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  1. Can we not turn another thread into a storming Adolin war for once? Seriously... This conversation has absolutely nothing to do with the OPs proposal.
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  2. What was closed was a megathread that merged people wanting in depth character debates, with reactions and other things. It made people feel like the only place character discussion could occur regarding Adolin Shallan and Kaladin, and there was a LOT of heated opinions, and also conflict with people wanting to share their opinions, versus people who wanted to debate them. All of these things are valid (if done respectfully) but having it in a megathread was seriously not great and caused a large amount of conflict from every side, and also makes it seem like the megathread is the only place where people can discuss character things. Structurally it was not advantageous to have. You can make threads! We have always been consistent in the aftermath of ASK's closure that making new character threads is awesome! We just want them to be more focused than "everything about Shallan Adolin and Kaladin". That's a pretty low bar. In addition, make it clear if a shipping thread is more just for fun, or for more serious discussion and debates. There are so many threads anyone can make! Here are some example topic titles that one could use: Why I Don't Like Adolin Why I Like Adolin Why Kaladin is Better For Shallan Why Shallan and Adolin Won't Last (oh hey, we have this one!) Potential Conflicts with Shallan and Adolin's Marriage Why I'm Disappointed in the Love Triangle Resolution (I think this one has also been a thing) There has been a lot of character discussion after the megathread was closed. There should not be one place where that's the only place where you can discuss characters. There can be fun threads, there can be discussion threads. These don't and shouldn't need to be the same. By having a bit more focus (it doesn't need to be a lot) you can have the discussions you want! Do you want to have a pro-Adolin thread that's gushing about him? Sure! Do you want a thread where you can commiserate with others about not liking Adolin? Absolutely! Those don't even need to be "debate" style topics so if that's not your jam, don't feel like you need to defend your opinions if it's a more "fun" topic, for example. If it's a topic that's more "let's talk about this aspect, why people like this or why people don't" then that's a debate thread, and that's great too! We just need to not have personal attacks (strictly prohibited) or escalation of conflict. People can have so many opinions, and it's fine for people to disagree. Please understand that. Another person having a different viewpoint doesn't mean you are being aggressed. It could, but also probably not. (And as always, report things that you think are offensive so we can moderate them effectively, lower conflict, and make sure respectful discussion continues.) Anyway, let's focus on to the topic, and if you'd like to discuss another aspect, you have the power to make such a thread! Character discussion is a rich area that does not need to be segregated to a single big thread, and there's so much that can be discussed. Make it happen if you want it to!
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  3. Hi I'm super new to this and wildly inexperienced but I gather this is the place to post character profiles. See below, and please let me know if I need to alter anything! I tried to hide the text like others have been doing - not sure if I actually managed it.
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  5. @SLNC of course you are entitled to your opinion of Adolin, we all like different things. However, in an effort to keep you reading SA I suggest you try to look at his character in a different way, change the perspective as it were. Looking at how others see him may help. I see Adolin as The Glue Guy on Team Honor. He has some issues of his own and is by no means perfect but without his actions the squad falls to pieces. Our Radiants are extraordinary people but let's face it, they are, one and all, broken. That's a major theme in these books. Adolin is a normal dude, or at least as normal as someone 3rd in line to be a king can be. He picks up the broken ones when they're down so that they can be awesome later. He's the only dude that can keep Dalinar from bulldozing his allies. He has had success keeping Shallan's fractured soul from flying apart. He changes Kaladin's preconceived notions of lighteyes and keeps dude from depression overload. He provides a safe space for Renarin so that he can walk with confidence later. And he took out Sadeas, a problematic act but better than the alternative. You may not like Adolin, and like I said it's your right. Without him though, you get a poorer story product. That's my sincere belief for what its worth.
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  6. Actually, the new Honor is going to be Honour, Honor's British cousin (who will be played in the TV show by Anthony Head) For that matter, whilst I'm casting Shards, who wants to see Anthony Hopkins as Odium ? (Apologies if I have wandered off topic)
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  7. I'm sorry, but no. The duel was a huge turning point in their relationship. When was Adolin ever condescending after that? (Aside from the fact that I can't really remember Adolin being condescending towards Kaladin much before. He didn't like him, but he always acknowledged his fighting skills and usefulness.) He was grateful and impressed enough with what Kaladin did in the arena that he locked himself in prison for two weeks (or however long they were in there) and remember, Adolin was the first lighteyed person to fully believe Kaladin about Amaram and told him so. Dalinar took Kaladin's claims seriously and investigated, yes, but Adolin was the first one to just say "I believe you". That meant a lot to Kaladin, who at that point still believed Dalinar had dismissed all accusations against Amaram. Honestly Renarin and Adolin have the most beautiful brother dynamic I ever read about in a book. They trust each other 100% and it's fairly obvious that Adolin has always, ever since Renarin was born did everything to protect his little brother.
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  8. Graph has no axis labels. I choose to interpret this as 'number of people who have been spiked with loyalty to the DA'
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  9. At first glance, Wayne and Shallan is probably not an obvious connection to make, but hear me out. Though the two aren't identical, there are a surprising number of similarities. [Warning: some spoilers ahead] 1. They both specialize in disguises, and get really into character when they do so. Shallan obviously has a problem with this, but we often see Wayne's narration as if he is the person he's pretending to be. He has no problem sliping out of these disguises, but it's still significant immersion. 2. They both killed someone when they were a child, which continually haunts them and makes them both unable to use their weapons. Shallan stabbed her mother, and this caused her to completely deny the existence of Pattern, her Shardblade, while Wayne killed an innocent man, which makes his hands start shaking whenever he picks up a gun. 3. They both often use witty and distracting comments to draw attention from more serious matters as well as their own emotions. Wayne is known for his random wit, and Shallan (at least in the beginning) has a sharp tongue as well. This is often as a way to lighten the mood or divert attention from what Shallan or Wayne is really feeling. (Shallan does this a lot more than Wayne). 4. They both really care about everyday people. We can see this in Wayne, and the way he instantly connects with and understands people during investigations, and with Shallan/Veil as she worries about handing out food to the poor and elevating the suffering of others. 5. They both feel stifled and controlled in calm comfortable environments, and prefer to be where there's danger and excitement. Wayne frequently convinces Wax that his life as a House Lord is boring, and that he (Wayne) woudl hate to be in such a situation. Shallan seems to be at her best when tracking down a killer or exploring the world, and dislikes staying behind or being protected. 6. They both use powerful investiture that makes them heal faster. Wayne's Gold Feruchemy and Shallan's Stormlight really only share that much, but it's worth mentioning. I thought that this was both cool and unexpected, myself, and I'm interested to find other similarities between these two and other Sanderson characters. He does, to an extent, reuse some tropes, but it often crops up unexpectedly. Anyone else notice something?
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  10. whelp... I did it.... I finally joined the 17th shard... here's to fully accepting my nerddom! I hope I can be a useful member of society here. I love the books and I would love to be able to provide helpful insight and discussions! I have read almost everything Cosmere by Brandon. I am just missing a few choice pieces like Dragonsteel prime and such. I try to stay up to date and cannot wait until the next book is released! I am a huge fan of Threnody and wish there were a full fledged book on the way soon. I will just have to sit on that and hope. If I were a twinborn I would be Electrum (augur) + Zinc (sparker). Though I have no idea for what Radiant order I would go to. I will assume one of the orders we haven't seen yet =P
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  11. I think Adolin is a more complex character than some people give him credit for and I expect book 4 to bring his complexities and hidden issues to the forefront, we see a bit of that in his PoVs in Shadesmar, with his worries about being useless, an that he was only ever useful because of his Shards, and not in his own right, and I expect finding out what really happened to his mom will put further strain on him, plus the fallout from it becoming publicly known that he murdered Sadeas. I see lots of opportunities for growth with Adolin, as he revaluates his relationship with his father, and with his society, and I think that Maya will play a role in that, because you don't tease something like that like what happened at the end of Oathbringer and then do nothing with it. It'd be bad writing. Brandon likes to put his characters through the wringer and have them come out stronger (if they survive), and that's what I see happening with Adolin.
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  12. *When you’re too scared to say you hope Moash has a redemption arc* Hahahaha just kidding! Moash is crem.
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  13. I thought I'd revive this thread for the upcoming Valentines Day 2019 I just realized I should tag @hoiditthroughthegrapevine because you'd love it.
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  14. Let it be known that Adolin will be the ultimate Edgedancer, by virtue of not being an Edgedancer. Edgedancers can stand on the finest rope, ride the thinnest cord, and metaphorically straddle the various levels and groups of society. It is only fitting then, that Adolin would fulfil this same function within the Knights, being both Knight Radiant and a normal man, an Edgedancer between Edgedancer and anathema to a spren. Being fully serious now, I was actually also being serious above. Adolin will probably not swear any Oaths, for Maya can't receive them and no other spren will accept him, with him being bonded to a corpse. Maya will become more complete, but never a fully intact Radiant spren again, though more fully grounded in her mind, and more fully bonded to Adolin. He will have access to surges, but only through Maya as a blade - rather than the human using the surges, it will be the blade, so long as he touches her. She will come faster than she currently does, but never fully instantly. He will have plate, but only the plate he currently owns, and never be able to summon plate, as Maya and he cannot without Oaths being sworn. She will become more like a living spren in the cognitive realm, but never fully alive again. He will fill in her missing parts, but she will never fill any cracks in him. They will be part of one another, as any Knight and spren are part of each other, but never the same way as a Knight. He will be admired by spren for reviving her after a fashion (... Adolin and fashion ...) but also despised as anyone bonded to a dead blade would be. Basically, this theory is that Adolin will be - ironically - the best example of an Edgedancer, but without being an Edgedancer, without armour his access to surges could penetrate, and only having surges when touching Maya, with them only working through her as well, healing or decreasing friction or increasing it with what touches her.
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  15. More hero of ages spoilers
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  17. Rubies are red, And through fair or foul weather I WILL UNITE THEM, STORMFATHER I WILL BRING MEN TOGETHER
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  18. I literally cannot even imagine them as a happy couple.
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  19. Starting tonight, I'm returning to the Tuesday-Thursday only schedule. It's been fun having fuller access again, but I also need greater limitations on it to be better productive with other things. Read on, write on, party on, whatever suits your fancy, so long as you live on!
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  21. "Washing the Spears" is what I call it when she licks her paws.
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  22. No. Sadeas was great bad guy. And he died alone, in desperation and without glory. Great end for villian. I like it. He deserved it because of being such a good villian.
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  23. How is making him a watered down Radiant putting him on a special pedastal? Adolin is willing to make the effort to support her. Calling it Adolin's direct influence is a little much. Sure, Adolin was the catalyst, but looking at Shallan's character and her hangups with her Shardblade, Radiant was inevitable. Because Kaladin is really not in the right headspace for a relationship right now. They would just make each other's problems worse. There's also the small matter of him killing her beloved big brother. I feel the opposite about this. Sadeas was crem, and he died the way crem like him should die, alone and unremarked.
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  24. ♥ My valentine will you become, love, becoming! you are valentine mine ♥
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  25. Meanwhile, in the alternate universe where Nathan reluctantly rules his own realm of cloth-based humanoids….
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  26. There are several threads on this board discussing different aspects of Adolin and/or Shallan and/or Kaladin’s romantic plotlines. Try to keep this one to the OPs topic so it doesn’t get buried and so people who are looking to talk about Adolin being a Radiant don’t get too bogged down with other stuff. Thank-you all! If the particular aspect of the relationship you want to discuss isn’t covered please do start a new topic!
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  27. Rubies are red Violet wine is strong My love for you, Gemheart will last the year long You are the Stormlight of my life
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  28. Take another look at the Edgedancer ideals. Take another look at Adolin. Remembering the forgotten, listening to the ignored? He's doing that, in his own way. Some of his actions may not sit well with a Windrunner or a Skybreaker but we know there are other Orders that would be perfectly okay with things we've seen Adolin do. To borrow a meme, 'Life before Death, Strength before Weakness, Journey before Destination. I do not think that Ideal means what you think it means'.
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  29. If this was so, why do people keep bringing up Adolin's life being perfect when bashing his character? The threshold of how "broken" you need to be to be a Radiant is not as much as people think it is. Kaladin, Shallan and Dalinar are outliers, if they were the standard, there could never have been hundreds of Radiants. Speaking for me, while I like Kaladin and Shallan more than Adolin, in some ways I empathize more with Adolin. Feeling like I can't live up to people's expectations, or my parents' legacy, and wondering about what my place in the world is... These are all things I've felt. Frankly, I didn't do a good job of it sometimes. Adolin doesn't always either, but he's willing to acknowledge these issues about himself.
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  30. Yes, I definitely want to join. Could someone give a short, spoiler free, synopsis of second era politics and technology. I'm still in the first trilogy.
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  31. Opportunity died, ya’ll! The Mars rover, I mean. Not the concept. Who else is crying?
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  32. - Please no more love triangle/romantic drama. I hate this stuff. (Only exception is when it ends up as polyamory, but I don't see that happen here.) - No bad things shall happen to Kaladin. Like, really. The guy has been through enough these last three books. Give him a break. (Also, don't kill him. PLEASE.)
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  33. I don't see Adolin as reducing Shallan's issues to something 'easy'. He will be a support for her, but that's how a good relationship works. She will still have a lot of work to put in to get better. I'd rather see Shallan with somebody who helps her deal with her issues, rather than somebody like Kaladin who I feel would exacerbate them. (This is not a diss on Kaladin, I love him, but he and Shallan would be terrible for each other.)
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  34. Rubies are Red Sapphires are Blue Now Shut Up and Sit Still So I Can Soulcast You
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  35. "Well alright then! If you didn't want to arm wrestle, you could've just said no! See ya around!" Sulked Freyja. Freyja walked out of the coffee room and into the main hall with her cup of coffee.
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  36. The two Uncle Brandys, upon realizing this, agreed to fight to the death. There can only be one.
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  37. Be grateful that your meaningless lives are-- I'm sorry, but earth is closed today! - Ebony Maw - T. Stark
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  38. The Last Post Wins doesn't have Butt Venture. Therefore, The Longest Thread automatically wins. Just saying.
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  39. I actually was just wondering about this. Lightweaving is a form of connection manipulation, with the lightweaver making the connections they have with others manifest as images. And it is might be something anyone can do (maybe, Khriss compares it to the Yolish variety, which I'm not sure if there is a restriction for). So, since Wayne has a better chance of functional immortality as a bloodmaker (through some spikes for gold maybe) than most, it's possible he could end up learning to lightweave. In that case, who would be better? In terms of other connections between the two, Wayne has three charges who he feels responsible for (the children of the man he killed), and Shallan likewise has three charges (her brothers) who she feels responsible for. Also they both have some latent non-heterosexuality, with a WoB confirming for Shallan, and Wayne considering the matter when MeLaan is a man for little while.
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  40. Hello This is a friendly reminder that if you have an issue with a user's post to please report it to the mods instead of engaging them in the thread. We are opening this thread back up to discuss the topic at hand: revived shardblades. If it devolves again we will shut this thread down permanently. The Mod Team
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  41. A chalkboard with math equations constantly being divided by 0.
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  42. Butt challenged Kelsier to a duel here you go!
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  43. Hello! Fairly new to the Shard and this is my first post. I apologize if this topic has been covered but I searched and couldn't find a direct answer. I have recently finished my third listen of Oathbringer and started thinking about greater implications of Odium's creepy new dagger. If Ishar is killed (for real) by this dagger, will the requirement of Oaths become removed from the nahel bond? Since Honor is dead, it seems like the rules of being a Radiant are already starting to flex and bend more and more, what with the Skybreakers literally fighting for Odium, or Malata and her very anti-social spren who seem largely intent on destruction for its own sake. However, it seems like the first Oath is still required for the bond to form, regardless of the difference of other higher Oaths. Since Ishar was the one who decided to implement the Knights Radiant and lay down this codification of Oaths, would his death lead to the relaxation of this requirement? Would we get the problems on Roshar that Nohadon speaks of in Dalinar's flashbacks, with surgebinders that can bond spren in a more private contract between just the two of them, allowing someone who is less-than-nice to wield great powers? Would this in turn actually cause the destruction of Roshar - as feared by Honor in his last days - due to surgebinding? It seems like Honorspren have always largely been rather strict with their bonded human partners, but I get the sense other spren wouldn't be nearly so choosy or demanding unless they had to be. And if Ishar isn't the one holding the collective Radiant spren to the necessity of Oaths, then what is? I get the impression that the spren aren't exactly all in a unanimous vote with one another about most things. What else, aside from divine/semi-divine will, could cause all of them to agree on Oath requirements? The other option could, of course, be that Cultivation would hold everyone to the Oaths regardless of Ishar living or not, but she's so mysterious and rarely seems interested in interfering with humans in a large, authoritative oversight kind of way. I'm really hoping one or more of you clever people have some answers or ideas!
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  44. It could also mean "Average number of Meekers per square inch, per guild"
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  45. I don't want to see a preggers Shallan. Like, really really really really don't want to see it.
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  46. But Kelsier thought she was hot which got weird real fast.
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