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Well, fellas, I've finally gone and done it. It took a long time (and a lot of money), but I've finally finished the Milestone. It's essential, for people like me, to do at least once in their lives. A necessity for brethren across the fandom.

School was canceled today because of the snow and freezing rain! But my ballet class was also canceled for the same reason...

Ok, Since we have had enough time theorize about the major things from RoW, I thought it would be good to make a thread about the smaller details that doesnt have much discussion. Also, I just finished a reread and I really wanna talk about it. This is a bunch of theory fodder for future speculation too 1) Navani hears a pure note even before meeting raboniel. Even rushu How?? And Rushu?? What about Dalinar? 2)Navani created light She is only singing the rhythm of honor, and singing the rhythm redirects the investiture. Is the sibling using a vacuum tube somewhere? How is light being created? Is there some stormlight being redirected in this scene? 3)Taravangian's Bravery 4 times! 2 times italicized and at the end, the last 'bravery' is separated from all the other passions. Makes no sense to me, why is this important? 4) Taravangian never reveals how he knows szeth's dad died 5) Hmm interesting, Gav's laughter hurts szeth and szeth feels he is a danger to gav. Hmmmmm 6) Wonder what horrible things they did? 7) Close to what, Teft?? Did moash kill another amazing radiant swearing an ideal and getting redemption moment?? 8)The Tukari are wreathed in shadows for some reason 9)Odium's connection with Dalinar grows? Dalinar hasn't been doing anything to serve odium, then his connection should be weakening instead of growing, right? 10) Stone of Ten dawns I am calling it right now, Ba Ado Mishram is trapped in the stone of ten dawns. Purely based on the name 11) Raboniel wanted Venli to find the listeners, which Venli noticed and brings up many times. Raboniel died before Venli found them, but we never find out her plan? The sleeping radiants were revealed to be part of her plan to test anti-stormlight on radiant spren. But we never find out why she manipulated Venli. 12) Lift could use regrowth in Urithiru but not abrasion. The fact that abrasion doesnt work means that its not lifelight or lift's weirdness thats the cause, instead it seems that progression is really cultivation's truest surge, like adhesion to honor. Then Why do the fused have progression and not adhesion? 13) Urithiru is original? This is suuuuuper interesting, as we know that Urithiru was placed in the place 'closest to honor'. The valley of the nightwatcher also happens to be nearby. These mountains are special by themselves 14) Axindweth knew jaxlim's mental illness. The only way that makes sense to me is through future sight and fortune. Anyone more well versed in mistborn tell me if feruchemists can have an idea of the future? 15)Szeth gets shocked when he sees that ishar is a shin-like man. Dalinar doesnt think much about, bu we know that shin are the people who remember the history of the world better than everyone. I have a feeling that this revelation is ground breaking for szeth right now. 16) Very good question Venli, why didn't they? workform and warform are not forms of power, so there isn't a reason not to remember how to get them. 17) The titles of the 5 parts of RoW combined give the ketek by el at the end. It is clearly talking about urithiru, which shows us that el cares about urithiru and thinks of it as a home. Thats a problem 18) Venli suggests that the listeners knew what would happen. We know they knew about the everstorm, did they really know what was going to happen? 20) Jasnah says she could be the last alethi ruler. Is that foreshadowing for back 5? A democratic revolution? 21) Cultivation + Odium = Freedom That is how i read it anyway 22) This kind of language is only used with Dalinar, with his warmth that he thinks of as a god. What is interesting is that that Renarin is causing this, which is a first. Maybe something to do with the spiritual realm? 23) A Death rattle solved?? This is when Jasnah goes to war. Her description is very suspiciously similar to a death rattle So now we know what the army is that the ten radiants are facing. Its the singer army. with maybe some humans(iriali) wow this became huuuge. these are all the obscure details I could find in the Book. Did i miss any?

My school is putting on a talent show so some friends and I decided to put together a band (I play electric bass). We practiced our song and got it pretty good. Then auditions happened today so we had to come up with a band name. We had been throwing around some ideas, but I convinced them to settle on The Fires of Heaven. I have never been happier. This marks the beginning of a long career of naming stuff after fantasy stuff. (Note to self: Future things to give Sanderson names: bands, hats, instruments, cats, children.)

Hello! I'm here to geek out about Sanderson! I have read the first three books of Stormlight, the first two of Skyward (waiting on the third!), and a bit of the Final Empire (Mistborne 1). I also have the Call to Adventure game for Stormlight. I am working on a LEGO model of the Poco-class starfighter from Skyward, which is originally why I went on here, so I can show it off when I'm finished! A few of my hobbies (besides reading of course) are LEGO, LARP (foam sword fighting), piano, drums, and Minecraft modding. Happy to be here!

So I've seen a recent resurgance in Voidbinding intrest recently which lead me to read every WoB on it, go through every thread with that in the name, watch the shardcast and spend hours agonising over it. But Frustration I hear you say, what makes this different from any of the other theories, well, to answer that, I believe I not only can give you a rough aproximation of what voidbinding is, but how it works, and even in some cases, what it does. All spoiler tags are WoBs Voidbinging ususally comes from the Unmade this was one of my two clues at what Voidbinding was, and so I began searching The unmade and their effects we have seen are as follows Neargual - The Thrill, emotional bliss and physical might. Moeloch - Deathrattles, foresight Yelig-nar grants all ten surges Re-shephir midnight mother- creates imitations of things Ashertmarn - creates disire fro exsess. Saj-anat - corrupts spren What bugged me about this was why Yelig-nar gave surgebinding, We also have but have not seen Ba-Ado-Mishram Chemoarish Dai-Gonarthis One of the last two is responsible for Nan-Balat's life drain ability that he uses to make himself feel better in WoK I-2 These charts will be helpful https://coppermind.net/wiki/Surgebinding https://coppermind.net/wiki/Voidbinding my breakthrough came when I thought of how Odium describes the Shards of Roshar Honor and Cultivation are natural forces, they don't care, Odium does however. Surges are the fundemental forces of the Cosmere, so it stands to reason that Voids would be the fundementals of Life This also explains why Yelig-nar gives surges, because natural law is needed for life. Now the hard part came with separating the abilities of the unmade from the powers of Voidbinding, and I think I've done it With this lens I broke apart everything we know about them and searched for signs of life. For those who don't know something is considered alive if it can React to changes in it's enviroment Prosses energy Evolve Able to Reproduce Grow and develope Self regulate(temerature, ph etc) Now on to the Voidbinding chart a few things of note, It has commonly been stated that the Voids are the surges with the left side flipped 180 degrees. And While this is true of Gravitation Progression Illumination Transportation and Cohesion it is not true for all of them Division could be counted as flipped with artistic lisence making it look better, but I'm unsure The ones that don't fit are Adhesion Division(Maybe) Abrasion Transformation and Tension So I have(I think) eight of the ten Voids Desire, the ability to manipulate the wants of others Instinct ability to manipulate your own emotions 3. Learning, Note similarity to F-Zinc and copper. "Over time, slowly, she'd[Re-shephir] become increasingly intrigued by the things she had murdered." Oathbringer page 309 4. Foresight, only one confirmed 5. Memory, aids living things, note similarity to F-copper 6.Enlightenment, corruption, transforming one kind of investiture into another kind, prossesing it. "Did not the humans revere Transformation-the ability of all beings to become something new, someone better-as a core of their religion?" -Sja-Anat on Enlightening RoW page 287 7.Evolving other things, similar principles to Hemalurgic construction. 8. Life drain, hurting other things to heal oneself note similarity to Hemalurgy Of course there are other things, we haven't seen three Unmade and there are other things unexplained, Time Dialation at Kholinar palace, the Queens guard's unusual stillness, but I think this works in a way. Now on to the more mechanical ascpects of Voidbinding One should note that the Two VoidOrders inside the gem are not connected to Voids, I think this is because of BAM in some way I belive Voidbinding to be a End-Negative On page 671 of RoW it says that recording visions takes stormlight and effort from Glys, reminds me of Aethers tireing, which makes me wonder if something like this questioner was If, Voidbinding, like Dakor consumes the soul itself. Anyway what do you think? I've spent so long on this I'm starting to lose my mind and probably missed something.

I just had a random idea for an RP: An RP where you could reuse characters from dead/currently inactive RPs, because why not? It would be very unorganized, like FotT, but I think it would be fun. What do you people think? Also. @DoomStick I think you'd appreciate what came in the mail awhile ago. =)

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I dont think he's neccesarily lying. I think it might be like the Atium/Preservation situation There is a WoB that one could reproduce an ability like Atium using the power of Preservation, but it wouldnt be as easy or natural as using Preservation for Allomancy. i think the same thing goes for Odium. He prob could grant/create an ability like Adhesion, but it would probably require him to apply his power in a way he wouldnt like. Syntax is just like... the way you spell things. The name Axindweth, its makeup is verrry Terris.

To address some of the things going around about me, no, I never claimed to be new I just let that assumption go without correcting it cause it's sort of true depending on how you look at it. Without going into too much detail and possibly giving away my IRL identity, I haven't played SE in a long time so as far as meta and what the norms are I have no idea, and even then I've only played a handful of games, so I still wouldn't consider myself overly experienced and some things others might know I don't necessarily, but I'm also a former tournament judge for Magic the Gathering so rules interactions and stuff like that are totally my jam. So given how much of the D1 conversations were based off of assumptions due to what has happened before I had almost no clue what was going on, but once we had information I was able to make some deductions. As was mentioned, my CR is Past Lives, so I was referencing the fact that my Anon Account had a new profile pic while making it about my CR. Role Madness is a term I legitimately don't remember seeing used before, but the term seemed fairly straight forward thus I guessed what it meant but posted it anyway in case I was incorrect. I have since looked through the General Rules and Etiquette thread to confirm some of the other phrases and abbreviations I've seen people using I was unfamiliar with. I had two posts at the beginning that were both in response to other people's assumptions about the connection between that game and this one. As with all of the other things I've said about my past games you have no way of confirming or disproving my statement but I did not play in that game and am unfamiliar with it. I'm not sure why you interpret as being well versed in what had happened in that game. It was a direct response to Iguana's and the other posts that were also in response to their initial post. In my past experience with games, I don't remember role swapping being frowned upon, so yes I was trying to do some of it so I could get information to actually be able to contribute to discussion instead of having nothing to say due to the discussion being about recent games and meta. Once Salmon Meerkat pointed out both in thread and our pm to them that roleswapping was more likely to be helpful to the elims than the village I switched my perspective on it relatively quickly because Meerkat was my biggest village read, and it seemed to echo with what other people had been saying. Since you bring up that I didn't clarify who I had been pming with, Scarlet Octopus didn't seem very interested in PMing and said they don't really roleclaim. Chartreuse Penguin and I did some discussion about things happening in thread at the time, and then said they weren't interested in roleclaiming as it was info for elims. Turqoise Gorilla and I had a short exchange that ended with them saying they like to keep their cards close to their chest as roleclaiming could be dangerous. I had a short talk with Mauve Crocodile about the fact that in RP they drank the last of my milk and took the tip I had intended for the bartender, then they asked if I wanted to roleswap which I did so I told them I was village Thug and they send they were roleless village. Salmon Meerkat and I had various discussions and they ended up saying they didn't want to roleswap. That was the extent of my early pms I referenced in that post. I also sent a pm to Iguana D1 they never responded to, and Pearl sent me a pm near the end of D1 like they did everyone else. On the topic of the contradiction between my posts saying I want to avoid vote manip and then later saying I wanted to see what info we got from potential vote manip, my only real explanation is that I didn't feel confident enough in either Gorilla or Crocodile being elim to want to force them to die, so I chose to vote Iguana and force a 3 way tie and see what we found out. Since each of the 3 had the option to self pres it also gave us information about which of the two people they were tied with they would rather see die. Sorry for long post and potentially confusing layout I just figured I needed to get something out there to explain the things people had been bringing up.

Rhythm of War confirmed for me that Adolin is purely a foil. I do not think that is a bad thing. I just think that is all he is. Any view point, big moment or plot of his is either to serve a main character's arc, or is another main character's arc that was stretched to include him. I have included what I believe to be all the arcs below: 1. Dalinar questioning his sanity. We have confirmation via WoB that Adolin was used to make this inner conflict external 2. The Tower. Kaladin and Dalinar's moment. Adolin was the means to connect the two 3. The four shardbearer duel. The lead up was to serve Dalinar's plot of uniting the highprinces and place suspicion on Amaram. The fight itself was to give Kaladin a moment to challenge Amaram and further his plot to nearly break his oath with Syl when he was locked away as result. 4. Relationship with Shallan served to develop Shallan further, give her access to the Kholins (since if Jasnah was there as originally intended, Brandon felt would suffocate Shallan's character and prevent her from growing), and provide her a vehicle (literally and figuratively) to Urithiru. 5. Killing Sadeas. The inciting moment served Dalinar's (facing now the world threat), and Shallan's (Ghostbloods) arc. 6. Revelation about the Rift and Evi, totally and absolutely about Dalinar and his arc. Adolin was just to make it external like the insanity in WoK. 7. Infiltration of Kholinar. Kaladin's arc about his conflict with seeing enemies as people, and freezing up. Shallan's arc about facing her deeper secrets. Adolin was an excuse for them to be there. (oh yeah almost forgot, and Elhokar bonding a radiant spren and getting killed) 8. Travel through shadesmar, Kaladin's arc about working towards his fourth oath, and Shallan coming to terms with what happened in Kholinar. Adolin was there to drive them forward And now we reach Rhythm of War which for me proved all of the above. All of the plots regarding Adolin, save one, were a rehash of all the plot moments he was apart of in the first three books 1. Adolin's issues with Dalinar is a plot rehash of Adolin's issues with Dalinar in Way of Kings with insanity. 2. Travel through Shadesmar is a rehash of the travel through Shadesmar during Oathbringer. 3. Adolin's fight is a rehash of the four shardbearer duel during Words of Radiance 4. The time in Lasting Integrity is a rehash of the infiltration of Kholinar during Oathbringer Here is the big one. Maya! The deadeye plot was originally only Shallan's. Testament was seeded since Way of Kings. That was the original deadeye plot. Maya and Adolin were never originally a thing, because in the original format, Adolin was already dead. So Adolin and Maya were to make the hints more obvious, and give him something to do along side Shallan. But Testament proves this was originally only Shallan's story all along. edit: Oh I forgot! There is also the WoB where Brandon was originally going to have Lift go on the trip with Shallan. So Lift would have been the individual exhibiting Edgedancerness remembering those who were forgotten, and might have been originally meant to be the one to argue in the trial. So as I said, my unpopular opinion is that Adolin is a foil character period, and for myself Rhythm of War proved it. Not here to argue over Adolin. Just stating that is my personal understanding of the character.

@Ookla the Theoretical: You probably didn't notice it, but it's your turn. Would be great if you post a clue or give the round to someone else, whatever you like. But I'd really love to have a new round!

My bad there, but now I see your point, which makes a great deal of sense. This might actually be it. I forgot that the Windrunners also represent Leadership. My proposal of Ideal might even be a little selfish, considering that each Radiant's journey is one of improvement and self care, but this one is really possible and makes a whole lot of sense, specially if you part from the 4th Ideal, acceptance that you cannot protect everyone, so how do you improve upon it? What is the next step? What better way to show leadership and improvement than showing others to protect themselves.

It seems like a waste of a metalmind to use it for half shards or shard plate, tbh. You invest your personal energy into something and then it gets chopped away in a few hits. Seems like if you have a metal rich planet like Scadrial then you should just use aluminium as an anti-shardblade measure. As far as using Scadrian investiture I think we kind of have one of those with Nightblood. He's clearly aligned with Ruin - he riots people, projects into their minds, is end-negative toward investiture, and even leaks that black mist. But I don't think users of Ruin or Preservation's investiture could create a weapon like that unaided.

I think my opinion might be highly unpopular, but here goes. To start with, I really loved the character of Taln while reading the four books. I remember being giddy whenever he had a scene. He was my top fav side character. Just one problem. I thought he broke. I took the idea that taln broke as a fact. I am dumb and didn't realise that RoW in particular was hinting that Taln didn't break. The arrival of the everstorm to circumvent the oathpact and taln breaking in the same time frame was a little too wierd. And then Brandon confirmed it in a WoB. Some fans cheered, some fans were surprised and some fans felt vindicated as they already were expecting it. I was less than thrilled. The problem with Taln is he is JUST TOO DAMN PERFECT. I loved Taln when I thought that he tried his best and ended up giving humanity 4500 years of time. He was a very inspiring character. Now he is a freaking god. Apparently, he still has a lot more years of torture he can endure. He is nowhere close to being done. He is basically unbreakable. Taln, as he is right now, is vey antithetical to the themes of SA, and the fact that nobody is talking about it drives me nuts. First of all, NO HUMAN is strong enough to what Taln did. I mean where would you even cultivate the inner strength to endure so much torture? How can you even reach that level of determination? If instead, you think it's more likely that such strength can't be cultivated, you have to be born with it, it still makes Taln an angel who descended to earth compared to the rest of the humans. Because 4500 years is a mind-numbingly long time! A fact that I feel that many people are not giving the importance it deserves. If a random stranger says that he will die for you, you won't be inspired, you would be creeped out! I feel the same way with Taln. No one should be that self-sacrificial. That is not healthy, that is insane and scary. I would stay as far as possible away from him in real life. Can you imagine if a guy like that got angry with you over something? He might chase you to the ends of the earth. Second, he makes the lives of all other characters kinda pointless. The main theme of SA is that 'broken' people deserve to live happy lives (even after making mistakes). Teft deserves love. Shallan deserves love. Kaladin should not kill himself. Dalinar deserves forgiveness and redemption(debatable). But its very hard to say they deserve anything with the presence of an infallible person who has suffered so much more than them. All their conflicts and struggles seem melodramatic compared to the sheer amount of pain that Taln went through without making a mistake. . If the survival of humanity is the highest moral goal right now, Kaladin's life is just not priceless. It's nothing compared to Taln's worth as an 'unbreakable' human being. Because Kaladin just can't hold the desolation back for that long. Example: in tWoK, Kaladin briefly considers abandoning his friends and saving his own life. In WoR he doubts his own friends' love for him in the jail cell. In OB, he gets angry at Adolin for no reason and chides himself. These thoughts are not ooc for Kal even though he is a windrunner poster boy because everyone is fallible and breakable. Everyone makes mistakes and that's fine. Every character in SA has some insecurity about something, even Jasnah. If i must fall, I will rise each time a better man. Finally, he legitimises the oathpact and trivializes torture. The oathpact is a horrible plan and anything else would have been better. No human should be asked for that much. But Taln makes it look like it was the heralds who were insufficient, not the freaking plan. Because of Taln, the other 9 heralds look bad, even though they were amazing people who went through the saddest times possible. SA is a optimistic series, but if you took a herald as the protagonist and went through their life, the desolations alone would put the series solidly in grimdark territory. They really deserve more respect, but who can NOT compare them to Taln? He also trivializes torture. No way around it. Torture is horrific and inhumane. It scars people in irreparable ways physically and psychologically. In a series with realistic depictions of battle shock, Taln sticks out like a sore thumb. If I am right in thinking that the heralds can heal in braize, how many times do you think Taln's genitals were shredded like cheese? Cuz let's be sure, that definitely happened in 4500 years even if the books will never show it happening ( shivers).( I hope I didn't break any coppermind rules with that sentence) I feel like there has to be an actual reason why Taln did not break. I have faith in Sanderson. Every other character in SA feels real to me. Even the evil ones like Sadeas and Rayse. I am just surprised that most fan discourse I see don't seem to question it and seem to think that Taln just weathered it with his own strength, which I find impossible. He must have had advantages right? If the ans is just that Taln is a Super Mega Alpha male chad boy with a golden heart, I will probably keep ranting about it.

FYI: I have only read Stormlight Archive, Warbreaker and Mistborn Era 1 and Secret History. This theory is based on what I know about hoid till now. Anyone who has read the other cosmere works, please correct me where I am wrong. Hoid usually is very content with he does. He seems to be in control most of times, nothing really surprises him anymore. He is one of the oldest beings in the cosmere and one of the most knowledgeable. His persona is of a chaotic trickster with no allegiance to anyone. And that is very much true to his real personality. But Roshar is where we have seen him be most... human. Rosharans surprise Wit a lot. For ex he is flabbergasted about something when he sees young Shallan at the marketplace ( we have no idea why. Not important to the theory, just mentioned it) He is at a genuine loss for words when shallan hugs him years later. I don't think he expected for shallan to be affectionate towards him. He is again shocked when Kaladin asks him for a story, saying that 'no one has ever asked that'. Also hoid is at his most wholesome with Shallan and Kaladin, giving them very heartfelt therapy- story sessions.'Accept the pain, don't think you deserve it' and 'You will be warm again' can make me tear up. He is very helpful this time for protecting the planet( instead of Mistborn where he accelerates the danger). He also has a romantic interest in Jasnah. He is also very open about his belief in a god. The main theme is that hoid is developing actual human connections with the Rosharans, something he has never had before. This will end only in tragedy. Because taravangian Brandon has confirmed that Taravangian completely ' hornswoggled' hoid in the epilogue. Hoid did feel true terror there. He did lose some of his memories. Hoid, for the first time, has been actually hurt in a confrontation. Brandon also said that Hoid will find out what happened in the lead up to the contest. (Prolly with the metalminds) This dude has not felt fear in maybe 7000 years, who says Hoid won't overreact? Because hoid was really motivated in having rayse- odium bound to the system. And todium has proven himself to be far superior of a threat already. There is also a lot of foreshadowing that Hoid will betray Roshar. When he talks to Dalinar, he says 'i will burn this world down to get what I want, even with tears'. He repeatedly tells shallan and Jasnah not to trust people. At the end of RoW, Dalinar has to choose between trusting odium and wit I think we will see Hoid betray the people of Roshar in a cruel,stone-cold way just to make sure todium stays bound. I don't know exactly how, but it will happen. The good guys will have to fix what he did too and some damage could be irreparable. He will definitely lose all his friends and this time, he will have genuine sadness and tears. This time? Yes, because hoid has definitely betrayed Roshar before. During the first desolation. We know he knew the heralds (as midius). Isn't it interesting that stonewards are associated with topaz and they swear an oath to be where they are needed? Two things common with hoid? Also doesn't rayse seem just a little too angry when he reads 'cephandrius' name in the contract. Like he really, really hates hoid for some reason. Is it because all of this has happened before, like this? Hoid bring up the idea of the oathpact and the heralds. Because whose plan was this exactly? Who the heralds bring up the idea of eternal torture themselves. No this seems cruel enough to be hood's idea He was meant to be the the tenth herald, the stoneward-ish herald, but the moment the oathpact was created, his business was done and he left the planet, leaving the Rosharans to panic. Taln steps up for the job and the rest his history. I think in this case Hoid knew that taln was going to pick his place. But what he did was still a betrayal. He just doesn't care much This time, he will care What do you guys think?

Why on Roshar did Wit give Kaladin his flute? And why did Kaladin find it again at the end of RoW? What is being set up here? Well, I've been wondering these things and instead of coming to any logical conclusions, I have dreamed up a very whacky Battle of Champions theory that is utterly wrong but could it be so wrong that it is right? The whole last book we've been learning about Tones and Rhythms, Kaladin has a flute, and there's a really weird Death Rattle that makes me think of El for no other reason than that he gives me "black piper in the night" vibes (and, well, he is into human art forms which would include musical instruments, and the whole "no man can hear" kind of echoes his previous Vyre/'He Who Quiets' Fused title: So Dalinar and co meet TaravOdium at the Battle of Champions. They're all like WOAAAH and already thrown off. Dalinar declares himself his own champion, then El rocks up as Odium's champion, pipe in hand. Odium cackles and says MWAHAHAHA you didn't think I'd face the Blackthorn in a battle of swords!! This is a battle of wind instruments... to the death... mwahahaha. Dalinar is looking freaked out, but Kaladin steps up and says, hey I kinda found my old flute again 10 days ago and I've never actually played it but it's a wind instrument and I'm a Windrunner so it can't be that hard right? And Dalinar is like, yep son, I think you should go for it. So Kaladin and El face off, Kal is blowing into his flute like a kid in elementary school who is forced to learn the recorder, face red from lack of oxygen, fingers flying wildly over the holes, and hey it's kind of working cause those Fused are covering their ears from the horror of the sound. Hoid is mortified at the blasphemy that is the noises coming out of his beautiful old flute. El is playing his pipe but we can't hear a thing cause Kaladin is just too loud - hence the "playing a tune that no man can hear" part. But it brings the stone to life and forms into a giant hand that lifts El and Kal up above the storm clouds - "holds us in his palm" TICK. What happens next, is a mystery. They are in the sky and the sky belongs to Kaladin, and no one else can see... Does Kal throw the flute aside and claim El's life with his Syl spear? Would the dishonor of such an act kill what is left of Honor, dooming them all? Was that Odium's plan all along? Does El have some mysterious tricks up his carapace? Feel free to continue the story in the comments below! But could this also solve the mystery of book five's title? The final part of the ketek WoK-WoR-O-RoW-? The one that no one saw coming? Keening of Windpipes!

I am working on breaking down the Unkalaki language and trying to relate some of it to what we know about the Dawnchant, and the even less we know about the Shin Language. I would be grateful for assistance. Unkalaki: Phonology: In terms of Vowels, we can see that they are shown ratehr simply, and we have a clear depiction of when vowels are seperated, for the most part, with them being seperated by a '. As seen in ali'i'kamura, this means we can quite easily see why digraphs are, and long vowels. We can see in alaii'iku that long vowels likely exist, with it seeming to depict a long ai dipthong. Or, if I am wrong, could mean a-ii or even just ai-i. It is hard to tell in text alone. In terms of digraphs we have ua, au, and ai. Otherwise it appears to follow a simple five vowel system. We know that the Horneater tongue is very heavily based on Polynesian tongues, so I am going to assume this is based on Maori, which has very similar orthography. So assume that au is a dipthong, but ua is pronounced as u-a. It also appears to have an alternate vowel signified by ay seen in Mohoray In consonants, we know it has b, v, f, m, p, n, h, r, l, k, and c. Due to the already existing presence of k, and the lack of an s, it is most likely the c is meant to represent some form of fricative. Likely the voiceless alveolar fricative. Though could possibly be ð, as it represents in Fijian, an Malayo-Polynesian language. But the s reading is more likely. Phonotactics allow for clusters of rt (umarti'a), lk (tuma'alki), lm (Tuaka'li'na'calmi'nor) and also h'l, though this, while common, is always broken up. The language otherwise actively tries to avoid consonant clusters, it also appears to have little to no codas, and always tends towards open syllables. The only consonants that seem to be allowed to end a coda are r and l, seen in Hotental, Lunamor, Tuaka'li'na'calmi'nor. Even the things that seem to be clusters ultimately also have an r or l. Therefore we must be also open to the possibility these are not clusters, but are rather closed syllables placed right before the consonant onset of another syllable. This would explain why all examples of these "clusters" are ones that have a consonant that is known to be one of the few consonants that are allowed to act as a coda. This, I feel, is the more likely possibility. Grammer: We can make out that the language is highly agglutinative, with various affixes appended to a root word in order to change the meaning or encode more information into it. Mafah'liki for example has "liki" which cord told us is "of mind". It also contains "mafah" which is extremely similar to "malah" which is one of the words in the Dawnchant excerpt that we have. This means that we can tell that it works through the appending of suffixes. Through the way that various Unkalaki speak, we can expect that it is a language that has a heavy presence of linguistic gender, using masculine and thus most likely also feminine in pronouns, and applying it to even inanimate objects. "take everything you have, and put him in pot", this likely also suggests the lack of a definite grammatical article. Extra Note: Lunu'anaki is the god of travel and mischief who cannot hurt man, Hoid. "You're crazy! You're ana'kai crazy." this could mean that the anaki in the name is related to being crazy, or that ana'kai comes from Lunu'anaki. Or they are unrelated and ana'kai means something like f-cking or whatever. Shin: Phonology: The Shin have seem to developed into a far more consonant heavy language than Unkalaki, as we can mainly see in names, Szeth Thresh-son-Esan Neturo-son-Vallano Shauka-daughter-Hasweth Ali-daughter-Hasweth Shubreth-son-Mashalan They appear to retain the au present in Unkalaki, or they possibly both developed it before splitting, or even independently, if not present in the original Dawnchant tongue. They posses various consonants not shown in Unkalaki, such as Th, Sh, Z, and W. They are also much more accepting of consonant clusters. Seen in Hasweth, Shubreth, and Thresh. These all appear to be using a glide following a consonant. With it only happening with r and w as far as we can see. That is outside of Szeth, which is sub-vocalized. Grammer: Dawnate:

I think the correlation comes from corrupted investiture, which Nightblood probably has and shades almost certainly have. I believe that Nightblood works by corrupting investiture (commonly from souls) and eating it, and the shades work by corrupting the spiritweb, perhaps eating some of it.

No, actually, its 5:20 PM where I am now. TPBM is on a Chromebook.

*oofs from headbutt* Welcome to the Shard!

well we do know that there is a sheath for night blood, we just dont have it described. could it be silver?

Nameless decided that Moni would like to turn into infinite money. Moni turned into Money, and now has no sentience and can't turn back.

Stormlight theories (and just the random forums that have no need to exist) Scud or Storms?

Gets a happy me. Inserts actually getting ready for school before the time you have to leave so you can go on the Shard until you have to leave.

Thanks for the info. True, but the way he dismissed the idea does sound like he views them as completely separate creatures (tied mainly by their connection to the cognitive realm). If I had to throw out a wild guess, I'd say the Siah Aimians may have been humans who used the change dawnshard to transform themselves into spren-like cognitive beings in order to achieve immortality, similar to the Returned on Nalthis. This might have been part of what prompted the scouring -- other Aimians (particularly the sleepless) did not like the fact that the Siah Aimians were drawing too much attention to the dawnshard, and thus orchestrated the destruction/sealing of Aimia.

Do you hate Moash?

1. I am fairly interested right off the bat. The story I'm expecting by the end of the first chapter and the story I was expecting at the beginning are not the same, but I would probably read either. 2. Overall the MC's dialogue seems age appropriate. The two lines that sounded more mature to me were at the beginning and the end "whatever comes next" and "of course I have." I like both fo these lines, but they sound more advanced to me than the rest of the MC's internal dialogue. 3. For me, I'd like some more world building hints early on. Until 'space steel' is mentioned, I'm picturing a boy in a small town with a lake and a duck as his best buddy. There's a bit of whiplash as a reader switching from that expectation to that small town being a colony on another world. I've read books that do that intentionally though, it's not nessicary a negative thing. 4. The Beowolf sounding title had me expecting some heavy fantasy elements. Aside from the title, I would anticipate a coming of age/sports story in a scifi setting where the MC has to deal with controlling his temper and possibly some culture shock/discrimination on earth when he goes to compete. Thanks for sharing!

Nobody would have cared if they had just taken allomantic miscreant, criminals or provincials. There is no point in creating a vague misdirection, if you weren't noticed in the first place. You can lie only if you have an idea about what you ought to lie. The specific list precludes that. You'd give your people a list of known allomancers. You need to keep your power after you've gotten it. Secondly, we know for sure that their plans are changing. In fact radically and genocidally so.

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. TPBM has watched the Princess Bride and has enjoyed it.

Also, Rhythm of War dug much more into cosmere aware stuff (4 new Shard names!) and magic mechanics (all the Navani and Raboniel science part) than previously. I think the books going forward may be freer with this sort of info, as we're moving into an era of the Cosmere where these things will be more relevant. Stormlight 5 will be the end of the cosmere "first arc", IIRC.

Odium and Honor are far more aligned than you seem to think

And!?!

I think you might be misunderstanding me a bit. I don't think that the Alethi war codes are the 5th Windrunner ideal. I think they could have been one Windrunner's 5th ideal in the past. Their personal legacy to inspire protection and leadership in society since they have sworn to protect, yet also understood that they personally cannot protect everyone. This would be a way to continue to protect, yet also empower others to be part of that protecting and not forcing all of the responsibility on oneself. In that way, the fifth ideal would be a Radiant's personal embodiment of the ideals in some form that could be used by society more broadly and have the greatest impact. I completely agree that the ideals are unique to each individual, as we have seen in the books many times now, so my idea was that Kaladin's 5th ideal would also be something of a legacy for protection in the vein of his own personal struggle - something like a book or clinic that aims to improve support for people experiencing mental illness like he was starting to do in RoW.

I know it's not exactly what you asked, but I hope the epigraphs / letters continue in the back 5, and in book 6 we get a third Sazed letter filled with some hot Mistborn Era 2 and Stormlight 5 gossip

Taravangian - a letter from the new Odium to all other involved parties. Alternatively from Hoid to everyone basically saying "I told you so," or maybe Cultivation corresponding with Hoid or the other Shards. Cosmere spoilers:

Having worked on a screenplay adaptation of this story, I've spent a lot of time with it - which tends to make both its good qualities and its flaws stand out more to me. However in my opinion, the books attributes definitely outweigh its issues. Oh, and before you read more... spoiler alert. The biggest flaw for me is the fact that despite Shai arguing at the start that the project is essentially impossible, we don't really feel her struggling to complete her work on time. While it could definitely be argued that that isn't what the story is really about, I do feel like it still results in a slight lack of forward momentum and tension. I also find that people tend to complain that the primary antagonists - Frava, the Bloodsealer, and Zu - feel rather flat (though I personally love the Bloodsealer), and while the Bloodsealer and Zu do get their showdowns at the end, Frava and her counter-forger unfortunately just sort of fade into the background without ever really becoming true threats. Those issues all presented interesting challenges when trying to adapt the story. However, one of the advantages of stretching a novella to fill a full 2 hours is that it lets you take time to flesh things out, letting me do things like flesh out the Arbiters and the Emperor a bit and try to add more urgency to the constructing of the Emperor's soulstamp. I also realized early on that the story also lends itself to being told in an interesting non-linear style, which was a blast to write! As to whether the story is "Good" or "Amazing". I don't know what exactly the qualifiers are for either status, but in my opinion The Emperor's Soul stands as one of Brandon's masterpieces and definitely worthy of standing with the original Mistborn trilogy and TWOK. The deftness with which he weaves its unique themes and magic system are deeply compelling and makes it a great tour de force of what Brandon can do when he's bringing his "A" game. And as a sucker for plot design, I really love how beautiful the story's symmetry is, with lots of powerful moments like Shai's burning of the painting being mirrored by Gaotona's burning of her journal. So I guess that makes it "Amazing" in my book.

I think that RoW was a good book. But...it felt lacking after the massive buildup of Oathbringer, and the huge world-wide events that occurred there. And I cared about all the stuff going on because of the world building that happened in the previous two books. RoW, in comparison, felt a bit like a let down after what I had expected from Oathbringer. Plus, both Kaladin and Shallan, in my opinion, felt like they had regressed since the last book, and that felt a little frustrating to me.

That's not how I read those scenes, but I can see that. So do you think if we fixed their illnesses ( like there is a bondsmith swearing an ideal every second for the rest of eternity) do you think the heralds would be completely okay? Like small changes but mostly the same person? My headcannon was more like at first heralds were very honrable, the torture slowly reveals their insecurities one by one, after they abandon the oathpact they get magical madnesses which feed on said insecurities and magically magnify them. Shallan and lightweavers( elhokar seem like they generally struggle with self hatred and shalash's madness seems like a manifestation of her own self hatred( she destroys only her face right) Jezrien seems like teft and kal mixed with their flaws more magnified Point is, I feel like heralds are human and understandable even if they are superhuman and they have really wierd illnesses We are just having a friendly discussion, you don't need to apologise for anything. No one's trying to invalidate anyone. I think it gets harder to put reasonable limits on yourself when you have an example of someone seemingly limitless. But maybe that is a part of the story that Brandon wants to tell

I think that the reason Taln cannot break is because people saw him as unbreakable. We've seen spren be affected by perception, and we've seen that the fused become more and more set in their ways as they age, so it makes sense that Taln would eventually come to embody everyone's perception of him as an unbreakable hero.

Why your welcome!

So what was your favorite thing to look at when lurking?

welcome!

I thought it was great and was a different format than other books but spoilers

Odium/Toadium- I win this contest of champions!!!! Dalinar- NOOOO!!!! A blazing white figure fell down from darkest skies, like a falling star, like the heralds from Tranquiline halls. A brilliant Shardspear gleamed brighter than the sun, brighter than the day ever saw and his body scintillated with hundred thousand pinpricks of light, like stars illuminating the blackest night. His eyes smoldered as the birth and death of star, brighter and brighter until pure white energy wafted over his skin- Almighty's true essence. And when he spoke, it wasn't Stormlight that puffed from his lips. Kaladin (giving some signature pose) - I.....AM.....HONOR! The Stormfather grumbled in surprise- Oh, damn....I have been missing that all along!

I like your theory. Kaladin`s name means he, who is born to eternity. Kalad means eternity, in being born unto. That would support your theory.

The blood being in motion is part of it. Because the power, once used, returns to him--much as water, after passing over a turbine, continues on in its system. If they tried to actualize their Aon, it would have an undesirable result. In addition, the chasm broke their bond to the humans they were tied to, and you can see the result of that. So they were affected.

I've tried to be more GLBT aware in recent years, but I want to be careful. Doing it poorly could be more insulting than doing it not at all. Having Ryan, the real world Drehy from Bridge Four, as a friend does at least give me access to someone who can give early feedback and tell me where I might be going wrong. So let's just say maybe. I will keep the books, in this series at least, long. It's what the story demands. As for title...it does have a certain charm, but I worry that it just feels wrong to too many people. Three out of four laugh when I mention it. That doesn't bode well...