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  1. 29 points
    So we've been talking in the Austre is Endowment thread, and we were talking about future sight. This is why I think various shards are "better" than other shards at seeing into the future. Now what's going on here when they look into the future? I think that Honor sums it up best: This theory is based heavily on three facts: 1. A Shardholder's interpretation of an Intent helps determine the effects on the Shardholder. 2. Cultivation is better at future sight than Honor is. (The end of Way of Kings) 3. Preservation seems to be better at future sight than Ruin is. (The prophecies) So, I'll dive right into it. The ability to see into the future is determined by a Shardholder's Intent. The more an Intent would look to the future, the better the Shardbearer would be at seeing the future. It makes sense that Honor isn't as good at future sight as Cultivation is. Honor, as an emotion, tends to look at what the honorable thing to do right now is, or remembering promises that were said before to try and keep them. Cultivation is all about helping you grow in the future. So it makes sense that she would be better at future sight than Honor. Although I don't think that this is so much because of what the Intent is, as it is the effect on the Shardholder's mind. So Cultivation isn't good at future sight because she's Cultivation- she's good at future sight because her mind is so shaped by Cultivation that it is easier to plan and see into the future. Does that make sense? In other words, If someone ascended as Cultivation, but deeply believed that Cultivation was about learning from your past, than that Cultivation wouldn't be as good at seeing into the future. This may explain why Preservation was so amazingly accurate with his prophecies, while Ruin managed to walk in seemingly blindly. It makes sense that Preservation would be very concerned with the long haul, while Ruin tends to be very passionate about the now, about what he can do now to destroy. That's not to say that Ruin doesn't plan- he does a magnificent job helping overthrow The Lord Ruler. But Ati seems to have become a being of passion, of lust after Ruin. Such people don't look into their future plans very often. Feel free to come up with more examples, or give me reasons why this doesn't work.
  2. 15 points
    I think the term "racist" is a little difficult in this case because it has - understandably - a very negative connotation. But there are different "levels" of racism of course. Hitler was racist. That's obvious. Washington and Jefferson were racist. They owned slaves and believed black people to be inferior - but they were at least very uncomfortable about it. Not nearly enough to justify slave ownership of course, but, still, they were rather harmless in comparison to Hitler. And finally there are the Jews in Nazi-Germany. When you are a Jew in the 1930s, you really dislike the Germans of course, for very understandable reasons. Technically that means they are racist - but because that term is very negative, saying "The Jews in Nazi-Germany were racist" is a statement that leaves a really bad taste in your mouth. In Kaladin's case, there definitely is a sort of prejudice, but whether it is racist or classist or neither is hard to tell. Generally, the lighteyes subjugate the darkeyes via economic and political means, they occupy all the priviliged and prestigious positions etc. Furthermore, Kaladin's prejudices are confirmed all the time - after all, Dalinar is the only one who appears to have some minimum of tolerance towards darkeyes. I think Kaladin definitely doesn't believe Lighteyes to be inferior in any way - he expects them to be amoral bastards, not to be stupid and inherently bad in any way. It's the old nature-vs-nurture-argument. Kaladin knows Lighteyes are raised with a sense of superiority, that they are accustomed to having power and that is why they act the way they do. His prejudice is a result of his experiences, so I don't think that he believes in an inherent untrustworthiness of Lighteyes since birth. He hates Lighteyes because they - like Laral and Roshone - think they are better than him and his fellow darkeyes. Is the hatred of a community due to an attitude or an ideology that has become the predominant worldview among members of that community synonymous with racism, if said community happens to be united by racial aspects? I am once again going to do the Nazi comparison here (the cheapest of all argumentative techniques, I know...). If, say, a Russian or a Polish during WW2 says: "The Germans want to take over Europe, they are evil", then that is - technically - a prejudice. "The Germans" were, after all, a very heterogeneous group, just barely similiar enough to be called "a people". Politically, they had been divided, and there were countless Germans who supported the Nazis due to economical reforms, their good immage, a desire for less conflict in domestic politics, their hard stance against the Versailles treaty et cetera. Almost no one saw the Holocaust or the attempt to conquer Europe coming - they should have, and, when it happened, they mostly went along with it. But there were a lot of Germans who didn't want the war or the mass executions. Saying "Germans want to conquer Europe/slaughter the Slavs and Jews/started the war, and therefore are evil" is wrong, because on an individual level, the majority of Germans were against those things. However, as a community, "the German People" if seen as a united entity, definitely did start the war and went through with the Holocaust. Many individuals in Germany were often against the war as individuals but not to the point where they would have actually shared their doubts or attempt to change things on a societal level. There's a thin, but existing, line between (correctly) saying "the Germans wanted the war" and (incorrectly and possibly racistically) saying: "All Germans wanted the war", just like there's a difference between saying "the Americans voted for Trump" and saying "Every American voted for Trump" or between "Children love clowns" and saying "All children love clowns". I would therefore not say that a dislike of a group, based on experiences, is racist, simply because some individuals are glossed over. Kaladin is prejudiced, but not racist as he, first of all, doesn't think of all lighteyes as inherently bad (see below) The Lighteyes have their own community. They share morals, values and social conventions that make them an own separate part of the society of Roshar. Even if individual members of the Lighteyes-caste are against the prejudice against darkeyes, the predominant belief of most lighteyes is, that they are superior to them. Kaladin is against the Lighteyes, because this group as a whole is almost unanimously keeping up the caste system and the oppression of the darkeyes. If you asked Dalinar what the perfect society would be like, he might answer that he would abandon the caste system maybe, but currently he sees it as an issue that is just not that important. If you asked them about darkeye-lighteye-equality, some lighteyes, like Dalinar, wouldn't say: "Darkeyes equals? Never!" nor would he say "We have to immediately destroy the caste hierarchy!". Instead their answer would be something like: "I guess it's something that's maybe a bit unfair. Sometime, someone should probably change it a little." The classism and that kind of ignorance from its non-racist members are why the lighteye-community as a whole, if you want to see it as one single entity, is still opressing the darkeyes' equality. So the lighteyes are a community, united by racial traits, in which there is a dominant belief that they are superior to darkeyes and more worthy of political and economical power; in short, they are racist. They either have, or tolerate, a racist and classist ideology. Racism is defined as a hatred of a person or a group that is not based on their personality, but on their ethnicity. Kaladin does not hate the lighteyes because of their ethnicity, but because of the lighteyes' belief that they are better than darkeyes. That is an ideology that is wide-spread across the lighteyes and, in fact, supported either directly (ew, darkeyes, how gross) or indirectly (now is not the time to discuss equality) by every lighteyes we have ever seen. And ideology and personality are closely intertwined (if somebody tells you he's a nazi, for example, you probably have a pretty good idea of what his personality is like). Therefore you could say that Kaladin indirectly judges Lighteyes by their personality, their attitudes and ignorance in particular - attitudes which are rooted in the lighteye's upbringing and their culture. He is possibly prejudiced when he immediately assumes that every lighteyes he meets shares their caste's sense of superiority - but, once again, so far, he has been almost always correct. Furthermore, while Kaladin says that all lighteyes automatically have that kind of attitude, he is able to recognise that he's wrong. Dalinar, Adolin, Shallan and possibly even Elhokar were able to prove him wrong. Really dedicated racists cannot be proven wrong. A White Supremacist will go on claiming that black people are inherently less intelligent. When you show him a black person with a PhD he will not even say: "Well, I guess there are exceptions" (- which of course still wouldn't be much better). He will instead go on to keep making his claims and ignore all evidence that he's wrong. Kaladin clearly isn't like that.
  3. 11 points
  4. 9 points
    Oh the contrary, Kaladin's opinion is similar to marginalized groups irl, and him being on the marginalized side of his society, Kaladin is not racist or classist. He has no structural power to enforce against the people higher than him. If a lighteyes doesn't like Kaladin, they can use the caste system against Kaladin to punish him, especially more than they would be able to against a fellow lighteyes. When Kaladin doesn't like a lighteyes, they punish him. He loses in both scenarios. Acting as though Kaladin hurting a lighteyed person's feelings is in any way equivalent to a lighteyes also hurting his feelings, disregarding his life, enslaving him, pressing a red hot brand to his face, being on the bridge crews... Kaladin wasn't born or raised with this opinion of lighteyes, either, it wasn't a product of society. Kaladin is prejudiced and getting over it, but it was multiple repeated circumstances of extending his trust and having it thrown in his face that got him there. It stems from actual mistreatment, that he had no recourse against, and mistreatment that was legal and considered the right of the lighteyes who did it. I consider systemic racism the most accurate definition, and some people say racism when they mean prejudice. The worst thing he can do, if following the rules of the caste system, is hurt someone's feelings, and he could be punished for even that much. Kaladin is not racist. He experiences resentment and anger at a group of people he's repeatedly had abuse and hurt him, personally, people he thought he could trust and believe in. His feelings are entirely legitimate and he's suspicious of the lighteyes he meets, but it hasn't stopped him from realizing that people like the Kholins are still worthwhile, and given his circumstances and life story, the fact that he takes a while to trust them is completely reasonable.
  5. 9 points
    I think we are using the wrong term here. I believe Kaladin is less racist then classist. He doesn't necessarily have a problem with people's eye come so much as their status. This is why he accepts the "tenners" so easily. They are near his same class and so he doesn't have a problem with them. The reason it seems like racism is because he's always saying "light eyes." The thing is, the alethi don't have a term for nobility. This is down in Kaladin and Teft's inability to understand how the horn eaters government works. I think a better analogy for the situation on Roshar would be the nobility and peasants of medieval Europe. Kaladin has a problem with those who are in power, not those with light eyes. The problem is that in Roshar those things entertwine so much that it is hard, even for people on Roshar, to distinguish between the two. Basically, Kaladin hates people in power, but since all the people in power are light eyes, he transfers that anger towards them. Here's another reason why I don't think he's racist. He tries to take Shen in and treat him equally. Now, I know he doesn't always do the best at fulfilling that ideal, but he tries harder then anyone else we see in the book to work with and even treat equally a parshman.
  6. 9 points
    Indeed. But we do not mention this here. Brandon is protected by plot armor, you see?
  7. 9 points
    Today’s prompt is: 23. Power For this prompt I was considering something beautiful, thought-provoking, maybe even introspective, and then I remembered this. Ask and ye shall receive
  8. 9 points
    Today’s prompt is: 21. Growth Who says growth has to be good . A never-before seen sneak peek into abomination creation:
  9. 9 points
    Rarely, but yes. Which is more than he does now, anyway. Yesterday’s prompt was: 19. New So, I rushed a bit when I realised I was late on this one Here is a slice of AlleyCity after the renovations and rebuilding effort following the Seven Day War: Today’s prompt is: 20. Bureau of Villainry Everybody’s favourite villains! From left to right, Lena, The Haunt, Vesuvius, and Bellatrix
  10. 9 points
    Great drawings, Silva! I do like how you did Dawn the person instead of the time of day I agree with this statement. And without further ado, this brings us to the next prompt! Today’s prompt is: 17. Old I just had to do Lusk for this, he fits the prompt too well. But I also wanted to show his power, and all of his different ages, how he’s grown up to be so old etc. Hopefully this captures his life (and his grumpiness ).
  11. 8 points
    As a person of color living in the US, I tend to bow out on conversations like these because it's a very emotionally charged subject. That being said, I personally believe that any group can be racist towards any other group. Racism can be found to a greater or lesser degree among nearly all people. However if one belongs to the dominant group then they are both in the position to deny the groups they find lesser opportunities to be better and less effected by the opinions of those not in power. I can have a negative opinion about Warren Buffett because of his race; it might hurt his feelings. If he happened to hate black people he has the potential to set my prospects and my family's prospects back for generations.
  12. 8 points
    From the illustration right before chapter 15 of the Dragonsteel Edition. is this supposed to be hoid?
  13. 8 points
    Today’s prompt is: 22. Sacrifice Rashan sacrificing himself to save Max and Mara. Finally, we’ve gotten to the one where I can focus purely on the grand abomination that is the Phoenix
  14. 7 points
    EDIT: only after I hit the "post" button did I realize what a novella I managed to put together over a few days on this subject. So in the interest of TLDR (you can read the details below if you want): Luesh is the source of all the info Shallan and her brothers had about where the Soulcaster came from, and that it was now broken. Luesh was involved in coming up with the idea of Shallan seeking out Jasnah. Kabsal's plan to kill Jasnah in Kharbranth would only ever work if a trusted person, like her ward, provided plausible food access to Jasnah. Jasnah pointed out how even a successful theft of a genuine Kholin Soulcaster would have been an act of war against Alethkar itself (an insane risk). Ergo, the GBs via Luesh set up that whole chain of events. But, Luesh having a Ghostblood pendant instead of a tattoo is suspicious So is his conveniently dying in his sleep soon after Shallan departed Heleran being a Skybreaker with dead Shards never smelled right Amaram seemed pretty confident Heleran had been sent by Thaidakar and the GBs Pattern said there were lies Mraize's letter saying Heleran was a Skybreaker Therefore, I submit: Heleran was a GB, who recruited him as a member to gain access to the Davar household, where an Unmade was observed. Someone else in the Davar household (after Helaran's last appearance there) was a GB plant, in addition to Luesh, who was a BG wanna-be like Tyn acting on orders from a shadow Ghostblood in command. The "broken Soulcaster" was planted on Lin Davar for later discovery; the actual Soulcasting (which obviously had occurred) was done by another person with another Soulcaster (too much of a reach to speculate that it was done by a "native born" Surgebinder just yet). I think signs point to one of Shallan's other brothers as being that Davar Ghostblood Behind The Scenes... And of the three, only Wikim seems like a fit. And hey. Just who is Thaidakar anyway? Could it be Wikim Davar?! Nbody would be surprised if he could actually read/write on his own, right? ---- I know the theory that The Davar Soulcaster was a fake all along!! is a longstanding one (I found at least one thread on this dating back to 2012), but rather than revive that zombie thread, I thought I'd add a few thoughts along those lines with a new one. When Shallan first glimpses Jasnah's Soulcaster in TWoK Ch. 5, she thinks to herself that it looked just like the "broken" one they'd found in her father's coat pocket, that even after they'd had a jeweler repair it "no longer worked" - it was "damaged on the same disastrous evening that her father had died", implying it was the very coat he was wearing when he died. That would be the night he was poisoned and then strangled to death by Shallan with her necklace. Seems odd that that would damage a Soulcaster in his coat pocket, doesn't it? It's not like he was stabbed through the coat in a way so as to pierce the fabrial (Balat never came close to stabbing him with his sword), if indeed such an act would be enough to destroy a Soulcaster's function. It's implied that their house steward, Luesh, was the Ghostblood liaison - he arrived to their household shortly before their burst of fortune, was the actual Soulcaster (the one "trained to use the device"), who (claimed) it no longer functioned after the jeweler "repaired" it, and who "died in his sleep" after Shallan had left to try to steal Jasnah's Soulcaster. Only after Luesh passed away did "men claiming to be friends of our father" start visiting the Davar household and who knew he was dead, intimidating her brothers by "implying" they knew about the Soulcaster and "suggested strongly" that it be returned to them, where one of the men visibly bore the same symbol tattooed on his hand as found as a pendant on Luesh's body. On first reading TWoK, the bit about Luesh carrying the GB symbol as a pendant didn't seem particularly signficant, but after two more books, it does. When Mraize "welcomes" Shallan to the Ghostbloods, he notes that "you are required to get a specific tattoo, a symbol of your loyalty. I will send a drawing. You may add it to your person wherever you wish, but must prove it to me when we next meet." A tattoo that the visitor to House Davar bore on the back of his hand, and that Kabsal was found to have "on the inside of his arm". Shallan hasn't done this yet that we know of, but that's a separate topic; the point is that Luesh having it as a pendant (and not a permanent tattoo) doesn't quite jibe with him being a Ghostblood. So what pieces of a puzzle can we try to assemble here? Let's line up the known or implied events in chronological order: After Shallan's mother's death, her father Lin Davar grew increasingly cold, harsh, and violent, with red-gleaming eyes - which a WoB confirms was because he was affected by Odium, and her family influenced by an Unmade during her childhood. Helaran, the exiled "Nan" (eldest son), returns to House Davar to threaten his father with a Shardblade, demanding justice of him for his slain mother. Some time after this, Luesh arrives to join House Davar as the steward. House Davar starts discovering valuable new marble deposits suspiciously easily, when Lin Davar, Luesh, and a surveyor go out looking for them. Lin Davar boasts that their newfound riches will position him to claim the title of highprince, rejecting Balat's request to marry Eylita as "too lowly", and killing his axehound pups when he defies him. When he discovers his second wife Malise has been helping Balat with plans to run away with Eylita, Lin Davar kills her and contemptuously repels Balat's ineffective assault, shattering Balat's legs with a fireplace poker in a frenzy, upon which Shallan poisons him with blackbane tea and then strangles him with a necklace that he'd gifted to her. After Lin Davar is dead, they discover the Soulcaster in an inner pocket of his coat. They confer with Luesh, the trusted steward, what is to be done... Luesh admits to being the Soulcaster (person who used the device) in service to Lin Davar, but says it is damaged, and even after a jeweler repairs it (there must have been visibly broken links or gemstone settings), says he cannot get it to work. Luesh says dangerous people provided the Soulcaster, who will want it back. (Who else would have told them that?) Luesh is in on the decision to pretend Lin Davar was ill or in seclusion, while Shallan went to try to steal Jasnah's Soulcaster to replace it. As Jasnah points out at the end of TWoK this is a kind of insane idea from the get-go, since Jasnah's Soulcaster (if it had been real) would be a treasure of the royal family of Alethkar, and obviously absconding with it would be an act of war Shallan departs in her port-to-port pursuit of Jasnah, settling on Kharbranth as a likely destination for her. Somewhere around this time, in 1172, Helaran appears not just with a Shardblade but also Shardplate, to attempt to kill Amaram. After Kaladin kills him, when Amaram kills all the other survivors from his squad to steal the Shards, Amaram comments to an unnamed attendant, "why would Thaidakar risk this? But who else would it be? The Ghostbloods grow bold..." Luesh dies "in his sleep" soon after Shallan leaves, and a pendant with the Ghostbloods' symbol is found on his body. Some Ghostbloods start visiting the Davar household, clearly knowing Lin Davar is actually dead, and implying they expect their Soulcaster back "or else". Kabsal is a Ghostblood posing as an ardent at the Palaneum when Shallan arrives to Kharbranth to petition Jasnah in person. Kabsal meets Shallan while she is leaving a letter for Jasnah at her alcove in the Palaneum, asking her to reconsider her recent rejection. Kabsal gets friendly with Shallan over the next few months after she becomes Jasnah's ward, bringing fresh bread and jam to share with her. Kabsal dies while trying to kill Jasnah with "backbreaker powder" on the bread while providing himself and Shallan with the antidote in the jam. The Ghostbloods are likely to have known Jasnah was a Surgebinder. Certainly Taravangian having Jasnah Soulcast in his presence (where he could observe how she did it), under the likely pretense of his granddaughter being trapped behind a boulder, implies he, as the head of the Diagram, knew/suspected her nature and wanted to confirm it; so it is very reasonable to think the GBs would have as well, given that Mraize said she had "asssassinated a number of our members" by then. The Ghostbloods seem to have been able to plan ahead to use Shallan's possible role as Jasnah's ward at Kharbranth to place Kabsal at the Palaneum. The plan to get Jasnah to eat bread dusted with poison flour could not realistically have worked without a Shallan type individual as a kind of "Judas goat", as Jasnah could and did simply refuse to see any ardent: he only got Jasnah to (almost) eat some of the bread by having Shallan beg her to do so, in order to be polite to her friend who had been sharing bread and jam with her for so long. Assasinating a known Surgebinder presents certain difficulties, number one being their ability to heal with Stormlight. A very deadly and fast-acting poison consumed unexpectedly is not a bad idea. Yet Kabsal met Shallan in the Palaneum before Jasnah had actually accepted her as a ward, and her being there at all was kind of a crazy act of desperation with Luesh's contribution. It sure sounds like someone in the Davar household was a liaison to the Ghostbloods through at least the point of Shallan leaving on her crazy, Luesh-inspired, Jasnah-targeting mission. But was it (only) Luesh? And after she reads the letter in Oathbringer where Mraize tells Shallan that Helaran was an acolyte of the Skybreakers, Pattern says "there are lies in this letter". My latest theories: Helaran was not a Skybreaker, but a Ghostblood: Amaram was right. Mraize told the truth about seducing him "with displays of Shards and power", which sound a lot more Ghostblood-y than Skybreaker-y, doesn't it? Though Shallan's mother and her unnamed friend wanting to kill her own child in Shallan for being "one of THEM" does sound like a Skybreaker acting on a mandate to root out Surgebinders. Luesh was a Ghostblood wanna-be, kind of like Tyn had been, sent by Heleran so he could keep tabs on what was going on with his family. They only have Luesh's word that he was the one who had operated the Soulcaster, and that it no longer worked. Perhaps instead, there was another Ghostblood present who was actually operating a Soulcaster, who after Lin Davar's death, instructed Luesh to plant a fake one on him... Then killed Luesh while planting the GB pendant on him while making an escape from the household, or while blending back into the household. Why get close to Heleran and Lin Davar in the first place? Because of some kind of "influence of Odium" that appears to have settled around him. An Unmade, one we haven't seen in action yet, like Chemoarish, that the Ghostbloods sought to understand or to control, and perhaps encouraging Heleran's "passion" for vengeance against his father helped fix the Unmade's influence in that location. Per this line of thinking, then, who was The Real Davar Ghostblood (in the household)? The unnamed, undescribed "surveyor"? Kind of weak. One of the other Davar brothers, Balat, Wikim, Jushi? - We have Balat POVs, so pretty much not him. Jushi was barely rescued from being sold into debt slavery, that seems very un-Ghostbloody. Wikim... Hmm? Wikim.... A guys who's kind of like Renarin, if he'd been abused and raised in fear. I'm not going to go so far as to propose Wikim as the true identity of Thaidakar, but man that would be a mind-blower!
  15. 7 points
    This is false on so many levels. Simply because someone isn't part of the "dominant class" doesn't mean that they are relieved of all responsibility for there racist actions towards others. Here's the actual definition of racist. Adjective: showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another. Now, on Roshar this can be applied both to light and dark eyed people. For one, you see everyone see themselves as superior to the parshmen. There are also plenty of examples of light-eyes looking down on the dark-eyes. What we don't often acknowledge is the racism from the dark-eyes towards the light eyes. We see this most in Moash, but other Bridge 4 members show it too. We see Kaladin think things about how spoiled Shallan is simply because she's a light-eyes. At one point we even see Moash use the excuse that the King is a light-eyes so it's not as bad to kill him. All of these things, from light eyes and dark eyes, are racist. Now we can have an argument over if some of it is justified, but just saying you can't be racist towards the dominant class is ridiculous.
  16. 7 points
  17. 7 points
    I think there is an old quote from Brandon that states that most people on Roshar are racist in some fashion. This is tricky to discuss, because racism is one of those words that can be tricky to define. Is it the same as being biased for/against someone based on their ethnicity? Is it a specific case of considering one being worth ”less” because of their ethnicity? Is it being against immigration from other cultures? If we define it as the old fashioned ”some people are worth more than others based on skin/eyes/height/whatever” then no, I wouldnt argue that Kaladin is or has been racist. I dont think Adolin really has been either though, but I might be forgetting something. If we define it as being biased however, the case is different. Then Kaladin has most defenitely been racist. He has totally been biased against lighteyes. He wasnt positive toward Renarin at first, he was distrustful of everyone with the wrong eyes, wanted Bridge 4 to be a safe zone for ”us” (the Darkeyes) and not let ”them) the Lighteyes in. It is also worth noting that all Alethi have been totally racist against the Parshmen (Kaladin even acknowledges that his behavior against Rlain was wrong). So in that regard, all non-Parsh characters (and maybe not the odd ones like Hoid, worldhoppers, Heralds or Axies) are/have been racist in the ”more worth than others” sense. As for Dalinar, I think his statements regarding equality was that he couldn’t do a darkeyes/lighteyes societal reform in the middle of an apocalyptic war against a dark god and his immortal magic monster-soldiers.
  18. 7 points
    I'm nonbinary, my body's 26 but honestly I'm so odd I don't have any idea what that means, or maybe that means I know enough to have no idea what that means? Who knows? Anyway, my obsessions are music, a lot of Brandon writing, the SCP Wiki (if you do not know that place, go there, it will blow your mind), and MUDs/similar games, MOOs, MUSHes, etc. I'm blind, so you can best get my engagement through text or audio, and admittedly I am stereotypically terrible at formatting. I admit I haven't read much Brandon outside of the Cosmere and the end of WoT, once I had absorbed all of that I kind of had to stop reading anything of substantial size for a while. So bit by bit I'm chewing my way through different parts of the SCP Wiki's hubs (the Antimemetics Division is some doom) until I get good series energy again, and then I'm probably going to do it all in one massive run. Even though it's not all one series. I read Stormlight in audio, so now I'm going back and reading it slowly in Braille, there's something really nice about actually being able to see how someone wanted you to perceive the cadence and emphasis of a thing. As much as we can perceive cadence in text, anyway. I'm a mishmash of emotions which is entirely too aware of itself. I have no idea when it is I really started as a concept, and happily have no idea when I'll end. No better or no worse than anything else around me, I just have ideas and the drive to explore others'. Me and a few others are creating an abstract, concept Stormlight playlist, best listened to shuffled. When I initially thought of writing this, for over a month, all I could think of for my introduction were songs, most of the ones I put here are the ones I would have chosen. Which probably tells you everything you need to know about me, honestly lol. Highlights, just titles because I can't links yet. I originally tried to do that, oops. This is so Oathbringer to me, Stormlight and Mistborn, and, where we are, the whole universe. Who, at some point, doesn't know this? And doesn't it always lead to either the best or the most disastrous actions? Thrice - The Dark "Over town, the flags are up, every soul says they're fighting the good fight, paradox too plain to see, but only when the well runs dry..." Blanco White - On the Other Side All of the lyrics of this, so much. All of them. But, with an attempt at denoting the cadence lines in some basic way: "Deceiver says, he says, you belong to me, you don't want to breathe the light of the others, fear the light, fear the breath, fear the others for eternity. But I hear them now, and hear the clarity, hear the venom, the venom in, what, you say, inoculated, bless this immunity." Tool - Fear inoculum And every bit of this. I couldn't pick a lyric if I tried. Tool - Pneuma This, to me, is the essential song of transformation. "I choose to live and to lie, kill and give and to die, learn and love and to, do, what it takes to step through." Tool - 46 and 2 Grandbrothers - Long Forgotten Future Manu Delago - Mode 2 Manu Delago - Uplifted This cadence is familiar... I have a feeling it's familiar to Stormlight too. Not because it's familiar to me. But because it's familiar to a concept. Humans do that, too. Not the same way. Not nearly so deeply. But they did, and some do, and it happens. Alexandre Desplat - Courtyard Apocalypse (from the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part II soundtrack) Global Drum Project, all of it. Dances with Wood and Tars are the tracks on the playlist though 10 years - Writing on the Walls Iamthemorning - Touching II James Newton Howard - Bow and Arrow Ryuichi Sakamoto - Andata Gary Girouard - The Thinker Gary Girouard - Nebula Whitebear - Lost in Vibrations, Pt. 2 Anoushka Shankar - Boat to Nowhere Anoushka Shankar - Crossing the Rubicon Amethystium - Mono No Aware (opening) Bruno Sanfilippo - Pianette Hildur Guðnadóttir - Elevation Slipknot - XIX "There's a story meant to be told, but the door is shut in the cold..." Blanco White - Olalla Coldplay - Politik A Perfect Circle - Feathers Osi and the Jupiter - Baldur Thomas Bergersen - Run Free The Daydream Club - Improv #1 - A Tale of Two Modes Christopher Tin - Haf Gengr Hriðum - "The Storm-Driven Sea" James Newton Howard - My Name is Robert Neville Grandbrothers - Wuppertal Grandbrothers - Naive Rider Grandbrothers - Stutie V Grandbrothers - Newton's Cradle Phil France - Transition Grandbrothers - white Nights Honorable mentions that didn't make it in due to being too specific to other things or not quite lining up the way I wanted them to, or that made it here due to being bits of me that weren't on the playlist. "She took my portrait as well as she could do with someone who seemed to be not there at all..." Josh Ritter - Dreams "He can feel his skin like a prison, like a dying cage he struggles to live inside, he tries to call out but nobody hears him. At the ragged edge of the silence, in the calm that always comes with the violence, sleep inside the heart and the hope of redemption." The October Project - Sunday Morning Yellow Exocat - Demons Within Rise Against - People Live Here Shaman's Harvest - Tusk and Bone So there's a bunch of the things that make up all the varying bits of my existence, the playlist link is going to land wherever those should go once I can post them. I look forward to participating, I've been reading for a bit. I'm quiet until I start talking, and then dear god do I start talking, so if I'm ever too noisy by all means, tell me to shut up for a bit.
  19. 7 points
    Hatred, as in Odium, is the very essence of patience. Revenge is best served cold, for example. If you hate something that much, as Odium hates everything, then it is more important to you to win the war instead of the battle, to annihilate your enemy completely. Odium is the kind who would wait for the opportunity to wage a massive scale desolation of the populace, as opposed to taking every potshot he can to kill anything. After all: The best revenge is to survive.
  20. 6 points
    Fun little watercolor I did a few weeks ago
  21. 6 points
    I have to say, there aren't many places on the internet where people could discuss what counts as racism for 3+ pages and keep it this civil. It's a testament to this community.
  22. 6 points
    Kaladin distrusts Lighteyes in general, because they have all treated him badly, but he does not discriminate against lighteyes who show themselves to be good people, as shown by the fact that he likes the wall guard, trusts the Kholins, and allows Lighteyes into bridge four. He distrusts them because in general, the lighteyes in power are corrupt. But when he is given reason to trust them, he does so.
  23. 6 points
    His hatred is something he's working on to change; his anger is righteous and correct. EDIT: And to clarify, the three do not get the same reaction from the radon, except perhaps Shallan. There aren't threads and threads being made about the Kholins' classism, exclaiming how inappropriate they're being. The large portion of fan attention on this issue is focused on Kaladin.
  24. 6 points
    I like the theory that Kaladin's mother is from Kharbranth and that Kaladin will be granted the protection that Odium promised.
  25. 6 points
    Kaladin, "racist"? Nah, of course not. Racism is the combination of prejudice with power and oppressive systems. It's when from your birth you're treated worse and even enslaved because of your heritage. It's systemic disenfranchisement, where at every turn you find yourself treated as lesser, all life long. The fight of the slave against their masters is not the same as the oppression of the slaves by their masters.
  26. 5 points
    I bought Pokemon: Lets Go Pikachu and named my character Kaladin and my Pikachu Syl since it's always following me around....
  27. 5 points
    Here's the problem. If you justify anger against a certain race, for any reason, then you just keep adding to the problem. Let's say the dark eyes manage to pull off a massive coup. They create a worldwide coaltition and completely overthrow the light eyes. Let's also imagine they took your approach and hated the light eyes and justified it by how they had been treated. Now they are in power, do you think that animosity will fade? It won't if anything it'll just get stronger and stronger. THey will likely treat the light eyes worse then even they were treated in retribution. Within like three generations Roshar would be in the same social situation, just with dark eyes on top and light eyes underneath. This would cary on until light eyes threw a coup and so on and so forth forever. The only way out of this loop is to disavow racism at every level. Even those who have been oppressed and treated unfairly need to realize that unless they can set that aside for a greater future, the world will be stuck in this spiral. As Kaladin said to Moash, "We need to be better then them", or something similar. Without some group putting aside their hatred and anger and finally living up to the ideal of treating everyone equally, nothing will change but the color of eyes of those in charge. THis is the problem with justifying racism simply because you've been treated badly. P.S. There is a point in one of the books where bridge 4 actuallty has a discussion about this. I can't remember if it's in WoR or tWoK, and I only have audio so if someone else knows where that is and could quote it that would be nice.
  28. 5 points
    An NPC TUBAist walks by playing a tuba. *cough* pineapples *cough*
  29. 4 points
    Aha! Finally the 90 days are up and I can go back to my normal username
  30. 4 points
    Howdy all, This is my first post on this forum; it's great to be here! Although I have perused this site for some time, please excuse me if this theory has been previously stated. I also wanted to mention that I heard this theory from a close friend, and I have added slightly to it. So the credit (or criticism) goes to him! In short, I believe that Brandon used the word "capacity" in a purposefully ambiguous way; the interpretation of this term has series-altering potential. Let's first separate fact from assumption. Fact 1: Taravangian was given his condition by asking for "the capacity" to save mankind. Fact 2: Taravangian's condition is defined by a sliding scale of attributes. As he grows more intelligent, he becomes less compassionate and vice versa. Essentially, Taravangian's character is defined by four traits--intelligence, stupidity, ruthlessness, and compassion. Assumption: Taravangian's "capacity" to save mankind is referring to his attributes of intelligence and ruthlessness--to a lesser extent) Specifically, it has granted him the capacity to have that outlier day of supreme intelligence, the day where the Diagram was created. There are several reasons why I believe that the above assumption is wrong. 1. Odium's Encounter--At the end of Oathbringer, Odium displays such a degree of foreknowledge and sheer intelligence that the predictions of the Diagram and Taravangian's potential intelligence seem inconsequential in comparison. Taravangian, based upon his intelligence and ability to make ruthless decisions, never stood a chance. He never had the "capacity" in this way. 2. The Diagram's Degree of Error--As the series progresses, the Diagram seems to stray further and further off course. Although some characters initially chalk this off to misinterpretation, it becomes clear that Diagram is flawed based upon unforeseen results. This concept is further reinforced through other characters, such as Renarin, predicting the future incorrectly. 3. Taravangian's Own Experience--Lastly, Taravangian himself notes that his outlying days are very similar. When he is both incredibly intelligent and stupid, he cannot interact with humans in a meaningful way. Also, his decisions when he is most intelligent/ruthless seem to actually be incredibly stupid (i.e. killing off his subjects for being stupid etc.). In short, the above reasons, especially in view of Taravangian's story arc, show that his intelligence/ruthlessness never even came close to giving him the capacity to save mankind. This does not seem in keeping with what we know about the Nightwatcher/Old Magic. Instead, I believe that Taravangian's "capacity" comes from his more neglected attributes--his potential for compassion and/or for extreme stupidity. These attributes will increase in importance as his character becomes more aligned with Odium. His stupidity may thwart Odium at some critical point, and his compassion is not compatible with being an effective ally of Odium. In a way, Taravangian seems very alike to Gollum. Each are maligned characters that may unintentionally tip the balance in the favor of good, and each are intrinsically tied to the trait of compassion--Gollum to Frodo's compassion and Taravangian to his very own. Furthermore, all this is in keeping with what we know about the Old Magic--namely, that boons are indeed granted but often in ways that are unforeseen/unconventional. Please let me know what you think. Regardless of whether it happens or not, this could lead to a very redemptive/beautiful story arc and could be a very Sandersonian twist. TLDR: Taravangian's capacity to save mankind refers to his compassion/stupidity rather than his intelligence/ruthlessness.
  31. 4 points
    Nope, it doesn't. And as a personal request, let's not quote MLK so far from his cultural context; there are plenty of his quotes we can quote that are less nice and broad. I find it telling that the anger of the darkeyes gets more of a "this is wrong!" reaction than Dalinar and Adolin and Shallan's thoughts and actions, as people in these privileged positions who thoughtlessly are classist in the books. But they have the privilege of being calm and reasonable about this subject, whereas Kaladin's anger is seen as hysterical and unreasonable. I'll use an analogy to explain my reasoning. I and my boss are angry at each other. I tell him, "you're fired!" Nothing happens. He tells me, "you're fired!" and I am escorted from the building. Were our actions equal? Did we do each other the same harm? No. Absolutely not. I was not capable of firing my boss; the company would laugh if I'd tried. On the other hand, it was very easy for him to fire me. But our words were the same! We were both in the wrong! And yet, if someone tried to claim that what I did was as bad as what he did to me, even just bad at all, that claim would be pretty insulting. Calling what I did "firing him" doesn't align with the reality.
  32. 4 points
    By equating Kaladin's words to the harm he's been paid out, it diminishes the impact of what is so bad about racism. His suspicion is completely earned; based on what he'd been through, he was given multiple reasons to find lighteyes untrustworthy. The impact to the lighteyes Kaladin dislikes is negligible, it's essentially nothing. Hurt feelings is the extent of it, as I've said. I've called him prejudiced in this thread, which covers all the things you mentioned in your posts, but racism is reserved for institutional, systemic power.
  33. 4 points
    @Nellac A "what if it turns around" theoretical doesn't make the current situation any less what it is. It hasn't happened, and it's not on the table. If that were to happen and all institutional power flows away from the lighteyes and to the darkeyes, then the darkeyes would be enforcing the class system and I would be saying that lighteyes can't be racist against darkeyes. Hypotheticals don't change the logic. The experiences darkeyes have is not the same as lighteyes. Calling something racist is something many people find quite a serious accusation. By using the same word for Kaladin's anger and for the actions of people who did all of that to Kaladin, is calling Kaladin's anger immoral and illegitimate. Kaladin's anger is justified and righteous, even as he is letting go of his hatred. Calling him racist poisons the water; it implies by every definition brought up in this thread that Kaladin is wrong to be angry, because we all know being a racist is bad. He is not wrong to be angry and his suspicion and distrust of lighteyes is earned.
  34. 4 points
    I think it's a real stretch to apply the term "racist" to the clash between Lighteyes and Darkeyes. Classist fits much better. Just like real world nobility was hereditary, so is being a lighteyes. Because nobility was hereditary and in most western European societies was passed from father to son for hundreds of years with marriages mostly only between nobility, there were probably enough genetic differences between the nobility and the regular people that you could probably even say that the nobility was a different race, or a different subset of a race. But no one does, because the relevant distinction is the power and wealth held by the nobles. The interaction between lighteyes and darkeyes is more like an interaction between the nobility and the commoners than between two racial groups. It's explicitly set up as a caste system, which could be (depending on your views) two 10-rank caste systems, or one 20-rank caste system. In my opinion, Kaladin is classist, but not racist. He is prejudiced against people based on their power and wealth, but not based on their race. If he had a prejudice against (for example) the Shin, that would make him a racist. Another point that we need to remember when considering the world of a fantasy novel - the Parshmen of tWoK are not a different race, they are a different species. Unlike the differences in various races of humans, between different species there are actual significant and measurable scientific differences in biological capability. Especially in terms of the "Parshmen" who were caused by magic to be mentally disabled for more than a thousand years. The Alethi of "modern" times did not know or understand that this was because of human magic. Based on real, unbiased scientific observation they held a reasonable conclusion at the time that the Parshmen were not an intelligent species. Every "Parshman" had the intelligence of a well trained animal and they were treated as such. They did not have the capability of becoming a fully sentient/sapient being from training or education. There is no equivalent situation to this in the real world. It wouldn't be accurate to call a bias against the Parshmen or Parshendi as "racism" because the Parsh/Singers/Listeners are not a race of humans. The best word for that kind of bias is xenophobia as I understand it.
  35. 4 points
    Yeah, we’ll agree to disagree. Lets just say that I dont think using racism broadly puts the oppressed on the level of the oppressors. Compare it to the word murder. Amaram murdered Kaladins men, and Adolin murdered Sadeas. Both are defenitely murders, but what Adolin did was less bad than what Amaram did. Ina similar way, the systematic racism is much worse than Kaladins prejudices, but both would qualify as racism.
  36. 4 points
    @Toaster Retribution And I consider a definition outside of systemic racism too broad, insultingly so, so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that. It puts the anger of the oppressed on the same level as the oppressors, treating both as equally bad, and that seems both incorrect and condescending in my view. Keeping it more in world of Roshar than real life, no one has been able to claim that Kaladin has anything more than a personal dislike. When he dislikes lighteyes and says something about it, people get mad and hurt, but the worst that happens to the lighteyes is they go, jeez, that darkeyes was such a jerk! And feel whatever hurt or angry feelings they want to feel. And that's the end of the impact. When a lighteyes dislikes Kaladin, the worst that could happen is... well, what actually happened to him. The Vorin church teaches the lighteyes are on top and they should be trusted; his society doesn't treat everyone equally, and many are treated worse, ie. the darkeyes. Kaladin's prejudice stems from repeated personal experience. It is impossible for Kaladin to be racist against lighteyes. What I find deeply interesting is how angry or condescending people get about Kaladin being this angry, as if anyone else wouldn't think what he thinks given his experiences. @Vissy I completely agree, especially about Shallan. Her thoughts and actions towards anyone of a lower rank than her are deeply classist/racist, and I find I do not enjoy reading her for this reason.
  37. 4 points

    From the album The Longest Thread (Misadventures)

    I did it. I figured out proportions. I'm in awe. This was my first test to try a system for it and needless to say it worked and I am so flippin' proud of it. This drawing is also cool because Star is wearing the blouse she did when this happened. What an iconic moment, am I right? And finally this drawing is just really cool 'cause I was actually able to give Star the shape she should have. I was originally not going to post this, but it just turned out so well and it makes me so happy.
  38. 4 points
    And once again, the power of puppy dog eyes reigns supreme! I mean, thanks for joining, you three! We've got enough for the minimum, so the game will start as scheduled. If you're still considering joining, please don't hesitate to speak up though, as the more the merrier!
  39. 4 points
    Obviously false, nobody is a better idiot than me. Points for trying though. 2/10
  40. 4 points
    One low-key indication of Kaladin's intelligence? He talks like a girl.
  41. 4 points
    Taln discovered fire by telling Stick to turn into fire.
  42. 3 points
    The report started with the names and cover-identities of the agents tasked with infiltrating the Set, and the reasons for the operation. She skipped over all that. She knew who she’d sent and she could dream the justification for the operation. Before going over to the next chapter, she picked up a heavy black pen and censored the names of teh agents. Irrespective of what followed next, that was information that’d have to be restricted. The next couple of chapters detailed the initial infiltration work. Individual contacts, slow but steady progress up into the organisation, as well as the occasional arranged incidents to help the agents climb up quickly. The details of those incidents were quickly censored too. Knowing that her agency had taken such steps was enough. Knowing the exact details wouldn’t help anyone at this point. And then something had gone wrong. The report provided several theories for the cause, but didn’t provide a definitive conclusion. All that was known for certain was that one of her agents had been found floating face-down in the canal separating Elendel’s 5th and 6th octant, and the Set had started their hunt the next day. *** Laurent Ervine has died. He was an EBI agent and an Array within the Communications Subset. *** Welcome to LG 63 everyone! Let me quickly repeat the publicly known rules: There are two factions, the ‘Elendel Bureau of Investigation Agents’ and ‘the Set’. Either faction wins by either eliminating the other faction entirely, or by reaching a position from which it would be impossible for them to lose. There are no other factions involved. This game consists of a 48 hour day-cycle and a 24-hour night cycle. There is a Lynch during the day-cycle, with no vote minimum and ties settled by random chance. Every night cycle the EBI agents can arrange for the arrest (read: ‘elimination’) of a player. There are no open PM’s, but some roles might allow for the creation of PM’s. The Set is organized in several specialized cells, known as subsets. To be able to submit any sort of action, you need to have posted at least once in the thread that cycle. This cycle will end Wednesday 6PM EST. player list: Role PM's are being send out. if you've received none within an hour or so of the cycle going live, please send me a PM.
  43. 3 points
    Another quote, that was brought up earlier by Pathfinder, was this: Kaladin doesn't mistrust the lighteyes specifically because they are lighteyes, but instead because they are in power. This is before Kaladin meets any good examples, and he has figured out that power has a tendency of corrupting everyone.
  44. 3 points
    Kaladin did, or was going to, but he grew as an individual, and realized that would be wrong. Words of Radiance page 1014 "If I protect..." He coughed "if I protect.... only the people I like, it means that I don't care about doing what is right" If he did that, he only cared about what was convenient for himself. That wasn't protecting. That was selfishness. Oathbringer page 79 (this is after Kaladin punched Roshone in the face) Suddenly, the perspective of it crashed down on him. Since leaving Hearthstone, Kaladin had met true evil, and Roshone hardly compared. hadn't he sworn to protect even those he didn't like? Wasn't the whole point of what he had learned to keep him from doing things like this? He glanced at Syl, and she nodded to him. Do better That is character growth. Kaladin did not want to give Dalinar a shot. Syl pushed him, and eventually he learned to. Maybe part of the disconnect is by labeling some actions Kaladin took in the past as racist is that it is being said he always will be. To me Kaladin held a worldview that was enforced by individuals. His anger towards those individuals and the system was justified. Some of his other actions and comments to me were not. Those were said or done out of pain. As he got to meet and know individuals that challenged his world view, he grew as a person.
  45. 3 points
    I like the term "systematic racism", because it is clear what it is talking about. Kaladin is very much against systematic racism. He has experienced the injustice of it, he doesn't want to just reverse the tables and lord it over lighteyes, he would very much like it if justice and honor were actually true, fair things for everybody. His experiences have made him prejudiced against lighteyes. Other characters either embrace or passively accept systematic racism, and they are prejudiced against darkeyes, though their prejudice is less about hating darkeyes for things done to them, and more about discomfort at darkeyes being out of there place, fear, or seeing darkeyes as throwaways. Neither prejudice against lighteyes or darkeyes is good. Kaladin shows his ability to grow beyond his prejudice, and start to see the lighteyes he meets as just people. One thing that drives me up the wall about all the "Kaladin is racist" threads I've seen is that Dalanar, Adolin, ans Shallan are also "racist", along with bmany others. It kind of makes me crazy that this is seen as a problem just for Kaladin, that he needs to get over and then the world will just be hunky-dor, but no one else needs to tackle their own prejudices.
  46. 3 points
    Not going to lie, I think TFE is the best, because it was just so well crafted. It had a great opening and closing to the book and I honestly think it is Brandon’s best work. One of my friends didn’t even continue with the rest of the series because he thought the first one couldn’t have a better sequel, because the book was so well made.
  47. 3 points
    They have finished part one. From Alice Arneson: "Both part 1 and part 2 were delayed more than anticipated, so we’ll probably have less than 2 weeks per part from here on out."
  48. 3 points
    The battle raged around A.C. He barely managed to jump out of the way as a huge boulder-like candy thundered past him. A.C. hit the ground in a roll, then slid into one of the small trenches dotting the battlefield. Where are the other narrators!?, he thought feverishly. He ran around a corner... right into a group of angry warheads. Upon noticing him, the sour-balls began throwing themselves at the ground around A.C., promptly exploding upon contact. He leapt to the side as several detonated on his right. But not all of them missed, and he was thrown backwards by the force of the explosion. He hit the ground hard and slid backwards down the trench corridor. His ribs hurt, but he struggled to his feet anyway. A still man was a dead man. A.C.'s vision was hazy, and he almost didn't believe his eyes when a figure jumped into the trench about twenty feet from where he stood. The image prowled towards him, and he instinctively drew back as it coalesced into a brown mass concealed by a shiny, metallic cloak. The cloak proclaimed "Healthy" in big bold letters. So not humanoid, but definitely on our side. Thank the Stormfather! A.C. trudged forward to meet his new ally. "Don't worry. I'm here to help." it affirmed in a low, guttural voice. It clasped A.C.'s shoulder and leaned forward, then planted a candy cane knife in his middle. A.C. stumbled back, and it swiftly pinned him against the wall. "Where are the others?" It demanded. "I'll... never... talk..."
  49. 3 points
    I’ve got some math puns that also have various nerdy references in them. One day, I encountered an Ent in the forest. I was curious as to why he was there, as I had thought he was a resident of Middle Earth. He claimed that he had been visiting his friend, Gru, who could build him a device to help his fellow Ents make up their minds quicker. But Khan has been passing by and, being evil, had snatched him up and gotten him lost in the forest. So I led the Ent out of the forest and reunited him with Khan and Gru. I wanted them to stop fighting and for there to be peace, so I said “Khan, Gru, Ent”, pointing at them each in turn, “You guys need to realize how similar each of you are!” Problem solved.
  50. 3 points
    Oh gosh. The only way to not lose is if this goes past the first page, which will only happen if nobody loses.
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