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  1. 58 points
    There is one thing to clear up first. 1. There is a misconception that heralds know when another herald dies. This is true for a "true" death, but in the prelude to the Way of Kings, Kelek does not know which of the heralds have died in the final battle. Instead, he goes to meet at a predetermined meeting place. Jezrian tells him who had survived, and Kelek had no idea that Taln didn't make it. As well, Kelek realizes the others must be alive because he notices their blades are stuck in the ground and that those blades would have disappeared on their own. If another herald died, the remaining heralds on Roshar would not know (at least for some time). [edit: Ishar may be an exception to this as he made the Oathpact] ---- Weird Questions: 1) What broke Taln? He is crazy and insensate for 4000 years and then one day he says "No thank you". Many of us can't figure out what could have broke Taln. Edit: WOB that Taln did not break 2) Why was the Davar family so connected to secret societies despite being a Vaden house of little note? They have connections to the Ghostbloods and the Ghostbloods have handed them a confirmed soulcaster AND possibly a Seon box. Why? 3) Why did the cryptic go to Shallan as a child? Lift was chosen due to her strange connection to Cultivation, but why Shallan? And why twice? And what were Shallan's parents fighting about? Shallan remembers her parents having huge fights over Shallan's future starting from a very young age. What was that about? Connected to that, why is an dark influence attacking the Davar family? Why is Heleran given a shardblade and brought into the skybreakers? No other Skybreaker acolyte was given a dead-blade and sent to war (that we know of), so why is Helaran so non-standard? 4) Why was Shallan's mother so quick to try and kill "one of them". 5) What is Shallan's last secret. There is still something horrible in Shallan's past, and this has something to do with a Seon box and whatever Radiant was created to protect Shallan from. What is worse than killing testament? 6) Shallan says her father put the sword into the safe. That was Testament. If Testament was trapped in the safe, how did Shallan go talk to Testament in the garden to unbond her? Shallan literally knows Testament is not her mother's soul, so why does Shallan believe something to patently false? Shallan does lie to herself, but this seems more inaccurate than an outright lie? And why does Shallan see a glowing light coming from the box? We have seen other glowing lights (Dawnshard and Dalinar hearing TwoK), so is she just mad, or did she really see something? Whatever it is, it does not make sense that Shallan thinks Testament is trapped in the safe if Shallan went and yelled at Testament after her mother was killed. ---- It All Put Together - A Timeline 1) Chararach settled in the Davar estate in rural Jah Kaved. Chanarach is involved in several of the secret societies of Roshar just like most of the other heralds we have seen. Chanarach eventually has a daughter and names that daughter after her friend Shalash (Shallan says she was named after Shalash). Chanarach commands a fair bit of influence and even has a Seon to communicate off world. It is unclear who knows who Chanarach is, but as she did settle in a rural area it is likely Chana's identity is not common knowledge even within secret societies (similar to Restares and Amaram). 2) Chanarach learns of the theory that a return of surgebinders will bring about a desolation. Chararach is completely terrified of returning to Braize and supports the culling of nascent surgebinding. 3) The Cryptics find out that one of the heralds has children or they discover a weird child who stands-out and is similar to the child of a Returned. The Cryptics send a delegation to investigate (WOB confirms heralds can have children though maybe it is difficult). At the same time, an unmade is drawn to the family. Testament begins to bond Shallan similar to what happened with Lift. Shallan eventually discovers what her mother is by playing with a Seon box at the Davar estate. The unmade's influence increases in an attempt to get the Herald to go insane and potentially get herself killed by Lin Devar or Shallan. EDIT: WOB that non-returned Cognative Shadows have had children 4a) Shallan is discovered to be a surge binder by her mother. Her mother, fearing a return to Braize, refers to Shallan as "one of them". Note that Chanarach does not seem surprised that surgebinders are real. Chanarach has an absolute PTSD breakdown and attacks her daughter. Lin, who likely knew, steps in and Shallan is able to kill her mother in self defence. 4b) Lin Devar takes something and locks it away in the safe. We are told this is the Shardblade and Shallan's mother's soul. 4c) Shallan goes to the garden to scream at Testament and break her bond AFTER Testament is supposedly locked away in the safe. This timeline does not make sense even if we believe Testament could escape the safe. Why does Shallan believe her spren was trapped but also then in the garden? And how is Testament-blade = her mother's soul? There isn't a connection there logically. 5) Shallan realized what she has done and perhaps even realized that she has sent her mother back to damnation. She pretends that her mother's soul is trapped in the box so she does not have to remember that her mother has been sent to hell. Shallan goes to Testament and breaks her bond. It is possible Testament told her more here as well. Shallan then begins to repress everything since Shallan has, in her mind, done the most evil act in history. "The world ended, and Shallan was to blame. - Words of Radiance, Chapter 10. Mentioned by @honorblades 6) Lin Devar begins to be corrupted even more. Lin also has mental guilt and wrestles with killing his herald-wife to save his daughter. He beings to protect Shallan at all costs for reasons that may be more than just guilt. Then Davar family hell ensues. The ghostbloods continue to cultivate the family. The Ghostbloods may not believe a herald could be killed by Lin or may not know she was a Herald. The Cryptics stay with Shallan as they don't blame her for what happened. They are still curious about what Shallan is and are researching what happens to a bonded-deadeye to its original radiant. The dark influence in the house may be more than an unmade as well. One of Chana's divine attributes is "obedient". I think this is significant. Lin is driven to rage every time one of his children will not obey him, and the word obey is emphasized many times. It may be possible the Lin's rage was a dark consequence of something Chana was doing. It is also possible that Lin thought his children would inherit the divine attribute, and the fact they dont obey him drives him to rage. 7) Chanarach returns to Braize. It may have taken 5 years to find her as her arrival was unexpected and because in early returns the heralds were able to "hide" for some time. The other heralds do not know that that has happened as they cannot detect the pain-bond while on Roshar. Edit: Ishar created the oathpact so he may be able to sense changes in it. 8) Chanarach is eventually found on Braize. Chanarach decides to immediately give up and return to Roshar (or something else Odium promises). 9) Shallan, with no bond, goes to Middlefest. Wit's magic or memory allow him to detect that there is something very strange about Shallan. Wit somehow knows what Shallan fights "is not truly natural" and encourages her to make a path for the light. It is unclear what Wit saw, but he knew more than the fact she was a surgebinder (even though she's actually a deadeye-binder at the time). 10) Taln returns to Roshar completely insane and without breaking. What happens to Chanarach is unknown. All assume Taln broke. 11) Radiant is created from memories of Shallan's mother. Radiant dresses in the same blue and red warrior outfit as the Herald Chanarach in artworks. Radiant is Shallan's repressed memories of who her mother was. It is also possible that Radiant is in someway Shallan's mother (connection mumbo jumbo and cognitive shadow stuff along with cultivation weirdness possibilities) 12) Shallan is forced to confront what happened with Testament, and Radiant begins to see that she must help Shallan deal with her final truth. Shallan knows she killed a herald and that she sent her mother to damnation - possibly ending the world and starting the final desolation. or Shallan does not know her mother was a herald, but will put that together in regards to the "hole" in her memory" --- Here is a description of Radiant: “She [Radiant] had chosen to wear her vakama; the traditional Vaden’s warrior clothing. It was similar to the Alethi takama but the skirt was pleeted instead of straight. She wore a loose matching coat with a tight vest and shirt beneath. The bright clothing features vibrant blues embroidered over reds with gold woven between and it had trim on the skirt” Here is Chanarach: Edit: On 2/6/2021 at 9:58 PM, CROSSENuUP said: After reading this and doing some investigating I think that Shallan's mom is Chanarach. If you look at the picture of Chanarach and read the description of Shallan's mom they are very similar. Also, I had a theory that the breaking of Chanarach (after her death as Shallan's mom), not Taln, is what brought about this last desolation. Brandon is often quoted as saying that the desolation process started going down once Gavilar died so I looked up the dates of Gavilar's death and Shallan's mom's death. THEY WERE THE EXACT SAME MONTH.
  2. 42 points
    We have some exciting news to announce today. So far in order to obtain some unpublished works of Brandon's, you'd have to email him through his sites, and his assistants would distribute them. Well now you won't need to wait for that, because now we will be in charge of distributing out Aether of Night! All you have to do is post in this topic (you'll need a 17S account, but that's it), and our staff will PM you the document. Once we do this, we'll remove your post here. We'll be using this topic as a to-do list for requests. Ideally since we have lots of staff members, we will get this out to you soon, within a week or two. With this change we are unpasswording the Aether of Night board, as now all of you will have access to it if you want it. You may discuss Aether of Night in the Cosmere Theories board, but tag your topic title with [Aether]. We hope you're excited about this, so many of you will be able to get this text in a much more obvious way now! You will receive a .docx file, and if you need to convert it into a .pdf or .epub, there are many converters to do that for you. (We are not distributing the prose version of White Sand, as that will continue to be distributed in Brandon's newsletters.) Thank you Dragonsteel for letting 17S do this! Edit as of March 16th, 2022: This is all still going! We've gone through over 250 pages of replies distributing. It's just that we remove posts here once we send them out.
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  4. 40 points
    Many people have been wondering whether the stormfather we see is he. Some of the behavior/appearance is strange. Which means that information that he gives us may be unreliable. Can we also stop for a minute to appreciate that Gavilar was far less competent than he thought that he was? It was so good to watch him be oblivious to all of the wonderful secrets playing out around him.
  5. 37 points
    To me Sigzil was kind of just there you know? I'm actually going to start paying attention to him now. So I think overall this has been a net positive for Sigzil.
  6. 35 points
    "The world ended, and Shallan was to blame. - Words of Radiance, Chapter 10. Mentioned by @honorblades
  7. 35 points
    Hello everyone! We have some pretty exciting news for you today: we are going to change the logos across 17th Shard, the Coppermind, and Arcanum! These new logos are made by Raul Chaves, who we hired based off a brand identity for Allomancy that he did. We've wanted to make our logos more modern for quite a while, and I hope you'll agree that they turned out awesome: We have had the same logo for 17th Shard since 2016, the iconic glass shard with the 17 broken into pieces over it, and that 2016 logo wasn't very different from our original 2010 design. Both were made by Will Raboin (Shivertongue on the forums, but he's been out of the fandom for some time), and I have always been fond of them. But, we wanted to make the 17th Shard logo flatter and more modern. We also wanted a simpler silhouette, which has a few advantages, in particular, future merchandise possibilities. The old look was quite poor for merch as it did not work well in monochrome, and required a pretty specific color scheme to be visible. You couldn't exactly put the old logo on a dark background! Also, the wordmark (that is, the text on the logo) was a bit too complicated, with a gradient on the word "Shard." We still wanted to try and evoke some of the same feel of the old logo though, with a similar shape that also evokes a bit of shattering. Another benefit to this logo refresh was that it allowed us to start the process of unifying the design of 17th Shard, the Coppermind Wiki, and Arcanum, so that all our three sites feel more cohesive together. Now we have the common silhouette on all sites, with the same accent gold color. The Coppermind logo was... very old, and actually based off of the 2010 17th Shard logo, which had a green glowing gradient around the broken glass. Yikes, that was old. It's a huge improvement to get this updated, since realistically, even in 2010, we didn't love the Coppermind logo. We wanted to evoke a symbol from the Steel Alphabet, but also not use that icon directly. Arcanum's logo is the most recent of our three logos, coming out in 2017. This logo is my favorite of our three, and actually inspired the designs. The old logo was made by KChan--another retired staff member who was on some earlier Shardcasts, and who helped with a lot of colors on 17th Shard--who had the great idea of putting an A inside the cosmere logo. I love the Arcanum logo, but there are some problems with doing that. The cosmere symbol isn't easily scalable to a small icon, and also, having the art directly from the books in the logos would lead to issues in future merchandise. We still wanted to keep that A symbol very visible, as that's the defining feature of the current logo. One other advantage to a flatter design is that it allows us to adapt the logo to fit with various background schemes, such as a dark colored shirt vs. a light colored shirt, or an eventual "dark mode" on our websites. In particular, Arcanum will still have a solid dark color in its header, but you can still immediately recognize this as the Arcanum logo: We will be updating our logos on these sites, as well as our social media icons and Discord server icons, within the next week or so. Arcanum, in particular, will be refreshed with a green aesthetic over its current blue, as 17th Shard will have a blue theme and we want each color scheme to be distinct. Here are some screenshots of how they might look on the sites themselves (but know these are subject to change): Let us know what you think in the comments! Having our three main websites use a similar design language will really help tie them together, but the logos are just one part of that process. You can expect as things move forward that 17th Shard, the Coppermind, and Arcanum will start to have their overall designs change as well so things feel cohesive, but that's going to be a while away. Another long-term goal is to have some merchandise to sell eventually. But, in the meantime, we loved how these logos turned out so much that we want to unveil them now, and bigger redesigns will come much later. Thank you to Raul for some truly fantastic work! Every penny spent on this was well worth it.
  8. 34 points
    This is a theory I've been chewing on for a while but haven't wanted to post because I haven't had the time to put all the pieces together. Anyway, here goes: SPOILERS THROUGH RHYTHM OF WAR (I think) TLDR Ba Ado Mishram was the child of Honor and Cultivation, the common ground between singers and spren. The Heralds communed with her to some degree, perhaps tricking or trading with her, and she helped them access the Surges. This violated the agreement between the human refugees that bound them in Shinovar and forbade them to use the Surges (in the eyes of the singers at least) - and was the initial spren betrayal the Fused speak of. In retaliation, the singers went to Odium and became the Fused, sparking the first Desolation. The Heralds went to Honor and forged the Oathpact to enable them to fight the Fused and seal them in Braize. In the course of the war, the Fused were able to help Odium Unmake Mishram into Ba Ado Mishram. This is the singer betrayal the spren speak of, which led to many spren mimicing what Honor had done with the Heralds, and the beginning of the Radiants. Cultivation and Honor then had another child, this time made to represent the common ground between humans and spren - Mishram's younger Sibling. A lot of the evidence I've based this on from the text is drawn from the two in-world myths in the title, 'Queen Tsa and the cleverest of the three moons' and 'The Girl Who Looked Up". If you want to get into the weeds, keep reading. Myths of Roshar Firstly, we need to be establish the connection between these two tales, so let's look at what both of the myths are about: The tale of Queen Tsa is a story about a woman who escapes the bounds set forth for her and her people by travelling to the heavens. She is aware that going to the heavens is forbidden for mortals, but still she ascends (by tricking the green moon Mishim to trade places with her). She eventually returns to the world, however she is carrying the child of Nomon, the blue moon god of her people. Her son bears the "mantle of the heavens" and she believes he will lead her people to glory. The tale of The Girl Who Looked Up is a story about a young woman who escapes the bounds set forth for her and her people by travelling beyond the Wall. She is aware that going beyond the Wall is forbidden for her people, but still she ascends. She looks over the wall to and sees God's Light. She returns to the world, but first she steals a piece of God's Own Light and flees back home with it. As a result, the storms start coming - but her people now have Light. My conclusion is probably quite obvious by now... Queen Tsa is The Girl Who Looked Up Or, at least, the two represent the same person/people. While Queen Tsa may be an actual historical figure in Roshar, it's important to remember that Hoid - ancient, magical Hoid - is the one telling the tale.. And he's not above exercising artistic license when he wants to. Hoid is also the teller of the second iteration of the Girl Who Looked Up not long after this scene, the version which includes the Girl's people having "light renewed." (Oathbringer, 82) If that doesn't convince you, here are a few of the symbolic ties between Tsa and the Girl. i) Looking Up Like the Girl, Tsa quite literally spends her story looking up at the heavens and hatching her scheme to get there: she is literally a girl who looks up. Both Tsa and the Girl are warned against their quest: The Queen herself says that all know the eyes of mortals would burn at the sights, their minds run mad at the language of the heavens. The Girl questions several people on the Wall and is told: "There is a wall. Do not go beyond it, or you shall die.” (Oathbringer, 25) Both the Girl and the Queen reach for the sky: The Girl by climbing the "high, terrible wall stretching toward the moons. Blocking the sky..." (Oathbringer, 25) The Queen by designing "high towers for her city, built to reach ever upward, grasping toward the sky." (Oathbringer, 67) ii) Turning White In the myth of the Girl at the point at which she starts climbing the Wall, Shallan notices that the Girl's hair is white, and is unsure if it had always been. Brandon has stated there is some significance to this. In the story of Tsa, the Queen is represented in Hoid's smoke by a white tower while Mishim is represented by a green moon. Once they trade places however, Shallan notes that: "the moon had become white, and the single straight tower he made by swiping up in the smoke was instead pale green." (Oathbringer, 67) In both stories, the transition/appearance of white occurs after the protagonist sets out on their journey to the other side. iii) The Red Scarf In the myth of the Girl, we are told: "a vibrant red scarf grew around the girl’s neck, twin tails extending far behind her". (Oathbringer, 25) The significance of this scarf is hard to see until you look into the history of the scarf itself. It originated in Ancient Egypt and was worn by Queen Nefertiti. I think this is meant to draw yet another symbolic connection between the Girl and Queen Tsa, as she too wears the mantle of a Queen. As for the colour red, more on that later.* Lastly, when Shallan finds Hoid telling the story of Queen Tsa and the three moons in Kholinar: "He was dressed, strangely, in a soldier’s uniform—Sadeas’s livery, with the coat unbuttoned and a colored scarf around his neck." (Oathbringer, 67) iv) The Crime Both the Girl and the Queen commit a crime (or at least something that is viewed in world as morally wrong) once they reach the other side. The Queen breaks her promise not to look upon the sights of the heavens: "Tsa! Your word is broken!" (Oathbringer, 67) The Girl steals a piece of God's Light. v) The Light Both return home with a keepsake from the other side. The Girl returns to her village with the piece of God's Light, bringing with her the storms. We are told that the Light once taken could not be put back and that "each storm brought light renewed" and [of her people] "now they could see". In other words, her people now had Light eternal thanks to her gambit. The Queen carries a child of Nomon, one of the gods, who bears the "mantle of the heavens". The story elaborates that all descendants of this son bear this mantle (the blue skin) - or you could say all of her people now bear the mantle of the heavens. Symbolically, heaven's mantle usually refers to the stars themselves - or starlight. So all of her people now bear the Light of the heavens after her gambit. So if these two stories are about the same characters and events, what are they about? Who do they represent? We know of the history of the human refugees led by the Heralds, who were bound in Shinovar and likely warned against tampering with the Surges after the destruction of their home planet. We know that the First Desolation was sparked by some sort of betrayal by the spren involving the humans: "The betrayal of spren has brought us here/They gave their Surges to human heirs" (Words of Radiance, 28) Who is Queen Tsa/The Girl representing? What about Mishim, God's Light, the child of Nomon and Tsa? The Heralds & Ba Ado Mishram 1) The people of Tsa's kingdom = the people of the village = human refugees from Ashyn The Village and the world are both the strictly designated areas of the denizens of Tsa and the Girl's world, and they are forbidden to leave it. From what we know of the original Ashynite refugees, this is exactly what Shinovar was to them: humans were supposed to stay in the grassy, earth-like area designed for them - to this day the Shin curse stonewalkers ( the rest of Roshar is basically stone and crem). Another parallel is found in the fact that the people in the Girl's village lived in darkness - there was no Light. In much the same way, Shinovar is known to have no spren, and the ancient human refugees had no bonds to Rosharan spren - no Investiture - no Light. However, this story is not purely a physical one - much like the history of Roshar was not. 2) The City/World = The Village = Shinovar/the minds of men Queen Tsa's home city/the whole world parallels the village the girl lives in: the Village is described as being in the shadow of the great Wall - one villager says it's not a wall: "That’s just the way the sky is over there.” (Oathbringer, 25) The Wall is so huge the villagers almost seem to live beneath it, in the same way Tsa and her people live literally below the heavens. And while the humans did literally expand out of Shinovar into Roshar, but the rest of the tale - the theft of Light, the mantle of the heavens - doesn't quite add up with any purely physical objects in Rosharan history. We have known since Words of Radiance that the ancient singers felt the spren had betrayed them. This has been expanded on in subsequent books as we know the singers manipulated the Surges - using Stoneshaping etc. - and had some sort of bonds with the spren like all native Rosharan life. That ancient betrayal that sparked the war, and a cycle of betrayals. The spren betrayal, in the listener's words was that: "They gave their Surges to human heirs" (Words of Radiance, 28) We also know how spren bonds work now - human minds are linked to spren, which pulls them into the Physical Realm through the Connection. It is a meeting of minds that grants spren presence in the Physical Realm in exchange for granting humans Surges. This is why I believe the darkness the people of the Girl's village is representative of Cognitive darkness - the humans had no access to the Surges, to Stormlight - they lived in darkness. For further evidence we can look to the singers in this tale. 3) The creatures who lived beyond the Wall = the singers "She climbed down the steps...she hid among the creatures who lived on this side." (Oathbringer, 82) There are creatures who live beyond the wall, in "God's Light" (Oathbringer, 82) unlike the Girl's people living in the land of shadows. On the Physical level, this is accurate with what we know of Rosharan history - the ancient singers lived in Roshar, filled with spren and Investiture while the humans lived in earth-like Shinovar. It also tallies with what we've heard about the bonds between men and spren vs those between singers and spren.These realms are meant to represent the minds of men and singers respectively: at this point in time, humans had no Connection to the spren of Roshar - there was a barrier between their minds and those of the spren. Singers however, cannot provide what the humans can: The spren betrayed us, it's often felt. Our minds are too close to their realm That gives us our forms, but more is then Demanded by the smartest spren, We can't provide what the humans lend, Though broth are we, their meat is men (Words of Radiance, 32) According to this, the ancient spren betrayed the singers because singers minds were too close to their realm (Shadesmar), and the sapient spren desired more: human connection. Much as we are told that Mishim "doesn’t want to be in the sky" and longs to come down among mortals and do all the things "she had watched from afar" (Oathbringer, 67). As for Nomon, in the tale we see how Mishim's brothers enjoy the company of Tsa, in a way they never seemed to with Mishim. This seems to parallel the sentiments of the singers as they realise the humans - like Queen Tsa - have more to offer the spren than they do; this suggests Nomon himself represents the spren. As for Mishim...more on that later/ 4) Queen Tsa = The Girl Who Looked Up = The Heralds Now, if the setting is ancient Shinovar then while the Girl/Queen of the people could represent an actual queen, she more likely represents the leaders of the humans living in Shinovar: the Heralds. After all, it is the Girl who is responsible for stealing the piece of God's Light, the coming of the storms, and "tearing down the wall" (Oathbringer, 25). In the RoW Nale visions, we see what is presumably the forging of the Oathpact (as it is the earliest vision). In it, Jezrien and Ishar invite Nale to take some charge, a duty that he accepts with honor - the Oathpact. Jezrien claims, "We will fix what we've broken." (Rhythm of War, 47) This seems to indicate that Jezrien and Ishar - at least - were responsible for starting the Desolations. We also infer that Nale was opposed to whatever Jezrien and Ishar did that "broke" something and started the war, as Jezrien claims he was correct all along. Let's combine this with what we already know about the start of the Desolations: 1) The spren betrayed the singers by giving their "Surges to human heirs" 2) The humans betrayed the singers in some way involving the spren "they were a people forlorn, without a home...their betrayal extended even to our gods: to spren, stone, and wind." (Oathbringer, 111) 3) Some of the Heralds were responsible for breaking something, which started the Desolations So what did the ancient humans break? We know the Heralds were their leaders, and that squares with Jezrien's reference to what they broke when talking to Nale. In the story of the Girl, she steals a piece of God's Light. This leads to the breaking of the wall, the barrier between the land of shadows and the land of Light - and the Storms come as a punishment. It seems that the Heralds - the ancient humans - violated their agreement, they broke their word. "Tsa! Your word is broken!" (Oathbringer, 67) The Heralds broke their word by (in the eyes of the Fused) stealing the spren/Surges, breaking the barrier between men and spren and, which led to the Desolations. The Girl crossed the barrier between lands and stole Light, which led to the Wall being torn down and the Storms coming as punishment. After breaking their Pact with the singers, Jezrien and Ishar hatched a plan to forge a new one that might fix what they had ruined.= 5) The Sky = Beyond the Wall = Roshar/Shadesmar It follows that the Heavens and the land beyond the Wall are one and the same. The land beyond the Wall is illuminated by God's Light, which seems to tally with the heavens which are lit by starlight - and also the presence of the gods Nomon and Salas. 6) Tsa & Nomon's Child = The Piece of God's Light = Surges Both the Girl and the Queen journey to the 'Other Side' and return with something: the Girl steals a piece of God's Light, which she brings to her people providing Light eternal - "each storm brought light renewed, for it could never be put back, now that it had been taken." (Oathbringer, 82) The Queen returns to her land pregnant with Nomon's child, and gives birth to a son who will lead her people. He is said to bear "the mantle of the heavens" meaning the blue skin of Natanatan which mimics the blue light of Nomon's moon. In the story, Nomon is a god however; that blue light is God's light, one that his son carries. We are also told that "that is why to this day, the people of Natanatan have skin of a faintly blue shade.": Queen Tsa's people bear God's Light to this day. The key difference between the two tales is how this is obtained: the Girl steals a piece of God's Light, whereas Nomon seems to have delighted in Tsa's company - that was no theft. The only victim in the tale of Tsa is Mishim; she is the one who is tricked by Queen Tsa, she is the one who experiences "Loss." (Oathbringer, 67) She experiences the loss of "Nomon's kindness" (Oathbringer, 67): the loss of her bond with her brothers. To experience loss is to have something taken away: the Girl steals God's Light; the Queen steals God's affection. So what is God's Light? What is this thing that The Girl/Tsa/the Heralds stole? It's pretty clear, given what Light is in the real (cosmere) world - Investiture. Bonds. Or, as a Rosharan might say, Surges. These two stories - taken as one tale about the Heralds - rhyme very well with in-world canon we know, which I alluded to earlier. Let's take the two stories, strip them of their figurative facade and see what we're left with. To recap: Queen Tsa = The Girl = The Heralds The World = The Village/land of shadows = Shinovar/minds of men creatures beyond the wall = ? = singers Nomon = God's Light = spren Nomon's son = Piece of God's Light = Surges Storms = Desolations Mishim = ? = ? So, the Heralds lived and led the humans Shinovar, and were strictly forbidden from venturing beyond Shinovar and their minds from Connecting with spren and accessing Surges. Despite the warnings of some of their peers, the Heralds decide to breach the barrier between men and spren. They trick Mishim (?) into helping them access the Surges. Mishim feels betrayed by the Heralds, and claims that they broke their word. The damage is done, and the barrier between the minds of men and the spren is broken. The Desolations start as a result of this. However, every Desolation brings back the light renewed* (in this case I believe it alludes to the fact that the Heralds return with each Desolation/storm). So who is Mishim in the cosmere, this mysterious being that allowed the Heralds to access the Surges (a piece of God's Light)? Where is she in the story of the Girl Who Looked Up? We know that Mishim was the victim of loss in Tsa's story, so we simply have to look for a similar victim in the Girl's story: who did the Girl steal God's Light from? There are 2 answers to that question. 1) God's Light ("girl in the scarves slipping up to the grand source of light, then breaking off a little piece in her hand." (Oathbringer, 82) 2) The creatures beyond the Wall (aka the singers) The second is the easiest to comprehend: it fits with what we know of the lore. The Heralds/ancient humans stole (in the eyes of the singers) the Surges/Connection to Rosharan spren from the ancient singers - this is the betrayal that started the Desolations. It also works if we insert the singers in the tale of Tsa: Mishim (the singer) is jealous of Tsa's connection with her brothers Nomon and Salas: "‘Feasting?’ Her siblings had never feasted with her before." (Oathbringer, 67) "‘Songs?’ Her siblings had never sung with her before." (Oathbringer, 67) "Mishim...now knew another mortal emotion. Loss." (Oathbringer, 67) Mishim is jealous of and betrayed by the human Tsa's Connection with Nomon in the same way the singers are jealous of and betrayed by humans Connection to spren, whose "meat is men" . Tsa offers Nomon companionship that Mishim cannot, singing and feasting with him - just as the humans offer what the singers cannot: "We can't provide what the humans lend" (Words of Radiance, 32) The first is a bit murkier, but also makes sense with cosmere mechanics. You might ask how you can steal from a being made of God's Light, or how a piece of that being could grant one Surges. But we do have sapient beings made of 'God's Light' (Investiture), with whom a Connection can grant access to Surgebinding: spren. How can these two answers coexist? How can the Heralds have taken the Connection to Rosharan spren from a spren and taken it from the singers? Simple: Mishim was a spren who represented the Connection between the singers and the spren. We know that such spren can exist from Rhythm of War, because that is exactly what the Sibling is: "My song...the common ground, the Sibling said. Between humans and spren. That is … that is why I was created." (Rhythm of War, 110) The Sibling is the child of Honor and Cultivation, made to be the emulsifier between humans and spren. If Honor and Cultivation created such a being for the humans, is it not possible that they did the same aeons before? Either that, or they found the spren already in existence - the singers being native to Roshar, it is possible that such a spren arose naturally. If it didn't, if this mysterious elder spren was indeed born of Honor and Cultivation, then the spren made by Honor and Cultivation to bridge the gap between spren and humans is not the only child - he is the Sibling. A last piece of evidence - the chapter with the tale of Queen Tsa is titled 'Mishim' and begins with this epigraph: "This generation has had only one Bondsmith, and some blame the divisions among us upon this fact." (Oathbringer, 67) We know now that this was the Sibling's Bondsmith, which seems appropriate for a chapter revealing lore about the character I believe to have been its predecessor. Let's turn back to the tale of Tsa and apply this new knowledge: at the end of the story, Mishim hears a new song which she recognises as the song of Nomon's child with Tsa . She feels loss - a spren that represents the Connection between singers and spren experiences the loss of light at the hands of the humans. This works perfectly as symbolism for the singers ancient loss and betrayal. However, it still leaves us with one final question: who is/was Mishim? Who was this great spren of Connection, that represented the Connection of the minds of the entire singer species to the spren? Hmmmm.... "Ba-Ado-Mishram...Connected herself to the entire singer species." (Rhythm of War, 73) "Ba-Ado-Mishram has somehow Connected with the parsh people," (Oathbringer, 80) 7) Mishram = Mishim The first and most obvious connection here is the similarity of the two names Mishim/Mishram. Beyond this, let's look at everything we know about Ba Ado Mishram from the books: i) The Heralds know Ba Ado Mishram personally: "please find Mishram and release her. Not just for her own good. For the good of all spren." (Rhythm of War, 97) NOTE: Kalak calls her 'Mishram', not 'Ba Ado Mishram' as the Fused, Sja-Anat and other Voidspren do. ii) She is consistently described as crafty/cunning/intelligent: "Ba-Ado-Mishram, who had granted forms to the singers during the False Desolation—were crafty and conniving." (Rhythm of War, I-2) "She is said to have been keen of mind, a highprincess among the enemy forces" (Oathbringer, 106) iii) She is trapped in a prison (the gem) and presumably wants to escape. Now lets look at how Mishim, the green moon is described: i) "the third moon is the cleverest." (Oathbringer, 35) ii) "she doesn’t want to be in the sky, sir. She wants to escape." (Oathbringer, 35) iii) "everybody knows that Mishim—the third moon—is the most clever and wily of the moons.” (Oathbringer, 35) iv) "Mishim is always looking for a chance to escape her duty.” (Oathbringer, 67) v) “Everyone knows that Mishim is the cleverest of the three moons." (Oathbringer, 67) vi) "The queen was pious, but the moon was crafty." (Oathbringer, 67) [NOTE: Ishar is famously pious, and less famously crafty] vii) “As always, Mishim was hatching a scheme." (Oathbringer, 67) I find it too much of a coincidence that two characters with such similar names are consistently described with the same language. Furthermore, the characterisation of Mishim as a kind of rebel fits with what we know of Ba Ado Mishram, who led the singers in the False Desolation without Odium and the Voidspren. It also explains how and why Ba Ado Mishram was able to Connect herself to the minds of the entire singer species during the False Desolation. Her having been the spren of Connection between singers and spren, it makes sense that she would retain this capacity - and that binding her in the way they did would have some adverse effects on the singers: "Yes. That terrible act touched the souls of all who belong to Roshar. Spren too." (Rhythm of War, 49) "By capturing Ba-Ado-Mishram—locking her in a gemstone—humankind had stolen the minds of the singers in ancient times." (Rhythm of War, 24) Even the language of the Recreance in this quote seems to echo the myth of the Girl: humans stole God's Light from the minds of the singers. And Mishram, "though still crafty, has never again left her place." (Oathbringer, 67) Conclusion So that's my theory. Ba Ado Mishram - once called Mishram - was a spren who represented the common ground between singers and spren. The Heralds communed with her to some degree, perhaps tricking her, and this let them access the Surges. This act violated the agreement between the singers and the human refugees (in the eyes of the singers at least) - this was the initial spren betrayal the Fused speak of. In retaliation, the singers went to Odium and became the Fused, sparking the first Desolation. The Heralds in turn went to Honor and forged the Oathpact to enable them to fight the Fused and seal them in Braize. During the course of the war, Odium was able to Unmake Mishram, God's Own Light, into Bad Ado Mishram. This is the great singer betrayal that the spren speak of, that led to many spren mimicing what Honor had done with the Heralds, and the beginning of the Radiants. Finally, it is possible that Mishram was actually the first born child of Cultivation and Honor, created specifically to represent the bond between singers and spren. Centuries later, when the spren started making human Surgenbinders, Ishar came to Honor to help force order upon them (making the Radiant orders). At this point, Cultivation and Honor had another child, this time made to represent the common ground between humans and spren. They made the Sibling. If you made it this far thanks for reading, can't believe I actually typed this whole essay and someone actually read it. Excited for y'all to tear holes in it it!
  9. 34 points
    I've been slipping this into conversations on Discord for a while now, but I don't think I've seen anyone sit down and write out a theory for it. (or just a proper prediction) Sometime in the wake of the RoW release I saw somebody on Reddit make a "what if Gavilar is still alive" post. I opened it up, and got about halfway through a reply about how that would be pretty dumb, but then the thought came to me that it made Gavilar a potential candidate for Odium's champion. The more I thought about it, the more I liked the idea--especially as someone who doesn't particularly care for the other champion candidates. The main thing I want to do here is break that thought process down. I'll start with some evidence on why it's possible, address some common criticisms, explain why I think it's a cool idea, and then speculate a bit. "Evidence" Yeah, "evidence" needs to be in quotes here because we don't have any hard evidence that Gavilar is still around or that he will be Odium's champion. Though I can hardly blame Brandon for giving us nearly nothing to work with here... I mean, think about it. If we had a tangible clue that Gavilar is alive, we would be all over it. If you want a secret to last for 5 books, you need to play it pretty close to your chest. Anyways, there's two steps here. First, Gavilar has to still be "alive" somehow. Second, there has to be a reason why he would be chosen as Odium's champion. How can Gavilar still be alive? So how is it possible that Gavilar is still alive? The only real possibility here is that he would need to become a Cognitive Shadow. His body was found to be very dead, and then Soulcast. He didn't slip into Shadesmar when nobody was looking. And how does one become a Cognitive Shadow? We won't get into full cosmere spoilers, but the general idea is that you need to be highly Invested. We know that Gavilar was a budding Bondsmith, but even a full Radiant is not Invested enough to be a Cognitive Shadow. I think it's probable that Gavilar's soul would stick around longer than the average dead Rosharan, as we've seen something like that for users of a different type of magic. The only real example we've seen in Stormlight Archive is Eshonai, though she was caught in the middle of a highstorm so it's possible the Stormfather sustained her longer than would be normally possible. We can only make wild guesses on all of this however. BUT we do know that Gavilar was involved into some highly suspicious activities, including but not limited to: Fraternizing with Heralds Competing with Thaidakar Experimenting with Light, even to the point of producing anti-Light Experimenting with Connection magic to send things to/from Braize Research into Ba-Ado-Mishram, and perhaps other Unamde We also know that he had a worldhopper working for him, Gereh, who was a Feruchemist with an Aviar. We don't know who close or aligned they were, but at the very least we can say that Gavilar was in close proximity to worldhoppers with knowledge and access to other forms of magic. When you list all of these things out... It seems to me that the story would have no trouble whatsoever in making a case for the possibility that Gavilar had become deeply Invested somehow. (or at least that he was Invested enough to hang on until he found other means, like a certain someone on another planet did) One other notable thing from the RoW prolgoue is the strange way he seems to sense her presence outside the room. The text specifically notes that it was kind of creepy, in the sort of way that would be classic "hindsight is 20/20" Brandon-style writing. That kind of awareness is specifically associated with Breath, or at least Investiture in general. What if he has a bunch of Breath? What if he is a Dawnshard? Lots of juicy possibilities wrapped up in this subtle line. Lastly, I want to mention this claim he makes to Navani: Maybe it's a bunch of big talk from somebody who's about to die, but given everything I've just gone over it seems pretty difficult for me to not take this seriously. Gavilar planned to become something like a Herald and literally never end. The bigger question to me isn't whether he's being serious here, but whether he was able to pull it off. When Gavilar tells Szeth to tell Thaidar he's "too late" in the TWoK prologue, I have to admit that part of me is wondering if that's what Gavilar might be talking about. Gavilar is REALLY egotistical if you haven't noticed. With that in mind, the level of composure he has while bleeding out in TWoK is... rather strange. This is a guy who was claiming a few hours earlier that he would live forever, a guy who spent his whole life fighting to be on top. And how he's just chatting with his killer while he dies? He's not trying to still fight or live with the kind of animal desperation I would have expected. On the contrary, he's fishing for information from Szeth, and making bold claims like "he's too late." It feels to me like the words and actions of a man who hoped to have more time... but who is not particularly phased by the speedbump of death. How can Gavilar be Odium's champion? Why? I don't think this one is terribly hard to see HOW, if he is still alive. Odium can pick whoever he wants, if they are willing. The real questions are "why would Odium pick Gavilar?" and " why would Gavilar be willing?" Recall that Taravangian and Gavilar were working together in some capacity prior to Gavilar's assassination. We still don't fully know the extent of their involvement. But there's room there for an established, important relationship that was never explored. Sure, it's possible that the SA5 prologue will briefly explain it and be done with the whole fact, but I think it's fertile ground for possibilities. Certainly enough for Taravangian to consider Gavilar. (Also, this also presents a reason for why Rayse never tapped Gavilar. They didn't have a relationship) Why would Gavilar be willing? This is hard to say considering we still don't fully know what Gavilar's ultimate plans were. And even harder to say without knowing what Taravangian's ultimate plans are, now. We DO know that Taravangian wants to "save them all" and that some "greater war of the cosmere" appears to be inevitable. We know that Gavilar was super into empire building and having some notable legacy. He wanted to live forever and... do what? Maybe conquer the rest of the Cosmere? Is it possible that Roshar was looking too small? I think it's pretty easy to see how their goals might be aligned, even if we don't have enough info to make arguments either way. Common Criticism The most common complaint I hear with this idea is that it isn't sufficiently foreshadowed, and this was the argument that I started to make as well. My response two this is twofold. First, as I said before, I think foreshadowing on such a twist would have been nearly impossible. That's why there's not much of it. Second, is that I would actually disagree... He TOLD Navani that he would persist. He TOLD Thaidakar that he was too late. And he was working with Heralds and all kinds of wild magic. It's not evidence... But it's the sort of thing that, if read AFTER a hypothetical explanation for all this, will have people saying "OMG, he said it right here in the prologue and we missed it." The second most common complaint that I hear is with Brandon going overboard on resurrections. But guys. We haven't had a real death fakeout in Stormlight Archive since Words of Radiance. When Stormlight 5 comes out, that will have been 3 books and nearly 10 years ago. We didn't have any death fakeouts in Oathbringer or Rhythm of War, though we did get some pretty hard-hitting true deaths. (Eshonai, Elhokar, Evi, Jezrien, Teft & Phendorana...) If you ask me, Brandon has earned another opportunity for a resurrection. Particularly if it's a pointed one that does something interesting in the story.... Of course people often bring up the issue of how he could still be alive, but I've addressed that rather thoroughly. The only other big hole in the idea is the question of... what has Gavilar been up to all of this time? But I'll speculate on this more below. I don't think this is an issue with the idea of Gavilar still being alive and becoming Odium's champion. It's just a gap that we don't know enough to make a good guess about. Why this is a fantastic idea! Okay, here's the fun part. Because, yeah, this is absolutely all more a bunch of wild supposition than a theory built on firm points of evidence. To me, all of the possible explanations of "how" and "why" were driven by the fact that the end result is amazing. Gavilar surviving I mean, the first thing is that we simply have to acknowledge how CRAZY it will be when we're reading Gavilar's prologue, and get to the part where he dies... and it keeps going. Now, to be fair, we can still sort of get this without Gavilar sticking around long term. We can have a few moments of Gavilar in Shadesmar before he dies all the way. But I just love the idea of reading that prologue thinking that we know how it ends (with Gavilar's death) and then SURPRISE, he's not dead and the story is not done with him. I mean, this alone is nearly worth the death fakeout! Other champion candidates Before I get into why Gavilar would make an awesome champion, let's talk about why all of the other champion candidates just... mostly aren't that exciting, in my humble opinion. I'm going to go through MOST of the possibilities I've seen mentioned before, in no particular order. "Child Champion" / Gavinor - Please nooooooo. Moash - Moash is Kaladin's business. There's no way Moash and Dalinar will face off in the contest. Moash only works as a chapmion if things go way off the rails and Dalinar can no longer be his own champion. It's possible, but I think it's pretty unlikely considering the effort RoW made to tell us that Dalinar would be his own champion. Weird reversal. Szeth - Szeth is basically the only other champion candidate that I don't dislike to be honest. I'll admit that Taravangian using Szeth once again to accomplish his goals (more specifically, tasking him with killing Dalinar) has a twisted poetry to it. So I won't make weak arguments against a decent idea. My only major issue with Szeth is that I think the contest of champions is going to be a very Spiritual affair. Remember how Ishar tried to steal the Stormfather's bond from Dalinar? (Or how Re-Shephir tried to tear Pattern from Shallan for that matter?) Remember how Dalinar memory-bombed Nale in RoW part 3? THAT's what I'm expecting to see in this contest. And I have a hard time seeing how Szeth is the right kind of person for such a battle. He's cool for the physical combat, and that would be mostly wasted here. El - He gets thrown around as a possible champion, but... I just don't see how that's supposed to work with so little setup. The climactic confrontation of this 5-book story arc is going to come down to a character that we basically didn't even know before opening the 5th book? Nah... a Herald - The Heralds aren't... terrible options here. Some of them. Jezrien is gone obviously. Taln and Ash seem pretty darn unlikely, just seeing how they fit into the story. All the rest of the women fall into the same issue as El, more or less. We already saw Dalinar face off against Nale and come out on top, so I don't think that's happening. Kalak is just a pushover at this point, so that's not happening. So... Okay, I take it back all of the Heralds except for Ishar are pretty terrible options. Ishar - Ishar is... possible. We've seen that he's threatening. He's not entirely underdeveloped. He works well for my image of the contest of champions. But he's just... not super compelling I guess? We know him better than El, but that's not saying much. And while Ishar IS totally off his rocker, he hasn't turned over to Odium's side yet. He's just kind of on his own weird, delusional side. Gavilar as Odium's champion But if we're looking for the PERFECT character for Dalinar to face off with... Look no further than Gavilar. In some ways, Gavilar started all this--or at least, the story started with Gavilar--so he's a great person for it to circle back to. We've spent 4 prologues slowly peeling back what he was up to, with one more to go. Will the fifth prologue simply give us an answer and then move on? How will that answer MATTER though? If he gets pulled back into the story, the answer to that is easy. Gavilar is a RICH character with so much potential... And all we're going to get is one more prologue about how he's mostly not relevant any more? Making him Odium's champion means all of that setup has a payoff. More than that, Gavilar is the beginning of Dalinar's story, and in some ways he's at the heart of it as well. Most of Dalinar's life was about supporting his brother. Even after Gavilar's death it was about supporting Gavilar's legacy in Elhokar, until something bigger came along. Gavilar was there in the start walking with Dalinar in his darkest moments. He was a bit of a rival before Dalinar had to shove that hunger for power down. He was the one who stole Navani. He was the one or had Dalinar marry Evi, and the one who sent Dalinar on the mission that ended in Evi's death. They went to the Shattered Plains together. And Dalinar's failure to save Gavilar from Szeth, plus Gavilar's words for Dalinar that night, is what drove Dalinar to the Nightwatcher. We can go on and on. I mean, they're brothers. Obviously they are important to one another. Sure. That's the point! Szeth as the champion had some cool poetry to it... But so does Gavilar and Dalinar. Remember how Odium's Unmade nearly drove Dalinar to kill his brother, and he had to promise himself NEVER to challenge his brother's position again? Remember how that served as a major point of conflict for Dalinar as he struggled to work with Sadeas to support Elhokar before ultimately taking over as "high king", or how he was uncomfortable with Navani before eventually marrying her? How fantastic would it be to have Dalinar come back around to that "promise" he made himself, but now in wildly different circumstances. In fact, I'd say this has much of the same sort of energy as the Gavinor theory... while also making more sense. And Gavilar is just a fantastic person for Dalinar to have to duel. The Connectedness should allow for some fantastic Spiritual struggles: Gavilar knowing who Dalinar was at his darkest, and wanting Dalinar to join him in some grand plan to conquer the cosmere; Dalinar who has rejected all that he once stood for, now wanting to call his brother to join him in a better way. I really just think that, of ALL the potential candidates for Odium's champion, Gavilar serves as the best foil for Dalinar by a longshot. He's also got some physical combat prowess, in case they need to trade a few blows, and he is uniquely positioned to make for an interesting confrontation when it comes to the Spiritual side of things. Allow me to speculate... So there's a lot of ways that this COULD all fit together. Here's my wild guess. We see in the RoW prologue that Gavilar and some Heralds were experimenting with a fabrial that allowed for transportation of... something... between Braize and Roshar. Voidlight perhaps? I'm going to propose that, in the moments after his death, Gavilar used that fabrial to transport himself to Braize. There, he becomes suffused with Odium's Investiture and he's able to stick around long term. He is, for all practical purposes, a human Fused. But the Fused are bound to Braize by the Oathpact. Maybe Gavilar thought he could get back. Maybe getting there in the first place wasn't quite what he intended. Regardless, he's there, and now he's stuck. The Fused probably liked having a human around that they could chase or torture or whatever. Rayse probably just didn't care about him. We don't have a clear idea of how the Fused travel from Braize to Roshar, but we know that some of them were STILL slowly filtering back at the time of RoW, over a year since the Everstorm was summoned. So it's not unreasonable that Gavilar wasn't able to get back to Roshar sometime soon after Words of Radiance. So when Taravangian Ascends, and takes a quick survey, he sees his old buddy Gavilar... The PERFECT person to defeat Dalinar and recruit him into their cosmere war plans... Thoughts? You can direct all your hate mail to the person on Reddit who planted the seed of this idea in my head. (Good luck finding the post, I had no luck.) [Edit: found it!] Anybody have any specific favorite reasons why Gavilar would make such a good champion for Dalinar to face off with?
  10. 34 points
    I am so excited my Shallan killed her mother-herald theory is looking very likely!
  11. 34 points
    Brandon had some important news to share with us today, as he alluded to in yesterday's Weekly Update. If you haven't seen the news directly from him, we encourage you to watch this video first, and then we'll break it down: Did you watch it? No really, did you? Last warning... I'm guessing your face looked something like this too? So... Sanderson started to feel a bit bogged down, overbooked, and overwhelmed in 2019, mostly on account of the amount of traveling he was doing. When Covid forced Brandon to skip the traveling in 2020, all of that freed up time created an opening for unscheduled writing. And he seems to have loved it! He wrote a book in secret that year, and as the reduced traveling continued in 2021 he wrote four more. One is a middle-grade story that will probably be a graphic novel (but it's still a bit of a work in progress). The other four of them are full-length, adult sci-fi/fantasy novels with three of them being Cosmere books. And here they are, with tentative covers and titles hidden: Sanderson also announced a Kickstarter campaign that is open NOW. This will essentially be a monthly subscription box program for 2023, including one of the four books every three months and swag boxes on the months in-between. The different tiers give you some options on what formats you'd like the books in and whether or not you want to pay for the swag boxes or just stick to the books. The themed swag boxes will contain one featured item and two supporting items. It sounds like t-shirts are likely to be included, though we don't have any other details on what they might contain at this time. They currently have no plans for stretch goals. In any case, here's the schedule for this "Year of Sanderson": Please note that these books WILL ultimately be available for those who did not participate in the Kickstarter! So if it's not something you can afford at this time, or if you've missed the Kickstarter altogether (and somehow found your way here), you will certainly have a chance to get your hands on them. The ebooks and audiobooks should be released shortly after the Kickstarter deliveries, and print editions will eventually be available as well! So what do we know about the books so far? Brandon had a few things to say during his video, mentioned a few more on the Kickstarter page, and just finished a surprise livestream in which they gave us some more crumbs. Here's what we know: General One of them is written in first person. (we don't know which) They are all around 100,000 words in length. (roughly the size of Alloy of Law) The worldbuilding/setting of all the Cosmere books is crazy -- more like Roshar than the other published Cosmere worlds. Secret Project #1 Set on a new world in the Cosmere, and has references to other things in the Cosmere. Works as an entry point for new readers. It has the craziest worldbuilding of the four novels. Secret Project #2 The only non-cosmere book of the bunch It contains excerpts of something else Brandon wrote. Works as an entry point for new readers. Secret Project #3 Set on a new world in the Cosmere, and has references to other things in the Cosmere. Works as an entry point for new readers. This one is Brandon, Emily, and Peter's favorite. Secret Project #4 Set on a new world in the Cosmere, and has references to other things in the Cosmere. This one is NOT a good entry point to the Cosmere. It's focused on a character we've seen before, who hasn't had their own story and whose backstory is relevant to this book. The plotting of this one leans hard on a specific style and that makes it a bit polarizing. That's all we know so far, but there's more to come! Starting on Thursday, Brandon will be posting weekly readings from each book. It sounds like we can expect the first 5-6 chapters of Secret Project #1 on this Thursday, with readings from the others coming on subsequent Thursdays. Brandon will also be doing weekly livestreams on Tuesdays for the duration of the campaign (which is for the next 30 days). The first segment of these livestreams will be no spoilers, but the second half will get into some more details about the books and for questions that address the readings released on Thursdays. So stay tuned! WOW! It's a lot to take in. What do you guys think? Let us know what your reaction was in the comments! And if you've got any theories for what these books might be about, we'd love to hear them!
  12. 33 points
    A specific turn of phrase in SP4 caught my eye. Could just be a coincidence, but I think this very specific turn of phrase could be a clue. I've often thought that Nohadon in visions sometimes seems very similar to Hoid. He wrote a whole book of parable type stories that Hoid loves so much. His mannerisms in the Oathbringer dream/vision were also lighthearted in a Hoid-like way. The whole Nohadon dream/vision in Oathbringer felt just like the typical therapeutic pep-talk we've seen Hoid give to Kaladin or Shallan before. Was Nohadon an apprentice to Hoid?
  13. 33 points
    ⚠️Huge spoilers for Rhythm of War! ⚠️ Aaah, friends, there's no beating around this bush, we've got a real winner on our hands here. We knew we could really step up our game if we threw twice as much money at these commissions, but our artist of choice, Nozomi Matsuoka (whom you might remember from this particular piece of horror), really outdid herself - not only did she finish this in... hold up, there's a message history somewhere here... 8 freaking days, she also nailed the mood of the piece right off the bat, and was able to split it into two pretty standalone parts. What else is there to be said? Everything is great, down to the inclusion of the agonyspren and anguishspren on the wall, which almost never show up in fanart, unlike their much more common (and also present here) angerspren and fearspren counterparts.
  14. 33 points

    From the album Art of Sasha R

    I had a LOT of fun painting this one, though I was nervous about accidentally spoiling something as I was only starting the Oathbringer at the time of painting this. I'm definitely painting more of Stormlight in the future. Maybe Jasnah... or Pattern? I'd love to be commissioned for official art for the future books, that would be the dream! I also welcome any feedback and critique, both for artistic execution and lore, but keep in mind that there had to be some liberty in putting together Urithiru so low and close to the Shattered plains and Horneater Peaks, for the sake of making the focal pieces clustered [Urithiru + Stormfather above the Shattered Plains] in the center of the painting as requested, for custom book sleeves with for all 4 books. Their spines, when put together, show the center of the painting. "The most important step a man can take. It's not the first one, is it? It's the next one. Always the next step."
  15. 33 points
    .....everything you said about "sucking it up" could be said about Kaladin, Dalinar, ...and frankly, every character in the story. The story is obviously heavily focused on...and perhaps even just talking about, mental health and how important it is. She was basically tortured as a child, did you read the back story sections of Shallan's story? She was heavily abused, to the point that her mind was already fractured from a young age, where she has been trying to forget things that happened from even before her background PoV. Also, while as I don't love every aspect of Shallan's personality, I found her endlessly fascinating personally. I've always kind of summarized our three main characters as basically representing three major mental disorders/psychiatrics conditions : Depression (Kaladin); Addiction (Dalinar); and finally Childhood Trauma (Shallan). If you think any of these are easy to move past, I suggest...trying empathy. Trust me, moving past childhood trauma, no matter the circumstances, is not that easy. Shallan has also saved the day multiple times....so...I'm not sure even what you are talking about there. Shallan is broken. Kaladin is broken. Dalinar ...was broken (he seems to have...mostly solved his issues by the end of Oathbringer). Like, that's the way the books were written, choosing one character and telling them to "suck it up" seems needlessly cruel. Ask yourself this, say when Kaladin's mind breaks and he is unable to fight at several points in the books, would you think it appropriate to tell him to suck it up? And if you wouldn't say it to Kaladin, ask yourself why you are instead saying it to only Shallan.
  16. 30 points
    FYI: I have only read Stormlight Archive, Warbreaker and Mistborn Era 1 and Secret History. This theory is based on what I know about hoid till now. Anyone who has read the other cosmere works, please correct me where I am wrong. Hoid usually is very content with he does. He seems to be in control most of times, nothing really surprises him anymore. He is one of the oldest beings in the cosmere and one of the most knowledgeable. His persona is of a chaotic trickster with no allegiance to anyone. And that is very much true to his real personality. But Roshar is where we have seen him be most... human. Rosharans surprise Wit a lot. For ex he is flabbergasted about something when he sees young Shallan at the marketplace ( we have no idea why. Not important to the theory, just mentioned it) He is at a genuine loss for words when shallan hugs him years later. I don't think he expected for shallan to be affectionate towards him. He is again shocked when Kaladin asks him for a story, saying that 'no one has ever asked that'. Also hoid is at his most wholesome with Shallan and Kaladin, giving them very heartfelt therapy- story sessions.'Accept the pain, don't think you deserve it' and 'You will be warm again' can make me tear up. He is very helpful this time for protecting the planet( instead of Mistborn where he accelerates the danger). He also has a romantic interest in Jasnah. He is also very open about his belief in a god. The main theme is that hoid is developing actual human connections with the Rosharans, something he has never had before. This will end only in tragedy. Because taravangian Brandon has confirmed that Taravangian completely ' hornswoggled' hoid in the epilogue. Hoid did feel true terror there. He did lose some of his memories. Hoid, for the first time, has been actually hurt in a confrontation. Brandon also said that Hoid will find out what happened in the lead up to the contest. (Prolly with the metalminds) This dude has not felt fear in maybe 7000 years, who says Hoid won't overreact? Because hoid was really motivated in having rayse- odium bound to the system. And todium has proven himself to be far superior of a threat already. There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Hoid will betray Roshar. When he talks to Dalinar, he says 'i will burn this world down to get what I want, even with tears'. He repeatedly tells shallan and Jasnah not to trust people. At the end of RoW, Dalinar has to choose between trusting odium and wit I think we will see Hoid betray the people of Roshar in a cruel,stone-cold way just to make sure todium stays bound. I don't know exactly how, but it will happen. The good guys will have to fix what he did too and some damage could be irreparable. He will definitely lose all his friends and this time, he will have genuine sadness and tears. This time? Yes, because hoid has definitely betrayed Roshar before. During the first desolation. We know he knew the heralds (as midius). Isn't it interesting that stonewards are associated with topaz and they swear an oath to be where they are needed? Two things common with hoid? Also doesn't rayse seem just a little too angry when he reads 'cephandrius' name in the contract. Like he really, really hates hoid for some reason. Is it because all of this has happened before, like this? Hoid bring up the idea of the oathpact and the heralds. Because whose plan was this exactly? Who the heralds bring up the idea of eternal torture themselves. No this seems cruel enough to be hood's idea He was meant to be the the tenth herald, the stoneward-ish herald, but the moment the oathpact was created, his business was done and he left the planet, leaving the Rosharans to panic. Taln steps up for the job and the rest his history. I think in this case Hoid knew that taln was going to pick his place. But what he did was still a betrayal. He just doesn't care much This time, he will care What do you guys think?
  17. 28 points
    Taraganvian uses his control of Odium to save Kharbranth. He then fulfills his lifelong dream of opening a chouta stand. Odium's horrible intent forces him to make hatefullly bad chouta. Kaladin frequents the chouta stand, because his overdeveloped sense of protectiveness won't allow his to stand by while Taravangian's heart is broken for lack of customers. He ropes the other Windrunners into buying nasty chouta too, and they are all really mad and go find Rock to replace him as their leader and make them Horneater stew. Rock then ascends to Honor and the battle between Honor and Odium becomes a competition between two restaurants. Everyone moves on with their lives, except for the two eternal cooks, locked in their perpetual struggle, until Kaladin dies of old age and Odium instantly goes out of business. That is how Honor defeats Odium forever.
  18. 27 points
    Panorama of Roshar. Hope you guys like it! I had a LOT of fun painting this one, though I was nervous about accidentally spoiling something as I was only starting the Oathbringer at the time of painting this. I'm definitely painting more of Stormlight in the future. Maybe Jasnah... or Pattern? I'd love to be commissioned for official art for the future books, that would be the dream! I also welcome any feedback and critique, both for artistic execution and lore, but keep in mind that there had to be some liberty in putting together Urithiru so low and close to the Shattered plains and Horneater Peaks, for the sake of making the focal pieces clustered [Urithiru + Stormfather above the Shattered Plains] in the center of the painting as requested, for custom book sleeves with for all 4 books. Their spines, when put together, show the center of the painting. "The most important step a man can take. It's not the first one, is it? It's the next one. Always the next step."
  19. 27 points
    I think that the reason Taln cannot break is because people saw him as unbreakable. We've seen spren be affected by perception, and we've seen that the fused become more and more set in their ways as they age, so it makes sense that Taln would eventually come to embody everyone's perception of him as an unbreakable hero.
  20. 26 points
    On a whim earlier today, I decided to see what might happen if I fed the opening lines of the prologue of WoK into a bot and watched what it came up with. Bizarrely, it seemed to have some idea of what the Stormlight Archive is, who some of the major characters are, and even concepts like bridge crews, lighteyes, spren, etc. It also managed to be marginally coherent, at least until the character limit ran out. Of course, being a bot, it has no idea of the context of anything, and so ended up producing a twisted funhouse mirror version of WoK where Kaladin and Bridge Four are trying to build a bridge under the not-so-watchful eye of a nameless king, while Kaladin is apparently pretending to be Sadeas's son for some completely inexplicable reason. Oh, and Szeth may be the Dragon Reborn, but I'm not entirely sure on that. The text I gave it was, of course, "Szeth-son-son-Vallano, Truthless of Shinovar, wore white on the day he was to kill a king." The bot I used was here:https://app.inferkit.com/demo As for the "story" itself, behold behind the cut! And yes, I know it cuts off in mid-sentence. That's part of the charm;).
  21. 26 points
    I wrote this in under two hours. It's no Brandon, but it's fast for me. Thanks to Grace for the idea and inspiration! I just wrote something unexpected Not for anyone but me and you The publishers and fans don't know it but it's beautiful - and it's mine What else can I do? (Fans:) let us read, let us read (new books, let us read, let us read) What else can I do? (we're hooked, let us read, let us read) (you troll, let us read, let us read) I write lines of literature Books earn smiles by the piles I write perfect practiced proses Not much hides behind my style What could I do if I just wrote what I was feeling in the moment? (Peter: Do you know where you're going? Whoa!) What could I do if I just knew it didn't need to be signed for I just needed to write; and they let me write A hurricane of words and paper Mishmash plots (not!), pages and lines (this is fine) This extra time frees up my mind, it is sublime I wrote this for you What else can I do? Can I deliver us a fourth story too? Don't worry about burnout, a little just won't do I want to move on to something new I'm not sick of the old, it's just time to be bold, so I choose It just seemed like you weren't doing okay, from that video yesterday (How long can this secret hold) All we know are the worlds that you show and it's awesome to see what's inside How much can I write - here's the proof, no more lies - let's go A hurricane of words and paper Mishmash plots (not!), pages and lines (shine!) This extra time frees up my mind, it is sublime I wrote this for you What else, what else? What can you write when you are deeply, madly, truly in the moment (Kickstarter numbers are growing) What can you write when you have nowhere else to be in the world I'm with my family today (everyone, it'll be okay) I'm coming through with a year of swag (with that big bag!) Making news, New York Times ("changing times") The way is brighter, days and nights're swell - we owe this all to you What else can I do? (Emily: show 'em what you can do) What else can I do? (Fandom: there's nothing you can't do) What else can I do!
  22. 26 points
    Important note: This list would be far less complete if not for the efforts of everyone who helped me compile it. Specifically thankyou to: Awesomeness Summoned, Delightful, Argent, PorridgeBrick, Kurkistan, Quiver, Green Hoodie Mistborn, Senor Feesh, Observer, ccstat, Swimmingly, Alvron, Metacognition, The Only Joe, GreyPilgrim, Aether, jasonpenguin, Mailliw73, Moodle, Tempus, Baine, Kobold King, LeftInch, Sir Jerric, Tensoon, Ashiok, Theorymaker, Seonid, Shaggai, TheYoungBard, Curiosity, Snoopy, Voidus, Frosted Flakes, Kasimir, Shallan. (Let me know if I missed you.) Hokay, for those who want to know the ranks, I looked through everyone who had at least 10 posts. Here are my findings. 10000+ God Beyond 9000 9999 Adonalsium 8500 8999 Hero of Ages 8192 8499 The Broken One 7800 8191 Shard 7500 7799 Splintered Shard 7200 7499 Splinter 6800 7199 Dragon 6400 6799 Stormfather 6000 6399 Herald 5700 5999 Sliver 5350 5699 Nightwatcher 5000 5349 Worldhopper 4750 4999 God of Color 4500 4749 Lord Ruler 4250 4499 Unmade 4096 4249 Dawnshard 3761 4095 Prime 3500 3760 Lerasium Mistborn 3250 3499 Bondsmith 3000 3249 Voidbringer 2750 2999 Knight Radiant 2500 2749 Most Ancient 2250 2499 Steel Inquisitor 2048 2249 Mistborn 1900 2047 Tarachin Superstar 1800 1899 Dawnsinger 1700 1799 Rambleman 1600 1699 Savant 1550 1599 Gerontarch 1500 1549 Midnight Essence 1450 1499 Listener 1400 1449 Enefel 1370 1399 Kalad's Phantom 1338 1369 Compounder 1337 So l337 Hoid Can't Compete 1300 1336 Surgebinder 1260 1299 Radiant Squire 1220 1259 Kandra 1180 1219 Twinborn 1145 1179 Returned 1111 1144 Scadrian Waffle Cook 1080 1110 Stone Shaman 1050 1079 Cryptic 1024 1049 Honorspren 1000 1023 Sentient Awakened Object 980 999 Truthless 950 979 Highprince 920 949 Worldbringer 890 919 Full Feruchemist 860 889 Full Shardbearer 830 859 Shardbearer 800 829 Seer 777 799 Spinner 760 776 Wyrn the King 730 759 Elantrian 700 729 Originator 667 699 Svrakiss 666 Torturer of Heralds 650 665 Shade 625 649 Soulcaster 600 624 Forger 575 599 Dakhor Monk 550 574 Lord Prelan 512 549 King's Wit 496 511 Son of Honor 475 495 Vanisher 450 474 King's Tester 425 449 Ghostblood 400 424 Envisager 375 399 Artifabrian 350 374 Ferring 325 349 Stormwarden 300 324 Bloodsealer 278 299 Silent Gatherer 256 277 Misting 225 255 Arbiter 200 224 Gyorn 180 199 High Prelan 160 179 Oldblood 145 159 Cobalt Guard 128 144 Hazekiller 110 127 Forescout 100 109 Houselord 90 99 Babsk 80 89 Prelan 75 79 Arteth 70 74 Idrian Monk 64 69 Obligator 56 63 Lighteyes 50 55 Grand 45 49 Noble 40 44 Crew Leader 32 39 Ardent 25 31 Pahn Kahl 20 24 Awakened Object 16 19 Noble-Blooded 10 15 Bridgeman 7 9 Spearman 5 6 Darkeyes 2 4 Skaa 0 1 Spren --- -1 -2 Negaspren -3 -5 Lifeless -6 -10 Hoed -15 -19 ? Beheaded Inquisitor -20 -24 ? Rotting Chull Carcass -24 -25 Lamespren -26 -100 Zucchini -101 and below Chasmfiend Corpse Note: negative reputation titles are no longer obtainable due to downvotes having been removed. I'll update this as we learn more We now know them all! I like the new levels. Good work Chaos Please don't ask me how long that took. Current lowest Unknown rep: nonexistent. We're so close to getting them all =D Edit: Wooohooo first popular post Later edit: For the record, at the time I added that comment 10 rep was a little more exciting Another edit: The lower rep ranks have changed at some point, I don't know where all of the new boundaries are yet.
  23. 25 points

    From the album General SA Art

    Finally drew this after so many years! Probably still my fav Jasnah/Hoid scene (●'◡'●)ノ❤
  24. 25 points
  25. 24 points
    I think at this point, we've all heard the "Shallan's mother was Chanarach theory". If you hadn't the main points of evidence gathered up through RoW were: Appearances. Most notably, the physical similarities between the released images of Chana and Shallan are also pretty obvious. Process of elimination. Sanderson has said that most (possibly all) of the modern heralds were mentioned on page in WoK, and we've found most of them. Kalak, Shallash, Jezerin, and Nale are obvious. Battar is Dova, and Paliah was confirmed as the ardent in the Palanaeum. I am fairly convinced Lyss is Vedel. Chana has no other good candidates. The Davar household is full of more secrets than Kelsier. Sh*t was clearly going down there, with everyone from Hoid to the Unmade to the Knights of Honor getting involved. Personality. Chana should be acting as an inversion of brave/obedient, which Shallan's mother fits with. The might also be something to the mental troubles of Shallan and her siblings also (WoB) having some magical elements, almost like the herald's insanity. It might just be the UnMade, but it might not be... Overall, I thought it was an interesting theory, but more on the tinfoil-side. However, I think the just released Stromlight 5 Prologue reveals some info that blew my mind, and I starting to get on board. First, and more simply, we get on page confirmation that Chana does have bright real hair (previous evidence was "in-universe" and could have been inaccurate). This really reinforces Chana's red hair, and draws an obvious connection to some of the only other (non-horneater) gingers, the Davars. Chana being a redhead is also important enough to emphasize as canon, so unless it's a red (lol) herring, it should be relevant. Before I go into the second, I want to shout out this theory (@teknopathetic), since the reveals are basically supporting evidence for the main idea laid out here. TLDR: Chana is Shallan's mother, Shallan killed Chana and sent her back to Braize. Channa later breaks and releases the Oathpact/Taln. So we get this in released Prologue: So, one of the heralds dies the same day as Gavilar and the Stormfather (somehow?) covers it up. The phrasing, particularly the commentary "The Oathpact" suggests to me that this was 'return-to-Braize' died, and not perma-killed a la Jezerin by Moash. All this explains how/why Taln came back to Roshar after the Battle of the Tower. One of the Heralds returned to Braize, and then held out ~6 years until they broke, which released them and Taln back to Roshar. What's even more interesting is that Gavilar and the mystery Hearld die in 1167. The year Shallan kills her mother? 1167.
  26. 24 points
    Disagree. If anything this will make reading about sigzil in SA5 far more interesting.
  27. 24 points
    If you haven’t watched Brandon’s video then you have been warned:
  28. 24 points
    I think the primary point that needs to be made at this juncture is that Shallan burying her trauma actually is "sucking it up and moving on." That's what it looks like. That's why sucking it up doesn't work: actually processing trauma involves months, if not years, of work and in 99.9%* of cases, requires the guidance of a therapist in order to make progress. It's just not something a person -- let alone the Earth-equivalent of an 18-19-year-old (my gods, she's young enough to be my kid) -- can do on their own. And in a world that doesn't even know how to treat mental health problems, there are no therapists for Shallan to go to. And given the level of trauma she's sustained, even with help it wouldn't be an easy road. Shallan is, in a manner of speaking, trapped in the lies her own mind tells her. She lacks the necessary perspective to even understand how to properly process her trauma. She needs help to dig her way out, but she doesn't know help is even possible, let alone who to ask for it. Can it be frustrating to read? Sure, and it's completely reasonable to get a little uncomfortable during her passages. But is it really fair to judge a teenager for failing to fix herself when even an experienced therapist would likely need years to help her untangle it all? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no. It is not. And as frustrating as it can be for some people to read her POV sections, I invite you to take a moment and try and empathize with her, because living in that kind of brainspace is much, much more difficult than reading about it. *I'm one of the 0.1% of people who managed to muddle my way through on my own. It wasn't easy, and was only possible because I have an abnormally high level of self-awareness and ability to analyze myself. And it took years. I didn't really reach a reasonable level of functioning until I hit about 30, and I'm still not completely 100%. I'm finally getting some support for the ADHD and executive functioning disorder. The OCD is never going away; I just have my tics under enough control that I'm able to mask them well enough that it's rare for anyone to notice them.
  29. 23 points
    Feels like we haven't had one of these posts in some time, doesn't it? In reality it's only been ~3 weeks but it feels nice to get back to something resembling a normal schedule. Nothing lasts, unfortunately, as we have something like 8 commissions in the works right now (many of which are simple, but still), but that's a problem for future mysterious-author-of-these-posts, not present mysterious-author-of-these-posts (this sentence makes a lot more sense on Patreon, where you can't check who is writing the posts, just go with it here). That should be enough padding, let's look at some art! For the month of May our patrons wanted to see the Lightwoven story of The Girl Who Looked Up, but as it is told to us in the Oathbringer chapter 82: The Girl Who Stood Up - when Hoid finds Shallan hiding in a Kholinar house, and helps her finish the story beyond the earlier version we got, the one where the moral is that the wall was there to keep the girl's people in. In the Hoid-assisted version, the girl ventures out, steals some of God's Light, and brings it back to her people so they don't have to live in darkness... and in the process brings the storms as well. For this piece we decided to work with barlydoodles on Tumblr. They have some truly excellent (fan)art, including this silly comic about Shallan wanting to do a Bridge Four sexy calendar and Kaladin absolutely perishing. You can see the exquisite work yourselves, but what is not immediately obvious is that they threw in the additional, standalone portrait of the girl for free, and without being asked to do - just for fun! Barly (?) was great to work with, and you should expect more from them in the future when we land on the right prompt.
  30. 23 points
    Alas. We suspected that this would be the case for some time now, but it has finally be confirmed: Stormlight 5 won't be coming until 2024. Though the reason why certainly isn't quite what we expected... Brandon Sanderson did a Reddit AMA (ask me anything) with subreddit r/books last week, and u/VeryNiceName16 asked about the plan for the "Stormlight 4.5 novella" (tentatively titled Horneater) amid everything else going on in 2023. Which, if you've give a moment of thought for Brandon's release schedule for 2023, is a darn good question! We've got four Secret Project books, Defiant (Skyward 4), AND supposedly Stormlight Archive 5? Not to mention the Words of Radiance leatherbounds and several other smaller projects that might be coming along. I don't know about you, but I'm already sweating thinking about how much work it will be just to keep up! Progress on Stormlight 5 has been slow of course, and Brandon finally confirmed what we all expected: the Stormlight 5 release just isn't going to happen in 2023 after all. While some people might be bummed by this, I have to say that I'm honestly a bit relieved. With so much content coming out, I'm more than grateful that we're getting a bit of extra time so that we can properly digest it all. This delay should come as no surprise. Brandon's fastest turnaround time on a Stormlight book was Rhythm of War, which he started writing in early 2019 and was able to finish by the end of that year. Sanderson's plan was to start Stormlight 5 at the beginning of this year to hit the November 2023 release... Well, we're currently a little over halfway through the year and the first draft status bar is sitting at a mere 7%, with a few more weeks of Secret Project 3 revisions still on his plate first. Keep in mind Brandon will still have to work on revisions for Secret Project 4 and Defiant at some point as well. All of that to say, it would seem that he's roughly 6 months behind schedule as it stands, and that could slip a bit further. Brandon stressed at JordanCon 2021 that he will allow Stormlight 5's schedule to slide back if necessary. It's the "end of a sequence," as he called it, and he needs to make sure that sequence sticks the landing. Brandon went a step further though to clarify why Stormlight 5 has been a bit slow-going, and it's not primarily due to the Secret Projects or any other writing projects: it's movie and television stuff. It was ALSO at JordcanCon 2021 that Sanderson gave one of the biggest teases about about potential adaptations in quite some time: saying that if we "read in between the lines" we might be able to put some things together even though he couldn't announce anything official. In the recent AMA, he opened up a bit more on this saying: "This is the year that Hollywood came calling." With the success lately of various fantasy properties proving that Game of Thrones wasn't a fluke, streaming services, execs, and producers are on the hunt for more. Guess whose name shows up as the top bestselling author with no adaptations made? Brandon Sanderson has been getting a lot of their attention, and the recent Secret Project Kickstarter success only added more fuel to the fire. The result? Lots of phone calls and lots of meetings with several major streaming services and studios. (Netflix was one he named in particular.) Brandon explained earlier in the AMA that he's doing everything he can to earn a relatively high level of involvement and creative control over any adaptations that come about, and the bargaining power that he seems to hold is sure to be a big help. Apparently Hollywood doesn't know what to do with someone who doesn't need their money? It's important to stress that we do NOT know the status of any movie or television deals. While it's possible that something in particular is in progress, it's also possible that Sanderson is still working through negotiations to make sure they get the best deal they can. And let's not forget that even from the time of an announcement, it's a long road to seeing an adaptation on our screens. One thing seems clear however: it's a question of when, not if. The same is thankfully true of Stormlight Archive novels. While Stormlight 5 is expected to be delayed, we at least know that we can trust Sanderson to get it done as soon as he is able. As for u/VeryNiceName16's question that sparked all this? Brandon did confirm that Horneater is very much on his to-do list after Stormlight 5 is written. So perhaps we'll get a little something extra to tide us over in the months before the next novel? Which I say as if half a dozen other books in 2023 aren't already enough to do that!
  31. 23 points
    It's finally done, friends. Some of you may have forgotten about this (heck, some of you probably weren't here a year ago when people were voting for this piece), and some of you may have seen it already, but Katie Payne (do make sure to give her Instagram much love) is finally done with this illustration. And, full disclosure, we can't rightfully call it a commission anymore because from the very early sketches it's been clear that this was going to be far larger and more complex than what we had imagined (or planned for). Fortunately, instead of cutting back on the scope, Katie decided she was going to instead work on this as a personal piece, in her free time. We are still paying her, obviously, but given how this is probably an order of magnitude more than what we can afford, it's really just a tip. Those of you with Instagram accounts can follow her journey working on this throughout the past year by visiting this collection of stories. And there isn't much more to be said, folks, the piece speaks for itself. The lighting is gorgeous, the ten unique designs for all the Fused are full of neat little design choices, and even if they weren't, the organic feel of the stone pillars complements the Nine's poses, ranging from elegant to menacing, beautifully. Make sure you give Katie your love, as she worked super hard on this illustration, and make sure you like and subs-- wait, no, wrong platform. Be good to each other, byee!
  32. 22 points
    Surprise! As you might know, we met our $1,000 Patreon goal a few months ago, allowing us to do bigger art commissions each quarter, and the first one of those (for Q2) dropped in April - and it was full of Rhythm of War spoilers. Well, so, the thing is, as big and awesome as that piece was, it didn't quite get us up to the double budget we had committed to... so we decided to just commission an extra piece! Local favorite Nozomi Matsuoka was already working on the "main" April illustration, so we gave her the bonus one too (we promise we'll work with other artists too!). The poll's runner-up didn't quite fit our constraints, but the third place - the vision Renarin and Glys capture and replay for Dalinar in Rhythm of War - was perfect. So we went ahead with it, and now it's done, and you get to see it. We've been reliably above this goal, and dancing around the next one, for some time now, so there's more where that came from!
  33. 22 points
    Hello 17 Shard. I have a theory about the giant spren of Iri, Cusicesh, that I haven't found anyone else propose before, so I just want to get the fandom's thoughts. I believe that Cusicesh is actually the 'dullform' of Ba-Ado-Mishrim(BAM). The piece of information that first brought this idea to me was when I was rereading Dalinar and Navani's wedding and the Stormfather appears. After he hears the wedding vows and leaves, the soldiers around Dainar "sagged, looking suddenly exhausted.". It suddenly occurred to me that the only other spren that I could remember causing tiredness in a group of people was Cusicesh of Iri. So my interest in the spren was peaked and I wondered if it might be a spren that was capable of Connection like the Stormfather, or at least similar abilities. All three Bondsmith spren have been accounted for so if it is a spren capable of great Connection Cusicesh would have to be something else. And that's when I thought about BAM. She was connected to almost every Singer on the planet at one point, so she has the ability. I dug a little deeper and tried to find out where her last location was. There's no definitive area of Roshar stated, but the epigraphs of Oathbringer Part 3 say that the Singers were feverishly fighting toward Feverstone keep during the end of the False Desolation, the Desolation BAM initiated. So it's possible that she would be in the area. Feverstone Keep has been theorizied to be near the Iri city of Rall Elorim. If this is correct, then the strike team that went after BAM would have attacked her in Iri. This is where my theory falls completely into spectulation. I believe that Melishi the Bondsmith did not trap BAM in a gemstone the same way that Dalinar trapped the Thrill. I think that Melishi only trapped her mind in the gem stone, leaving behind an impotent shell. This might be why the empowered Singers became the dullform parshmen instead of Singers without access to Voidlight, matching to what happened to what was Connecting them. After that BAM, Cusicesh now, hid away in Iri; only coming out at a certain time and looking eastward, possibly towards where the sphere containing her mind is hidden. Anyway, that's my theory. Feel free to dissect it, I'd loved to know where I'm wrong.
  34. 22 points
    Brandon writing one secret book is on-brand. Brandon writing five secret books is borderline parody of himself.
  35. 22 points
  36. 22 points
    Why on Roshar did Wit give Kaladin his flute? And why did Kaladin find it again at the end of RoW? What is being set up here? Well, I've been wondering these things and instead of coming to any logical conclusions, I have dreamed up a very whacky Battle of Champions theory that is utterly wrong but could it be so wrong that it is right? The whole last book we've been learning about Tones and Rhythms, Kaladin has a flute, and there's a really weird Death Rattle that makes me think of El for no other reason than that he gives me "black piper in the night" vibes (and, well, he is into human art forms which would include musical instruments, and the whole "no man can hear" kind of echoes his previous Vyre/'He Who Quiets' Fused title: So Dalinar and co meet TaravOdium at the Battle of Champions. They're all like WOAAAH and already thrown off. Dalinar declares himself his own champion, then El rocks up as Odium's champion, pipe in hand. Odium cackles and says MWAHAHAHA you didn't think I'd face the Blackthorn in a battle of swords!! This is a battle of wind instruments... to the death... mwahahaha. Dalinar is looking freaked out, but Kaladin steps up and says, hey I kinda found my old flute again 10 days ago and I've never actually played it but it's a wind instrument and I'm a Windrunner so it can't be that hard right? And Dalinar is like, yep son, I think you should go for it. So Kaladin and El face off, Kal is blowing into his flute like a kid in elementary school who is forced to learn the recorder, face red from lack of oxygen, fingers flying wildly over the holes, and hey it's kind of working cause those Fused are covering their ears from the horror of the sound. Hoid is mortified at the blasphemy that is the noises coming out of his beautiful old flute. El is playing his pipe but we can't hear a thing cause Kaladin is just too loud - hence the "playing a tune that no man can hear" part. But it brings the stone to life and forms into a giant hand that lifts El and Kal up above the storm clouds - "holds us in his palm" TICK. What happens next, is a mystery. They are in the sky and the sky belongs to Kaladin, and no one else can see... Does Kal throw the flute aside and claim El's life with his Syl spear? Would the dishonor of such an act kill what is left of Honor, dooming them all? Was that Odium's plan all along? Does El have some mysterious tricks up his carapace? Feel free to continue the story in the comments below! But could this also solve the mystery of book five's title? The final part of the ketek WoK-WoR-O-RoW-? The one that no one saw coming? Keening of Windpipes!
  37. 21 points
    I don't know if giving gifts is traditional for Koloss Head Munching Day, but we got the best one this year
  38. 21 points
    Ugh... thirty-four notifs? I'm not going through all those. I'll just click the important ones. (I.E: "Mystic Syn commented on Sketches on the Bus, Because Syn Gets Bored Easily.") ((I can navigate to the RP subform plenty well by myself, thank you very much)) But anyways, I'm back! Hi! Just returned from the bestestestestestest days EVER. I guess I have to tell you guys allllllll about them:
  39. 21 points
    I've been on this wild roller coaster of a fansite for four years and I ain't about to get off anytime soon. Here until we crash and burn, baby. ...Let's not, though. This time I'm going to save musings for after the Compliments Section. This is so I can put the staff right at the top, as they tend to have limited time, so certain people don't have to ask for a TL;DR anymore. I intentionally won't try to mention everyone, or anywhere close actually, but I love every single one of you. First up: @Chaos, as intimidated as I used to be by you, I now think you're wonderful and kind and I really admire you. I enjoy talking with you even when we're both tired and really should be sleeping. Can't wait to read your book someday. @Argent, your humor and measuredness make the world a better place to be in. I'm very glad I get to know you. @LewsTherinTelescope, you're cool and things. Words are hard but talking with you is always Good. You know what I mean. @Otto Didact, one day I am going to meet and hug you and the world will probably be at peace or something. I need to talk to you more because you're amazing and your Dad Vibes are healing. Also, you have possibly the best hair in staff chat. Don't tell Evgeni. @Kaymyth, speaking of parent vibes, you are really cool like so cool and also so loving and also like can I have your autograph someday?? Literally, I mean, I'm gonna be buying your books eventually @Paleo, your wizardry is fantastic, but your creations aren't the only thing making you awesome. I appreciate you and your help very much. @Voidus, you and your care and thoughtfulness have never ceased to be there, and I hope I get to talk to you, read your RP, and hear about your campaigns and kiddos being cute forever. @firstRainbowRose and @little wilson, meeting you two at the last Dragonsteel Minicon was so fun and you're both so nice! I'm excited to see you both again. Mi'ch, you are incredible and don't forget it. Kendra, sometimes I just think of you and your offers to talk about stuff and it's...steadying. <3 Working with all of you continues to be an honor and a joy, and hanging out with you more so. On to non-staff! IT'S TIME FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT THE BENES. @The Awakened Salad @Tesh ARE YOU GUYS READY TO BE DELUGED IN LOVE? I hope so because you're my best friends and more important to me than all the world. Specific compliments elude me when everything applies, so...reread our platonic wedding vows, kiss your pet, and know that you are the beaniest FAB Squad ever and I will never, ever forget you and our conversations and hangouts. You are skilled, you are loved, you are interesting, and I will always listen to you. May dragons, avi. To the many people I've met in-person at various times over the past year - I absolutely loved it, for the record, and you are as awesome as sour Skittles. To those I've talked with after absences, I'm overjoyed to speak to you again. Special shoutout to @Ashspren - chatting with you on Discord has been great, Ash! @Robin Sedai, I don't know you super well yet but you're really kind and I hope your life is going well. I always look forward to singing Hamilton with you @Wyndlerunner beep. *boops your nose* @#1 Taln Fan, you are awesome and amazing and funny and don't you ever let yourself forget it! All of you reading this deserve individual statements, but I'm too tired to do something more elaborate - totally lost track of the days and wasn't writing this one in advance. No way I could keep up the giant lists forever, anyway. You all take care of yourselves, you do deserve it - and I know it's hard sometimes, or most of the time, but it will get better, I promise. No matter what. Keep hanging on. I haven't been very active on the forums this past year. I mean, I've been on, but only about ~500 posts outside the games is telling. Still, despite that, I've had a grand time both here and on the server. I've graduated, gotten a job, and become a different person in many ways this year. I'm fairly happy with who I am now, which is nice, lol. I won't apologize for this not being more ornate, I'm too tired. Knowing the lot of you is an adventure, and I never want to give that up. *toasts you all with a glass of eggnog* Love ya. May this next year be better than this one, and with less hardships for those we love.
  40. 21 points
  41. 21 points

    From the album Other Cosmere Art

    This challenge again! Characters are: Lift (Stormlight Archive) Vasher (Warbreaker) Szeth (Stormlight Archive) Kelsier (Mistborn) Marsh (Mistborn) Raboniel (Stormlight Archive) (I was so pumped when drawing Kelsier & Marsh together xD Also Raboniel's lab goggles, they're just my personal quirk, not canon though.) Lift (in Azish robes) wanting more pancakes!
  42. 20 points
    Dalinar: Killing four people when we know one of them is innocent is just wrong, taravangian! Tara: We can't just let 3 criminals go! Anyway we try some innocent people will die in a justice system! That's just how things work Dalinar: Ah but you forget, the death of an innocent person then happens due to a lack of knowledge, it wasn't intentional. Tara: So the fact that it was an accident excuses it!? Dalinar: No but the blame then lies on the investigators- Tara: You know what, we have been arguing for 300 years now, i really should try to start to escape this oathpact. I have a lot of plans for the cosmere Dalinar: Fine!... Tara: (looks at dalinar judgingly) Dalinar: (looks at Tara, judging him harder) Tara: ... Tara: The main point here was- Narrator: And Roshar was safe from odium for eternity.
  43. 20 points
    Hey. You got this. I don't know what you might be going through right now, but I wanted to let you know that you can do this. If anyone can, it's you. I believe in you, and I'm here for you. No, this isn't posted in the wrong place. This is for you. If you're reading this, I mean it. Don't give up, there are people who love you. You're amazing.
  44. 20 points
    Dang. It was there when I posted it. Wile I work on that look at these. Words of Radiance Shallan Kaladin & Moash Thaidakar
  45. 20 points
    I have been a member of the Shard for 3 years (and 16 days). This place has been so fun, it seems like just yesterday that I joined, but it also feels like I’ve been here forever. Without further ado: appreciations! Mods, though none of you will read this (except Ene, who is listed separately), I would like to thank you for keeping this community one of the most inclusive, friendly, and wholesome ones I’ve seen. @AonEne, you were one of the first (if not *the* first) Shardbuddies I had. I’m soooo glad I got to meet you this summer. I can’t really words about how much your friendship means to me. I have yet to drink from the bottle of dubious soda. @Tesh, you’re too interesting and funny for your own good. No matter how tired I am, I will stay up to talk to you. Meeting you was awesome and it WILL happen again. Sneezing isn’t normal. @Butt Ad Venture, I would also stay up talking to you if it weren’t for the fact that both of us would just be yelling at each other to sleep :P. @xinoehp512, I love tLTing with you, looking at your pixel art, and just talking with you, though I don’t have much of an opportunity to do so. @Zephrun's Imperium, your art is SOO GOOD! I still need to find a place to put the piece you gave me on my wall, and I hope I can see you in person again, you’re just so nice to talk to. @Hen (Nna), [insert comment about our marriage here], but seriously, talking to you is so fun (and watching you freak out about aART, as well). The possibility of my meeting you is fluctuating, but you are one of the people who are at the top of my list to meet. DFTBA! @Mist, you are awesome. You always know the best thing to say. (Unlike me, as I have run out of things to say) Shortie (@Condensation), meeting you was fun, I could finally figure out how short you actually are. @Vapor, I love talking to you, and I can’t wait to see you in person again. @Emi, I haven’t been able to talk to you much, and I really miss it. I hope I can meet you this summer. @DramaQueen, your play was AWESOME!!!!!! (As are you). I want more geck pics. @Channelknight Fadran: your world building is really cool! (even though I still haven’t read anything of yours) @King of The Oreo: Your art is awesome and I wish I could join more of your drawing streams. I have run out of words, so I will give messages to people, then list those left on the list after my brain stoped languaging @Scarletfox: WE WILL PLAY SOON @Flying: YOU ARE SO CLOSE I WILL MEET YOU SOMEDAY @Lecky Twig: Borsalino > Zoro Fritz, Truthie, KoI, Spock, Jessie, BoP, Salad, Frustie, Exp, Dark, Enter, Flaffle, Rev, and anyone I may have forgotten, I wish I had words to express how much your friendship means to me. I love y'all. (sorry for the double ping, formatting was atrocious on that one)
  46. 19 points
    As I'm sure you all know, today is a very important day Happy Fourth of July!! Nah, that's not it. It's my Shardiversary! Two years here, and a *whole bunch* of incredible people who've been added to my life. Seriously, I can't imagine my life without the Shard anymore, y'all have made an imprint in my heart. holy scud that sounds cheesy... I know I'm going to end up forgetting people no matter what, but I still want to try to remember everyone. First and foremost, @Channelknight Fadran Thank you for being my best friend for the past two years. I'm so, so glad that I met you, and I wouldn't change a bit of our friendship. @Tesh You have become one of my very best friends over the past year or so, and I am so grateful for that. Screaming with you about Hunchback and whatever other shows we're currently obsessed with, and just you letting me rant to you about all sorts of things, from my confusing emotions to the randomest stuff in the universe have been some of my favorite things ever @Knight of Iron Koi, you have probably become one of my best friends just in the past, like, week and a half. Thanks for getting me re-obsessed with Imagine Dragons and just being an awesome friend! @Vapor Vapsy!! I seriously love you so much. You are gorgeous and so sweet and wonderful and I wish you realized how very incredible you are. The few times I've been able to hang out with you have been so much fun and I wish I could see you more often @Condensation Connie, the same things I said to Vapor apply to you. You were one of my first friends on the Shard and you're still one of my best friends here. Love ya! @Nathrangking I've loved reading your poetry lately and I am still undescribably happy for you! You've been a constant during my time on the Shard and I'm really glad for that! You're incredible :)) @DoomStick I'm *quite* excited for you to meet Moe irl. Also, I'm quite grateful that I've been able to have you as a friend and meet you in person. also can I have every recipe you've ever made ever? I want food I'd totally go in-depth on every person I've interacted with on here, but....I am lazy so here are some honorable mentions @Hen @AonEne @dannnnnnex @Zephrun's Imperium @Mist @revelryintheart @theTruthshaper @Scarletfox @Emi @FriarFritz @Experience @Frustration @2EmLee2 @Enter a username @Mystic Syn @Tani Love you all, here's to another...year and then I'm probably leaving on my mission :). I'm very proud of my phone dealing with all those tags.
  47. 19 points
    and by that I even include the Kholin family. Now I do not mean this a criticism of the book, as it makes perfect sense and fits the Alethi society. But in my current read-through of the SA, the horrible treatment of Kaladin really stood out to me. My first time reading I got frustrated with Kal's decisions a lot, but this time I saw myself agreeing with him a lot more. The guy is a hero, he just saved Dalinar, Adolin and 2600 of their men from CERTAIN death. The Kholin princedom would be crippled without him, half their family and almost all their military leaders dead. He did that not just risking his life, but doing what should have been an absolute death sentence- charging the plateau with a single bridge. And yet, people just completely ignore this act- most seem uncomfortable about it and sweep it under the rug. We see this when Adolin tells the story to Shallan. The fact that Shallan hasnt heard of this despite spending some time on the Shattered Plains is itself a huge condemnation of Alethi high society. He is still being treated as inferior by the lighteyes and the Kholins, despite the fact they still have a gigantic debt to him. Now, the worst offender of this is obviously Elhokar, but I dont think we can absolve the rest of them either. One example is when Kal tells Dalinar the story of Amaram. The guy already proved himself trustworthy- when he charged into (what should be) certain death to save you and your men despite having 0 reason to do so, except that his own honor compelled him to do it. He already showed you extraordinary things- and yet you are not willing to even consider he's telling the truth until the arena fight happens? Giving up Oathbringer was a great thing to do, yes- but you still owe him your life. At least dont dismiss him so easily. Another example of what i mean is the arena fight. In my first read-through i cringed at Kaladin demanding his boon, as did most readers I'd guess. But to be honest, he deserves a boon just as much as Adolin does. He jumped, armed with only a spear and a knife, into a fight with 6 shardbearers and came out winning! This is unheard of, and yet again swept under the rug by the lighteyes. Dalinar's defence of him when talking to Elhokar is also not nearly forceful enough. Again, they just put him into prison and ignore the fact that without him Sadeas would probably be king by now. I do not discount that Dalinar (and Renarin) try their best, stil love their characters. But their internalized racism (for the lack of a better word) against darkeyes really shows in WoR. Adolin is actually somewhat of an exception here- after the arena fight. But I totally understand Kal's attitude toward him. He doesnt show any gratefulness towards Kal at all. Generally, people get frustrated about Kaladin's behavior in this book- but I can totally understand him. After all the men he's saved and heroic acts he's done (including making the Assassin in White flee and the mentioned arena fight) he is still being treated as inferior. Alethi elite is insufferable!
  48. 19 points
    Lumar, Tress's planet in SP1, has 12 moons which are apparently all in geostationary orbit above oceans of their corresponding spores, at points called Lunagrees. (Sidenote: perhaps derived from perigee, the closest approach of our Moon to the Earth? Except peri- means nearest and -gee means Earth, so the etymology doesn't really work). The only possible geostationary orbits (with standard orbital mechanics) are orbits directly above the equator, so the only possible configuration is with all 12 moons orbiting in the same direction around the equator: Note: they don't technically have to be equally spaced since they are all moving at the same speed and thus will not directly collide, but they would either get gravitationally attracted to their nearer neighbor (if not equally spaced) and collide eventually, or perhaps tidal forces would pull them into equally spaced orbits over time. However, Brandon has stated in a WoB (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/490/#e15444) that he envisioned the moons to be arranged more like the vertices of an icosahedron, equally spaced in 3d space rather than just around the equator. The icosahedron is the shape of a D20 die, which has 12 corners and 20 faces. In order for such an arrangement to be geostationary, the icosahedron would have to orbit rigidly, and below are two such symmetric configurations, which I've dubbed pointy-topped and flat-topped: Pointy-topped: this configuration has 5 fold symmetry: 2 moons over the poles, and 2x5 moons on inclined orbits. Flat-topped: this configuration has 3 fold symmetry: 4 offset rings of 3 moons each. Personally, I think the flat-topped configuration looks cooler, and is slightly more feasible: the moons are closer to the equator, and there aren't stationary hovering moons over the poles. Unfortunately, these orbits are not physical, since the moons are orbiting a central axis (i.e. cylindrically) rather than the center of mass of the spherical planet. If we instead consider the moons to be geosynchronous rather than geostationary (i.e. orbits once per day but not necessarily over exactly the same spot), and minimize non-axial angular momentum, we get this pattern (for flat-topped): This corresponds to 6 pairs of circular orbits. Unfortunately, this configuration is not actually possible, as the moons would collide over the equator. This can be clearly seen if we enter the frame rotating with the planet: But don't worry: there is a configuration for the flat-topped icosahedron that does not have the issue of colliding moons: Now, while this initially seems chaotic, it actually has more symmetry than the previous pattern. It consists of 3 groups of 4 moons in circular orbits along 3 orthogonal axes (of 3d space). And, if we enter the geosynchronous frame, we can see that the moons follow staggered orbits along figure-8 paths such that they don't collide. This is cool and all, but unfortunately this still doesn't really work with the spore oceans that Brandon has set up, which seem to require each moon to have its own ocean, and thus not share its space with other moons. Also, while the moons would form an icosahedron in the sky twice a day, they are not permanently in that nice D20 shape. Finally, I'm not certain these orbits are stable, with the moons constantly moving closer and further away from the other moons. So, in the end, we must return to the rigid icosahedral orbits, which look very cool but are not physical... yet.
  49. 18 points
    It is finished! This project took much less time than I was expecting, despite it still taking around 10-13 total hours to finish. I am super happy with how it turned out, considering the whole thing is straining at the limits of the pieces! I included a Spensa minifig along with a "Doomslug" figure (just a yellow arm with a blue hand). The underside of the wing folds out with access to the technical bits for repairs and whatnot; there is also a storage compartment in the back with a destructor pistol. The model is based on the illustrations from the back of the book and the 3D model made by Simon Jennings on SketchFab (https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/skyward-ddf-poco-ship-e68799eb65bd40e193dd0d3b656274d5).
  50. 18 points
    It has been a long wait for The Lost Metal, the fourth and final book in the Wax & Wayne Era 2 Mistborn series, but the end of that wait has a finish line at last! According to a new Tor.com article, The Lost Metal will be published on November 15, 2022. We haven't heard official confirmation yet, but it's safe to assume that this release will likely be accompanied with "Dragonsteel Mini-Con 2." If no one steps forward to be the hero Scadrial needs, the planet and its millions of people will come to a sudden and calamitous ruin… That's still quite a ways off of course, with nearly a full year left to wait! Fortunately, the article also gave us a juicy book blurb that should help tide us over for a time. You can find the full details below, but first a spoiler warning! This blurb doesn't play around, getting straight to the point of the premise for Wax & Wayne book 4. It contains spoilers for the previous Mistborn Era 2 books AND the opening of Lost Metal. If you typically prefer to avoid prerelease content, you may wish to avoid this summary for the time being. Need more content? If you haven't heard it yet, you can also listen to Brandon read the Prologue of The Lost Metal on Arcanum!
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