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Greetings, friend. You may have noticed that many of the illustrations in the Stormlight Archives contain strange markings. I have determined that these markings are writing, and I have undertaken to decipher their messages. Crazy? Perhaps. But these markings are not simply decorative. They contain information about the Cosmere, hidden in plain sight. In The Way of Kings, we are introduced to the Alethi script. This is the writing system used by female scribes and scholars in Alethkar, understand? It shows up in the labels of Navani’s Notebook: Since the novel was first published in English, the labels were also “translated” into English, but Alethi letters were used to preserve the feel of the original diagrams. Each symbol stands for one letter – however Alethi has some letters that are not found in English (Th, Sh, Ch), and English has some letters that are not found in Alethi (C, Q, X, W). In Words of Radiance, we learn more about the languages of Roshar. Alethi script reappears, with greater variety. Navani’s Notebook again provides straightforward diagram labels directly transliterated from English into Alethi: (Translation credit goes to cris34b: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6418-navanis-notebook-page-406-translation/?hl=navani) Shallan’s sketchbook provides more cryptic text, friend. First spotted and translated by jcoop513, the text here is hidden, and is written phonetically so that each letter is an approximation of how it sounds when spoken aloud. Based on the context, this is most likely a page of Jasnah's notes that Shallan appropriated to use as sketchpaper. Note that the transliteration of Jasnah's writing is very different from that of Navani's. Read aloud, the passage would be thus: Translation efforts are ongoing at http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6619-shallans-drawing-page-354-alethi-script-translation-spoilers/. KalynaAnne traced over the partially-obscured letters by hand and was able to reconstruct several missing words: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation-glyph-key-revised-418/?p=233114 Alethi is not the only language spoken on Roshar. That would be crazy. The Map of the Southern Frostlands introduces us to the written language used in Thaylenah: As with Alethi script, the Thaylen in this illustration is simply transliterated English, and can be deciphered using the following key: Thaylen people are renown for smashing their consonants together when they speak, and this is reflected in their writing. Written Thaylen has no vowels and is written vertically, understand? Both the Alethi and Thaylen pages include numerals. Just as many different nations on Earth employ Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc.) is quite possible that all Vorin peoples (indeed perhaps most inhabitants of Roshar!) use the same numerals, even if their written languages differ. The numbers are written as follows: And now we come to glyphs, friend. Glyphs are written in syllables, with each syllable corresponding to a certain subcomponent of the glyph. Glyphs can be written three ways: a “standard” blocky form with syllables somewhat similar to Thaylen consonants, a “radial” form in which the glyph is warped to form a circular shape, and a “calligraphic” form in which the glyph can be warped into any shape. Often, the shape of a calligraphic glyph is reminiscent of the word it contains. Extra lines that do not represent syllables can be added to enhance the effect. For instance, a bookseller might advertise the name of his shop with a glyph shaped to resemble a book, understand? Many men in Alethkar are illiterate, relying on their wives or sisters to read documents to them aloud, but most can recognize certain important glyphs based on their shape alone. Alethi glyphs are not simply transliterations of English, but represent words in the Alethi language. The esteemed jofwu has compiled images of all known glyphs in another thread. Edit: The next bit is obsolete, as of Oathbringer. See p.519 for a key directly from the Calligrapher's Guild, courtesy of Nazh. My efforts to decipher the Alethi glyphs are ongoing, friend, but I present here what I speculate thus far: Please refer to the further pages in this thread for the latest developments in the 17th Shard's ongoing efforts to decipher these glyphs. Original first post, for posterity:

This took me a ridiculously long amount of time to make. YOU SHALL ENJOY MY PAIN Please enjoy.

I've been thinking for some time about the presentation of disability and chronic pain in Brandon's novels. I've been rereading a number of his books to refresh my memory on some of the details as well and I ended up with a lot of thoughts. I've written him a letter trying to provide some insight and I think it's a topic worth discussing here as well. Fair warning: it's kind of...long. But I think it needed to be to really unpack and explain what I wanted to talk about. Spoiler Warning: The letter includes direct spoilers for Mistborn, Stormlight, Elantris, Warbreaker and Reckoners. But other books are relevant to the topic as well. If you haven't read some of Brandon's books and are concerned about spoilers this is not a safe thread to read.

Second to last meme that I made on that fateful, boring day: You may find it funny, and you may not. I thought it was funny .

Hi everyone! Please introduce yourself to the forums and tell us about yourself here! But I wanted to make it known that this is a spoiler-free zone. If you have specific book questions, please post them in the respective book forum (such as Stormlight Archive or Mistborn). If you have an overall cosmere question, use the Cosmere Q&A forum.

I don't have any speculation on any of the Cosmere implications of his stories, but the "beauty of nature" is a joke. In the original story he told Shallan, he spoke of two men contemplating the nature of beauty. Now that he's stuck in the middle of the wilderness waiting for Jasnah, Hoid is left to instead contemplate the beauty of nature. He's just a little too pleased with his own sense of humor.

Knights off work - the story of Szeths luxury cruise around the Reisi Isles, sun bathing and pina colada.

Kiss of Wonder

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Been super swamped so will not be able to comment the way I would like to, but I figured I would jump on just long enough to add some context that I think is missing from this discussion. 1. Taravangian, the king himself has tried to stop these men on numerous occasions. He has spoken to the guards. Ordered them to catch these men. Unfortunately Taravangian (appearingly) does not have much power in his own city. The guards are bribed not to patrol. Whether it is from a weathy benefactor or not, remains to be seen, but one thing is certain, those men were never going to see justice legally. 2. The men surrounding Jasnah and Shallan had lethal intent. Shallan also confirmed they were no mere cut purses. The "prey" they hunted required the victims to be killed. They could not release affluent women unharmed especially when the men could be identified by the women. None of the men covered their faces. They knew if they were actually tried for their crimes, it would mean execution as per the law of the city. 3. Multiple killings have occurred there before. So these are career criminals 4. Jasnah did not kill those men to teach a lesson. Jasnah did it to help Taravangian who based on the knowledge she had on him at the time (a kindly peacemaker) she greatly respected. If anything she felt she was remiss to not use the powers of the soulcaster more to help people (her words). Shallan was ancillary. It would have taken place had Shallan existed or not. All of these points are quotable taken right from the book. Personally Jasnah does not have self defense because she went out and purposefully looked for those individuals with what amounts to a gun. However, in the circumstance she was in, given the world she is in, and given we do know what her motivations were (she said so herself), I think she was justified. But the earlier points I made were not to argue that. Please feel free to feel however you all wish. Just wanted to provide added context.

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I was bored one day, so I made a bunch of memes, which I am slowly (but surely) posting. Here’s another one:

Remember that aunt I keep talking about? The one who texts with me a lot? YKYASFW your crazy (but cool) aunt says this:

[See the end of this post for the June 23 updates.] To see this article in Spanish, you can see the translation here on cosmere.es. Some interesting things came out of Reddit today. User u/DataLoreHD did some sleuthing and discovered a few very interesting entries on Recorded Books, Inc., with some release dates. Firstly, The Original--the audio original story written with Mary Robinette Kowal--would be released September 14th 2020, and narrated by Julia Whelan. Then, interestingly, there's a Stephen Leeds story, in the Legion series! It's Stephen Leeds: Death & Faxes, to be released September 1st, 2021. Lastly, there are two Dark One things as well. One is Dark One: Prophetic Histories coming February 9th, 2021, and the other is Dark One: Forgotten, releasing May 5th, 2021. So this is clearly from the publisher of these audiobooks and are marked as "RB Exclusive". Brandon did recently say The Original would be out around August so I believe the September release date for that, but we've been burned by White Sand release dates before, so I'm not sure about those other dates. But, Brandon did comment in the thread about this, and said the Stephen Leeds: Death & Faxes is an official title. He wanted to get a Stephen Leeds show made but had difficulty with it, so this audiobook series would be like a pilot to a "television show", except it's a book. He'd be overseeing the project like a show runner but not necessarily writing the individual episodes. Brandon didn't comment on the Dark One things yet, but I suppose that seems like they'd be audio originals as well, to go with the multimedia nature of Dark One? On the recent livestream, Brandon said the Dark One stream which will be available to those who preorder it is apparently sometime this week (we don't know the day yet), so maybe we can learn more there. Mistborn Screenplay Changes In the last livestream, Brandon discussed the Mistborn screenplay he's working on (look about 37 minutes in). He said that Ham would now be a woman, which he's mentioned before as being a regret in Era 1. A new fact, though, is that Dockson would also be changed to a woman. Then he was thinking Mistborn would be a film, Well of Ascension would be a TV show where we can get more detail on the crew, and then Hero of Ages would be another film. Then, today, Brandon commented on a few more changes to Mistborn in its screenplay: I'm not sure who would really make two films with a TV show in between. That seems pretty optimistic. Brandon also commented that this Mistborn film would really be a sort of alternate version of the cosmere. I think that, at least, is a good decision. Adaptations will not be the same as the books, and I think they should definitely be tailored for the medium. There are of course good and bad ways to do it, but I like that Brandon is working on this screenplay. Of course, it's important to remember this is all hypothetical and no one is attached to actually make these films. Thanks @DataLoreHD and @Use the Falchion for their research which we used for this article. June 23 Updates It's been only a day and Brandon has revealed some additional details about all of this! First, a big change to how the magic works. In the Mistborn movie atium will be usable by all Allomancers, not just Mistborn and Seers! It's something Brandon says he wishes he'd done from the start. As he (and we) has gotten further in the cosmere, using a god metal - something both powerful and rare - just in the context of Mistborn "has felt off" to him. This likely means that we'll start seeing god metals be used around the cosmere in the (distant) future; in fact, Brandon says that atium (and its alloys) would be good at resisting Shardblades - though that's not a confirmation that we'll see it used there. This change allows him to tie some movie story arcs nicely. House Venture can now better serve its dual purpose of safeguarding the atium and controlling Luthadel, because its Allomancers can use the atium as a last resort during a rebellion. This gives Ham an additional reason to join the House guard - so she can keep an eye on Shan Elariel Venture, learn where the atium is, and steal it. Go read Brandon's post, it explains this far better than this short summary can. And, in other news, we now know a little more about those Dark One audio productions. The TV show is still happening, and the graphic novel is (obviously) also still happening. But in addition to those, Brandon is producing a couple of audio dramas. Prophetic Histories is an audio novelization of his DO outline, and Forgotten is "this wacky idea I had for a "Serial" style podcast, with a journalist tracking a killer, which ties into all of this."

It was some time before Darson returned from wherever he had taken Pyria, though the young loyalist was no longer with him. The remaining few allomancers and feruchemists were still in the main room, as Darson’s hazekillers were not letting them leave. Tensions were high, as they knew that one of them must be a loyalist. All eyes turned towards Darson as he entered the room, a hazekiller shutting the door behind him. There were six of them now. Lance Neverwatch, Lahilt, TJ Shade, Lumen, Faleast, and Reginald. One of them was a loyalist. And one of them was a Kandra. Darson had been sure to keep his hazekillers in pairs of two so the Kandra could not infiltrate their ranks. “Well, I’ve got good news and bad news,” Darson said with a smile that didn’t quite reach his eyes. “Fortunately, the young Pyria was able to be...persuaded into telling me that only one of you is a traitor. Unfortunately, she did not know the identity of her compatriot.” Darson watched as the six men and women before him avoided his eyes as he looked across them. All except for Lumen, the young woman who no one had been able to quite figure out during their extended stay here. Several moments seemed to pass, each one stretching on for what felt like minutes, the sweat beginning to bead on the foreheads of the people gathered in the room as they waited for Darson to speak again. Finally, Darson grew tired of their silence. “Fine,” he said, pointing to one of his hazekillers who moved towards Lahilt and grabbed him. “If you will not reveal yourself, I will simply kill each of you one by one.” The hazekiller brought a knife up to Lahilt’s throat, ready to cut his neck- “It’s me,” Lumen says, stepping away from the others. “I’m the loyalist.” The others all turned to stare at her. Darson smiled. “Thank you. Kill her.” The hazekillers all pulled their guns out to shoot her, but in the blink of an eye she was behind the hazekiller who had been holding Lahilt and shot the man in the back of the chest with his own gun. The metalborn scattered as several bullets from the hazekillers made their way through where Lumen had been just a moment ago. “Don’t let her escape!” Darson yelled. From his pocket, he pulled out a vial of steel flakes from his coat. Quickly, he popped the cork from the vial, swallowing it down, eyes peering around for Lumen, who’d flashed again and had a dagger up against the throat of another hazekiller. Darson fumbled at a coin, shot it off trying to aim at Lumen’s head, but too slow - a line of red appeared at the hazekillers throat as he collapsed and Lumen was nowhere to be seen. “She went this way!” called one of the others. Faleast rushed towards one of the corridors, and Darson followed, grabbing a few more boxings from his pocket. He looked down the corridor, and saw Lumen bolting down it, trying to find some exit. Darson smiled - even with her new abilities, there was no way he missed. Carefully, he judged the angle, feeling the coin in his hand, when he felt something go through his chest - he looked down, and saw long, silvery claws poking through his chest. He looked over at Faleast… only it wasn’t Faleast, not anymore. Slowly, Faleast’s face began to morph between faces Darson knew - Araris, Xino, Kynedath - though each one was slightly wrong, as if their features were being mixed and melded together. All of them were smiling at him. “It will be… good, to add another face to my collection,” the Kandra whispered, sliding between its many faces. Darson felt the silvery mass slowly spreading across him, over his chest, up onto his face. He tried to scream, but it entered his mouth, blocking off all sound. It swarmed over his nose, his eyes, until his entire face was covered. He couldn’t breathe, he could only feel the kandra’s slimy mass slowly… absorbing him. Darson’s lungs were fighting for air - desperately, he shot the remaining coins in his hand out through the Kandra, but if the Kandra even noticed the attack, it didn’t give a sign. His body convulsed, but gradually, his thrashing died down, as Darson faded into unconsciousness. There was a still silence for a few moments after Faleast and Darson followed Lumen down the corridor. There had been a few moments of chaos as the hazekillers’ bullets had grazed against some of the metalborn, but Reginald was fine. At least, he felt fine. He quickly checked his body for wounds, as maybe he had been hit and the adrenaline of the moment had made him not notice it. Thankfully there was no blood anywhere, so he was probably fine. Finally, after what felt like an eternity as the hazekillers tended to those who had remained in the main room, Darson returned alone from the corridor, his gun in his hand. “Lumen was waiting for us,” he said calmly. “She got Faleast, though I managed to shoot her before she could get away. Is everyone alright?” Since when has Darson ever cared about our wellbeing? Reginald thought to himself, watching the man carefully. He walked as if he were afraid, when normally even the way he walked would command the attention of the room. His eyes darted across the room, as if he were looking for ways out of the building. “We’re alright,” TJ said, slowly standing up. Lahilt and Lance had been injured, and TJ and the hazekillers were helping them. “You really got her? So this is all over?” Darson nodded, stopping a little bit away from TJ and talking to him, though Reginald was much closer to him. He studied the man, something in him telling him something was wrong. “Sorry to interrupt,” Reginald said, “but I’m curious why you appear unharmed, if you say Lumen attacked you and Faleast?” The room froze for a moment as everyone held their breath. Darson looked at Reginald for a moment before lunging at him, his hands turning to claws. Reginald leapt back, tapping pewter to gain some strength as the Kandra recovered and lunged at him again. The two struggled for just a moment, before a bullet tore through the Kandra. It quickly glanced around and saw the others rushing towards the two of them, then made a dash towards an exit, forgoing Darson’s bones as it squeezed its body through the cracks of a window. “Quickly!” Reginald said, heading back towards the corridor where the Kandra had come from. “Lumen is probably still alive! The Kandra must’ve taken its chance to try and escape during all this chaos.” The others followed him as he raced down the corridor, his eyes straining to find Lumen in the darkness. She must’ve shot out all the lights in the corridor as she’d gone through. The corridor led to a dead end. “There’s no windows,” Reginald said, “she has to be in one of these rooms. Carefully start opening each door.” They spent several minutes going through and opening every door in the corridor to no luck. Finally, they narrowed it down to one more room. They gathered around the door as Reginald carefully set his hand on the doorknob. He opened the door, bursting into the room. Lumen fired off a quick shot at him, but thankfully it hit the metal armor he had under his clothing. He stumbled backwards, hitting a hazekiller behind him as they entered the room. A coin flew from TJ’s hand towards Lumen, then suddenly veered over to the left once it got close to her. Reginald blinked and Lumen’s knife was in his side. He tapped pewter once again, grabbing onto Lumen before she could get away. She made to pull away, but Reginald would not let her go. The others froze in place as the two grappled, before Lumen kicked his knee and he fell to the ground, pulling her down with him. They rolled even farther away from the others, and for a moment they moved towards them before they once again froze in place. Reginald was pinned by Lumen, though she was struggling to maintain her control over him as she attempted to pull a knife out of her belt. Reginald managed to get a hand around her wrist and snapped it, the knife falling to the ground. He flipped her over, grabbing the knife as he did so, and quickly stabbed it into her chest. Lumen gasped up blood as she looked up at Reginald, the life fading from her eyes. “Long live,” she coughed up some more blood as her dying voice rasped out the words, “the old Elendel.” Reginald pushed the knife further into her chest and the last of her life faded from her eyes. The others began to move again, rushing towards him as he sat up. It was over. Finally, after a week of nothing but death and accusations and treachery, it was all over. The Game is Over! Congratulations to the PRE Operatives for winning the game! I'd also personally like to congratulate 2 players - @The Young Pyromancer, for convincing literally everyone in the game that you were a villager and compromising all their trust groups - that's really tricky to pull off, and if a few things had gone differently in the last 2 cycles, it could have won you the game. And secondly to @Ashbringer, who had an uphill battle after becoming Kandra much less than halfway through the game, and still managed to do really well, being one of the last 5 players to stay alive. Striker and I will probably post our respective GM Thoughts over the next few days. Docs and Links: Elim Doc Kandra Doc Spec/Dead Doc GM Spreadsheet (2 quick notes: 1 - Don't open this on your mobile, you might crash your phone. 2 - There are quite a few errors in here Striker and I couldn't be bothered fixing. To see peoples boxings each cycle, go to the boxings tab, not the main sheet, which is wrong.) Player List:

Here's my roast. Sorry that it's so late - it took much longer than I expected. Note: it contains a few spoilers for Mistborn Era 2 and SA.

Factions: Knights Radiant Mechanics: Knights Radiant Surges: Action Resolution and Information: Basics: Welcome to Long Game 67! This is a rerun of Long Game 13, so go check that out for an idea of how this game might work! There have been a few fairly minor changes, which are listed along with the clarifications in this document. Please let me know if you have any questions. RP Background: You're a group of refugees planning to make your way across the Shattered Plains, with the goal of getting to the Oathgate and teleporting to Urithiru. On the first day of the game, you will be departing the camps. The game will start a little over a week from now, on July 1st at 1:00 PM EST. 1:00 PM EST will probably be the normal rollover time. This game should not end up overlapping with QF45 or LG66. Player List: Spectator List: Quick Links:

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The heating that happens in orbital reentry isnt going to become a huge issue for Windrunners without really working at it, because they arent being allowed to accelerate in a vacuum where they can exceed the speed of sound as dramatically as space-ships can. The bulk of the heat generated during reentry is from shock layers that form when the capsule (which as it comes in is going roughly 25 times the speed of sound) slams into the atmosphere, along with actual physical contact (convective) friction. Both of those really only become an issue when the flying object in question is going supersonic. They are at their worst when the object is smooth and blunt (approaching spherical), but get better if the object has more shape and contour to it because that give the air molecules more time to move out of the way. At it's most basic the speed of sound is the speed of propagation through the fluid (ie air), it's the max speed at which the molecules will act like dominos and bump into each other, which is also how fast sound wave will propagate through it, and how fast air molecules are able to get out of the way of an object. When something is moving faster than the speed of sound, those molecules can get out of the way fast enough and start getting compressed in strange ways instead, which leads to a lot of the heat generation in reentry. Once the module slows down below that speed, the temp drops and they start using parachutes and more normal control surfaces to slow down further. The trick they have to worry about is to not slow down too fast (strange statement to make...) to keep it under 8-9 g's of deceleration, so they dont hurt the crew. You normally wont fall faster than the speed of sound, because the drag increases sharply as you get closer to it so you usually reach an equilibrium speed, and require some additional active force before you can shove your way into a supersonic state. It is possible to go supersonic briefly by falling within the atmosphere, exploiting the loophole that the speed of sound is altitude dependent, so if you reach terminal velocity up there and then dive you may briefly reach a speed that is higher than the Speed of Sound at the lower altitude. But it would be so brief that they wouldnt have time to build up heat and ignite anything, and the physical wind forces they'd face might be a bigger problem. It's an issue for spacecraft because they get to accelerate entirely free of a terminal velocity, so when they hit the atmosphere they are going over 17,500 mph (mach 25) and cannot decelerate any faster than about 200 mph per second (without squishing their crew) so they have to hang around slamming through the air at supersonic speeds for a long time.

A while ago I made my Pattern of Radiant ideals theory. It may have come from a WoB or just from me thinking about the meaning of the oaths in general but at any rate it inspired me to start my series on Radiant oaths which some people seemed to like(you can find them in the spoiler tab if interested). However when I asked for advice a lot of people told me that my pattern of oaths was the least well explained part of the theory. So I have decided to explain my reasoning behind it. I hope you enjoy. For the record I am not just imagining things. A pattern exists and is intentional. The first ideal of all 10 radiant orders is "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." This ideal has many different interpretations across both orders and individuals. However because it applies equally to all ten orders I did not need to do any speculation. This was not true for all of the second ideals. We have a number of second ideals. These include the Windrunners "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves." The Edgedancers "I will remember those who have been forgotten." The Bondsmiths "I will unite instead of divide. I will bring men together." And lastly the Skybreakers "I swear to seek justice, to let it guide me, until I find a more perfect Ideal.” These are not oaths from particularly similar orders. In personality, profession, ideology, and spren orientation(Cultivation or Honor) these are all very different. Still I find a commonality between them. They are all about service. "I will do X" although the for or why is not explicitly stated the lack of immediate rewards in the words indicates that selflessness is important here. At first I considered them just service to others however @Oltux72 pointed out that this presupposes utilitarianism and while this may be a popular form of ethics especially in the west it is far from the only one and no one can prove one to be more valid then any other. However they are still all about service. If not to another person then at least to an ideal. They are all about putting someone or something before yourself. This indicated a potential pattern across 9 of the ten orders(we Lightweavers are an odd bunch and don't exactly swear ideals) and it helped me make up several other potential ideals for order's whose words we don't know yet. Assuming then that second ideals share a central theme even if they are about different things then we can keep up this pattern for the next group of oaths oath three. We have less of these but I still am relatively confident of my conclusions. We have two alternate wordings from the Windrunners "I will protect even those I hate, so long as it is right." and "I will protect even those I hate, even if the one I hate most is myself." We have one from the Bondsmiths I will take responsibility for what I have done. If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man, one from the Edgedancers "I will listen to those who have been ignored," and the Skybreakers oath of dedication in which they choose a code to follow. The commonality between these oaths seems to be fairness or at least suspending your bias/judgement. An interesting quantity in many humans that I think Brandon has nailed in his writing is that people who tend to judge others too harshly may not hold themselves to reasonable standards but the inverse is also quite true. People who are more excepting of others tend to deal overly harshly with themselves. One of the anciant duties of all Radiants was to be "the light of all nations." I think this sort of explains why. Perhaps more then any other group of people on Roshar they were dedicated to looking outside themselves past bias, or personal preferences to see what was needed. The forth ideal is where things get kind of complicated. We know that Skybreakers swear an ideal of crusade and carry it out to achieve this one but we have never seen it happen on screen so it is not like we have a lot to go on here. However the thing that stuck out the most to me was that the Skybreaker does not know the ultimate result of the crusade until after they are completing it. I started to see it as a leap of faith. To this I added what we know about the forth ideal for the Windrunnerrs. Many people think that oath four involves letting go but with the exception of Kaladin I do not see this as a major problem with leaders. It also strikes me as rather negative and I think it feeds to much into the paradim that causes Kaladin so much agony during WoKs. "Overcome your guilt,Kaladin. Care, but not too much. Take responsibility, but don’t blame yourself.’ Protect, save, help—but know when to give up. They’re such precarious ledges to walk. How do I do it?” It also does not really seem to fit into Brandon's idea's of leadership which we know from Mistborn, Skyward, and White Sand Prose(spoilers for each respectively). As such I think that the 4th ideal will relate to trust and that the leap of faith will apply to all orders of radiants. This would also fit in well with Dalinar's arc(In WoKs Wit tells Dalinar that he has trouble letting go of power and we see time and again that Dalinar is not partially keen on people who are not members of his own family making important decisions). Part of his arc could involve Dalinar learning to put trust in the people his appoints to important positions. The 5th ideal was the hardest since we have basically nothing on it. The only thing we know at all is that the Skybreakers consider it next to impossible to swear it and that upon swearing it the Skybreaker "becomes law." The only possibility that really made any sense to me in this situations is an admittedly utilitarian one but keep with me. The utilitarian purpose of law is to allow humans to live together peaceably. No other animal can support social arrangements as complex because they did not create objective codes of laws that most if not all people can agree are important enough to follow even when they do not make immediate sense. As such I thought that at the 5th oath a Skybreaker would realize that it is acceptable to make moral judgements in the name of preserving peace or social unity even if it is not directly precedented in the formal law code. Assuming that this pattern remains constant. Then each other Radiant order will also have to do the same and the firth ideal will also be about the ultimate goal. Thanks for reading. Below are all my theories for specific radiant orders. RoW updated version here.

For Chaos Me: has read all cosmere books coppermind: You have missed 99.99% of things in the books spoiler for oathbringer

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Guys. You can use the letter "H" as a wildcard for Vorin keteks. KoH: Knights of Honor; Keepers of History HoW: Heroes of Wit; Honor of Winds

All very interesting, I really like @R J's Knot of Woes from the previous thread. If the in world book is by a Shin, which would make a lot of sense, it might be something more poetic. Kingdom of Windless Tremors Killing One Wounds Three (gets at the Shin's distaste for the martial arts, and also they seem to have a decidely Confucian, filial piety kind of mentality with their naming conventions, it would make sense to emphasize that you hurt not just the one you kill but their family too) Or Killing Only Wounds Thyself Kneel Only With Tears (I actually really like this one) Or this slight variation of the above Kneel Once Without Trembling Just going to throw out a couple of more of these out there. Keepers of Wordless Truths Kindred of Wind But there's also the fact that this is going to be the epic end of the first five book arc, so something that speaks to that is also quite likely like. Knights of Whispered Tradgedy ( a lot of the crew aren't going to make it to the back five) Kingdoms of Withering Terror (if Odium is ascendant) Kingdoms of Wounded Truths (poor dead eye spren) If all the conflict is resolved it might be Kindly Old Women Talking. If the focus is on the ecological disaster wrought by the misuse of surges and the wanton over harvesting of chasm field's gemhearts than it might be Kleenex Only Wastes Trees And just some silly ones: Kings Often Wipe Thoroughly Knights Out Whacking Things Kicking Out Witty Topaz (maybe Odium finally realizes Hoid is on Roshar) Kinda Oily Wet Toad

I have returned to my old haunt!! You know that you are a Sanderfan when you wish that you could use time dilation techniques to get to RoW already. You know that you are a Sanderfan when you crave destroying evil. You know that you are a Sanderfan when the highlight of your year is the WoK kickstarter. You know that you are a Sanderfan when you start to think of sharders as members of your extended family. You know that you are a Sanderfan when you are tired and you long for some stormlight. You know that you are a Sanderfan when you geek out over Brandon's use of the term Sanderlanche. You know that you are a Sanderfan when you think that the hemalurgic beaver should start it's own country @Toaster Retribution @Tesh!!

Kidnapping Old Women? Knocking on Wood? Killing Offensive Wizards? I got nothing.

Well, it didn’t just happen. I’ve sometimes not been on the shard for a few days though, so I know what it feels like. The meme is more-so metaphorical. Edit: Oathbringer spoiler:

Not King of Ways, King of Words... Killer of Worlds? I think that's a book name already. Kindness of Worth, Keeper of Woe, Kite of Wrath, Knowledge of Wisdom, Key of Whispers, Kitten of Wrong, Kayak of Wombats, Knot of Wreaths, ...???

Again my comments are meant to add context. See below: Again, the point of the exercise was not a lesson. Jasnah would have taken the action regardless whether Shallan entered her life or not (if the formatting is screwy, bold, or blue, it is because I am copying from my older thread "Jasnah More Than Meets the Eye" where I quote every instance regarding Jasnah to promote discussion) Jasnah leaned back, watching the city pass. “I did not do this just to prove a point, child. I have been feeling for some time that I took advantage of His Majesty’s hospitality. He doesn’t realize how much trouble he could face for allying himself with me. Besides, men like those …” There was something in her voice, an edge Shallan had never heard before. What was done to you? Shallan wondered with horror. And who did it? “Regardless,” Jasnah continued, “tonight’s actions came about because I chose this path, not because of anything I felt you needed to see. However, the opportunity also presented a chance for instruction, for questions. Am I a monster or am I a hero? Did I just slaughter four men, or did I stop four murderers from walking the streets? Does one deserve to have evil done to her by consequence of putting herself where evil can reach her? Did I have a right to defend myself? Or was I just looking for an excuse to end lives?” Jasnah was not concerned with witnesses because (list form because they are fun for me): 1. Shallan was a witness. Jasnah did not threaten, coerce, or take any action whatsoever to prevent Shallan from running straight to the authorities. 2. Like the murderers, Jasnah at no point made any effort to conceal her identity. She walked the length and was observed entering that location and that alley by multiple individuals (as per Shallan. I would post the quote, but then the list would become rather hard to read. If you like, I can add that later. Just ask). 3. She is the only individual not associated with the ardents with a soulcaster. A soulcaster she is open and notorious about owning and using. It would not take rocket science to link her to those individual's deaths. Although it is not conclusive, Jasnah presents a long list of information regarding the circumstances of those murderers, and also states that she feels she should be doing more with her soulcaster. So both of those combined, lends me to believe she researched the situation extensively before taking action (as we have seen her do so with Aesudean (I always screw up her name, the prior Queen), Shallan, Amaram, and so on). Once she was sure of everything she told Shallan, she took action. From her own lips, it appears this was the first, or among the earliest actions she has taken in this regard: “The city watch,” Jasnah said, “has done nothing. Taravangian has sent them several pointed reprimands, but the captain of the watch is cousin to a very influential lighteyes in the city, and Taravangian is not a terribly powerful king. Some suspect that there is more going on, that the footpads might be bribing the watch. The politics of it are irrelevant at the moment for, as you can see, no members of the watch are guarding the place, despite its reputation.” “If it helps you wrestle with your feelings, child, understand that I was trying to do good. I sometimes wonder if I should accomplish more with my Soulcaster.”

When you have the back of the mass market paperback version of tWoK memorized and you randomly spout it off just to annoy your friends. And to yourself because it sounds storming epic. When you've read the SA so many times that you can quote really obscure lines from it if someone says a few words that remind you of said really obscure lines. When you have the following thought. Do you know what makes me happy? Doomslug. Doomslug makes me happy.

plz sign me up as locke the tormented

Hello everyone! I am Keria but I call myself KAJ. It stands for Keria's Art Journey. I just found out about the forum site when browsing to see if there were any artbooks out there for the stormlight archive series! I have to say I really really really enjoy the series! I first came across the book as a freebie on Kindle some years back. It was the first book "The Way of Kings". Ever since then I've been hooked! After I finish up some projects I plan on doing a fan art project for the character's culture and races extensively. Going to be fun gaucho!

I'm genuinely intrigued by some of the changes made to Mistborn, It'll be weird that Shan isn't an Elariel, but honestly I can deal with that.

Kaladin offers Windy talks Killer of Wrongful Truthlessness Kitchen of Wyndle Tacos

YKYASF when you get are weeding your raspberries, and get scraped on your arm. Instead of thinking about it hurting, you think about the cool Hathsin scars that you will have if you do this for long enough.

Since soul stamps work better the more plausible the scenario is, I think it could be exploited by creating scenarios where several outcomes have a near equal probability. For example, you could turn an entire library into a single book like so: Give each book in the library a number. Use some uniformly random system to choose a number. Copy the entire contents of that book down into a new, blank book. Now, whenever you need a book from that library, create a soulstamp for the book you copied the information into. In this soulstamp, the only thing in the object's past that changed was the random number that was chosen in step 2. While we don't know much about the mechanics of soul stamps, such a small and plausible change should be a fairly straightforward soulstamp, and should take well. With the right tools, you now have portable access to an entire library!

I've actually been kind of hoping that Adolin will become the model for a new relationship between spren and human. Because the current relationship is obviously not great, especially for the spren. They connect to a human, and then if that human forsakes their oath, they die. We're even told that when that human dies, it's extremely traumatic for the spren. If Adolin could be the trailblazer for a new way of working with the spren, without the nahel bond, it could be very interesting.

in my experience, this is a very free community. i've been in several discussions touching on politics, some got pretty heated, but they were also civil and productive. in fact, this is the one forum where i feel safe enough discussing about heated topics. the mods closing an occasional thread every once in a while is not enough for me to revise this opinion. i would like to comment on the tone of the locked thread (which i missed, by the way), but i am afraid that would only result in moving the discussion to a new place, so i will refrain. Though frankly i am surprised that a statement against racism is needed, i mean, it would be like having to officially declare that water is wet, but then again, given events that happen, perhaps there is actually the need but just to reiterate: this forum is not censored, and it is very good place to discuss heated topics. i've been here for over 5 years, and i never found a reason to complain about the mods once.

Don't do it Brandon, they will find a way to ruin it. Anyway, I'm only half joking, but on a more serious note, I'm very skeptical. You'd think that someone who writes good books would also write good screenplays, but that's not necessarily the way it works. They're very different mediums and I'm not convinced that Brandon's way of writing translates well from one to the other. After all, adapting one of his fantasy epics to a Graphic Novel didn't work well either. I'm certainly not the one to question his work division decisions, but I'd rather have him work on something else.

So, given the new information I've been thinking a lot about the different orders and which I would be. When I took the test I got Skybreaker, but here's the problem. I think personal and/or religious morals are just as, if not more important than the actual rule of law. Don't get me won't, law is important and is what keeps society running, but if the law every contradicted my own personal/religious principles I would fight against it. Even now there after things that are legal that I disagree with. So, given all this, I was wondering how far the Skybreaker Oaths could be stretched. We see Szeth swearing to something outside of the law, so I wondered how far this could be stretched. I've come up with two possibilities that we haven't yet seen. 1. An ideology, such as libertarianism or Conservatism. Now, I think these are a possibility, but not a very strong one. Though these ideas can influence people's actions they seem to be a bit to fluid. Many people in this kind of ideology would argue over what to do. The ideology creates a framework, but not one strong enough to hold an external specs of morality for a Skybreaker. 2. A religion. Now, I want to preface this with a couple of things. I'm not here to argue for the truth or not of any religion, in just talking as something for a Skybreaker to follow. Also I know that some religions change over time or by whose in charge, but the same can be said for the law. Also I know that some religions have done terrible things, but again, so have some laws. Finally, I mostly know details about Christianity so if I say something that is inaccurate for a religion I'm sorry. Now, I think this one is much more likely. This leads to a couple of questions that would be very interesting. First, would they hold just the members of the religion accountable out would they try to force it in others? I think this would come down to the religion. If it was a religion that promoted it's spread at any cost there likely force everyone to hold to it. If it was a religion that have everyone the freedom to believe what they want I think they'd only hold the other members of the religion accountable. The second question is what if the religion believes in forgiveness? This would create a very interesting dilemma for the Skybreaker. On the one hand the person may have broken the roles in which case the Skybreaker would feel obligated to administer a punishment. On the other side, if there is the option for that person to repent they would feel bound to give them that choice. TLDR: Thoughts on a Skybreaker sweating to an ideology or religion

I'm going to do a full GM Thoughts™ post sometime in the next few days, but for now I just want to say congrats to the village for pulling off that win! And thank you so much everyone for playing! This was so much fun to run, even if it was so absolutely chaotic and messy. Also, please go show your love for Bard by upvoting the writeup. Without his help as my co-GM, this game would've failed miserably.

I'm 34, have until now read all things Mistborn, Elantris, Warbreaker, and everything published from the Stormlight Archives. In addition to reading Branderson, I am now reading The Kingkiller Chronicles for the first time, after having listened to both Writing Lectures and signing Q & A's with Brandon where he mentions Patrick Rothfuss. I also enjoy the Harry Potter book series, and Discworld. I'm a teacher, Whovian, Marvel-ling (that should be a term!), cat mom/slave, wanna-be writer, definite saxophonist, sometimes piano.olayer, and an avid fangirl of so many things, especially Europe (the band, not the continent, although I wouldn't want to live anywhere else)

Ah, @Nameless you apparently don't exsist.

Mwahahaha Knowledge of Wailing Tentacles, Keep of Worrisome Turtles, Kiln of Weaponized Terebinths. King of Wriggling Teetotalers. Knights of Whistling Tomatoes.

Heyo! I'm DqwertyC, and I'm new to the forums. Well, mostly... Apparently I created an account like a year ago when I finished Mistborn and then didn't do anything with it since then... I've read almost everything in the Cosmere, I'm just wrapping up White Sand right now. I've been somewhat active on the various Cosmere subreddits for the past year or so, and have read through several Coppermind articles and WoBs. I recently discovered the Shardcast and have enjoyed listening to the in depth analysis and crazy shenanigans that go on there. Outside of the Cosmere, I enjoy TTRPGs and video games, mostly leaning towards indie games and platformers. I work as a computer engineer, and work on Minecraft datapacks and whatever other code projects catch my attention in my free time.