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    Okay so I saw a few of the Explain a Film Plot badly things earlier and thought they were funny, so I decided to do them for the cosmere books. I think some of them are funny, so I decided to share them. Hopefully it'll at least get a few laughs. If anyone has any more or any different ones, please post them. Spoilers for the cosmere, obviously. I'll label each one just in case though. The Final Empire: Well of Ascension: Hero of Ages: Alloy of Law: Shadows of Self: Bands of Morning: Warbreaker: Elantris: I couldn't think of any for Stormlight, hopefully someone else can [EDIT by Moderator: This topic originally was solely cosmere but has moved beyond that, so I moved this to Entertainment Discussion.]
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    All right guys. We can finally tell you about the WoB Archive we have been working on for a long, long time. It has a name, too! It's Arcanum: the Brandon Sanderson Archive. We've been very hard at work with Arcanum. Our team of Arcanists have done great work on it, and we will have things from the Words of Radiance tour to the present day in our system in our launch. In addition we have annotations and a variety of things prior to 2014 (though that stuff isn't finished). It's been much more time consuming than you'd expect, as we've painstakingly gone through the Shadowdays of WoBs to find all sorts of audio files, and then transcribe them in our system. There's a bunch of new stuff we've acquired that's never been seen before, too! As the Ideals of the Edgedancers say: I will remember WoBs that have been forgotten I will listen to audio that has been ignored I think that's how they went, I'm pretty sure... Of course, you all want to know when Arcanum launches. That will be November 8th, 2017. We said it was going to be before Oathbringer release, and it is! You'll be able to upload all your audio from the Oathbringer tour into Arcanum. It works, and it is glorious. Stay tuned, and we'll finally get to show it all to you on November 8th.
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    Silly humans, that's just the pile of loot you get when you beat the boss monster.
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    Simple theory, but profound historical Rosharan implications. The girl who looked up tells the story of a girl who climbed a wall forbidden wall only to find on the other side that she was the monster all along. On the other side they also had Stormlight, and Storms. After she climbed her people experienced these things as well. (Ostensibly). Meanwhile, we have some interesting facts. Shinovar is behind a giant wall of mountains. The storms have no power there. There are few (or no?) Spren. There may not be any Stormlight (unconfirmed). Shinovar has a typical ‘human’, Yolish environment, whereas the rest of Roshar is profoundly alien. The Shin religion holds walking on stone to be profane, meaning religious shin can never leave their valley. The Shin also see using Stormlight as illumination to be profoundly disturbing, implying it’s too holy to use like that and that they don’t have/use Stormlight. Meanwhile, the Listeners were the native rulers of Roshar, who have since been delegated to a slave species. THEORYTIME: The stone shamans prohibition against walking on stone wasn’t originally strictly religious; it was part of a deal, a treaty. Humans settled on Roshar in the Shinovar valley, likely with shardic or other magical help (dawnsingers?), but either way some serious terraforming was done to create a ‘wall’ and to give the valley soil. A deal was made with the Listeners (possibly by the humans, possibly by the shard or dawnsingers that helped set up Shinovar) that the Humans wouldn’t cross over the wall; that it would be illegal for them to walk on the bare rock or Roshar. Thus the humans (likely refugees?) were able to settle an enclave of Roshar in peace. Generations pass, and reasons may have been forgotten (or simply prohibitions and restrictions ignored). It’s possible too that new humans came to the valley of truth or any number of things. But what happened was that someone climbed the wall, and broke the treaty. After that, or as part of that, more humans came over the wall from Shinovar and began to colonize Roshar. Were they adventurers and colonists? Were they refugees fleeing ethnic discrimination by the Shin? Were they ‘truthless’, banished from the valley? Or did they just want new lands to settle? Either way, significant populations of humans crossed the mountains and began to spread throughout Roshar, stealing the fire from the gods and opening Pandora’s box, all at once. This began the millennia long struggle between Humans and Listeners (although it may have had long stretches of peace, commingling and cooperation - see the herdazians and horneaters). Likely, it is the human/listener tensions that Odium was attracted to/fanned into the flames of war and hatred, leading to the cycle of desolations where Odium would infiltrate both sides and seed them with voidbringers. Eventually, the Listeners being more naturally susceptible to Spren bonds and having more righteous anger against the humans were suborned en masse by Odium. (Alethi and Iriali are both ethnically interesting with their hair - likely they arrived on Roshar later). Tl;dr - Stone shamanism is a memory of early humanities treaties with the Listeners, and The Girl Who Looked Up is about those treaties starting to fall apart/early human forays from the valley of Truth.
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    “I think that in a coming highstorm, Queen Fen of Thaylenah is going to have a quite remarkable experience.” Of all things, who would have thought Dalinar would become a master hacker capable of uploading Stormfather.exe to the stubborn. Navani feels like the type of person who would keep a list of all the people who mocked him for his highstorm visions too...
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    I wonder if attaching GIFs works...
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    From the album Vianki's Fanart scenes

    I have always loved the scene where Kaladin overcomes his fear and flies for the first time. This is how I picture his view. (painting the lighting from multiple, differently colored, moons is storming difficult!) Oil on canvas.
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    Calling it now. The mystery project is Stormlight 5, which he needed to write so he could figure out how to write Stormlight 4.
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    Entire story in the theatre and girl climbing is a 'human race memory' of the time humans arrived from Yolen / Ashyn / wherever to Roshar system. The wall is just a mountains around Shinovar, and the village where a girl lived was a Shinovar itself. Behind the wall there was a 'stormlight' - a way of saying that the mountains shielded humans from highstorms. It was all set up (like someone else theorized) by a Cultivation as a way to protect people not acustomed to the local forms of life. Minor addition : possibly, the people were allowed on Roshar by Listeners only as long as they stay in Shinovar, and Listeners created a control system / watch on the rim to keep humans there. So say we all.
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    I recently concluded my Stormlight reread, in preparation for the new book I’m sure you’ve all heard is coming out. I paid special attention to several topics, like the religious tenets of Roshar and their perception of the afterlife. I need to start by crediting FeatherWriter for her well-construed theory about the Rosharan afterlife; without it, it’s entirely possible that the observations I make below would have passed me by. But, though she did write a good theory, a lot has happened in the cosmere since the publication of Words of Radiance, like Mistborn: Secret History and the Rosharan Essay in Arcanum Unbounded, that give new clues to life after death in the cosmere and the principles that govern such behavior. Her topic is not a prerequisite to understanding this one; I intend to build every point up from the ground, to come to a more specific interpretation. But since her work was an inspiration, it would be a disservice to neglect. Reflections of Radiancy Vorinism. The religion of Eastern Roshar, the home of the Knights Radiant. As seen by Dalinar in the vision where he fights alongside two Radiants: Radiants were not evenly spread over Roshar; they were centered in the east, in ancient Alethela. I believe that their proximity to the eastern nations led to the local religion to emulate the Radiants; when you have such deific figures present nearby, it would make sense for not only Alethela but the also bordering nations of Valhav and Natanatan to base their religious customs around them. There are several Vorin traditions, first presented in Words of Radiance, that have obvious ties, from the reader’s perspective, to the trappings of the Radiants and their mission. The first is explicitly laid out by Shallan: She connects the formal right to open borders with the ability to travel through the Oathgates. Though an astute observation, I believe she has mistakenly reversed the causality of the matter. Instead of the Oathgates being a natural progression of the Right of Travel, I think Vorin beliefs were initially formed by the ease of travel made possible by the Oathgates. (I believe the Oathgates may be responsible for the original shaping of the ten Dawncities through Realmatics, and the intentional abuse thereof by humans the method of the destruction of Stormseat. But that’s a tangent, and not terribly relevant at the moment. Suffice to say that the Right of Travel is drawn from the Radiants and their Oathgates.) Another Vorin tradition we learn about is not understood as a connection to anything deeper by the characters, but I’m sure any wary reader of Stormlight will recognize the reference: The Right of Challenge is a Vorin tradition that Sadeas used to duel Yenev during the reunification of Alethkar, and that Adolin almost successfully used to duel Sadeas on-screen in Words of Radiance. But I think it is apparent that the ancient tradition they reference is not primarily a thing of Rosharan culture; instead, it is almost assuredly referring to the ‘rules’ that Tanavast says Odium is bound by, and the reference to a champion. There is admittedly much consternation among the fanbase as to the meaning of those lines about a champion and who may potentially be a champion for Honor or for Odium. But, as with the Right of Travel, the key principle is that modern Vorinism has traditions that are based on much older rules, reflections of something broader. Glyphwards may be another similar reflection. In the present day, their prayers to the Almighty are written out as glyphs and then burned, or drawn in flammable ink to form a glyph out of flames. This is reminiscent of glowing glyphs of power in the old days. From one of Dalinar’s old visions: I’m curious if there was magic behind ancient glyphs. If there was, that could be the inspiration of modern glyphwards: glowing glyphs granted power, so the people would make glowing glyphs of their own by using flammable inks. Which then devolved into just lighting them on fire, because people are perpetually unimaginative in all areas save methods of destruction. One further reflection that I see is embedded deeper in Vorinism, in the Devotaries: A single ideal; just like the Radiant Orders would pursue. Before Words of Radiance was released, I thought that Dalinar was going to become a Stoneward, because his Devotary was associated with Taln; as it happened, he became a Bondsmith, so I suppose he’s like Ym and would have been attractive to multiple kinds of spren. But back to the topic at hand, Vorinism adopted the Radiant concept of ideals and oaths. The ardents Elevate people in their Callings as they progress; Adolin was unable to be Elevated because he wasn’t allowed to duel during Way of Kings. This is too much to be a coincidence; it must be a reflection of Radiant traditions in Vorinism. Shades of Truth Formal Vorinism is not the only place to look for hints of the Radiants. Darkeyes don’t spend much time with the ardents, aside from vocational training, but their beliefs are made evident through their daily speech. Specifically, through their superstitions and through their curses. I will not attempt to document instances where Vorin individuals, upper class and lower, curse using the Almighty, the Heralds, or the Stormfather. If anyone doubts that such phrases occur, then I would encourage you to open to nearly any page in either Stormlight book, and you’ll almost certainly find a “Kelek’s breath” or “Nalan’s hand.” These curses are not merely superficial: one, in particular, by the leathery-faced bridgeman reflects the dark secret that nine of the Heralds bear: His knowledge of that particular piece of information is quite puzzling to me, since I cannot fathom how awareness of the Heralds’ betrayal has made its way into vernacular expressions. But regardless of the specific explanation for that line, it shows that the common people of Alethkar do somehow know of Heraldic things, even only in an unconscious way through their linguistic expressions. Very telling to me is one piece of superstition that is brought up three separate times by darkeyes: the Shades of the Knights Radiant. First when Kaladin was in the slave wagons, second when he watched Gaz recover his spheres after a Highstorm, and third in a flashback with Kaladin and Tien talking about a home that was destroyed during a highstorm. The presence of the Radiants in the Highstorm is significant because the eye of the storm is not entirely in the Physical Realm; as best I can understand, it is the eminent candidate for Honor’s mobile perpendicularity. When Way of Kings was first released, the only glimpse we had of an afterlife was the Returned in Warbreaker, where the dead returned in physical form. Further elaborations in Mistborn and Arcanum Unbounded will prove relevant, but I will hold off to discuss the specific realmatic phenomenon I believe is happening until further below. For the moment, suffice to say that there is mechanism for souls to remain in the Cognitive Realm after the body has died, and that a window to the Cognitive Realm through the highstorm may provide a method for those souls to interact with the Physical Realm once again. The Heraldic Forces Having thus established the concept of Vorin beliefs potentially being drawn from the traditions of the Radiants, the time has come to evaluate the most prominent of Vorin doctrine known to us, one which is repeated time and time again throughout the text. There are many references in Way of Kings, and to a lesser extent Words of Radiance, to the Vorin belief in the afterlife. I will not attempt a comprehensive compilation of such quotes, but I will present the most complete citation I could find: Vorinism teaches that the dead fight the Voidbringers in an army called the Heraldic Forces (the name being the only piece of theology that isn’t explicitly laid out in the above quote). Is there truth behind these teachings? I do not believe it is literal; too many of their other teachings appear to be truths about the Radiants, turned into theological principles for the common people. I strenuously doubt that a follower of Vorinism, no matter how devout they may be, could attain to join the armies in the Tranquiline Halls. But I do think the Heraldic Forces are real. I just think they are comprised of Radiants. Let us the a mechanism in the cosmere for souls to remain after death. In all the cosmere books, there are similarities between the fundamental principles; in fact, on one planet, they are even called Shades! But the technical term for these ghosts is ‘Cognitive Shadows.’ There is something very important required for this to happen, for a soul to remain in the Cognitive Realm after it has separated from its body: a large piece of Investiture. There is debate, both among readers in our world and scholars in the cosmere, as to the exact function of this piece of Investiture. When someone dies, separating their soul from their physical body, that soul will move Beyond after several moments disappearing to a place of great mystery, the true afterlife. But a large piece of Investiture can cause the soul to stay in the Cognitive Realm without moving on; it may be that the Investiture serves as an anchor (as is my belief), or it may be that the Investiture imprints on a soul and copies it such that the being effectively persists after their soul has moved Beyond. The exact nature of the piece of Investiture can vary. We’ve seen a shardpool allow this in Mistborn, a Splinter of Endowment (divine Breath) in Warbreaker, and a splinter of Ambition in Shadows for Silence. Khriss writes in the Rosharan Essay in Arcanum Unbounded that there may be Cognitive Shadows on Braize. If this is the case, how did they get there? There is no mechanism for pedestrian individuals to be connected to a large piece of Investiture. But there are Splinters of Honor and Cultivation (and various mixtures of their Investiture), on Roshar, which tie themselves to someone’s soul. Spren, who bond with Radiants. There is precedence which I think shows that Radiants, suffused with Investiture and tightly bound with their spren, can remain as a Cognitive Shadow, joining the Heraldic Forces. But we also need to understand the totality of the requirements. What determines whether someone has a strong enough bond to remain, if their ties to the Investiture are sufficient to allow them to persist? Look back at the Vorin belief: only the best join the Heralds. They need to have fulfilled their Calling. I think this means that Radiants must have said all five Oaths; only then will the bond be strong enough to tie them permanently to the Cognitive Realm. There is more that can be drawn from Vorinism. Just like the Heraldic forces are so much more than soldiers, the Radiants aren’t all combat-focused orders. They all have a place in the war against the Void. The specific powers associated with the Heraldic forces above seem like Surges; the farmer is using Progression, and the soldier may be using Division. This makes it appear that the magics persist in the Rosharan afterlife; this is not what we see in Mistborn, but the piece of Investiture that allowed that character persist was not what gave him magic in the first place. In Warbreaker, they can use their Splinters to accomplish magic; their Divine Breaths appear to just be larger versions of the normal Investiture of that world. Radiants vs Surgebinders But if Vorinism got their concept of Callings from the Radiant version of Ideals, where did the Radiants get their doctrine from originally? Several characters, like Jasnah and Kaladin, insist that they are not Radiants, even though they are definitely pursuing the Ideals of those Orders. I think the attainment of the fifth Oath is a final qualification of Radiancy, when they become a true Knight Radiant, but any Surgebinder is limited by the Ideals of an Order. The difference between Radiants and Surgebinders is just that a Surgebinder hasn’t said all the oaths yet. But I don’t believe this has always been true: The “precepts and laws” must be the Ideals; you cannot be a Surgebinder without following an Ideal, joining an Order. That much is plain. But examine the specific chronology: there were already Surgebinders for Ishar to threaten at the time he established the Orders, meaning that, at one point, it was possible to be a Surgebinder without first saying Oaths! I believe Nohadon lived in this time, during a Desolation where they fought thunderclasts, and not yet the Void-bound Listeners: I think this passage predates Ishar’s alignment of the Orders; I think that spren could bond whoever they felt attracted to, without the specifics that we see in modern Roshar. There are further elements of Radiance that are missing in this passage; Nohadon refers to himself as a Surgebinder (unless there is another explanation for his ‘divine gifts’), but he stands in a war zone without Shardplate. It is possible that Shardplate, Shardblades, squires, all the other trappings of the Knights, had not been laid out yet, and Nohadon merely bonded a spren and gained the ability to Surgebind. In fact, I don’t believe there is any fundamental difference between a bond between a Radiant and their spren, and what we’ve seen in Elantris with the seons: Source. Seons, Splinters of Devotion from Elantris, can grant powers if they go to Roshar. Nightblood, essentially an artificial Splinter of Endowment, appears to be bonding with Szeth. Splinters, regardless of the world they are from, can apparently bond with humans. I think that it’s a quirk of the planet and language that the Rosharans actually have a word for this – spren symbiosis is such a common thing on that planet, with greatshells, skyeels, and Listeners all forming bonds with spren, that they came up with a name for a bond between a splinter and a human. Other planets just call it a bond, because they don’t need to be any more specific, but I think they are all Nahel bonds. But there are extra things going on in Roshar. There is a popular theory that the bond is the Focus of Surgebinding, much like metals are in Mistborn. I like that idea; the kind of bond you have, the kind of spren you are joined with, determines what powers you get. But there is an additional restriction, one that Ishar imposed. He apparently had great power of the fundamental behavior of Rosharan magic, and he limited the spren of Honor and Cultivation so that they could only grant powers and progress their bond if their bondsmen met specific requirements: the advancement of Oaths related to the Heralds’ behaviors. This not only granted them the advancement of the bond with their spren and associated Surgebinding power, but presumably the other formalized benefits of their Order, like creation of Blade and Plate, and the ability to bond squires. By placing these limits on Surgebinders, he was able to restrict Nahel bonds so that they would not advance to fulfillment unless a Surgebinder behaved essentially like a Herald; nobody of questionable character would achieve a strong enough bond to remain as a Cognitive Shadow, and join the Heraldic Forces. Where are the Halls? So, I hope I have firmly shown why I believe the Radiants who have achieved the fifth Oath remain as Cognitive Shadows and continue the fight against Odium’s forces in the Cognitive Realm. But one question remains: where do they fight? Khriss notes that Braize may contain the Cognitive Shadows, but Braize is Damnation. The Heraldic Forces should be fighting to reclaim the Tranquiline Halls, the place that the Voidbringers cast humanity out form in the first place; they should go to the Halls, not to Damnation. They certainly don’t remain in Roshar’s region of the Cognitive Realm; according to mythology, they are called elsewhere: Were the Halls on Ashyn, the planet closest to the sun in the Rosharan system, which has suffered a cataclysm to rend the surface of the planet? Or was Braize the true Tranquiline Halls, captured and twisted by Odium’s forces to become Damnation? Here, I believe that the teachings of Vorinism are twice wrong. Not only do they misidentify who is fighting, but I think they are mistaken as to what the fight actually is. It is through no fault of their own: they were lied to by those who should be the most trustworthy: Nothing, save the existence of the Almighty, should be assumed as axiomatic. But Vorin teachings fall apart when you remove a foundational concept and realize the truth: the Heralds are liars, and they did not defeat the Voidbringers. The Voidbringers aren’t in the Halls. They are in Braize, where they have always been, and the Radiants are partaking in the same age-old war that has gone on since the creation of the Oathpact. It is between Odium, trapped on Braize, and Honor’s forces on Roshar. Just to satisfy the curious readers, I do believe many historical elements of the Vorin mythology of their origin are true, but that several concepts have been conflated. There is the war by Cognitive Shadows, which takes place in the Cognitive Realm on Braize, known as Damnation. There is the origin of at least one branch of humanity, the Tranquiline Halls in the Physical Realm on Ashyn. And the final destination of the soul, the Beyond (which is itself conflated with the Spiritual Realm on occasion), where Odium’s influence prevents the normal passage of souls (as evidenced by those who sleep until the Halls are supposedly reclaimed). But the truly important conclusion is that the Heraldic Forces may not fight to reclaim the Halls, but instead reside in Damnation. The Wicked Thing of Eminence The Radiants abandoned their oaths at the Recreance because they uncovered something. A secret so powerful that it caused nine of the ten orders to Forswear their oaths, the tenth order remaining to join their Herald in exterminating other Surgebinders. The Diagram commands to “hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. It may be needed to destroy the new Orders when they return.” What is this secret? A secret that would cause thousands of men and women to forsake their god and their Oaths would not remain a secret, even if most of the Radiants were killed soon after they forswore. I think the truth of the afterlife, that Radiants partake in a war beyond the grave, is truth that was discovered. The knowledge, once revealed to the Radiants, made its way into Vorinism and their concept of the afterlife. But the truth has again been lost of what the First Oath really means: LIFE BEFORE DEATH STRENGTH BEFORE WEAKNESS JOURNEY BEFORE DESTINATION As I have commented elsewhere, I find it very telling that the oath is not LIFE UNTIL DEATH. I do not believe Teft’s interpretation of the First Oath is accurate: it is tilted towards the Windrunners. He says a Radiant always protects life, but the Skybreakers currently seek to extinguish lives, and yet they live sufficiently according to the First Oath. Instead, here is what I believe to be the true meaning of the Oath: The LIFE of a Radiant is filled with STRENGTH as they progress along their JOURNEY. But it does not end, because in DEATH they go to Damnation, fighting in WEAKNESS at their final DESTINATION. The Radiants do not understand what they swear themselves to when they say the first Oath. They believe they commit to following ideals through their lives, without realizing that they have consigned themselves to eternal battle and torment, souls that will not slumber until Odium has been finally defeated. Which, with the abandonment of the Heralds and the death of Honor, may never happen. Such a deceitfully imposed requirement could surely be enough to cause the Lost Radiants to forswear, and abandon their Oaths. And I can easily believe that the Radiants of today will feel much the same way. Be careful what you wish for. CODA: The True Nature of the Stormfather This is almost entirely unrelated to the conclusions I drew above, but the discovery was similar in method, and the as the citations below deal with the dead they could be considered relevant to the discussion above. I do not believe they concern Radiants, but I shall present them anyways, along with my conclusions. Three quotes guide a truly speculative interpretation. The first is the story of Fleet: A Cognitive Shadow associated with the Storm. I find it interesting that the story does not mention the Stormfather; it does mention the God of Storms, which may be the Stormfather, or it may be Honor. The second was musings of Kaladin early in Words of Radiance: This was a concept otherwise unseen, of Cognitive Shadows on Odium’s side. The last is from Rlain, speaking to Dalinar of the Parshendi gods: The Unmade are Splinters of Odium. Why does he refer to them as such? Together, these three quotes paint another picture of the powerful dead. Not of the Lost Radiants, but of Cognitive Shadows who have become Vessels of Splinters. The Storm existed before the Fleet, who I think died and became the Stormfather. Voidspren are largely mindless; the minds of the Unmade, the most powerful of his spren, are drawn from men, Cognitive Shadows of ancient Voidbinders. Thus far, we have only known of Shards as having Vessels. But what if any sufficiently large piece of Investiture could support a human mind holding it? Not just a bond, not just a Sliver of Infinity, but a full Vessel inhabiting the Splinter, with the power of that Splinter guiding the actions of the Vessel? Fleet must now run with the storm forevermore and channel Investiture, and those who Unmade themselves now forever work as Odium’s generals. An admittedly fantastic interpretation. But nonetheless one that encompasses several troublesome quotations.
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    My thoughts on Mraize's chicken:
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    Immediately thought of Shallan when I saw this...
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    Dalinar will have some great victory and 20 different rumours will spread and Kaladin will hear the most innacurate one and hate Dalinar for 5 books. The Parshendi will fight over a puddle and be afraid to cross water. And best one I just thought of: If Stormlight Archive were like the Wheel of Time.... Brandon Sanderson would have to finish it!
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    Guys. Guess who likes to find out what's inside stuff? Balat. Can Balat please be a Dustbringer?
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    I don't know if someone has mentioned it before but I think the disk painting depicts worldhopping: Now, compare it with similar painting from Elantris: So, I very strongly suspect it's depicting worldhopping.
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    Chapter 25: The Girl Who Looked Up Oh, is this how we are going to do this? Strata talk off the bat. Very well then. This is definitely a lot more extensive than before. Looks like the stronger you are, the more easily things come to you, and the faster you learn. Which, I think, is a theme in the Cosmere. Oh, I wonder if her illusions will start getting away from her. I wonder what we are to make of this whole story. Is there a nugget of lore hidden in it? Some pre-Honor / pre-Cultivation parable? *concern* Oh, that's not terrifying at all. Good. Oh, interesting! So whatever this thing is, maybe an Unmade, is mimicking not only murders, but other forms of harm too. But it needs some kind of connection between the victims - the guy Shallan stabbed the other day was also a Horneater. Poor Rock, getting stabbed just for his race... Chapter 26: Blackthorn Unleashed This is why I've been saying they are the unicorns of Roshar! The are bonded to storming musicspren! Or at least attract them for some reason, but I think they are bonded. This. This! This deep in the Thrill, Dalinar is... what, seeing something of Neorgaul's power? Seeing a little bit into the Cognitive? I've been thinking about this red haze every since I read this chapter in Unfettered II, and I don't know what to make of it. It is obviously magical in nature, this is not just a metaphorical "seeing red", and it's tied to the Thrill, but beyond that I haven't been able to come up with anything good. And, I mean, there is also this: Fun fact, this is much the same tactic Dalinar used when he fought Eshonai back on the Tower, in The Way of Kings. Aaand I think this is the scene Dalinar keeps referencing, the one where he almost killed his brother. Underwhelming in hindsight (Dalinar hyped it way more in the first two books), but very good in the moment. Chapter 27: Playing Pretend Another point towards an Unmade. Because of course the Dustbringer spren would be called Spark. Talk to them Shallan, let me drink the sweet sweet knowledge! Oh, storm off. I take it back, don't talk to them, Shallan. This Malata lady just sounds annoying. Kind of like Cryptics want to learn through lies? Oh, no... This is going to be such a mess when Kaladin comes back. Shallan, boo, I know I said some things in my last review, but I'm just saying now, if you want to kill two birds with one stone, you could just murder Amaram and use that as a trap for the mimicking spren. Would work out great! Oh. Oh. *concern* *concern* *CONCERN*
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    Can I nominate toddlerspren as the interim name for the Dustbringer Order's spren?
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    Welcome to Cosmere clickbait! A few of my favorites.. You'll never guess what we found on Roshar What really happened to Kelsier after his career Ten ways to know if you really are invested This five quotes will take your breath away!! Continue this shaders!!
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    I'm gonna put it here too, as that's relevant
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    This sums up why Sanderson is my favorite author.
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    I cant believe Jezrien lets her out of the house dressed like that..
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    People seem to be using the "fact" that there were 9 desolations pretty freely, as far as I know we have only been told there were less than 99 which includes a pretty large range. Am I missing something? Because otherwise a lot of these theories aren't based on much
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    I dunno I’m pretty sure he won that at the 17th annual Herald Rodeo. Those represent the three events he won. Chull ridding is the blue one. Axehound roping is the green one. The pink/purple one is rockbud racing.
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    Dalinar: "This week on Dream Invasion, Teft is going to find what it's like to fight a thunderclast" Stormfather: "Bondsmith, this is not wha-" Dalinar: "DREam Inavaaaasion!"
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    The UnMade are chunks of Odium's power that were broken off in past Desolations and have gained a measure of consciousness over time. He's the broken one. That's the nature of Honor's plan and the Oathpact, slowly dispersing Odium's power over time. I think each time humanity "wins" a desolation, Odium takes another wound and another UnMade appears. The Unmade are very dangerous, but much less focused in their evil and planning than if Odium directly held their power.
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    They unlock the famous Doors of Stone. Kvothe can't find the keys because Vedel has taken them. That is why Rothfuss hasn't been able to complete the book. The keys are missing!
  37. 15 points
    Man, when Shallan has 9 different personalities exactly this forum is going to lose it's mind.
  38. 15 points
    At this very moment Jasnah drops out of a portal yelling about how everyone needs to retreat because there's a dangerous unmade trapped in the basement and Urithiru isn't safe until it's powered on. Then everyone has a hearty chuckle.
  39. 15 points
  40. 15 points
    Well damnation. damnation. You know we are getting to the end of a part 1 when things ramp up like that. Dalinar - Wait, you mean I can literally share my visions with people? DOne, I invade all the dreams! Shallan - Undercover boss has nothing on me. Shallan - Lets go kick an Unmade in the teeth, the one that creates the midnight essence to boot. Other thoughts - dead spren are still cognizant when partially revived, Oathbringer hates Dalinar slightly less. That was... unexpected, tragically sad, and heartening. Definitely makes a good case for the relationship between Adolin and his blade. Adolin, can you please ask someone's spren to tell you your blade's name? Pattern - Shallan is going to run off and do something stupid, and I won't get to watch, so hurry up! Um, the conversation between Taravangian and Dalinar has to be one of my favorite scenes. I have this victorian era image, of them sitting in the great chairs, in front of a hearth, but instead of a fire, it is an LCD screen showing a picture of the fire in front of a heatlamp, reminiscing about real fire. (Its not the same). Having grown up in a house where we heated, and still heat, by wood-burning stove in the winter, I can sympathize with the feeling that nothing is quite the same as a real fire. And then their discussion. Making the hard decisions as a leader versus not making errors. Hypocrisy versus abdicating responsibility. How do you choose. I feel like the subtext is Mr T. trying to figure out if there is enough Blackthorn left in Dalinar to get the job done, while still trying to get justification from a peer for his actions, you know, the mureder of all those people. Also, Dalinar and Lift have a lot in common. She used a throne as a stool to look in high cupboards for food. He stuck a chair to a wall to look into an air vent and see a rodent. Shallan, interesting which death Re-Shepir imitated. The intentional killing, not the accidental. Intent seems important here. Adolin meant to kill. The guy meant to hurt his wife, possibly kill her. Shallan intended to stab someone in the hand. And the law intended that the murederer die by hanging. But he did not intend to kill the guy with a bottle, that was an accident in a brawl. Intent matters while Re-Shepir studies us. Also, Odiums version of a creation spren has gotten bored over the years and is curious? Is learning? Is evolving beyond her original purpose? How exciting. Odium may come back and find that his tools aren't quite what he remembered. The depictions of the heralds and Honor and cultivation. Do you think these depictions are our Endpapers? Actually, I'm certain of it, this chamber's depictions are what we see in the endpapers. And can I see these drawings of Honor and Cultivation please? Also, Shallan, you beautiful disaster. The pain of an ideal not yet overcome. Still dealing with the truth that you killed your father and mother. And your army of light was awesome. Way to kick chull while Renarin takes names. Speaking of Renarin, I am so happy to see him fitting in with Bridge four. He is a Bridgeman now. I'm so happy he has a home. Interesting to see he is still wearing the plate. I'm curious how that affects his binding and battlefield medecine. Best surgeon for Bridge four to have. Now, I have more thoughts, but please excuse me while I read all of yours, and re-read those storming awesome chapters!
  41. 14 points
  42. 13 points
    This'll only work once, so mestiv or someone feel free to lock this thread until 9. Ok, fine, you can have this round So, anyway, here's the URL: https://www.tor.com/2017/10/31/oathbringer-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-28-30/ And as usual, we start at 9 A.M. EDT.
  43. 13 points
    Guys.. I'll update it when the final 2 chapters release, but here is the draft work! Oathbringer: Part 1 Parody Epigraph: I am not gonna tell you anything! Just gonna tease ya like Rothfuss’s next book’s release date! Na nana na NA! Renarin:…. Dalinar: I am confused, dunno what to do. The world is about to end. Hey Navani – Let us get married! Navani: Yeah, got nothing better to do anyway. Let’s do it! Stormfather: Hey, Hey! I’ll bring in the percussion! Got something groovy happening! Shallan: Hey Adolin! Let’s make babies! Pattern: Um, this is not an Orson Scott Card/GRRM book! That language is not allowed by Brandon! No mating! Adolin: Mumble mumble! Duh! Renarin: ….. [17 Sharders scurrying & speculating May Aladar is Vivienna] Kaladin: Hey, mum, dad and cute baby! How are ya! Dad: Cute baby is your bro. Can you stop playing with your little sword now? Kaladin: Hey miss! I am hot, radiant and interested in you. Wanna go on a date? Larel: Nah! Sorry mate, I got a fat bozo for a hubby. Much rather have him than you. Kaladin: Oww.. let me go and kick some chull by flying around then! Syl: Hey Kal! I see some parshmen. I can turn into a sword and you can whoop their backside! Kal: Nah! I’ve got this slave fetish/fantasy going – see those brands on my head? Guys – I surrender! Renarin:….. [17 Sharders discussing if another incidental character is Vivienna] Epigraph: I am not gonna tell you anything! Just gonna tease ya like Rothfuss’s next book’s release date! Na nana na NA! Taravangian: Hey Dally, wanna be pally? Dalinar: Jeez, that was a terrible line. Mr. T, you need to have your meds. Malata:….. Shallan: Guys guys. This ain’t WoT, and Brandon likes to keep his PoVs limited. So, I offer you – Shallan’s split personalities! Adolin: Mumble mumble! Duh! Renarin:….. [17 Sharders discussing if everyone in the book is Vivienna] Epigraph: I am not gonna tell you anything! Just gonna tease ya like Rothfuss’s next book’s release date! Na nana na NA! Shallan: Hey, I got it.. I am gonna head down the hole. But guess what. Adolin: Mumble mumble! Duh! Renarin:….. Shallan: Never mind. Just come along [Whoops midnight mother’s backside, but wimps out at the end, to keep the story going] Adolin: Mumble mumble! Duh! Renarin:….. Stormfather: OK folks. Time’s up. Part one is almost over and Brandon needs to move the story along. You know guys I really don’t like to tell you anything, but hey, tell you what. I can bring another person to have a look at the visions! Hey! Don’t get cross that I took almost the ENTIRE PART 1 and Words of Radiance to come up with the idea. BUT I’VE BEEN BUSY being a PAIN IN THE chull! [Random sprouts from 17 Sharders claiming themselves to be Vivienna]
  44. 13 points
    I think there is an Unmade for each Herald that broke under torture. So this is Shallash's unmade? If I'm right?
  45. 13 points
    Maybe the epigraphs are written by a KR after the recreance? Maybe even the one who started it. They murdered their Spren, who loved them. “A hundred shades of wrongness.” It sounds like a bad romance novel set on Nalthis.
  46. 12 points
    These chapters were very fitting for Halloween. I am now ready for Christmas Tree Urithiru to be lit and become the shinning city. While jolly old saint Dalinar visits people in their homes leaving gifts of unification and possibly chocolate chip cookies with milk.
  47. 12 points
    Day 4 The storm passed. The bridge awoke to Gaz slamming the door open. Horns played in the distance. "You idiots! Get up! You're on bridge duty, and the scouts have spotted a Gemheart! Out! Out! Now!" The bridgemen stirred themselves quickly, knowing that punishment would follow if they didn't hurry. All except for one man. Gaz stormed over to the his bed. "GET UP YOU SORRY CHULL-RIDDEN... oh." Div's face had turned purple. He was no longer breathing. He had been poisoned. "Well then, stop standing around, and MOVE!" Shouted Gaz. "I'll send some members of Bridge 17 to help you carry the bridge. They're too large, anyway." The bridgemen hurried to their bridge, and stood to deliberate who should stand where. Jondesu was killed! He was a Tough Unlucky Con Artist! Drake has received the Unremarkable vote! PM's are closed. Thanks to Steeldancer for the write-up! SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT - This Cycle we're doing things a little differently. Considering you really don't trust anyone, your normal schedule for who goes in the front of the bridge is up for debate. There's 5 empty spots at the front of the bridge, and you all need to decide who goes there when you charge the plateau where the gemheart, and more importantly for you, the Parshendi, are waiting. You can place anywhere from 1 to 5 players on the front as your lynch, but understand that the more crew members on the front, the better chance for each of the individuals to survive the charge. Also, it's a long way to the plateau, so you have 48 hours instead of 24. A player needs 2 votes on them to be placed at the front of the bridge. Have fun! Player list:
  48. 11 points
  49. 11 points
    Just wanted to share a moment I just had going through Way of Kings. Brandon always impresses me with these one-liners that pack serious punches later on in the story, and as a fledgling writer, it's really humbling to see just how well planned all of this is. Which we now know isn't something he was taught, but he learned. It just makes me happy so I wanted to share. Sanderson books get better with age and the more you read them. I can't wait to get my fix in tomorrow morning.
  50. 11 points
    Four keys... Forkey... Forky... Fork. Vedel = Lift confirmed.
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