhancements to the Time Machine for our use case. He's the same guy who did the coding for the fancy Roshar Map, so he's basically a wizard. A big apology to anyone who did get spoiled, especially with those Google snippets. That was not good. It definitely sucks majorly. Hopefully now we won't have this problem ever again with these new features, and we are thinking about other ways we can deal with articles that have severe spoilers on them. Nothing's ready yet regarding those, though. Apologies for being rather verbose. I thought you would prefer a full-thought out write-up, but this ended up being... much longer than anticipated. However, I imagine with us being Brandon Sanderson readers, you're not scared of large amounts of text I could obviously blab more, but I'll leave it here for now. If you come across issues, bugs, or you have any other comments or suggestions, we have a dedicated Coppermind board, and we also have a Discord server dedicated to Coppermind Editing here. If you want to help out with the wiki too, you can join us there!
  15. Rhythm of War is out, and it sure has some sweet, sweet things in it, so I had to do a video talking about my top ten crazy things that happened in the book. Please note this video has MASSIVE spoilers in it for Rhythm of War, so finish the book first before watching! Put your comments below on your list of crazy things. I couldn't get everything I wanted here, because of course, I had to be Vorin about this and have exactly ten things. If you like our content, support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/17thshard For discussion, theories, games, and news, come to https://www.17thshard.com Come talk with us and the community on the 17th Shard Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/bMAUS5c Want to learn more about the cosmere and more? The Coppermind Wiki is where it's at: https://coppermind.net Read all Words of Brandon on Arcanum: https://wob.coppermind.net
  16. I would prefer we didn't use this thread for testing, thanks. It basically just allows you to place bbcode or html without being rendered as rich text. That's all.
  17. There are some technical aspects involved in that, and hopefully we could make it very easy for people who want to look things up. We will probably try to test run something like that for Lost Metal's release. I like this better than a moratorium on editing for the first week, because some people will be like, "but why not two weeks or a month!" and an archive gets around all those issues nicely, while also allowing people who do want to edit to be able to do so. Seems win win, as long as it's easy for readers to get to the archive.
  18. We have not historically done this in the past. Typically the first week has had a big load of work done in the past (see how much we got done in 9 days on Dawnshard). The first week of OB's release had a lot of new people. If we prevented people from editing at all, that might mean we lose an editor forever. And if we didn't just lock the entire wiki, then people would likely put spoilers up anyway. I suppose my mindset is that people should avoid the internet when getting new media. Googling things will always lead to spoilers in my book, so I did specifically put spoiler tags on everything just in case, immediately upon release. No one can get upset with accidental spoilers if it is all spoiler tagged! That's why we put them there, because on a wiki, people will edit in spoilers very soon, just like some jackass went into our Discord server, barfing a giant spoiler, then immediately leaving. The internet is very hard to manage this sort of thing, and I tend to assume the internet will contain jerks like this. That, along with trying to harness post-book excitement, is why we have done things like this for the last decade. We'll probably do something for Stormlight 5 like an archive of the wiki that's spoiler free for a bit. But really, we haven't ever actually treated releases special before! But I suppose the fandom is getting much bigger and there's demand for looking things up as you read. It's interesting though how OB really didn't have this criticism, so we kept doing what we always had been doing. (I still think ya'll are a little strange, but perhaps that's because I like just getting away from the internet and get absorbed in a new book.)
  19. Rhythm of War is OUT! We hope you've been enjoying it. This is our first Rhythm of War Shardcast, and it does NOT have full book spoilers, just through Part Two. Honestly, we don't really talk about anything other than the Part Two epigraphs, so as long as you've read those, you are ready for this! Please no full book spoilers in the comments! And if you've read the book, well, you know why we are talking about this first. We have a big cast today! We are excited to blab about new stuff! We have Eric (Chaos), Ian (Weiry), Evgeni (Argent), David (Windrunner), Alyx (Feather), and Ben (Overlord Jebus)! Next week will have TWO full book reactions episodes, with different cast members sharing their thoughts on the book. So you have some time to complete the book! Thumbnail art, of course, is the Rhythm of War cover by Michael Whelan. If you like our content, support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/17thshard For discussion, theories, games, and news, come to https://www.17thshard.com Come talk with us and the community on the 17th Shard Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/bMAUS5c Want to learn more about the cosmere and more? The Coppermind Wiki is where it's at: https://coppermind.net Read all Words of Brandon on Arcanum: https://wob.coppermind.net Subscribe to Shardcast: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:102123174/sounds.rss Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected]
  20. @Person Would you like to put a topic title of [Support] or [Discuss] in the topic title? You can read about these here: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93197-introducing-topic-tags-support-and-discuss/ Normally I'd think "hate threads" would be more of a [Support] thing, but you also asked people what they think, so it could go with [Discuss]. Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there for you, if you'd like to include that!
  21. I've added a [Support] topic tag to this. You can see more here: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93197-introducing-topic-tags-support-and-discuss/ Given the OP, I think this was a good time to use it If you would prefer it to not have the tag, just let me know. It seemed appropriate here.
  22. Yeah, you can just put [Skyward 3] in the title and that'd be fine.
  23. Guys, if the thread says part two spoilers, you can't do full book stuff. I will temporarily suspend users who do this, including in this thread. That is very disrespectful. You would need to tag them as other people have done.
  24. Here's a discussion thread on RoW Prologue and Chapter 1. You can read them here: https://www.tor.com/2020/07/23/read-rhythm-of-war-by-brandon-sanderson-prologue-and-chapter-one/ A new chapter (or two) will go live every Tuesday at 9am Eastern.
  25. The first of those, I would think.