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  1. Well guys – we’ve just kept on rolling in our house. To be completely honest, I think that we’ve kept listening to the books together mainly because Tay slipped a disc in her back and so walking upstairs to our TV has been a bit of a mission, so staying downstairs and listening to Oathbringer has been a much less painful experience for her. SO! We decided to skip Soilencourager for the time being, just because Tay wanted more Kaladin/Dalinar/Shallan action – but mainly she found out that Pattern wasn’t in the novella and wasn’t super interested in it. So! Without further ado, I present to you Tay’s reactions to Oath…breaker! -- One of the first reactions she had was to question – “Why did the Parshendi use Szeth to kill Gavilar? They just happened to have a super-skilled assassin who could be a Surgebinder tagging along with them to the treaty meetings?” I was similarly perplexed. In Eshonai’s prologue perspective, she mentions Klade or another one of the Listener leaders being drawn to Szeth by a voice – are we all in agreement that this is Odium influencing the Listeners to Szeth to make sure that this budding future Bondsmith is killed? Or are there other theories as to why Szeth just happened to be around to be used by the Listeners to kill Gavilar? -- To test Tay’s understanding of the books the farther along we go, I asked her to describe what spren are. TAY: Okay Chris. I’m pretty connected to the matrix. I can tell you what spren are. A spren is a cute magical thing that appears out of nowhere and helps you. Like a stray puppy. It’s important to recognize, however, that when they’re cute magical beings they are sometimes gods. Or storms. Or lamps. ME: Lamps? TAY: Yeah, lamps. Like Navani traps them in things and makes them do stuff. Like be lamps. They also come from the magical bead place. ME: What’s that place called? TAY: Sssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh…adesmar? ME: Yes! TAY: Oh good. I really wanted to say “Shallandavar”. -- *After I mentioned some of the Radiant orders* TAY: Willshapers? Is that what they call a conveyancing attorney? Help you dissolve your estate? Ha! -- *Kaladin is on his way to Hearthstone* TAY: Press pause. There’s something I have to do. ME: *presses pause* TAY: *sings the entire song of “My Hometown” off of Bruce Springsteen’s classic 1984 album Born in the U.S.A. while imitating Bruce’s singing voice* -- Not really a specific quote, but when the “No Mating” scene showed up, Tay lost it. She is starting to feel feelings for Pattern usually only reserved for our cats and is now referring to Pattern as ‘my baby’. She loved when Shallan says something along the lines of “Well if you love Adolin so much why don’t you marry him?” and Pattern asks if that’s possible. I think she now likes Adolin enough that she’s fine if Pattern ditches Shallan to bond with Adolin. -- Just a point that we both loved: the scene where Adolin and Shallan practice with their Blades and Shallan just loves doing a thing that Adolin is obviously thrilled about. We realized that being with a person while they’re in their element (even if you don’t necessarily like it) is an important part of love, and something that just makes the relationship that much more special. For me, apparently, it’s whenever I get into some deep rugby analysis or I’m explaining an exciting historical event in great detail. Tay realized that this is why so many of her students love her while her colleagues think she’s just decent – her students are seeing her get animated and gushing about The Great Gatsby or Ulysses or A Thousand Splendid Suns while her colleagues are only getting to know her through faculty meetings and such. Really fun realization through this scene! -- She also kind of wants to use Dalinar’s takama belt anecdote in her classes now, but can’t quite figure out where to fit it. -- TAY: Elhokar? Aladar? Gavilar? Dalinar? Kalanor? Revolar? Mrazie, Graves, and Rayse? Why are all these names so similar?! Can’t the leader of the Ghostbloods just be named “Steve”? -- She got actual chills down her spine when Dalinar realized he heard Evi’s name. -- *Hears Urithiru named* TAY: Kind of sounds like ‘urethra’ and I can’t unhear it. -- *Taravangian and Dalinar talking about Nohadon’s dilemma in The Way of Kings* TAY: Taravangian, you’re heavy metal and I am here for it. Kill them all. -- *I point out that many names in Vorin society are palindromic* TAY: Hahaha. Brightlord Tacocat. -- *Tay is upset that Re-Shephir is not killed by Shallan* ME: Well she fled further into the mountain so she’s not a problem any more. TAY: Not a problem!? She’s still a problem! I’d be even more paranoid living in this place now. It’s like if we had confirmation that there were deadly toxic mushrooms in our house but we don’t know where they are. Would you call that ‘not a problem’? -- To finish things off: I’m quizzing Tay before each post to name the Orders of Radiants. Here’s how she did: TAY: Lightweavers. Windrunners. Bondsmiths. Oathbringers. Edgedancers. Skywalkers. Waterdancers. Oathbreakers. Windrunners. Light… weavers. Have I done that already? Dammit. -- That’s all for now folks! Crem before cremlings.
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  2. To me I see this as a necessary shock to Kaladin's character, he's overdue for soul searching. Mostly, I don't think Kaladin was ever really cut out to be a soldier. He's talented at fighting, but that alone doesn't a soldier make. He mostly just latched onto the role of soldier and bodyguard to Dalinar as a role to give his life focus. Now he can actually start asking himself the important questions about what he really wants to do with his life, and how he can best help himself and others. Kaladin's real purpose is to be a leader. He gives hope to the hopeless, a sense of meaning to the lost, and looks out for the most vulnerable in the group. He helps others shine. It's important to remember what drew Sylphrena to Kaladin in the first place was how he protected his squad in Amaram's army. Not just physically protected, but gave them a sense of purpose and belonging. And that's what he's done to so many other hopeless souls along the way. Various Alethi slaves, all the original Bridge 4, Rlain, Renarin, the parshmen group at the start of Oathbringer etc. Kal is at his best when he's guiding and leading others, so in a way it's a blessing that Dalinar is forcing him to leave the front line fighting.
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  3. Hello! I am a big fan of all things Brando Sando. I have read Stormlight, (and I am reading RoW preview chapters) Mistborn, Warbreaker, the Rithmatist, and Wheel of Time. I l one fantasy, as you can see. My favorite characters in all of Brandon's books are Kaladin, Szeth, and Hoid. Who are your favorites?
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  4. Sorry I haven't been active that much. I've been taking a break, my mental health isn't exactly where it should be at the moment, it's not great. I'll still come here occasionally, but I haven't been doing so well. Anyway, yeah. Bye for now.
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  5. There is too much discussion of Brandon's intention or literary tropes or the hero's journey for my taste. Let us trust in Brandon in that everything will explain out of the story itself.
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  6. From a literary-tropes perspective, I think Kaladin saying out loud (or thinking out loud, to the reader) "I think I'll never swear the fourth oath" makes it much more likely that, later in this same book, he'll find a way to swear the fourth oath. ...for me, this chapter was more of a "phew, that wasn't as bad as it could have been" chapter. Because I can see how horrible Kaladin feels... ...but I was scared that he'd be benched after freezing and watching someone from Bridge 4 die because of it. So if Dalinar catches his issues in time to take him off the field before that, well, it sucks but it's better than the alternative.
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  7. As amusing as Kaladin being ambassador to the Azish would be, I think there's an assignment that plays directly into his arc, and in fact he is probably the best equipped of any character for: ... Ambassador to the Singers.
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  8. This chapter forced a (for me) new idea of the fourth ideal into my mind: "I will protect myself - so I can continue to protect others" And now...back to work.
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  9. The trailer for Denis Villeneuve's adaptation of Dune is here, and I must say, it looks phenomenal. Enjoy!
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  10. Chapter 10 hit me like I a storming boulder. I know how Kaladin feels, being told he can't serve anymore. Being lied to that his work will be just as important. Most of all I have the same fear as Kaladin, what if he never swears the next oath?
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  11. "May the force be...." Nerd: "....equal to the mass times acceleration." Geek: "....with you."
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  12. After wandering Nath's mind for a while, Queen realized something odd. She could sense some emotions, but they were all negative. Where was his happiness? Joy? Love? Trust? Peace? There was only fear, confusion, hatred, and weakness. This must be the problem. How do I retrieve emotions? Queen found a sort of irony in that, while a lack of emotion was the reason for Nath's problems, an overload of emotions was hers. In a flash of realization, Queen suddenly had her Plan A. If it didn't work, she'd find something else, but it was all she could think of. She needed to let out her feelings, while Nath needed more feelings. Perhaps there was a way to balance it out. She found the area in Nath's mind where the emotions were supposed to come from and settled in a comfortable position, both mentally and physically. She blocked herself off from all exterior senses, removing herself from her physical body, which stayed still, sat upon a rock near Nath. Queen first reached into her own mind, removing all walls, barriers, and protections, leaving herself completely exposed, and, as she wasn't really there physically, she would receive no notice if troubles came, but she trusted that Fadran would be able to communicate with her if necessary. Queen sorted through her thoughts and emotions, a jumbled mess of confusion. It was odd, when she was alone and broken after Journey's death, her emotions were so simple and easy to deal with, yet she was cracked and fractured. Now, she was as complete as she had ever been, but her feelings were so complex that she felt she never could identify what she was feeling. She found the darker, negative emotions and set them aside. Nath already had plenty of those, he didn't need hers, too. He didn't need to feel her embarrassment, pain, or sadness, so she tucked them into the corners of her own mind, though not without properly sorting through them first. Yes, she was focused on helping Nathrangking, but that didn't mean she wouldn't do what she could to help herself, as well. Embarrassment; she knew where that came from, but she realized that, not only was she embarrassed that Fadran saw her thoughts, she was embarrassed about the way she handled it. Pain was a bit harder to identify the source of; there were many instances she could think of that would leave her with this. She didn't have much physical pain, just the normal aches and bruises, so that wasn't it. Emotional pain on the other hand...that was something she had an abundance of. The majority of it was still from Journey's death, though there was also plenty from seeing the others suffer. That was why she had trained in medicine; she wanted to be able to help ease the pain she felt when seeing others in pain. A selfish reason, but at the same time, extraordinarily selfless. Her sadness was the hardest to find the source of. She was sad about Journey's death, about the pain of her friends, but she had already clearly sorted those into her pain category. With a jolt, she realized that the cause of her sadness was the fact that Fadran almost certainly knew her feelings for him, but she was still completely in the dark about him. When he spoke to her mentally most recently, he had said that she would always be his friend, but that didn't necessarily mean that that was all...right? Having sorted those emotions, she was ready to move on to the happier, yet more difficult, emotions. Yet another contradiction. Happiness, joy, love, peace, trust...where to begin? Might as well deal with the hardest one first, she thought, delving into the most contradicting emotion of all: Love. The source of pain, concern, and confusion, yet, without it, where would she be? Safe, yet bored. Alone. She couldn't do that again, and that outweighed the negative consequences of allowing oneself to love. Many people had earned her love throughout the course of her life; her parents, her little sister, Tchanta, Journey, and, of course, her friends in this group, including Fadran. Especially Fadran. Queen shook her head, trying to sort out her confusion. She still loved Journey; though he was gone, her feelings for him were not. They hadn't changed or diminished at all. So, how could she allow herself to love Fadran? Yes, she had loved others while she loved Journey before, but that was the love of friendship, family, and trust. Not...whatever this was. Could she even call it love? The same kind of love she had for Journey? Or was it still the same love as the others? Perhaps it was equivalent to the crushes she had had as a young girl. But...no. Her feelings for Fadran were much more than that, yet it was still so different from what she felt for Journey. Not lesser, just...different. Different from anything else, but it was still definitely love. Queen didn't feel like she had really figured out that emotion, but she was much closer than she had been before. She was easily able to sort through the rest of her positive emotions, but she still felt overwhelmed by them. Taking a deep breath, she somehow opened her mind up even more than before. Nath would have been able to faintly sense her before, but now she poured herself into his mind. All of her strong positive feelings flooded from her, sending her experiences of love, joy, and trust into Nath's emotion "chamber." With a jolt, Queen realized that this meant that Nath knew everything she felt. The oddest part was, she didn't care. She had unconsciously known that sharing her emotions with Nath would also mean sharing her private thoughts and opinions with him, and she was fine with it. She trusted Nath and knew that he would keep it to himself, that it could be their shared knowledge. Besides, it was the only way Queen knew to try to help him. The emotions bled back, in part, to Queen's own mind. They were simpler, more manageable, yet somehow still just as strong. Like...she had been carrying a large pile of rocks, then gave it to someone else, after which she had picked up just as many rocks, yet it was easier to carry, knowing that someone had the same amount as her to carry. Feeling better about both her own and Nath's futures, Queen returned to her physical self. She uncrossed her legs, leaned back, closing her eyes against the sun, and smiled a peaceful, joyful smile.
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  13. The Push/Pull thing was based on the bronze-pulsing. Pewter's pulses seem to beat against the Seeker burning, while Tin's seem to pull on the Seeker. Page 336 on my copy, where Marsh is training Vin in bronze:
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  14. Speaking of heroic story formulas, where is Hoid when you really need him? shouldn’t the universe tell him to head to Urithiru stat and ply some of his patented parabolic prose therapy at a perpetually petulant Protagonist? sorry for letting the alliteration run away with me.
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  15. So Luke is also a radiant now, not only a Jedi? Well, I guess this to resemble each other anyway. Lightsabers and shardblades act similarly - except for the fact ligghtsabers cut your body, not your soul.
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  16. We're only 10 chapters in Brando! Quit making me cry!!! But actually though. I did think that Kaladin needed to find some way to take a break but man is it hard to read it. I reallly do appreciate Dalinar in how he presented the situation to Kaladin, and he pulled him out before him possibly freezing and one of Bridge Four dying as a result. The "you're supposed to be better than the others" "why?" "because..." Because you care about your men." was as really powerful interaction.
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  17. I assume Syl+scalpel (like Sylspear)
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  18. Fadran enters Nathrangking's mind. It is ruined--broken. Like a battlefield, with weapons and flags strewn about, the wind picking up to pelter any unfortunate enough to remain alive with dust and smoke. Empty. "What happened to you, Nath?" Fadran asks, looking around Nathrangking's ruined mind. "What happened?" Fadran relives Nath's memories, finding whatever impressed upon Nath's Spirit to remanifest itself. For a time... Fadran became one with Nathrangking. "Winter... I told you that we were not done. Let her go. I am who you desire most." Nathrangking looks to Fox. "I told you I would be here for you, Fox." Fox gasped. "N...Nath?" "I told you, Fox... I am not going anywhere." He turns his attention to Winter and Autumn. "You must be of the darkness that has plagued Fox. Begone, your power is broken." Winter glared at Nathrangking. "Hm... I suppose I agree with this invader. But I advise all of you to leave as soon as possible. I'm looking forward to spilling some blood today." "I think I'll take you up on that..." The Fox tries to pull away from Winter's iron grip. "Let her leave Winter. Let them all leave. What can they give you that I cannot? I will stay if you let them go to the place of their choosing and you never do anything to them again." Nath turns back to Fox. "Fox when you go, leave your demons behind. I would have been here sooner, but I had demons of my own to exorcise. You alone can defeat them. You are a survivor. You have made it. You control your past it does not control you. It will whisper lies into your ears. It will tell you that you deserve to suffer and that you are weak. It promises to save you if you give in. It can say nothing else for you have survived it and moved beyond it. Desperation makes it speak these words. There is no other way for it to gain control. It took me until now to realize this." "Wait, Nath, no!" Fox protested. "No, you can't give yourself up. Not since... since Alice died... one demon or another has always been in control. There isn't much for me to live for any longer. No one loves me... and I don't love anyone! You're so powerful, and honorable--they need you!" Her voice shakes. "They don't need me." Nath takes a step closer to her, a well of emotion springing up. "I believed as you do now for eleven thousand years, Fox. I failed so many people--so many more than I helped. I ran from this demon... his shadow holding me in a suffocating embrace. I could never escape him. I would close my eyes, and there he was; accusing me. I sealed myself away so that I could escape him and never fail anyone ever again. It did not help. It made things so much worse. I thought that I deserved to suffer, and so I did. How could I ever move beyond this? Alone I could not." A tear fell onto the ground. "As I battled it in this place, I was not alone. You were there Fox. You were there, they were there... Even though my battle was doomed from the start, I fought and fought... and now I can live knowing that the demon exists, but has no more power over me. You are not alone. You are not unloved. You have them and you have me." There was silence, until Winter sighed. "Ah, I gave you all a chance, but apparently you don't value your lives." Winter turned to Fox. "Fox: take your knife. Kill him." Fox gasped, taking a step back away from Winter. "Wh...what?" "Kill the one who calls the wind. He is vulnerable; do it now! He tries to speak to you of love, but he himself has never truly felt it; that is why he deserves to die." Her conflict... Nath could feel it, vibrating through the Mindscapes. Could it be possible that, in such a short amount of time, she had actually come to care for him? Had he done something right, for once? The Fox's eyes flickered back and forth between Winter and Nath. "But... he came." She whispered, "Even if he has made himself vulnerable, he speaks from his heart. He risked himself to help me. He didn't abandon me, like... like everyone else..." Her eyes locked on to his. "He has given me strength." "Do it!" Winter yelled. "Make the choice, Fox, or I'll do it myself." "I... I don't know!" Fox protests, voice choked. "I'm so confused, and, and..." Nath had nothing to say. He only watched with as much love and devotion as he felt. If it was his time to die, then he would have it no other way than by the hand of a friend. Fox stepped towards Nathrangking. "Please forgive me," she whispered, "I'm... I'm so, so sorry, Nath." Nath closed his eyes, and a cry of pain resounded through the air. It wasn't his. Nathrangking opened his eyes in shock and surprise, then cried out as Fox collapsed onto herself. He caught her as she fell, blood seeping onto his fingers from the knife that she had rammed into her stomach. "Fox!" He yelled. "FOX!" "Why?" Winter asked, enraged. "Why, you idiot?" "Don't you dare!" Nathrangking says to Winter. "Don't you dare insult her!" Winter ignored Nathrangking. He was suddenly by Fox's side, removing the knife that still resided in her stomach. Fox cried out in pain; a sound that pulled at Nathrangking's soul and threatened to drive him mad. Fox looked up, laughing lightly. "You... you came back for me." "I did." Nath whispered, but at the same time, Winter spoke. "That's right, Fox. Now come, let's leave this demon before he can hurt you further." "Wait!" Nath cried. But they were already gone. Fadran found himself back in the empty expanse of what was once Nathrangking's vast and mighty Mindscape. There was more to be seen... but it would take time to find. I need to share this with someone. Fadran thinks to himself. Someone I can trust... and someone who can try to help Nath by knowing what happened to him. In other words, there was really only one person. Spirit Bond forged and connection put in place, Fadran began relaying what he had just seen--experienced--to Queen. @Scarletfox @DramaQueen
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  19. As someone with depression, oddly enough these preview chapters aren't hitting me as hard as previous Kaladin sections have. I guess it's all a matter of individual variances and life experiences. I read these chapters as being at the end of a depressive experience, where things are about to get better. The chapters that hit me the hardest are where Kal can feel himself slowly worsening and sinking into a depressive episode. WoK part 1, WoR when Syl was mostly dead, OB in Shadesmar are big examples. I guess from my perspective its more important where I feel the depressive cycle is moving rather than where it currently is.
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  20. Yay! Good for you! OMG guys I just got my cast off it’s been three weeks! Let’s goooooooooooo! Woohoo! Oh yeah!
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  21. It's basically like a videogame level. the people in the visions react realisitcally, for the most part, but there are limits, and the visions themselves will always try to raliroad him along to the point they want him to get and/or the thing they want him to see.
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  22. Let’s face is, Kaladin was a character written for greatness. He has depression, PTSD....but he does pull himself up to challenges and conquers them. He has many difficult struggles but those don’t solely define him. He is an amazing soldier and leader. He is extremely intelligent. Sanderson killed Jezrien for a reason and though Kaladin was dismissed from his position by Dalinar he will pull himself out and land somewhere far greater and more comfortable to him than high marshal. I think Patron of the windrunners would be a very fitting place for him.
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  23. I think that we feel like all Kal is doing is staying stagnant and that Shallan is being "Shallan" because this is the end of the transition time in the book, and we're really over-analyzing because we get ONE chapter a week! If we had the whole book, it would move much faster and the pace would work even better. So let's not get too wrapped up in that...how often do you ever read a book (let alone one that moves at a Sando pace!) one chapter a week? So deep breaths, all. :-) I also think that Syl and Kal might not be the best envoys to Lasting Integrity. They aren't exactly good diplomats--Kal is not good at playing that game. You saw him on the ship in Shadesmar with Notum. He was short tempered, demanding, and threatening. He's impatient and honorable to a fault...not exactly good at negotiating. ;-) and Syl has a...reputation. I also concur with some others that Kal probably needs more careful monitoring. He contemplated suicide when faced with Moash and the last trip to Shadesmar surely hasn't left him with positive memories. For me, I think it'll be interaction with Lirin. The same interactions he remembers as a boy, and then seeing how his father navigates the world so differently than he does, but with the clarity of adulthood and experience. I'm thinking that what leads to the 4th ideal might be an attack on Urithiru where his father sacrifices himself, tells Kal he's going to do it, and Kal has to let him go. That some people don't want to be protected, and you can't save them all. That, or it's a clash with Moash that attack and he has to fight his former best friend and acknowledge that he can't protect them all that way. Anyhow, just my speculation.
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  24. Kaladin's depression is really hard to read, but Brandon's also taking him in a different direction this book which is super interesting and refreshing... like, we've never had to see Kaladin in a position where he can... be relatively close to normalcy or outside of combat/war for a while. I think this will help his depression a lot! I've mentioned it before in the thread for the last chapter, but Kaladin's had unresolved issues since TWOK, and has clear issues about his self-worth (as in, he thinks being able to fight is the only thing he's got going for him. which... kal, no....) which he might be finally able to actually deal with, when he was just brushing them off or using objectives/his duties to ignore before. So... I know this is tough. His depression is emotionally draining for me too just because of how much I sympathize with and love Kaladin. But I really think this will be worth it in the end and that Brandon is writing him at the lowest we've seen Kaladin yet for a reason, and I don't think readers should give up yet.
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  25. Anyone in literally any Lift chapter:
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  26. I wonder if the Heavenly Ones' "duel-istic" approach to fighting the Windrunners will change once Leshwi realizes Kaladin is no longer coming to battle. She appears to be their leader in a similar way to Kaladin leading the Windrunners, and surely she knows about Kaladin's history and relationship to Moash/Vyre; what if she views the way they've been fighting as a kind of personal extension of a struggle with Kaladin, on multiple levels? And with no Kaladin... It becomes warfare as usual, where as Kaladin noted they are actually outnumbered as well as out-resourced for replacement time in an all-out Heavenly Ones vs. Windrunners type of scenario? Yes, and no. Remember he also berated and commanded Bridge Four back in the chasms to get over "Shen" being a parshman, and to accept him as a full and equal member. This is similar... Of course, giving commands "as your highmarshal" to a spren seemed a little odd, but it was based on Syl's suggestion that "honorspren respect rank and look to you for authority", so I guess that's what Kaladin sounds like on the rare occasion that he actually does pull rank. As far as spren being "commanded" to bond with a specific person not of their personal choice, we have seen that before with another order - Wyndle said several times early on how he wished "the Ring" hadn't matched him up with Lyft, who kept calling him a Voidbringer and all that. But ultimately it's surely up to the individual spren to do the actual bonding.
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  27. haha wherein the Windrunners discover lift and dismiss it as an inconvenience to their gravity negating powers.
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  28. From the album: House Kholin Zine

    The image decided to hate me so it's sideways (if I care enough I might go change it later) Edit: ok it's not letting me change it so suffer I guess Anyway children are hard to draw.
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  29. Anyone who's taken a foreign language class or watched the youtube channel Translator Fails will know that the online tool Google Translate is not reliable. However, it tends to produce humorous results depending on what languages you choose. So I made this. A place where we can put the translated editions of our favorite passages from Sanderson's works! I've started us off with the most famous and beautiful passage of all time:
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  30. From the album: House Kholin Zine

    Cover page, now with bad photo quality and extra glare!
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  31. From the album: House Kholin Zine

    Why hello there bad stapling job
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  32. Hello all, Been a fan of Brandon's for several years now, and finally decided to join the community here. I've been a long-time lurker on multiple subreddits. Read almost all of the Cosmere works (behind on White Sands), and love the theories and growing understanding of the universe Brandon created. Studied print media in a previous life, and I work as a lab tech now. Long time RPG player and GM, and have been working on a DnD Surgebinder class. Looking forward to chatting with ya
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  33. From the album: House Kholin Zine

    First actual page of the zine! I decided to write their full names instead of just their first names and that was not a smart choice.
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  34. Welcome! My favorite characters are probably kaladin and Raoden. If you haven’t already, I’d recommend you read the arcanum unbounded! It’s a collection of cosmere short stories, and it’s really good.
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  35. WHO DARES SUMMON ME!?!?!?? @Retrac?
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  36. Thanks for clarification. I still don't think it changes anything Kaladin held his own against 3 people of my reputation, and a standard shard bearer., before he got a shard of his own. And that was on top of holding himself back.
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  37. He would probably end up as Azir's new monarch anyway.
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  38. Fox, she had to... stay awake... for Nath.... Her eyes drifted shut, and Fox slumped to ground, unable to keep herself awake for any longer. Fox was with her brother again, they were under a bridge, and her brother was teaching her how to build a fire. "You see, sometimes, you want to dig a little groove in the dirt so that the sticks don't fall over when you're building the tepee." He commented as the Fox's whole masterpiece collapsed again. "Agh! Why can't we just light some sticks on fire!? Isn't that how fire works??" Her sister laughed softly. "Oh little fox, you make me laugh." The Fox smiled, her plan had worked. Her sister leaned over and began re-building the tepee. "The reason we need to build this before lighting the fire is because the bigger sticks won't catch unless the fire is a certain heat. That heat won't be reached immediately, it needs to be grown like a flower. First, we light the newspaper, once the fire is hot enough to catch on the little sticks, it does. Once the fire on the little sticks is hot enough to catch on the big sticks, it does, like this." She took out the match, and struck the fire. In a few minutes, there was a blazing fire going. "You, are a fire master." The Fox said, smiling and looking at her.... wait, hadn't she just seen her sister? She didn't have a sister! Fox must have been seeing things. Fox looked at her brother, smiling. Fox's vision changed. Now she and her brother were rushing through a dark alley, the cops must be right behind them. Fox was terrified. She ruined the whole darn operation by getting distracted by that cheesecake! Her brother was pulling her along, "Fox, in here." They dashed through a door into the kitchen of a fancy restaurant. One of the chefs came up and started gibbering to them in Spanish, but Fox and her brother ignored him. They ran for the walk in freezer, and dashed inside. As the door closed, they could hear someone locking the handle in place. Perfect. Now it would look like they were trapped to the outside. But the genius of the plan didn't matter to Fox, for tears wet her cheek as she thought back to the stupid thing she had done. "Don't worry about it, little fox." Her brother commented while pulling boxes off the shelf with ease but haste. "Everyone messes up sometimes. When you hit a bump on the road, you do not chop off your foot." He heaved the duffle on the now clear shelf. "You avoid the bump in the road the next time you come around. Don't put too much weight on a silly mistake." He said as he pushed the Fox up next onto the shelf. Jumping up beside her on the shelf, her brother began to fiddle with a strange indentation on the wall, before a little trapdoor opened up. He shoved the duffle through into the tunnel, and then Fox started to crawl through next while her brother filled the shelf back up with boxes to cover the door. "Plus," he called after her, "Look on the upside, we now have a one thousand dollar cheesecake. I wonder how it'll taste." The scene changed again, and Fox found herself sitting on a skyscraper with her brother, their legs hanging over the side. She was absolutely mortified by being up so high, but hopefully this would help her get over her fear. Her brother placed a hand on her shoulder, causing her to yelp. "You're scaring me!" "Don't worry, little fox, do you really think I'd push you over the edge? I'm just steadying you." Fox stared at the road and the cars below and gulped, before standing up, and scurrying away from the edge. Her brother looked back, and laughed. "Come now, little fox, it isn't all that bad." He stood and came to join Fox. He leaned down, and grabbed his water bottle, taking a swig. As he did that, Fox went over to their bags to grab their lunch. She was hungry. Her thoughts were interrupted by a roll of thunder above. She looked up to see dark clouds gathering. This reminded her of something... oh no. She started running back to her brother, although she wasn't moving at all. She was running, but it was if she were on a treadmill. "Brother run, it isn't safe!" Her brother cocked her head in confusion. "What do you mean?" But Nathrangking had already materialized behind him, and was advancing with his jeweled knife. There were two thumps. Fox knew what would follow. Nathrangking looked up to say, you can come out now little fox, but when his lips parted, something else came out. "Still hiding Rish? You didn't send another child to threaten me did you?" He whispered. "What?" Fox asked. "I'm not Rish." Nath paused for a moment, before continuing. "If you had killed me alone I would have accepted this knowing that your end would soon follow. However, you took her from me and for that you will suffer." Fox shivered. Nath had finally come to his senses, he was going to track her down and make her suffer. He stopped talking for a moment. "Is it? I know that the council does not know what you have done. Even if they never find out now that I have no intention of letting you go free. When I survive I am coming for you. There will be nowhere that you can hide. I will slay your progeny before your eyes. Your Mindscapes and realms will be burned to the ground. I will leave your temples as dust beneath my feet. Your worship will be forgotten. Then I shall decide whether I will do you the mercy of handing you over to them for judgement. Go now and tremble before what you have unleashed." Fox cocked her head. He seemed to be talking to someone else, not her, although his eyes were locked on to hers. He paused again. "You try and assure yourself that you are safe. You know what you cannot do Rishmaveta. Leave me and know this day that your end will come soon." Then, Nath vanished. Gone. Like always. Fox knew she should go and mourn her brother, but she was still a bit fazed by what had just happened. Were those words for her, or for someone else? He mentioned someone's name at the beginning, Rish? Well. At this point, Fox knew she was dreaming. Nath hadn't really killed her brother. He had told her so, at least, and Fox thought that she believed him. That last part though, what was it? It felt somehow more.... vivid than the other parts of this experience. Fox sighed, turned, and leapt off the building, before awakening with a jolt. She immediately jumped up and looked around to make sure no one had made any threatening stances, but no... She slid her knife into a pocket, before addressing the group, "I-I think I may have just had a vision about Nath." @DramaQueen @Channelknight Fadran @Condensation @Vapor
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  39. Hmm. I've seen a lot of this about "leadership" and I suppose, maybe? Maybe Kal's specific Windrunner path bends toward leadership, but are we saying that Windrunners in general are made to be leaders? I don't think that's what we know of the order. In fact, I'd argue that a more typical Windrunner arc would be toward command structure and teamwork, not necessary leadership. That isn't to say that it isn't Kal's personal journey. But I think he's a leader by circumstance, via inspiration at first, but now because he focuses on teamwork, and I'd maybe even argue the opposite here, that Kal has to learn to NOT be a leader, that it isn't a HIM story, it's about his team. He has to learn to trust others and let go. That others get to be in charge of their own protection sometimes, and his own desires to protect them don't supercede their own agency.
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  40. Brandon and downsize in the same sentence... cannot compute.
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  41. People keep pointing to Dalinar's reference to the God Beyond as evidence that he's becoming more cosmere aware, but I really don't think that's it. Wayne refers to the God Beyond and I don't think he's been talking to the Heralds. Same goes for the character who mentions it in Shadows for Silence (I can't remember who it was but I remember it happened). It's also worth noting that any extra connection to the Spiritual Realm would give no extra information about the God Beyond, as the "beyond" part means beyond the three realms, to the place where the dead go, where not even Shards can see. The God Beyond seems to be something that people on many different shardworlds developed independently, probably for the exact same reasons as Dalinar. Dalinar came to believe that Honor wasn't god because he was mortal and fallible, but that a god did exist beyond Honor.
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  42. The "death" is often metaphorical. An excellent example from recent pop culture is Peter's final scene in Spiderverse. In this Peter dies and is returned to life in the space of about 30 seconds. Another good example is in Rocky how he gets knocked down so badly at the beginning of the fight. Sometimes but not always. In Harry Potter the underworld is a place of answers and contemplation. In star wars the underworld is the second death star. In TLOTR it is MT doom. You get a lot of variation. That would be one interpretation although not my favorite. I think it might be more fitting to make Kaladin's underworld the normal world. A place of suffering and continued life. His struggle would be about understanding both.
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  43. What everyone needs to keep in mind is Lift is our only point of reference on Edgedancers. As Szeth has proven, the Oaths of Radiants are spectrum even within their own Order. There could be any number of factors we still don't know about. If we only took Szeth's Oath on justice. It wouldn't match the fanatical obsession with law that the other Skybreaker's exhibit as justice and law aren't necessarily the same. As far as if he's remembering Maya, I'd say yes. He chose not to name her because he believed she would already have a name and that was before he knew she was a spren.
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  44. Stormlight is definitely a possibility, mostly because of some single words ("bridgemen"), but then I don't know why they chose Skydancer (although I guess the word is not unfitting...). That said, Hansi Kürsch has recently released a Stormlight song called "Final Warning" with his side-project Demons & Wizards, so he could very well go on with Blind Guardian. He also called Stormlight "one of the two best books" he read "in the last 20 years" (which is insane, since he seems to be a major bookworm - but hey, I agree!), so there's a good chance. If it isn't Stormlight, I don't know. The "lionheart" line confuses me. The Blind Guardian song "Lionheart" is about the Odyssee. Stormlight has kind of a slow start, so you have to trust the author to deliver the pay-offs. If you're patient, you can start there, but in most cases, I recommend the Mistborn trilogy as an entrypoint. The books are also way shorter (still very long) and have more of a focus on action. I also recommend Warbreaker as a great stand-alone book - if you don't want to commit to a huge story. In general, it fits nicely between Mistborn and Stormlight, I think.
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  45. Stormlight spoilers to the end of Oathbringer I spent way to long on this
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  46. Syl in response to any of these: "Don't be salty." Kaladin: "Sodium reigns."
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  47. I actually really disagree. I think that he offers a very refreshing viewpoint, one which I mostly agree with. War is evil, and the world would be better off if no one engaged in it. Of course, that's idealistic. We need war to defend ourselves and our rights, but that does not mean that we should just accept war as a necessity of life. It is important to always remember that war is bad, to remember that we should be working against it. With Jasnah's extremist opinions about the war, that the only solution is to defeat the singers before they can destroy human society, the humans are in dire need of a voice encouraging peace. I think Lirin can be that voice.
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