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  1. I think you make some good points @Sedside. One thing I'd just like people to keep in mind is that at least the last time there was a poll on how many people liked or disliked Adolin, there were vastly more individuals who felt positively about Adolin than negatively about him. In that data, it was about 80% who said they had positive feelings on him, 9.5% were neutral, and about 10% had negative feelings on him. I'm obviously aware that the sampling method is very much a convenience sample here with selection bias, of course! But I do think it would be safe to say that people who dislike Adolin are indeed outnumbered by quite a margin. (Please go ahead and add to the sample there, though!) I can totally see why it can look like people are ganging up, but I think this is more a function that there just straight up more individuals who like Adolin than actual malice involved. For example, you are perfectly entitled to write long responses as you did, Sedside, and I think that's great! But let's say if everyone who liked Adolin wrote as in-depth responses, because there would be more volume of them, it's easy to feel like you're being drowned out. At the same time if people say things respectfully, that's definitely a thing everyone should be able to do here, right? So again I'd like everyone to understand that I think no one wishes malice on others and people just want to share perspectives (Please leave discussions--or the site--if you do wish malice on others for people disagreeing with you about a character, of course.) I want everyone to feel welcome, and I totally understand it can get a bit dicey with this. I don't know if there's a real solution to this but please PM me if anyone has any concerns. I'd probably say that people who like Adolin should keep in mind that people can definitely feel singled out. Just be aware of that! Your words do matter! At the same time, my advice for people who dislike Adolin would be that there totally are people who feel similarly to you in this thread! You aren't alone! But also, I do sincerely hope that people do realize that others are sharing opinions and they aren't trying to attack others. (And we'll remove people who are attacking others.)
  2. This is an excellent example of a good usage for topic necromancy. There's no point in a new thread on this topic.
  3. Big thanks go to @Overlord Jebus for editing this episode It was a big help!
  4. Continuing our series of episodes where we think "eh, we won't talk that much, we can fit it into one episode" is the History of Roshar. Yeah, okay, it's hilarious we could fit it into one episode, but we spent a lot more time on Rosharan prehistory than I expected! We get up through the Last Desolation this week, and we'll talk about after the Desolations and the Recreance next time. We have Eric (Chaos), Evgeni (Argent), Grace (thegatorgirl), and Joshua (jofwu). (If you'd like to see my Desolation math spreadsheet, it's here: Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected]
  5. That is certainly highly relevant when it comes to this discussion, that's for sure! Thanks for being here, Llayne! I'm glad new members are joining in.
  6. I would recommend indeed that people should be focused on their thoughts and focus on why they feel a certain way.
  7. Hi all! Since this is a discussion thread, I'd just like to make a few reminders. We're all here because we like Stormlight and want the books to be the best they can be. For different people that will be different things. It's okay for others to have opinions to different from your own. You aren't defined by your opinion. If others have different thoughts, your opinion will live just fine. If someone says something that annoys you, that does not mean they are a terrible person, and also, you don't need to respond to them. People will post things in this thread others disagree with and this is fine. Don't feel obligated to respond to people you disagree with, because people feeling differently than you on the internet is pretty standard. If you feel your blood start to boil, take a break. Do not escalate situations. Disagreements can turn bad fast. If someone's being rude, report the post. Don't engage. Go have tea or something. Be aware of how your words look to someone who disagrees with you. If someone feels different than you, they will likely not give your words and arguments the benefit of the doubt that you are not terrible. Try to give people the benefit of the doubt, because people generally are not awful, but also, be aware that your words have power. Instead of saying things authoritatively, say things like "I can see what you mean, but I disagree because" rather than "This is the only way and it is a fact." You probably won't change anyone's mind, and that's also okay. How you feel about a character has a drastic effect on how someone interacts with the text, and even if you think you have the perfect evidence to something, it is perfectly fine for others to still say, "I see what you're saying, but I still dislike Adolin because" (or vice versa). Many of you will just need to agree to disagree. This does not make anyone an idiot, they just feel differently. Never attack people personally. I find these things kind of obvious, but I wanted to make that clear. This is a place to share opinions and discuss and all are welcome.
  8. Which forums? Currently rep titles are not very flexible but this would be nice if it became possible.
  9. What was closed was a megathread that merged people wanting in depth character debates, with reactions and other things. It made people feel like the only place character discussion could occur regarding Adolin Shallan and Kaladin, and there was a LOT of heated opinions, and also conflict with people wanting to share their opinions, versus people who wanted to debate them. All of these things are valid (if done respectfully) but having it in a megathread was seriously not great and caused a large amount of conflict from every side, and also makes it seem like the megathread is the only place where people can discuss character things. Structurally it was not advantageous to have. You can make threads! We have always been consistent in the aftermath of ASK's closure that making new character threads is awesome! We just want them to be more focused than "everything about Shallan Adolin and Kaladin". That's a pretty low bar. In addition, make it clear if a shipping thread is more just for fun, or for more serious discussion and debates. There are so many threads anyone can make! Here are some example topic titles that one could use: Why I Don't Like Adolin Why I Like Adolin Why Kaladin is Better For Shallan Why Shallan and Adolin Won't Last (oh hey, we have this one!) Potential Conflicts with Shallan and Adolin's Marriage Why I'm Disappointed in the Love Triangle Resolution (I think this one has also been a thing) There has been a lot of character discussion after the megathread was closed. There should not be one place where that's the only place where you can discuss characters. There can be fun threads, there can be discussion threads. These don't and shouldn't need to be the same. By having a bit more focus (it doesn't need to be a lot) you can have the discussions you want! Do you want to have a pro-Adolin thread that's gushing about him? Sure! Do you want a thread where you can commiserate with others about not liking Adolin? Absolutely! Those don't even need to be "debate" style topics so if that's not your jam, don't feel like you need to defend your opinions if it's a more "fun" topic, for example. If it's a topic that's more "let's talk about this aspect, why people like this or why people don't" then that's a debate thread, and that's great too! We just need to not have personal attacks (strictly prohibited) or escalation of conflict. People can have so many opinions, and it's fine for people to disagree. Please understand that. Another person having a different viewpoint doesn't mean you are being aggressed. It could, but also probably not. (And as always, report things that you think are offensive so we can moderate them effectively, lower conflict, and make sure respectful discussion continues.) Anyway, let's focus on to the topic, and if you'd like to discuss another aspect, you have the power to make such a thread! Character discussion is a rich area that does not need to be segregated to a single big thread, and there's so much that can be discussed. Make it happen if you want it to!
  10. That would be lovely but isn't possible in the current version. Admins can define predefined tags but that would be for everything, which is not really ideal.
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    Sedside, please post it! That sounds like a lovely thread. I disagree with the notion that people are being silenced for disliking Adolin. It is very understandable that if you don't love Adolin, seeing a lot of love for Adolin gets old fast. That makes sense. But there's also a lot of people who do really like Adolin (I think there was an early 2018 poll that had about 85% of people on the Shard either liked or loved Adolin), and character discussion has a lot of feeling involved when reading characters. Something one may find obvious might be something others profoundly disagree with because they had different impressions of the character during their read. This is fine! Disagreement is not being silenced. Disagreement is allowed here on this site! So just to be clear, these posts here are great, and we do need to be respectful of other viewpoints. People who like Adolin do need to accept and respect that others don't, and people who don't like Adolin need to accept and respect that many do like Adolin. For example people saying: "this person is an idiot because they love/hate Adolin" isn't good. It is fine in regards to character discussion to not be able to change people's minds regarding things. These topics allow people to have greater understanding of other perspectives, but a lot of character stuff will just come down to how well the writing of that character worked for you. Anyway, long story short, please do finish and post your topic, Sedside! I think your viewpoint is certainly possible that there can be some unexpected things occurring with these character arcs.
  12. I will not be changing people's rep levels to assign people a negative rank.
  13. Nested spoilers are annoying
  14. We did Atlanta in the fourth one, which was recorded long after #3. So I think I grabbed all the Atlanta ones I wanted; I am pretty choosy to try and save time, so my apologies if they didn't get mentioned. I looked at the Atlanta signing and they were all transcribed (including yours) in November and we recorded #4 and #5 in January. I can see why I did not select yours. Though your Silver Kingdom and Highprince questions were good, we didn't get too much earth-shattering in it, and the longer the question, the better it has to be for me to include it. We never analyze all the WoBs. I try to pick things that are especially interesting, or are educational. I can't include everything because I already feel like we did too many of these, so I do try to hit the big highlights. I'm not sure I did the best of it in these last two, but hey. If it makes you feel better, I cut Argent's questions from the Chicago part last time.
  15. We did it, everyone. It's the last Words of Brandon episode for (hopefully) a long time, with the holiday 2018 Idaho Falls Words of Brandon. Behold my cohosts work really hard at derailing my best efforts at getting on task, from talking about Hoid's tramp stamp, and so, so much more. Where we're going, we don't need rails, I guess. You don't know what I do for mankind. Without me, you've doomed yourself to Argent stories... We have Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Evgeni (Argent), and Grace (thegatorgirl). Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected] See you next week!