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  1. This month, we are beginning a brand-new initiative for the Coppermind. The Coppermind is a living, breathing thing, and there's so much to write that it's impossible to have the wiki succeed without your help. But often, people are interested in writing for the Coppermind but don't know where to start. To this end we are going to have monthly objectives to help guide people towards what should be done. Our plan is to have a mix of larger tasks as well as smaller tasks that are much less of a time commitment. If you're new to editing the Coppermind, don't worry; we'll help you out with guides and plenty of assistance. You don't need experience, just the will to do help out! We'll also provide awards, because everyone loves fake internet points. So, here are our objectives for July. There's still so much from Oathbringer and Stormlight to do, so we're focusing on that this month. (And, let's face it, probably for the next little while, too.) We're going to try and make things fairly focused. Larger Projects 1. Kaladin's History in Oathbringer Part Three Kaladin's article needs a lot of updating for Oathbringer, but let's start by just updating the events in Part Three and getting that up to speed. 2. Siege of Kholinar Behold, one of the worst articles on the wiki! Yeah, this needs vast expansion. For subsections that should be here, you can look at the article structure for battles. 3. Lopen We know there's Lopen fans, and if you're a fan of Lopen you should hate this criminally short article of his! 4. Hesina You know, a lot of people worry when they start on the Coppermind, "oh no, I'll screw something up!" And I can understand that, especially for big character articles. But if you just look at Hesina's article you'll quickly realize that you cannot possibly screw this up, because it is so short and so bad. It is criminal that no one has given this one more attention! 5. Update Rysn for Oathbringer Rysn just has one interlude, but it's pretty meaty. Let's update her article with all the Oathbringer stuff and call it good. 6. Roshone Oathbringer Stuff Similar to Rysn, Roshone doesn't have a big role to play in Oathbringer, but there's still stuff to add in all of his sections. 7. Mraize's History from Words of Radiance If you look around the Coppermind, you'll see that in most character articles, the longest section is the History, where the events of their lives (and in turn, events from the books) are chronicled. Well you know who doesn't have a history section? Mraize. Literally none! Let's start by writing down what he did in Words of Radiance first. 8. Celebrant How about a location article to mix things up? Celebrant is cool. Let's get everything down about this place from Part Four of Oathbringer. For guidance, see our article structure for cities. 9. History of the Refounded Windrunners So on the Order of Windrunners page, there's a lot of stuff on what's going on with them magically, but we should also have some information about the refounding of the Windrunners. What happened there? Obviously, if we learned more about the history of the Windrunners before the Recreance, that would go on this page too, but we don't have too much on it at the moment. 10. Wax's History in Alloy of Law And for a non-Stormlight bonus, there's Wax's article. The history of his literally ends when he arrives back in Elendel. Let's start with working on his history during what happens in Alloy of Law, to say nothing of Shadows of Self and Bands of Mourning. Smaller tasks These are tasks that are much shorter and involve characters that are minor. But hey, minor things are important to have done too! Most of these articles are so short that they will not require separate sections. For short articles, include as much as you can possibly think of about them. 1. Skybreaker acolytes Szeth meets a lot of Skybreaker acolytes in Oathbringer. None have too much on them. They are: Warren, Joret, Cali, Zedzil, Ty 2. Lunamor's family Of course, we get Rock's family in this one, and his family is big! This includes: Tuaka, Gift, Cord, Rock (junior), Star, Kuma'tiki, Beautiful Song 3. Kaladin's singer squad Kaladin meets various singers in Part One of Oathbringer. Let's complete these up: Khen, Sah, Vai, Hesh, Jali 4. Wall Guard squadmembers Another Kaladin squad (Kaladin getting another squad, what's new) from Part Three of Oathbringer. This could be really good to do if you're also doing Siege of Kholinar or Kaladin's Part Three History. These are: Deedanor, Noromin, Alaward, Beard, Hid, Hadinar, Vaceslv, Vardinar, Ved 5. Fladm This is a minor guard who dies in Rsyn's interlude. 6. Insah This article refers to a character referred to once in Oathbringer Chapter 50. Include as much detail as possible, but there's not much here. 7. Mara Mara is Lirin's apprentice when Kaladin returns to Hearthstone. 8. Fullnight Fullnight is a bit harder than the last two. It's Dalinar's gelding in his first flashback, but there still isn't much about him. 9. Helt This is a master-servant to Elhokar in Urithiru. This should be a fast one. 10. Hariel This is one of the Fused, who took over Demid's body. There's some to expand on here but again, very little. When you are totally done with an article, change the text at the bottom from {{stub}} or {{partial}} to {{complete}}. What's in it for me? We want to motivate people to help, so we will be giving out Coppermind awards for the users in July with the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd most edits, and we'll also give out awards if you contributed to one of these items. They'll be on your user page for all to see. Okay, I'm in, how do I to start? The most important thing is to be bold! Content is hard to write, but we can always format your stuff if it doesn't quite match conventions. MediaWiki notation is not the easiest to learn. If you're interested, we have lots of guides to help. It does very much help to have ebooks so you can find instances of a specific word or person. (This is extremely helpful for minor characters). If you have physical books, ask us and we can help you determine this so you don't need to reread the whole text. Come join us on the dedicated Coppermind Discord, or come chat in the #coppermind channel on the 17th Shard Discord. We are really happy to help. Lastly, but certainly not least, we have something pretty special that's happened on the wiki that we would like to spotlight. Through a lot of effort, people have been able to figure out where the continent of Roshar is on the planet, and look what the user Otto didact has made: sweet, sweet maps highlighting locations on Roshar. For example, Alethkar: Emul: And for bodies of water: How awesome are these? They are just spectacular. Give Otto a big round of applause!
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  3. "Thranduil, you must listen to me! The danger is dire, and the shadow will soon spread through all the world, reaching even here in Eryn Galen! Our response to the threat must be swift!" "Mithrandir, your warnings are grim news to the Southrons, but what care we for them? Greenwood is safe from all, and the kingdoms of men are of no concern to us." Thranduil waved a dismissive hand. "Begone with your babbling, old wizard. We have no need of your ilk here." Gandalf drew up, becoming… deeper, yet brighter. His voice lowered. "King Thranduil, if you do not respond, the threat within your own woods will only grow stronger. You know of the shadow within Dol Gulder. It feeds off the despair of all races, and men and elves alike will suffer if we do not swiftly respond. I have not thus ventured into Dol Gulder, as whatever resides there may be beyond my skill to handle, yet we must travel to the south now to defeat the evil arising." He paused. "I believe it may be a demon of power, a Valarauko. A Balrog of Angband, so long hidden among the caverns of Ennor." Thranduil snorted, a hilariously derisive sound from one who should have been regal and kingly. "I will not say it again, Gandalf the Grey. Begone from my kingdom, and take these lesser beings away with you. I have spared their lives only because of your presence, but my patience with them will not last." Gandalf sagged slightly. "I would not wish upon the most base man the suffering I fear will come unto your people, King of Greenwood. I will take my leave, but I pray you will yet heed my warnings." He turned to leave, the dwarves and men who traveled with him being led by the guards of the Elven kingdom. —— "Uncle.." "How dare you speak to me so familiarly with such treasonous words, young one!" Thranduil scowled at Legolas, Prince of Greenwood. "You seek to leave our protection for the likes of these?" "My King, the warnings of Mithrandir should not be dismissed lightly. He is right to insist on our aid." King Thranduil scowled deeper still. "If you are to leave, flee quickly, 'fore I give the order to have you bound so as to keep you from this foolishness." Legolas bowed and slipped away on silent feet. As he did, a handmaiden approached, pulling him up short just out of sight of the mad king. "Prince Greenleaf, a word. My mistress also feels your compassion and haste. She would aid in your undertaking, but she also sends a word of warning. There may be those amongst the companions of the Maiar who would wish you harm, and a journey such as this leaves you unguarded. Seek protection in anonymity, and hide yourself among them. Perhaps we may even route those who sympathize with the enemy and save the companions from harm. I myself will accompany you, similar unknown to the rest of the travelers." Legolas nodded at the wisdom, and they began their preparations. ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Welcome, all, to The Shadow In The South, Long Game 47, set in the Third Age of Middle-Earth, approximately 50 years prior to the events of The Hobbit. Mirkwood still stands strong, though Thranduil and his people have been driven ever further from Dol Gulder and into the northern heart of the forest. Gandalf has presented his warning, and travelers may choose to join him. This game is relatively simple, yet deceptively tricky. The rules are below, and it should also be noticed that I am strongly encouraging role-play, and will attempt to provide extensive story and prompts for role-playing opportunities, though not nearly to the extent of Amanuensis's games. I have not, however, specifically included any incentives in the rules, in order to remain welcoming to those who do not wish to role-play or are unable to commit the time. The Game: General Rules: PMs will be open during all cycles. There are no restrictions on PMs, except that I and any other GMs must be included in all PMs. Group PMs are permitted. All actions must be submitted via your role PM during the appropriate cycles. If you will be unavailable during a cycle and wish to submit your action early, let me know, and that will be handled on a case-by-case basis. The alignment and role of players who are lynched or killed will be revealed at the beginning of the following cycle. Every player must post in the thread at least once per full cycle (combined Night and Day cycles), starting from Day 3. Anyone who does not will he left behind when breaking camp the following day cycle. Players who have been left behind may be replaced by pinch hitters if available, or will be considered dead otherwise. Sending in actions or participating in PMs will not protect you. Roles: Items: Actions and restrictions: [Reserved for rule clarifications] Player List: Sign-ups begin now, and will last for 2 weeks unless we need to shorten or extend it for any reason. Timer is below. Quick Links:
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  4. This idea started for me during the sample chapters, it's evolved some to include more so I wished to expand what I started here. Much of what's in the old thread will be repeat here, but I think I've fleshed it out more for (hopefully) a different and more in depth discussion. The Forms I believe that the singers are born without a spren bond. This would mean that they are born without a "form" but have a base physiology that is unaltered by a Spren. This is not Dullform, but something distinct. I base this on the following words from Eshonai and Venli's mother in Words of Radiance This implies a coming of age ceremony in which a listener went into the storms to bond a spren for the first time. So I believe that this lack of form, or "Birthform" is the natural unbonded state of a singer. I think that this is the form that we see in the Singers that were healed by the Everstorm. I find it highly suspicious that we are never once shown a child of the listeners. The first time we see a child of the singer race is Sah's daughter, in the same form as all of the other restored Parsh. These seems to be an obfuscation to me. Next we have Dullform. It appears through the text that when a singer enters the storm to adopt a form, each Form is tied to a specific spren. Hence the search for creation Spren, and hopefully, Artform. If this is the case, why is Dullform an expected result of experimenting with new spren? I believe that Dullform is not a true "form" but a protective mechanism. When the Spren enters into the gemheart, I think that it merges with the spiritweb in a specific location, integrating into the Spiritual Aspect to alter the Physical form and thought process of the Singer, but only if the Spren is a viable option for a form. In the event that the Spren is not viable I think dullform occurs. The portion of the spiritweb that normally integrates with the Spren instead retracts, resulting in a dormant portion of their Spiritual aspect. This dulls the rhythms, reduces Cognitive function, and pushes them into a "form" very similar to another we've seen. Slaveform, or the Parshmen, also have reduced Cognitive function, and are completely incapable of bonding with spren or detecting the rhythms. I believe that this is because the same portion of the Spiritual Aspect that integrates with the Spren in a proper form, or retracts in Dullform, is fully excised. The physical similarities between Slaveform and Dullform are not coincidence. They appear similar because they are both nearly the same thing. Dullform is just more complete Spiritually. The Last Legion The group of Singers that became the listeners were a part of the "Last Legion." a group that now seems to have been composed of Regals, connected to Ba-Ado-Mishram to gain Voidlight in the false desolation, and Mateforms out of necessity. And with the knowledge of those two Non-Voidforms, a group from the Last Legion adopted Dullform to escape their gods, inadvertently saving themselves from the excision forced on the rest of their race. I believe this was possible precisely because of the protective mechanism of Dullform. The spiritweb retracts, and the connection that BAM had forged with them all through the use of the Voidforms was also withdrawn. Whatever Melishi attempted that imprisoned BAM and simultaneously crippled every other living singer, was unable to reach out and excise the Spiritual Aspects of those in Dullform. To this use of the Surges, just as to a non-viable spren, that section of the spiritweb was already gone. The Rhythms In the Slaveform singers, the rhythms are completely absent. I belive that this is because the portion that was excised and integrates with spren is the exact same piece of the spiritweb that allows for the rhythms to be detected. In Slaveform, it is absent. In Dullform they are diminished. In a true form, they are filtered through the Spren, in the variety that we have always seen listeners sense them. In a Voidform, they are altered by the investiture that has corrupted the Spren. I think this is why all of the "new" rhythms are tinged with anger and disgust. They are the old rhythms, twisted into something hateful. To attune one of the rhythms that are familiar to the original forms is difficult for someone in a Voidform, and the majority of the time that we see Venli do it is in the presence of Timbre, making me think that her proto-bond may have helped to diminish the influence of the Voidspren in her gemheart. That's it for now. Tell me your thoughts. Tear it apart. Discuss.
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  5. Come on man, you're not supposed to discuss this outside the Obstetrician Spoiler Board
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  6. You know you're a Sanderfan when one of your Facebook friends says she is "looking for an OB" and your first thought is "She's looking for an Oathbringer?"
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  7. https://wob.coppermind.net/adv_search/?query=Marsh#4142 I came across this WoB that gained my curiosity I believe that these 'reasons I haven't spoken of yet' refer to Ruin's plan following the destruction of Scadrial. Ruin would have been free from the Scadrial system, intent on causing more destruction. If Ruin were to attack a shardworld he would likely reach a stalemate, similar to the current situation in Mistborn 2 involving Harmony and the red haze (Autonomy?). In order to conquer a world, Ruin would need to deploy ground forces just like the shard currently attacking Scadrial is doing. The inquisitors are Ruin's hands and would make the perfect tools for conquering world and bringing destruction in their wake. The timeframe involved in moving from world to world destroying as you go is far longer than an Inquisitors lifespan. The inquisitors age normally and can die of old age.... Unless they are using a feruchemical Atium spike. Ruin could supply the Inquisitors with Atium which they could use to attain immortality through compounding. I know that this is hardly relevant now but I still found it fun imagining events in a parallel universe where Ruin had won. Any thoughts?
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  8. "Eperon" is the left side of an ultra supamega supremus awesome person's brain. Mraize figured it out and turns out I know too(neither if us know for reals) Thus, Brandy died, and the muffins exploded, and the ghanderflaffle merged with Butt and Arnold to create a tri-shard Below is an image of a ghanderflaffle Arnold My perception of Butt And Brandy
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  9. Not as innocent as I wish I was. Thanks, high school. But yeah, yeah, sorry. On topic - Me in PMs*: *this specific scenario didn't happen
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  10. ”Inappropriate... like dividing by zero?”
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  11. Hemalurgy. It's a totally decentralized magic system. You can use it anywhere in the cosmere, as long as you know how. It doesn't require special spiritual genetics, a splinter-bond, or any kind of magical initiation. Just common things, like metal and savagery. It's even theoretically possible that, with a little hint from a worldhopper, a civilization could discover hemalurgy, study it in depth, and implement it on a huge scale, without ever realizing that they're harnessing the power of a Shard on a distant planet that they've never heard of. So here's my question. Are there other magic systems like that? And, if so, have we seen them? Is it possible that we've witnessed the magic of an unknown shard, and mistaken it for the work of a local shard, or a basic law of the cosmere? (Wouldn't hemalurgy look like that, if you used it without knowing of Ruin?) A few months ago I posted my theory about the remaining unnamed Shards of Adonalsium. Based on the logic of that theory, I proposed the existence of a shard called Artifice. Artifice is a counterpart to Cultivation, sharing her interest in progress and creation, but approaching it through more direct mechanical means. Artifice is a creator who makes no effort to disguise creation as evolution. Artifice is a god of creativity, ingenuity, and invention. (Ingenuity, of course, is a not-quite-canon Shard, much discussed on a recent Shardcast. It sounds like Ingenuity is a creativity-oriented Shard that has a definite place in the cosmere, but Brandon can't canonize it because he isn't happy with the name. Well, Brandon, how about Artifice? That's a cool name.) I theorized that Artifice's magic system would be a crafting system. That reminded me of this WoB: Based on the tone of that conversation, I'm guessing the thing that picks Elantrians isn't really a fabrial. I'm inclined to think it's an Avatar, or something like that. But that's not important. Look at the part that I underlined. So fabrials are a cosmere-wide phenomenon, with big implications for the later cosmere. (not unlike hemalurgy.) And clearly the standard spren-and-gemstone device that we've seen on Roshar is not the only kind of device that you could call a fabrial. Brandon has also confirmed that the construction of fabrials is a magic system in its own right, distinct from the others on Roshar: But we have little or no reason to believe that fabrial science is connected to any of the local shards. It may not even be native to Roshar. Combine this with its apparent universality, and I propose that the construction of fabrials is actually a non-localized magic system, like hemalurgy, connected to a currently unrevealed shard. And I think this points to the existence of a creative, mechanically-oriented shard, like my theoretical Artifice/Ingenuity. This fabrial magic system would manifest differently on different Shardworlds, using local Foci and interacting with local manifestations of investiture (magic systems). On Roshar, fabrials use spren, just like surgebinding does. On Scadrial it would work differently. I believe the many magical devices we saw in Bands of Mourning are the Scadrian manifestation of the fabrial system. The undeniable parallel is that both southern Scadrian and Rosharan artifabrians can create a mechanical device which mimics the abilities of a local magic-user. The south Scadrian airship lowers its mass, like a feruchemist. Their allomantic grenades can use allomancy, just like humans do. And on Roshar, we see fabrials that can heal like an Edgedancer, soulcast like a Lightweaver, and teleport like an Elsecaller. The construction of these Scadrian fabrials could be seen as very similar to the Rosharan variant. The power source is a reservoir of raw investiture fuel: a stormlight-infused gemstone, or an ettmetal battery. The other key component, which I'll call the Effect Generator, is another piece of investiture, comparable to innate investiture in humans, which determines the magical effect. In Rosharan fabrials the Effect Generator is a spren. In Scadrian ones it is most likely either a nicrosilmind or a hemalurgic spike, or something similar produced by the mysterious Excisor device. The third component, which connects the Effect Generator to the power source, is a metal apparatus, which I'm sure we'll find hidden inside most south Scadrian devices. This seems to reflect a basic rule of this magic system, or perhaps of the cosmere in general: an inanimate object can only use magic if it's metallic. Further speculations: Thoughts?
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  12. To all aspiring Fifth Oath Skybreakers - scaring people in the night and calling yourself Batman is not the way to achieve it.
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  13. Okay so I saw a few of the Explain a Film Plot badly things earlier and thought they were funny, so I decided to do them for the cosmere books. I think some of them are funny, so I decided to share them. Hopefully it'll at least get a few laughs. If anyone has any more or any different ones, please post them. Spoilers for the cosmere, obviously. I'll label each one just in case though. The Final Empire: Well of Ascension: Hero of Ages: Alloy of Law: Shadows of Self: Bands of Morning: Warbreaker: Elantris: I couldn't think of any for Stormlight, hopefully someone else can [EDIT by Moderator: This topic originally was solely cosmere but has moved beyond that, so I moved this to Entertainment Discussion.]
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  14. Could ideal 4 already be written out? It can't that simple but... Vasher did guide him to the third ideal. “Sometimes, Vasher wondered if the two weren’t really the same thing. Protect a flower, destroy the pests who wanted to feed on it. Protect a building, destroy the plants that could have grown in the soil. Protect a man. Live with the destruction he creates.” Excerpt From Warbreaker Brandon Sanderson
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  15. When the only reason you want to go to the family reunion is so you can talk to your Sanderfan cousins. And and aunt and uncle. Six in all, and my mom's about halfway done with tWoK. When you have a bag full of coins sitting next to your bed in case of an emergency.
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  16. From memory, Lift speaking to Gawx about Dalinar 'You can't trust him. He's got a tight butt' The explanation was just as entertaining.
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  17. That's a fascinating WoB, thank you for posting that. However, I want to point out that in your WoB Sanderson does not explicitly refute the OP's theory. He doesn't say anything about what would happen if you burned the metalmind, just that you couldn't feruchemically tap it anymore. He actually strongly suggests that there are some things you could do in this vein that would work: So I am going to predict that burning steel that used to be an ironmind would do something interesting. But not necessarily what you would expect it to do.
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  18. Obstetrician--a doctor who specializes in childbirth.
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  19. You know you're a Sanderfan when you make cookie dough, pop needles in them, and sell them..... *cough @Voidus cough*
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  20. I made some changes and I think I am going to file the rest of the comments and any future ones aside for after I rip the rest of the book apart. It is so easy to get hung up on my first twenty pages or so and I know there are major gaps later on. Thanks!
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  21. Actually compounding atium doesn't allow you to live forever. At least not how it was being done by TLR. It can keep you alive a very long time. Age is weird and is based on your connection. So essentially The Lord Ruler's connections kept trying to snap him back to his correct age. It is possible that Ruin would use a combination of of storing connection and atium to more efficiently reverse aging. Ruin's minions wouldn't need connection.
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  22. I certainly could be wrong, but I don't think Jasnah is gay, I think she's just had some things happen to her when she was younger (implied around the encounter with Amaram during OB) and as a result, she's been turned off to romance / marriage / relationships / emotional attachment ever since. I don't think it's impossible to see her re-evaluate these things given the right situation and the right person. I do agree with what some other folks have said about Kaladin though - while he definitely finds Jasnah attractive physically (noted in OB), if things played out where Jasnah wanted a political marriage with Kaladin, I'm not sure he'd go along with it, and I'd be glad that he didn't. I wouldn't want to see him enter into something like that if it's just cold and calculated only. It'll be interesting to see where things go, but I think Jasnah / Kaladin would be a fun relationship to read the development of from both of their POV, especially if it turned romantic.
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  23. This was my take on it as well. The parshmen in Slaveform seem to have been stripped of their spiritual identity. This is, as you said, achieved by an excision of the spiritweb. Dullform mimicking Slaveform to a less extreme extent supports your argument that Dullform is only a partial excision of the spiritweb. The partial excision of the spiritweb as a protective mechanism against unwillingly bonding a voidspren makes sense. A nahel bond fills cracks in the spiritweb so Venli's bond with Timbre is likely acting as a shield against the Voidspren integrating with her spiritweb. This would also put Venli in a tough spot as if she were to break her nahel bond through not following her ideals she would be exposed to a hostile takeover by the Voidspren. Edit: I just realised that this mechanism could allow a more peaceful resolution to the human-singer conflict. Jasnah proposes committing genocide as then the voidspren would have no Hosts. However, converting the parshmen into Radiants would have a similar effect and may be a large part of Venli's character arc next book.
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  24. Close, but the other way around, the WoB came about because we asked to see how plausible the character was.
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  25. When your mom tells you the doctor says your iron is running low, and you ask her how she knew you were an allomancer.
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  26. To get semi-back-on-topic: This recent conversation:
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  27. I think to make that sort of long term training plot be interesting you need to show quantifiable progress so the reader knows the story is going somewhere. Making sure that each training scene is different will help things from getting stale as well. You could also introduce some sort of subplot so the character is doing something else interesting aside from training. And if your character has somebody teaching them, make the student/teacher relationship really fun and interesting to read. Those are my suggestions. Keep up the good work!
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  28. Not a quip, per se. But just ran into this gem: Oh, Navani. Because even the Blackthorn needs to be on your schedule.
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  29. If you want you can practice on my posts
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  30. Thank you! Building off of some that have gone before... Mistborn: The Well of Ascension (and The Hero of Ages):
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  31. Mistborn Era 1: Warbreaker: Elantris: Secret History:
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  32. She was also a heretic, and it does not appear that she was particularly well liked. I'm not really sure how much it actually would mean to Adolin, in particular; they're too far apart in age to have conceivably been raised together, and Jasnah seems to have spent most of her time away from court. Most likely he didn't see her death as being much more personally relevant than the death of some distant cousin from a Cadet branch of the family. I need to see this happen. I'm not sure what that was; I'm sorry.
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  33. So, this is an incomplete theory about what, if anything, the ultimate antagonist in the Cosmere will end up being. We have two Shards that resulted in major villains (Ruin and Odium). Some suspect Autonomy to be antagonistic, it seems... But now let's suppose at some point the previous "evil" Shards are all held by no one (e.g. Sazed/Harmony loses hold of Ruin), and then someone else comes along and takes them all up... Or maybe there's an anti-Hoid out there, and Hoid isn't trying to reforge Adonalsium but prepare for his nemesis...
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  34. Yeah I love Lift , someone said one day that Sanderson claimed their were 3 autistic characters in Oathbringer , everyone immediately thought of Renarin. No one even considered Lift and Teravangion Who are both textbook autistic spectrum people. Next time she saw him she was like Hey tight butt... I couldn’t stop laughing!
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  35. Sadly, it would not work that way.
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  36. Little Trivia: Worm has a parahuman named Sundancer who can do exactly this. Not unless they are literally spitting as they speak, no That would be a different power, although kind of a funny one. Biting comments literally bite people, a heated conversation literally raises their body temperature Huh. Well for what it’s worth, I’m pretty sure a lot of epics accidentally pick a name that somebody on the other side of the continent is also using... Would be funny if at some point we had two characters in Edmonton with the same epic nickname and they became rivals because of it.
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  37. To all members, moderators, admins, and staff of the 17th Shard, Hello. I will start this off frankly and honestly. I created a second account, @Sentinel of Darkshire, just over a week after I got my original account. And I essentially used it to troll people. Anyway, I didn't have much of a reason to create it anyway, except I kind of wanted to join multiple social guilds to feel more advantage than most. I ended up using it as a vent for frustration (mistake #8) which totally transformed me into insulting people for no reason. It snowballed from there, by self-upvoting myself and treating others like idiots. I was incredibly, undeniably a jerk. Here's the thing. Sentinel, well, isn't me. (Although I still claim the name because it sounds cool.) It is me, I was indeed the one insulting people in the first place, but that wasn't me. That was Sentinel, my jerk-for-fun self. I would insult, annoy, and hurt people with what I hope none of you would see in me if you knew me in real life. That was banned to the far reaches of my self the day Sentinel was banned. I should be banned too. I broke the rules, and not just any rules, ban-worthy rules.(albeit completely unbeknownst to me, though it should have been obvious to me, I knew exactly what I was doing.) Instead, I got off by the generosity of Chaos and Rubix with just the moderation queue, and a warning that if I ever behave badly enough again, (hopefully an accidental double-post or unintentional insult is not bad enough, though pretty much anything worse than that is) I will be banned. So, I guess what I'm trying to say, in all honesty, is that I am sorry. I truly am. Best, BitBitio.
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  38. *claps at the maps a lot*
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  39. Overall: I thought it started out a bit rough. I get that they planned to get together and do the heist but it still feels a bit lost in the beginning, like he is wandering around and doesn’t know what to do. Though it didn’t hit its stride until the end it landed well. A few confusing parts at the end but that looks like it would be easily take care of. During the reading: -The first paragraph’s ending was a little confusing to me. Maybe released would be a better word choice then turned out? And you talk about him entering jail in the same sentence as he is being released, feels kind of off to me. -Not a bit fan of body parts doing things on their own as description, but that is likely just me -Can he actually play the instrument? I thought it was just a prop, maybe I missed something? -They took the iron? Is there some significance there? -I like how the magic is centered on the marrow. -Why is the gap to the yard important, is that where the attacker comes out? -I am not getting a lot of emotion from his brother…You said his eyes were filled with tears, other then that just hitting, seems mechanical. -Ok on page 19 I am getting some emotion, but it’s a little late, makes if feel off. Especially when they have kind of normal conversation a little later -Beer and a nip? Is that some British/Scottish thing? -I think the internal deliberation at the end of pg 20 and through pg 21 needs work. It might help if you switched the order of the thoughts. Being afraid of her first then talk about him considering his family. The whole section just felt wonky to me. -The events in pg 22, does he have a plan? Its seems like he is just going through the motions, being comfortably numb and not doing anything, if you will. -“I hove to the Captain’s Locker”? Is hove a word I am unfamiliar with, or is this some typo? -pg 23 he used a little alertness, I understand that he is using the power that the gets but the phrasing seems awkward. -Is G’s reaction to the soldiers fear or anger? I understand he looked nervous but that doesn’t tell me all that much. -J putting an arm around G seems kinda forced. Seems to intimate for the way they have been interacting until then. Maybe a hand on the shoulder? -The first full paragraph in pg 27 is confusing, not sure what “His mind moved first” means and the movement is jumbled, its hard to get through. -got easier to follow later in pg 27, last part made me laugh….idiot, lol -Not really getting the description of the caster with D…glass glove? Cloaked in rusty red? Held above his head? It rhymes but I don’t really know what that means. Doesn’t give a clear picture.
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  40. You know you're a Sanderfan when this happens: Friend: so, forgetting anything? Me: what? Friend: it's my birthday, how could you forget? Me: sorry, my copperminds are so messy... Friend: *facepalm*
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  41. A man spends the night drinking at various bars across town. On his way back home, he suddenly remembers that his wife had told him not to go drinking. As he's trying to think up a good excuse for why he was out all night, he passes a music shop. Neither he nor his wife are musicians, so he flips through a book for beginning musicians and comes across the word syncopation. Later, when he gets home, his wife confronts him. "Were you out drinking again?" she demands. "Nope, I was doing syncopation," the man says smugly. His wife, having no idea what this means, goes to look up the word in a dictionary. She finds this definition. Syncopation (noun): "Unsteady movement from bar to bar." (yep, that's a wah, wah, waaaaaah joke. ) True story: I played the French horn when I was in band, back in my middle school days. I joined the school's jazz band (obviously, since that's the genre of music you immediately think of when someone says "French horn"), and I was always surprised when they didn't have any sheet music for me.
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  42. At this point it's not so much that Jasnah is actively looking for a mate or romantic entanglement. It's more that she can no longer ignore convention like she did when she was just a princess and not in line for any type of throne. If she had married, whatever bloke captured the brass ring would have used her position to gain political power and a favorable ear to the king, meanwhile restricting her choices and providing an obstacle to her persuing her studies. Even if that's not what would have happened, she would believe it so based on observations of her parents. Now however she must think dynastically. She must secure her rule. The fastest and most efficient way to do so is to marry someone, make him Prince Consort and pop out a babe or 2. There are other ways to secure her rule and she very well may explore them but there's a war on. There may not be time to come up with an unorthodox solution, one that will keep the jackals at bay and the knives off her back. Having Kaladin play the role of Prince Consort is probably the very best option out there. He's the leader of the new power in the land, he has the respect of Dalinar and his cohort, he's handsome and fierce and quite unlikely to either betray her or restrict her dwindling freedom. My issues with the union aren't with Jasnah but with Kaladin. Jasnah has been immersed in politics since birth; she learned the moves at her mother's breast. She has the temperment to make a pragmatic decision such as marrying someone for dynastic reasons instead of romantic ones. But Kaladin is a passionate, impulsive dude. It's difficult for me to picture him marrying anyone for convenience or political necessity. We've seen him struggle with difficult choices and politically he can be maneuvered. To fulfill the role he needs coaching. To have the marriage fit his Oaths he must at least like her. Jasnah may like Kaladin a little bit and the potential for friendship is there from her end. But are the feelings mutual? We don't know; Kaladin was pretty fixed on Jasnah's ward until pretty much the end of OB. And romantic feelings or not, Jasnah will turn Kaladin into a glass statue if she thinks Kaladin has wandering eyes. At any rate Kaladin has his pick of the litter if he ever takes a second to put down the Sylspear and look. At this point he might as well be Dalinar's middle child, a landowner in his own right, and has a seat at the table on Roshar's most important councils. Jasnah is certainly attractive, but will Kaladin prefer someone closer to his own age?
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  43. Obligatory (Spoilered for size): (Also, I hope those links work since I'm at work and can't actually see them. I'm trusting to @WeiryWriter's old post). EDIT: My phone tells me everything worked out fine
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  44. We've seen the "buzzing cubes" charge up with Allomancy, but I don't think we've seen them "charge up" with Feruchemical attributes. In particular, we've seen the "grenades" get charged with a power that is then released from the cube after a time delay, but only powers with external effects: Leeching, Steelpushing, and time bubble forming. It's not clear what would happen if you charged a cube with an Allomantic power with an internal effect, like tin, bronze, or gold. Would it just affect the cube itself (to no obvious effect), or would it settle on the closest person in range and apply the internal effect to them (that doesn't seem reasonable to me)? Or all people within range (seems even less reasonable/more OP to me)? Meanwhile, Feruchemy is all about internal effects - all the tapped attributes go directly to the Feruchemist, and no one else. So even if the cubes could charge with Feruchemy, I think whatever happens when you charge them with an internal Allomantic power would give some insight as to what happens with the Feruchemical charge. Personally, I think if you charged a cube with A-gold, it would just end up having the cube see a second, alternate version of itself that nobody else could see where it was charged with a more useful power, and each would envy/despise the other There have been other posts speculating on using these "grenades" to nest or to stack external Allomantic effects in an exponentially compounding way, like having time bubbles inside time bubbles inside time bubbles. Or "chaining" Nicroburst effects. What I want to know is if A-nicrosil is applicable to other magic systems. Imagine tossing a nicrosil grenade at Kaladin just as he Lashed himself upwards to fly, causing him to put all of his Stormlight into his Lashing and sending him flying up with no more Stormlight to slow himself down when he reached the apex. Oh no.
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  45. I would probably say Szeth, but not because I don't like him, because I think he's awesome. It just hurts me to read about how broken he is.
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  46. I’ll try to address what I think Adolin should have done. For starters I think a big part of the issue for me is that he just doesn’t question Shallan on this enough. He says she becomes “other people.” She kind of implies that so that’s where he gets the idea and then she never corrects him because at some point she seems to think that herself. I’ve already gone into detail on why I don’t believe Veil and Radiant are “other people.” But the problem with that is, if he thinks she is just playing roles, why doesn’t he question why one of the roles is in love with another man? He thinks Shallan is in love with Kaladin and she claims she just likes looking at him and it’s all Veil who is attracted to him. I guess he assumes she just gets so deep into the role but it doesn’t make any sense. Veil is not a person that exists outside of Shallan so there would be no need for her to emulate someone else’s feelings. Those feelings do come from her. Adolin just accepts that rather lame excuse and Shallan manages to overwhelm him into marrying her despite his doubts. He should challenge her more, ask her more questions, try to actually understand what is going on, rather than just taking her at her word. Essentially that is what I think Kaladin would do if he knew Veil and Radiant existed. I just can’t see him letting that go and not trying to understand more. As @SLNC said he has good reason to believe that Shallan sometimes acts like Veil and Radiant because he has seen her with those traits (ones Shallan admits she hides from Adolin). He does notice a difference in her attitude towards him between Shallan and Veil once she starts splitting that in Kholinar but he doesn’t have enough information to even guess at what is going on nor is he in a position to demand answers from her as Adolin is. People may bring up how Kaladin seems to admire her ignoring her pain (based on the conversation they have in Shadesmar) but I think the reason that conversation went so sideways is because he doesn’t know Veil and Radiant exist. What he is thinking of is the Shallan he saw in the chasms who was far more whole, not the fracturing she has been doing since which he is unaware of. He saw a woman who had experienced pain that would be crippling for most (as it had been for Kaladin at times), but she was able to smile and go on living. That’s what he admires and that fits with the image Wit shows Shallan of the Shallan who stands up, who has all the painful memories underneath but covers that with forgiveness for herself.
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  47. Super long post warning but I will put some parts behind a spoiler tag to make it a little more manageable. My opinion on this question has changed completely since I first finished OB. I believe a surface read of this aspect of the book would likely lead to one conclusion while in depth discussion and a very detailed reread has led me to another. Initially I thought it was over, Shadolin was the conclusion and to me it was an extremely dissatisfying one. It seemed as though Brandon chose the quickest, easiest way to end the love triangle (that never really was). This seems to be what a lot of readers actually were hoping for (a speedy, low drama end) so I can understand why if that is your view you wouldn’t want to look further at it. That’s not me however, so after much discussion and rereading I am now convinced it isn’t over and feel much more satisfied with the quality of this aspect of the story as a result. I’ll lay out some of the major reasons that convinced me that it isn’t over. If I had to sum it up in with one argument I would say that in order to see the ending of Shallan’s romantic arc in OB as satisfying, I believe it is necessary to accept that Adolin actually chose a whole, real Shallan when he squeezed her hand and she thought, “That’s the one. That’s the one I am. He knows.” If instead you believe as I do now that he actually chose the one personality that she had shown him and presented as her true self, it is much harder to see the wedding as a satisfying end to this arc. Honestly even if he had known and been able to identify a true, whole Shallan I still would have had a problem with the way it was written because it would depict Shallan as completely dependent on Adolin to know herself. But having it not even be her whole self is even worse. Let me explain in more detail from the text why I believe that the Shallan he recognized was not her whole self but a persona. So at the end Shallan (apparently the Shallan persona based on the above evidence) thinks that Veil and Radiant are not her, but is she correct? There is a lot of evidence both in text and out of text that Shallan is wrong. Most likely she knows this deep down, but is lying to herself and not facing things that she doesn’t want to, which is her usual pattern. So let’s look at the words of both Wit and Brandon for evidence that Veil and Radiant are actually Shallan. When Veil has her breakdown in Kholinar, and Wit tells her the story of the Girl Who Stood Up, he refers to the personas as Shallan’s “other minds” and that she is the one who “birthed them.” He shows her illusions of herself, including one that is standing which Shallan senses has all of her pain and memories, which have been smothered by, “Forgiveness. For herself.” Shallan says she cannot be that person, but Wit tells her, “I only see one woman here. And it’s the one who is standing up. Shallan, that has always been you. You just have to admit it. Allow it. It’s all right to hurt.” These words are echoed back to Shallan at an interesting time. In Part 4, she is drawing and realizes it is childish: “Veil was seeping out. That has always been you, Shallan. You just have to admit it, allow it.” This is a clear statement that Veil is Shallan, with Wit's words saying that is her coming immediately after Veil appears. As for the WoB, we have this: These indicate that Veil and Radiant are not separate people from Shallan and in fact he places Veil and Shallan on equal footing in the second quote as both are described as “personalities.” He doesn’t actually name which two personalities he means, but from the text it is clear that by the end the Veil personality is in love with Kaladin and the Shallan personality is in love with Adolin. Radiant is never said to be in love with anyone. Early on it is said that she likes Adolin and it is clear that Shallan has some intention that Radiant could be the perfect bride for Adolin but in the end Radiant also chooses Kaladin (though from a logical not emotional standpoint). So by the end Shallan has become the dominant personality, pushing Veil and Radiant (who both would choose Kaladin) to the side. She tells herself that they are not her but this conflicts with textual evidence and the WoB. There’s a lot more to break down in the pre-wedding scene but I will save that for another post because this is already too long. Suffice it to say when you really break down that scene there are some alarming indications that not all is well which provides some additional evidence that this isn’t over. In the end I just can’t believe that if Brandon wanted us to be satisfied with Shadolin that he would have written it this way. Again, I can understand how the immediate impression would be that Shadolin is end game, because they are married and Shallan says she loves him and she thinks that Adolin knows her, but a lot of that falls apart with further inspection. I definitely understand how people that aren’t that into romantic arcs in general or hate love triangles or really wanted Shadolin to begin with might view it differently, but the text has convinced me to change my mind on it.
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  48. Gordon was just minding his own buisness, sitting on a street corner, the day CorpseMaker disappeared. He was one of the first to find out about it though. After all, that was his Buisness. Information. CorpseMaker was presumed dead. They had found a body, barely recognizable as human, on the sidewalk in front of the old Capitol One bank that he used as a Lair. They weren't sure it was him, but no one else was missing. Either way, people probably wouldn't be caring about that now. Who care'd about a dead Epic? Only people like me, people who work for the Reckoners. He sold information to Epics and reckoners alike, though he occasionally gave false Info to Epics. He had gotten two killed by reckoners that way. But CorpseMaker, who had killed him? That was valuable info. No one had know his weakness. It was a mystery. One that Gordon was determined to solve. But for now, he had an appointment to meet. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ten minutes later, a man wearing a blind fold and a small backpack rounded the corner, and stopped next to Gordon. The man looked directly at him, despite his blindfold. "Hey, Sir? Are you Joe? someone said you wanted some goods?" Might as well see if this blind man was the right man. "Altermind. What do you know about his powers and weaknesses?" The man kept staring right at him. Rust but that was creepy. "Altermind? He's an Illusionist Epic, uh, Mental one I think. Pretty intelligent too. He's also a telekinetic. Move things with his mind. Pretty cool to Watch I'm told." Carefully, without making any noise, Gordon sidled to the left a couple feet. The blind man's gaze followed him. "What about his doings?" Does he consort with any Epics?" Most clients were a lot more cautious then this. And were more suspicious. This guy was creepy. "Look man, I'm going to have to verify that you can afford this information, I don't cross powerful epics for nothing." The man stared at him, then shrugged off his backpack, and tossed it to Gordon. Gordon caught it, and knelt down to open it. It was entirely full, of cash. 100 dollar bills mostly. "What the, where did you get all this?" "Is it sufficent?" This guy was either rich, an Epic, or part of a large organization. "Yeah man. So, Altermind, he doesn't really hang out with any Epics, other than Scorch and Flashpoint, his right hands. He doesn't like the normal people, throws them out of his town, unless they're smart enough to pass his test. I actually passed it, about a month back." If he was a Reckoner, He wasn't with the cell that Gordon usually worked with. "Does he kill vani- Humnas? or Epics?" Vani-? Vanillas? Regular people? Storms, this guy was definetly Epic. And going after Altermind. An Epic. Hunting other Epics. CorpseMaker's mysterious death. At his lair, the Bank. and a Backpack full of Benjamins. "Rust and Ruin. You killed CorpseMaker? Ah I mean, not to pry into your business, your Epicness, I mean. ah, Altermind! Ah, no, he hasn't killed anyone that I know of. Human or epic. Um. You can have you money back sir, please don't hurt me." A small part of Gordon's mind noted that he was crouching and cowering. That part of his mind was ignored for now. "I don't kill vanilla's. And yes, I did kill CorpseMaker, as well as his lackey, SwordArm. That was SwordArm's body in front of the bank. And thank you for your information. I will return if I need more. If anyone asks, I'm SightLine." The man turned around and walked back around the corner. Nearly five minutes later, Gordon felt safe enough to pick himself up off the ground, and hurry home.
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