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  1. Kaladin's potential romantic interests seem to be a much greater focus this time around. Bye bye shallan now we got Lyn? Kara?? and best of all Leshwi???????
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  2. I wonder if the epigraphs for one of the parts will be from jasnah's interview of the heralds
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  3. Preface, this is going to be long but it's important. I'm new to the forums and haven't had a chance to get to know people personally but I wanted to create this topic because I've seen some discussion surrounding Gavilar that I wasn't comfortable with. Rather than continuing in those threads I'm creating this to center the discussion of Gavilar and his treatment of those close to him here. If you feel like you are in an abusive relationship, Trust your gut, you can get support here: 1−800−799−7233 First I'm going to refer to some of the National Domestic Violence Hotline's criteria for abuse that I believe are relevant to the Prologue chapter: Just because someone does something that is on this list does not mean it is abuse. There can be a single instance of abuse or continued abuse. However, I think we can establish that the severity of a single action is what would make the action abusive, whereas continued actions from the list of criteria qualifies as abuse. Prologue: This is setting the reader up for what is coming. It's establishing that Navani isn't feeling like she belongs at Gavilar's side. BS notes that her anxieties/insecurities have gotten worse lately. In a healthy relationship she would be able to express this to her husband and he would be able to reassure her anxieties. This does not happen. This is number (2) from the segment above. He does not trust her. More evidence of lack of trust And more. Clearly this is a pattern, yeah? One time is circumstance, two times is coincidence, three times is a patter. Brandon is drilling this lack of trust from Gavilar into us. This is clearly (3) he has threatened her without resorting to physical abuse... yet. A glimpse into why she may deserve the abuse (spoiler, no one deserves the abuse, that's a sign of abuse). Number (7) he is accusing her of cheating, and is jealous of her relationship with Dalinar. No matter how founded it is. This is (4) he is humiliating her by twisting a once compassionate gesture into mockery. He is blaming her for the abuse (5) Wow, this is a lot all in one. He is calling her names, belittling her, and humiliating her for something she loves (1 and 4). Then he concludes with telling her that she isn't worthy of their relationship (8) This is the only quote I've pulled that I feel like is any stretch to call it abuse. But her internal monologue here "Don't let his lies become your truth. Fight it" Screams that he has been gaslighting her for an extended period of time. Here's what I find the most important part of the chapter, it's not evidence of actual abuse. It's showing how we normalize it. Our society and many of us normalize the behaviors I listed above. We say what Navani says that this was an "argument" and that they "bring out the worst in eachother". This is not the case, this is abuse, we need to recognize it for what it is, and not be afraid to call it that. We can have a whole long discussion about the justification or rationalization of what it is, but that just enables abusers. Allowing abusers to get away with these kinds of behaviors only protects them. We as a society need to do better by providing support for their victims and safe exits for them to leave their abuse. I'm not an professional in the field or anything close to an expert. Please, if you feel like there is abuse in your relationship, Trust your gut, reach out to someone -- You can reach out to me if you want. If you're looking for professional support you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline by calling 1−800−799−7233 If you are being abused or have been abused you need to know this. You do not deserve it, there is nothing that can make that true. No one deserves abuse.
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  4. I expect this will be the last week we get two chapters; we're only getting through Chapter 19, and one chapter a week from this point on will give us Chapter 19 on the 10th, a week before release. (Although we're about up at the SDCC reading, so it will fill like even less.) Thoughts on this week's chapters: "Forcing herself to stay in character, Veil gazed up with wonder and confusion, then shied back against the chasm wall, startling a cremling with dark purple colorings." Aimia watch, DefCon 3. "Mraize had explained about this group and their efforts to bring back the Heralds—who had actually never been gone. Gavilar had led them along, used their resources—and their hearts—to further his own goals. During that time, they’d briefly been important movers in the world." So Gavilar didn't come out of the Sons of Honor; he was much like Shallan and the Ghostbloods, using them for his own purposes somehow. I'm trying to keep this Sons of Honor plotline in perspective. Based on Part 1 being the climax of a "hypothetical" book whose contents cover the intervening year, I'm thinking that they really are going to be wrapped up pretty soon. But what about Restares? He's had his name thrown around a few times, and we've gotten zero payoff for that. Fifty honorspren as the hard cap. There's our hints towards the publisher's summary; not that honorspren are no longer willing, but that only a small group will, and now they need to convince the main body. This is still pretty substantial; the Recreance vision had, what, 200 Windrunners? The duels are another very big echo from Way of Kings Prime. "He hadn’t expected to find honor among the enemy." The singers were of Honor, originally. "They had trained for millennia with their powers, and they could fly forever without running out of Voidlight. They only drained it to heal, and—he’d heard—to perform the occasional rare Lashing." Very interesting. I'd been wondering if the Fused Surgebinding was a recent invention, but now it seems that they've had it as long as they've been Fused. When they find a new order of Fused (like in the previous chapters), it's not that the Fused discover a new power; it's just that the humans meet a new kind. (Which, looking back on it, can probably be inferred from Moash seeing nine kinds of Fused, but I wasn't sure that all nine kinds had Surgebinding yet, or if they were aligning themselves into groups more thematically in anticipation of discovering powers. But that seems pretty settled, at this point.) "More importantly, it was set with a gemstone at its base. If the weapon struck Kaladin, that gemstone would suck away Kaladin’s Stormlight and render him unable to heal—a potentially deadly tool against a Radiant, even one infused by Dalinar’s perpendicularity." Sounds a little bit like the fabrial epigraph we just got. "including Cord, who carried Amaram’s old Shardbow strapped to her back and wore the full set of Shardplate she’d found in Aimia." Wait, what? What did Rock do with Amaram's Plate, if that's not Cord's?
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  5. This line was hilarious and reminded me a lot of the secret organisation in Hot Fuzz (the greater good...)
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  6. Mancia stood before the door, alone, in the dim light of pre-dawn twilight. "I am faithful," she said solemnly. "The unfaithful are dead." Silence. She frowned. "Didn't you hear me? All the unfaithful are dead, I'm the only one alive, let me in!" The door stared back at her, still and silent. "Come on!" She banged on the door with the hilt of her knife, still wet with fresh blood. "Let me in!" She tried everything: prying the door open, cutting around the edges, trying to feel at and destroy the hinges... nothing worked. The door remained stubbornly closed. The sun rose to see a girl in tattered clothing, a knife by her side caked in dried blood, sitting against the great door to the temple. She looked exhausted, with dark bags under her eyes speaking of many sleepless nights. Scattered around the temple were bodies in various states of death and decay, their rotten stench filling the air for miles around. Vultures circled above the scene, spiraling slowly down towards the corpses. (Some eyed the girl, too, for she looked weak enough to be easy prey.) She ought to leave, Mancia knew. The door would not open, and there was nothing left here but death. But somehow, she couldn't quite muster up the strength to stagger back into the forest - let alone to go home, merciful Domi, what would she say? How could she go back to a normal life after this? And so she sat at the door, stuck in the lure of the temple. For what no one had noticed was how easy it had been to find this temple, for all the rumors of it being so ancient no one was sure it existed. No one noticed how even when the bloodshed started, not a single person ran, no one even thought to flee into the forest and the relative safety there. The temple would not open in the presence of the unfaithful, they knew that much. But nor would the unfaithful be allowed to leave and divulge the secret of this place. Its makers had made sure of it. So they killed each other, and died, and only Mancia was left. For now. Illwei died to the Korathi Inquisition and was a Cultist. Mist was Cultist-killed and was a Jeskeri Practitioner. The Korathi and the Jeskeri Practitioners have won! Well done, everyone! Post mortem will be up soon enough, but I'd love to hear your thoughts, too! From y'all's perspectives, how balanced did the game feel? Was it fun to play? Would you make any changes to it? Player List 1. Ashbringer - Korathi 2. Haelbarde - Jeskeri Cultist 3. Kasimir - Korathi 4. Devotary - Korathi 5. TJ Shade - Korathi 6. Silber - Jeskeri Cultist 7. Bard - Jeskeri Practitioner 8. Gears - Korathi 9. Straw - Korathi 10. Matrim - Korathi 11. Xino - Jeskeri Practitioner 12. Mist - Jeskeri Practitioner 13. Striker - Jeskeri Practitioner 14. Pyro - Korathi 15. Lotus - Jeskeri Practitioner 16. Drake - Jeskeri Practitioner 17. Vapor - Korathi 18. Mint - Korathi 19. Sart - Korathi 20. Illwei - Korathi Cultist 21. Elkanah - Jeskeri Cultist Ghosts, Ancient and New Jeskeri Secret Meeting Cultists Master Spreadsheet
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  7. This is major depressive disorder--the disrupted sleep, constant fatigue, withdrawal from loved ones, feeling of numbness (anhedonia), inappropriate guilt--which we know he's had since he was young. He keeps looking for an outside source of happiness but what he really needs (besides a therapist) is to come to terms with the fact that he can't save everyone.
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  8. So apparently we just talk to heralds now... take day trips to Ameia ohh time for a perpendicularity... so much given in 1 chapter. Kind of scares me, for how big the scope is getting so quickly!!
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  9. All of Bridge Four, Windrunners? Ash, giving away info? Dalinar, with an on-call Perpendicularity? We sure have been gone a while.
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  10. I've seen some considerable confusion surrounding the new information we have about the Heavenly ones: that they don't consume Voidlight during flight, but do use it to heal. Here's a couple of the comments about it in the Chapter 4&5 Discussion board: However, I think there's a much less convoluted explanation that draws on mechanics we've already seen. I already posted a short comment about this on the Chapters thread, but there's some more to break down so I'm deciding to make this a whole post. Basically, we know that Kaladin has the ability to retrieve stormlight from his lashings, but he doesn't seem to have tried this on lashings on himself. We've also heard that Voidbringers can hold stormlight perfectly (see edit note). This provides a very simple explanation: that when the Fused lash themselves, the lashing doesn't "leak" voidlight. When they change direction in flight, they can retrieve this voidlight and lash themselves in a different direction. They lose voidlight if they lash others unless they retrieve that voidlight, and also because other objects tend to leak. This might also explain how Leshwi outmaneuvers Kaladin, despite having a lower top speed. Kaladin just keeps stacking his lashings, which means that he doesn't stop accelerating in a direction he's lashed himself until that lashing runs out, even if he applies another lashing in a new direction. He's like a charging bull. Leshwi is removing her prior lashing with each change in direction, allowing her to make sharper turns. In the second comment I linked, @vegvisr brings up the fact that there must be a difference between the investure use of different surges. I agree. I'm dividing Surgebinding into two classes of powers: those which consume stormlight/voidlight immediately with immediate effects, and those which infuse light to apply a lasting effect. Healing/Progression, Elsecalling, and Soulcasting consume light while being used. This is why the teleporting Fused runs out of voidlight, and why the Heavenly Ones lose voidlight when they heal themselves. Illumination, Gravitation, Adhesion, and (probably) Abrasion infuse objects with investure and and the duration of the effect depends on how long the object can remain infused. Most objects leak stormlight, limiting the duration of the second type of surge, with the only exceptions being perfect gemstones and the Fused. Fused which use the first kind of surge are limited by their voidlight, since they lose some every time they use their power. Those of the second are not, since they don't leak voidlight and their lashings/illusions/slipperiness remain indefinitely, and they can recall this voidlight to be used differently. I think the reason why nobody suggested this explanation earlier is because Gravitation lashings feel like something which should be draining investure. Isn't investure consumed in order to continuously accelerate an object? It feels a bit unintuitive, but I'm pretty sure that the textual evidence points towards Gravitation being in the second class of surges. In short, I think this class of surges doesn't work by "powering" anything, but rather by changing the properties of an object. As long as the object is imbued with investure, its behavior is altered or "tricked." When something is lashed sideways, it only fall sideways—but no longer down toward the planet. The stormlight or voidlight isn't providing the acceleration here, but rather somehow tricking the object into thinking that a different direction is "down" and, in the case of multiple/partial lashings, changing the strength of the gravitational force. As for Adhesion, the object is being tricked so that it behaves as if a perfect vacuum is formed when it touches another object. Or something like that. It's a little unclear. Abrasion is tricking the object into behaving as if it is smooth. Illumination might be a bit different; it's not exactly applied to an object. Shallan describes it as if her illusions are made out of the stormlight. We also know that a perfectly cut gem will glow forever, as we see with the King's Drop. Providing light doesn't consume stormlight at all. Shallan might be merely shaping the stormlight into different colors and shapes, and also altering its brightness somehow. Anyway, even though I'm more confident in this explanation than I have been about any other theory I've ever made, I know there's still plenty of room for controversy. Please roast me to Braize if you think I'm getting stuff wrong. Edit: due to a WoB I found, just wanted to say Szeth's belief that voidbringers can hold stormlight perfectly is actually incorrect. They merely hold it longer than a human can. However, the same WoB states that different sources of investure will stick to objects differently (like Breaths v.s. stormlight), so it doesn't rule out the possibility that the Fused can hold voidlight perfectly. WoB spoilered for length:
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  11. I find this to be very interesting. The way I understand it, there is one last Windspren willing to bond, but can't do so. This seems to indicate that the potential Radiant chosen by this spren is the one unwilling (or unable) to bond. What seems most likely to me is that it's Rock. The fact that he is holding something back from Bridge Four, combined with the fact that he has to deal with tremendous gulit would probably make it hard for him to form a bond. Logic tells me Rock is the best choice (as far as we know right now). But I actually would want it to be Rlain. He has been teased all throughout Oathbringer as a potential Radiant but hat to be kept in the Background in order for Venli to shine. Now we could get to see a truly epic arc for him, hopefully including a meeting with Venli (maybe even a rescue mission to get her to Urithiru?). Considering that the Listeners and Singers are becoming more and more central as the story progresses, seeing more of them become Radiant sooner rather than later would be amazing.
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  12. Thumbs up for selling your enemies a fake illusion detector. Brilliant shenaniganry. Those stormlight draining weapons could be a game changer. Though, to be honest, my mind immediately went to whether a Mistborn could use one to get the edge over a radiant. The big question though is whether they can drain the stormlight from Plate...
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  13. Poor spren. That's like spiders being vacuumized.
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  14. Whaaa? Dawnshard Novella? Who has Amaram's old plate, another of Rock's kids maybe? I wonder why the Honorspren suddenly stopped bonding? It's not the Stormfather, he was against it from the start and yet Honorspren followed Syl's lead. My evidence-free theory is that one of the Heralds is in Lasting Integrity being a bad influence. Because he has Ishar's powers and Ishar came up with the Oathpact that bound the Fused in the first place? Or something else. Dalinar can create Honor's perpendicularity, so that's an extra reason to kill him. Weird that they only attack him when they have a huge advantage. He has no plate or blade, what can he do that they are so scared of? Kaladin, stop it.
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  15. Dalinar says a lot of awesome things at the end of Oathbringer, and it is safe to assume that at least of them is an Ideal. According to The Coppermind, Dalinar's Third Ideal is as follows. "I will take responsibility for what I had done. If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man." This made sense to me. Then the descriptions of the orders came out on Brandon's website. That got me thinking. Theory time: Bondsmiths are all about unity (or maybe Unity). However, the description does say that "this is a loose theme, as there are so few Bondsmiths—and the three sources of their powers are so different in personality—that the oaths can end up taking a variety of different shapes, depending on the situation." So it makes sense that the responsibility oath is something Dalinar would swear, it is attuned to his personal journey. But what caught my interest was the Dustbringer description, "Dustbringer oaths were themed toward responsibility. They were led to understand that the powers they used needed to be properly channeled, much as their own desires and wills needed proper form and shape." Take Dalinar's Third Ideal out of context. His words are an oath to take responsibility. He speaks to falling and becoming something better because of it. This sounds very Dustbringer to me. And this is Brandon we're dealing with. Literally every mention of the word "passion" in this books has some hidden meaning fans have yet to uncover. I find it hard to believe that Brandon would make this oath sound so similar to that of a Dustbringer without reason. Extrapolating like crazy, I have reached this conclusion about Bondsmiths. Here are the facts: 1.They were the leaders 2.There were three of them 3.They worked to resolve disputes A huge theme of the Stormlight Archive is that a leader learns through diversity of experiences. Nohadon's entire life was spent learning the ways of the people he led. Who do the Bondsmiths lead? The Radiants. What if Bondsmith Oaths are borrowed from the Orders of Radiants that they govern? That would be such an incredible way to ensure that the leaders were capable of understanding and resolving disputes. Here is how I propose bondsmith progression works. Ideal 1: Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination Ideal 2: Unity oath Ideals 3-5: Ideals containing themes from 3 different orders of Knight's Radiant. If there were three full Bondsmiths leading the radiants, and each of the three chose a different combination of 3 orders, that means that the Bondsmiths would, in a sense, be a part of all 9 other Orders. In addition, this diversity of Oaths and mentalities is what makes each Bondsmith so unique in abilities. Dustbringer fits Dalinar so well, and swearing that Oath allowed him to grow through a part of his life and understand the world more clearly. What Oaths are to come for him? Only time will tell. Or maybe time will only serve to disprove my theory.
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  16. If others haven't already guessed, allow me to call it here, or to rather say, I can imagine it now: The Fused harry and harass the Fourth Bridge as it travels first to Herdaz and then on to Urithiru. But there are too many Radiants and they give up. But somehow they find the paired fabrials in the Shattered plains and attack there, and mess everything up. The Fourth Bridge starts to fall . . . And then Bridge Four dives down, saves it, and carries it home on their shoulders!
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  18. Fixed well before you posted. I don't have very many thoughts on the game, I think, so I'll just get them out now (they're a bit unorganized, but whatever): I have no idea how balanced this game was. As several people have mentioned, the fact that it came down to three people is a good sign. To an extent, so is the fact that so many of the ties were important to the point of changing the gamestate - if they'd gone the other way any one of those times, the game could've been very different! I think the JP may have had a mild advantage (Illwei surviving two ties made it harder for them and they still won), and the Korathi a mild disadvantage - I failed to account for how well the Jeskeri would manipulate the main lynch and make it very hard for the Korathi to actually find and kill the people they wanted to, plus it was already difficult to tell between suspicious JP and suspicious Cultist activity. To be honest, I'm not sure how I'd have changed the numbers this game - ideally, I'd have just added a couple more players and had them be Korathi. I would also consider perhaps making the ties ala Joe's, i.e. all players in the tie die. I did consider giving the Jeskeri doc the ability to lynch anyone rather than just those in the doc. I wouldn't do so with this kind of distribution, as that'd just disadvantage the Korathi more and help out the JP. I also considered making win conditions mutually exclusive; I'm reasonably satisfied that not doing that was a fine choice. I'd love to hear from people in the Jeskeri doc what their thoughts on the voting style were - would it have been better to be explicit in-doc-at-the-time votes? No reveal of who voted on whom at all? I think it's interesting that the Cultist numbers were so predictable that the JP could be fairly confident when they'd found the last one in the doc. If I were to run this again, I might consider just making it a completely open setup ala MU, in which the exact distribution between alignments is publicly known. Or maybe not, I don't know. One last thing I'm curious about is PMs. PMs being closed would have made this a vastly different game, I think, and still an interesting one (though a bit sad for the Korathi) - I think if that particular change were made, I'd take out the Korathi Cultist. (Idea that I haven't fully thought through at all: what if the Jeskeri knew each others' identities but had no doc to discuss and had to rely as much on the main thread as the Korathi? What if they had no doc but could PM - but only one-on-one? I don't know!) Overall, I think this was a success, and it definitely deserves a rerun. I'd consider running it as a QF again, but I'd also like to see what would happen if I put it in a MR and added in a few simple roles to make things more interesting. So be on the look out for that, and thanks for such a fascinating game!
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  19. I'm calling it now: MAY ALADAR!!
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  20. So, the Sons of Honor have always been a bastardized version of Vorinism, which itself was a bastardized version of the real events, but under Ialai they seem to have become a bastardized version of themselves. Like, the original idea was to cause a Desolation to bring back the Heralds, which is vaguely adjacent to a thing that could happen. But now the Desolation is well underway, so they've been forced to get a lot vaguer about how the intend to bring back the Heralds. And although they talk about Radiants in general being a good thing, Ialai making them oppose Dalinar means that practice they have to work against the Radiants, so that had invent some story about Dalinar bonding a 'false spren', whatever the heck that means, in order to justify that. It really feels like Ialai's work to turn them into an anti-Dalinar conspiracy has brought them even further away from being anything real. And them not being used to being questioning as throughly as Shallan did despite being a fairly wackadoodle cult is not a good sign for the quality of their recruits. Plus there was that line about Shallan showing Passion, implying there's still some Odium influence in them.
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  21. Anyone else spot the Sleepless in the chasms beside Shallan?
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  22. Since I'm a sucker for using established powers in new and creative ways I was delighted to see Kaladin use that spear as a projectile. I am now expecting them to invent Gravitation powered ballistic spear cannons that can launch volleys of spears for long range combat. (Just don't stand behind the target in case they miss)
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  23. Cord went to Aimia?? Okay... wonder if that will be part of Wandersail? Seems likely, I´d say. I also wonder what happened to Restares. Both Shallan and Mraize seems to believe that Amaram was the leader of the Sons of Honor, and that Ialai has taken that position. Yet we know that Amaram reported to Restares, and we know that Mraize knows that too, since he refers to the SoH as "Restares cronies" in WoR. So, either he is keeping information from Shallan, or Restares has died somewhere between WoR and now. Also, Brandon is not really doing a good job of making Leshwi intimidating. She has died twice now, and the only thing she could do against Kaladin was fly away.
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  24. Things are getting interesting now. Who needs Shallan and her lightweaving when you have got an immortal crazed killer.
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  25. Ishar Herald of Luck, Taln Herald of War, now Chana Herald of the Common Man. Nice. And now we know both a basic principle of fabrialtech and a technique.
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  26. He that has eyes to see and ears to hear may convince himself that no mortal can keep a secret. If his lips are silent, he chatters with his fingertips; betrayal oozes out of him at every pore. There is no such thing as magic, just illusion. Things only change when we change them. But you have to do it skillfully, in secret. Then it seems like magic. Edited to add: Yes. He Is Evil A Satanist? Led By An Unknown Hand. We belong to the light. Illwei? Vapor?? Gears TJ Shade Frozen Mint Mist? Matrim Silberfarben – Araris? Lahilt Devotary Straw Ash Pyro Sart
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  27. I'm still holding out hope that Hauka, the guard in Yeddaw from Edgedancer, turns out to be one of the new Skybreakers not bound to Nale. I really liked her, and I'm sure she's got the stuff. Also all those weird allusions to her needing recharged spheres to read by makes me think she's already used Stormlight without knowing it. Even Nale was pretty suspicious of her. But yeah, I agree there should be some around.
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  28. @Channelknight Fadran just try this Edit: haha I realized this doesn't apply to your situation rip Also another relevant meme:
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  29. Thanks a lot! It's monday now and I don't have a single line - but I'll try to get something done till tomorrow. =========== Edit: and here you are @Ghanderflaffle @SirWolfe Thumbs up for finishing your roast before I even saw the tag the first time! Despite you being my opponent, I have to compliment you! I liked it a lot, the rhythm, the words, they fit Sigzil well. Great job!!
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  30. Basics: Factions: Metals: Order of Actions: Welcome to MR44! I am the GM for this game. @Devotary of Spontaneity is the IM. This ruleset was originally created by @Gamma Fiend. This ruleset was run as MR9. RP Background: You're a group of new members of the Steel Ministry. This game is set around a hundred years before the Mistborn books. Signups will end on August 12th at 1:00 PM EST. This will probably be the normal rollover time. The first day will go up 24 hours after signups end. Player List: Spectator List: Quick Links:
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  31. I think this is part of their old prehuman culture that they maintain in order to keep sane. Maintaining old rituals, beliefs, and hobbies are a recommended behaviors when working through long periods of isolation and or depression.
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  32. I don't think Jasnah would have resorted to "enhanced interrogation techniques". Or if she did they wouldn't be very useful. Jasnah: Time to turn up the heat. Ash and Taln turn to look at each other and explode into laughter
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  33. Out of nowhere my brain threw a scene of an immortal, incredibly powerful being walking up to some people to recruit them for help, then noticing they have a dog and lavishing SO MUCH ATTENTION on this pupper. “Ah yes world is ending or whatever blah bluh-so-cute who’s the best dog, you are, you are so fuzzy I love youuuu” *dog has rolled over to get belly rubs* *immortal being eagerly complies* *humans look at each other blankly as they receive exposition in a gooey voice with occasional breaks for the immortal to glance up and go slightly more serious before resuming scratching behind the dog’s ears* *dog is completely in love with this weird-smelling person* *humans have no idea what is happening* *immortal doesn’t care, the dog is clearly the most important priority*
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  34. There where 2,500 years after the Oathpact broke until the Splintering, and Nale was said to have accepted his order back when the Radiants where a big thing.
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  35. I think the Fused have perfect retrieval of voidlight and lashings. When Kaladin lashes something, he can retrieve some of the stormlight from it and cancel the lashing. Shallan does the same with her illusions. But we've never seen Kaladin try retrieve stormlight from a lashing on himself, have we? That's probably the trick here. I think that the Fused can fly forever because they can reuse the same amount of voidlight over and over, cancelling their lashings and retrieving all of the voidlight to be lashed in a different direction each time they change course during flight. Probably because they have gemhearts.
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  36. @The Young Pyromancer, I'd like to know how literally betraying me constitutes you "not exactly betray[ing] anyone" :P. anyways I had my message prepared to send to switch over to killing you and giving the JPs the sole win because I had a feeling this was going to happen, but if it didn't happen and i put my kill on you I wouldn't win either lol Alas I got caught up in LG68 Hm maybe I should have left Sart alive instead I had a lot of fun with this game though. EDIT: @Gears actually Pyro is the one who asked me to vote on him in the first place (after of course telling me that If I switched my vote to him he would in turn switch to me. I guess he ended up keeping his promise) and if I hadn't been panicking I would have realized that keeping it on Mist and the kill on Pyro would have been better, because it would have guaranteed me a win if Pyro also wanted to win
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  37. While in all seriousness, I doubt this will be the case... I'm putting my spheres on May Aladar, for the memes.
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  38. Three years after her much talked about debut in the Cosmere, she will finally gain relevance.
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  39. Brandon has said that surgebinders would find it near impossible to become savants due to the nature of the bond. Fused being essentially spren strikes me in a similar manner.
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  40. If Cord's plate is from Aimia, does that mean she goes with Rysn in the novella? Also, I looked up the word 'stumer'- the one Syl says Lift used, and it's an actual word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stumer
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  41. In terms of actual plot advancement not much happened here: Roshone set off with Godeke to the Manor Shallan's mission was a bust General combat with nothin particular achieved In terms of info-dumping this was massive: Cord got Shardplate from Aimia (what happened to Amaram's Plate?) 50 "Full Windrunners" and 250 squires Only 1 more HonorSpren willing to bond Jasnah has been interviewing Taln and Ash, and got a lot of info on the fused AND fabrials including that modern fabrials do stuff the Heralds have never seen Dalinar can summon a perpendicularity whenever he wants BUT it's exhausting Everyone's worried about Kaladin
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  42. I really liked the emphasis on the Heavenly Ones being pretty honorable too. How they have respect for the Radiants, fight them one on one. That moment when Kaladin spared the second Fused was really cool. A little disappointed we didnt get a Venli chapter this week, but there is so much going on that it makes sense.
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  43. This really gives me the (refreshing) feeling each SA arc will be a complete arc. The secrets has been progressively uncovered, and power levels are fasting scaling. I didn't expect a fight like that in the first SA arc, but I'm grateful that Sanderson is giving it to us. Waiting over 10 years for the second arc to see a "true" Desolation war would be really frustrating
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  44. Ooooh..that's a tough one. But. I think it's either Kaladin or Sazed. Sazed's arc had me ugly crying during my reread of Mistborn hahaha. Definitely the Rosharan magic system. I love the symmetry and the Orders and the Words and everything surrounding it. I could go on and on hahaha.
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  45. This is what I'm talking about. This is still a plausible possibility on the table, but I see a lot of people being quite decisive before we have all the pieces. He may very well turn out to just be awful. I'm perfectly ok with that possibility, but I'm not ok with jumping to conclusions Would you reject the notion that one could get that impression whether or not those specific words were used? Take this for example: I am extremely comfortable in saying things like that about an abuser, yeah. This is functionally equivalent. Given that words are merely windows to meaning, we need not use the same specific words to be reasonably perceived as pointing at the same meaning But it does leave room for mercy. I'm not trying to excuse wrongs, I'm trying to spare the human. Are people their actions? If Gavilar does something evil, is he evil? If you do something evil, are you evil? (And if the victim is the judge of what constitutes evil, could you ever make the argument with certainty that you aren't evil? And Navani herself wasn't even willing to summarize him as all bad.) And we haven't seen first hand that Gavilar wasn't being influenced. We do know that Gavilar was influenced by the Thrill as well. We also know that Sadeas was a bad influence on him, persuading him to be more brutal. That suggests that he needed persuading. We also know he became less brutal over time, and more interested in peace and stability. We have indeed been shown that Gavilar is not the paragon of virtue Dalinar seemed to think he was, but that was a pretty high standard, and in my eyes he has much farther that he needs to drop before he compares to the likes of Sadeas or Amaram. I'm going to give my last word on this, and then I'm not going to discuss it on this thread any more (it has been rightly pointed out that this isn't the place for it): I'm a Christian, of the same variety as Brandon Sanderson. Thats my disclaimer, so you can write off my biases if you see it that way. It really matters to me to be able to look at a character like Gavilar and regret and condemn his actions without sacrificing the human behind them. I need to give grace to Gavilar because I desperately need grace myself. And I'm terrified at drawing a line without knowing exactly who will be condemned by it, including future me. Bad actions are bad, we all agree on that, but we seem to apply fuzzy lines to how much bad means the person is bad and how much bad is "allowable". Rioters recently went out of their way to destroy local local businesses in protest. Thats definitely bad, maybe even deplorable. But are those people bad? They're certainly angry. I see a lot of defense of those people and their actions. I won't make a judgement call on them, I don't believe I'm qualified. A fictional character says things intended to hurt and belittle someone who needed their protection. Thats definitely bad. But its also par for the course for a great number of people who have been through messy divorces, some I'd even wager that some here might be personally acquainted with, and otherwise think well of. Furthermore, many would be quick even to defend someones hurtful words because they have chosen a side in the argument and they perceive the other person to have "shot first". (In this case Navani, and yet we don't even know what sort of "sharpest knives" shes pulled out on Gavilar, and we don't know for certain that she hasn't done so first on occasion). So where do we draw the line between not-bad-enough and bad-enough-actions? I won't say. I don't know; I'm fairly uncomfortable with the whole idea. I condemn hurtful words. I condemn abuse. I will shelter the abused from abusers whenever called upon to do so. But I won't finally condemn a person for using hurtful words when I don't know what hurtful words or actions were used against him, I don't know how much the actions of the other party may have hurt the person, I don't know if or what ulterior motives might exist, I don't know what sort of evil influences might be present in a world full of evil spren and angry gods, and where at least some pov's even on that same night offer contradictory evidence that weighs into the mix. I'm railing against certainty and finality, not against the evaluation that what he did was bad.
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  46. For the new Chapters:
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