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  1. 134 points
    While reading the Stormlight Archive books, I realized that spren are 'real life' emoticons. So naturally I made some emoticons involving spren. To use an emote, copy the link next to it in the parentheses and paste it into your post. You can also right-click the link and choose "Copy Link Location", then paste it in your message. 17thshard.com forums allow you to load pictures into your posts by pasting the URL of the image into the post's content. It may be helpful to save a .txt file in notepad with all of the links you prefer to use in order to copy and paste elsewhere. Also, more cosmere-themed emoticons are under construction. Enjoy: Alespren (http://i.imgur.com/ktwO0cb.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/bbMSt3L.png) Angerspren (http://i.imgur.com/D6J6xRU.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/cCqVYgw.png) Anticipationspren (http://i.imgur.com/BM44BrV.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/1tjwhIn.png) Awespren (http://i.imgur.com/3YfOz4J.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/VkpiJTb.png) Awespren (canon) (https://i.imgur.com/7C8wANr.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/9xD7XH0.png) Bindspren (https://i.imgur.com/2tmDaoQ.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/32yBzwl.png) Coldspren (https://i.imgur.com/uOFJI3L.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/e137yIJ.png) Creationspren (http://i.imgur.com/THDwKRq.gif) and static versions (https://i.imgur.com/8lMJI4Z.png), (https://i.imgur.com/1bSjE7G.png), and (https://i.imgur.com/AH8WdWC.png) Fearspren (http://i.imgur.com/fwkGdLK.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/RTfcvUl.png) Gloryspren (http://i.imgur.com/IiBDG5u.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/60gRN2F.png) (alternate version) (http://i.imgur.com/0rFKCWU.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/844IBnV.png) I edited the laughterspren to make it more visible, but left the old one up so links aren't broken: Laughterspren (https://i.imgur.com/HLCjBvQ.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/YcigcGe.png) (alternate) (https://i.imgur.com/UVYzqQB.gif) and static version (https://i.imgur.com/IFaGQje.png) (old) (http://i.imgur.com/dk9SAg9.gif) (dark version) (http://i.imgur.com/twskx1S.gif) Shardblade (http://i.imgur.com/6tU3gRQ.gif) and static versions (https://i.imgur.com/PVjEeQv.png) and (https://i.imgur.com/6UkYJJG.png)
  2. 64 points
  3. 40 points
    Thanks to Barnes and Noble, we've just had this STUNNING artwork from Oathbringer shared with us. I want to say it's Honor and Cultivation, but it could also be Ishar and Vivenna. Let the theorising begin!
  4. 34 points
    What follows is my current theory on how the 10 Heralds became the 10 fool's through the coarse of the Desolations. I will update this post as it evolves. I will try to provide links to all WOB. Quotes will come from the kindle versions of the books via cut and paste. I will list book, chapter, and location number. Bold will be my emphasis. Italics will be possible contradictory evidence. Number 18 here From Reddit Fantasy Bookclub Q&A with Brandon Sanderson Feb 28th, 2011 We will start with this quote which shows us all Heralds were in WOK. First, the Desolations occurred when the Heralds were sent back to Roshar after one of them broke under the torture of Odium. Second, each Herald is associated with a primary and secondary Divine Attribute. (Possibly primary from Honor, Secondary from Cultivation?) Third, the torture does not happen in the physical realm. It occurs in either the cognitive, or more likely the spiritual realm. Fourth, when Odium breaks a Herald, he is literally breaking part of that Heralds spiritual connection to the Divine Attribute. Fifth, Odium's goal was to break all the Heralds and bring about the the Everstorm, allowing him to shatter Honor and Cultivation. Sixth, breaking the Divine Attributes shifted them towards something more compatible with Odium and less compatible with Honor. This resulted in the attributes associated with the 10 Fool's. Number 19 in this WOB, says each is uniquely insane. NOTE: One of the biggliest issues with this theory is not knowing the 10 Fools attributes. Two Fools are named. Two have attributes. Cabine - He acts like a child although he is an adult. TWOK chapter 37, page 593, location 10668 Eshu - He speaks of things he does not understand in front of those who do. WOR chapter 71, page 593, location 16877 One issue I have here is that the 2 Heralds I would link these two too are both female. Paliah and Battar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) We have a WOB on this. Not a confirmation, but along those lines. 2) Herald. Primary Divine Attribute. Secondary Divine Attribute. Jezrien. Protecting. Leading Nale. Just. Confident Chanarach. Brave. Obedient Vedel. Loving. Healing Paliah. Learned. Giving Shalash. Creative. Honest Battar. Wise. Careful Kalak. Resolute. Builder Talenel. Dependable. Resourceful Ishar. Pious. Guiding 3) Since Odium was attempting to break the Heralds focus on their Divine Attribute, the torture most likely took place in the spiritual realm. The spren would probably know something if it took place in the cognitive realm. One thing pointing to the cognitive realm though is the fact that Taln appeared covered in condensation much like a shardblade. 4) By breaking the Herald, Odium shifted their Primary attribute to closer align with his shard and align less with Honors. This usually resulted in an almost inversion of the attribute. SPECIFICALLY I THINK ONLY THE PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE WAS BROKEN/TWISTED. Below I will show what I think the attribute shifted to after the Devine attribute. Herald. Primary Divine Attribute. Secondary Divine Attribute. Jezrien. Protecting. (Submission) Leading Nale. Just. (Arbitrary)(Judgement) Confident Chanarach. Brave. Obedient Vedel. Loving. Healing Paliah. Learned. Giving Shalash. Creative. (Destructive) Honest Battar. Wise. Careful Kalak. Resolute. (Weak-willed) Builder Talenel. Dependable. (Erratic) Resourceful Ishar. Pious. (Traitorous) Guiding These are based off of what we have seen or heard in the books so far. These are not perfect words, but the 17th shard manymind will probably come up with better. There are some subtle indications that only 9 of the 10 fool's have a strong history or mythology. Here is one concerning Lyft and pancakes. I think I subconsciously connected Lyft's silly quest to eat all 10 Pancakes with the 10 fool's. Research could not find a direct correlation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jezrien gives up on protecting humanity personally, submits to the Will of the group, and sacrifices Talenel to uphold the entire oathpact. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nale shifts from Just- working within the accepted standards of right and wrong to Arbitrary- following the rule of law without regards to morality.....he goes straight lawful evil. From Edgedancer Chapter 9, page 596 Arcanum Unbound, location 8565 Judgement not Justice. From Edgedancer Chapter 9, page 596 Arcanum Unbound, location 8565 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shalash is pretty clear with her running around destroying art, and significantly art that depicts her and other heralds. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kalak is in no way resolute when Jezrien meets him. He is in fact very weak willed, confessing that he cannot go back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Talenel (if it really is him) comes back a broken man, highly erratic and unable to perform his duties as the Herald of War. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ishar formed the Knights Radiant originally, he led the Bondsmiths. He was also the one who promulgated the traitorous idea that 1 Herald could support the Oathpact. From Edgedancer: And And ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5) We know there were not literally 99 desolation. I suspect there were 9. One each time Odium broke a Herald. Then the next time that Herald would not be tortured as hard so that about her would break first. Nine also being the number of Odium I believe would work well with this. After the Oathpact was discarded, Odium let humanity rewrite Roshar's history and religion in preparation for the Final Desolation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6) The corruption of the 9 Heralds weakened Honor, but the Knights Radiant provided some support, until the Day of Requience when they abandoned all their oaths. Honor shattered shortly after. I have to go back and find some more quotes and WOB to fully support some of this, but I will edit them in as I find them.
  5. 30 points
    Hey guys! Tor.com is releasing all of Part One of Oathbringer in the coming weeks, until its release. Each week, we'll have a new thread for discussing the week's chapters, so we thought it'd be a good idea to make a topic compiling each of the Tor.com posts with the chapters, and our relevant 17S discussion topics. Keep in mind that we'll set it up so that, say, the topic on Chapters 4-6 will obviously contain info from previous chapters. But that isn't terribly surprising I'll pin the most recent week's discussion thread, I'm thinking. If you'd like older readings from throughout the year on Oathbringer, you can look at the old topic here, but I imagine these chapters will be the final versions of those scenes. Oathbringer Preview Chapters Prologue Prologue Discussion Chapters 1-3 Chapters 1-3 Discussion Chapters 4-6 Chapters 4-6 Discussion Chapters 7-9 Chapters 7-9 Discussion Chapters 10-12 Chapters 10-12 Discussion Chapters 13-15 Chapters 13-15 Discussion Chapters 16-18 Chapters 16-18 Discussion Chapters 19-21 Chapters 19-21 Discussion Chapters 22-24 Chapters 22-24 Discussion Chapters 25-27 Chapters 25-27 Discussion Chapters 28-30 Chapters 28-30 Discussion Chapters 31-32 Chapters 31-32 Discussion Interlude 3 Interlude 3 Discussion Released Interludes Ardent Alista Soulcaster Kaza
  6. 27 points
    So we get a little bit more information on Tezim, the God-Priest of Tukar in chapter 8. His claiming to be an "Aspect of the Almighty" strongly implies he thinks he's a sliver of Honor - what are people's thoughts? I know some people had already been speculating that he might be a herald. Here are the quotes we have on Tezim, for those needing a refresher: So we know he's the leader of the Tukari, he's trying to conquer Sesemalex Dar, Mraize is worried about him and thinks he's probably not human, and he's a "god-priest" claiming to be an "Aspect of the Almighty." Update 10/18: And we know that he calls himself "Herald of Heralds and bearer of the Oathpact." And here are the WoB I could find: Thoughts with this admittedly very limited info? I personally think that him being Ishar or Jezrien is a bit too obvious for Brandon, although the aspect of the almighty line sure makes it sound like he's a sliver.
  7. 26 points
    Welp, didn't take long to get a WoB on this: Ishar & Ash on the front endsheets Jezrien & Vedel on the back ones
  8. 26 points
    He would definitely fit the mold. Alright, so you wanted it, here it is. One snap-shot of Maxal's unbelievable epic and completely filled with dignity (or not) youthful adventures Today's chapter is "How to land a date with the nerdy guy with the glasses and the side-burns?". It's quite long come to think of it, so I'll put it in spoilers. Also, it contains mature content relating to events and alcohol, but nothing graphic or inappropriate, though some people may not enjoy it so I prefer to warn you before hand. If you are unsure, do not read or ask a friend to read it and tell you if they think it is fine. Nothing terrible in there, but I do talk of young adults night life.
  9. 24 points
    Immediately thought of Shallan when I saw this...
  10. 22 points
    After noticing the similar names between Kaladin and Aladdin I couldn't help imagining this happening when Kaladin first meets Syl. Syl's "Spren Like Me"
  11. 21 points
    My theory on the memories returning is that the painrail is what is helping him remember. “I asked to have my pain taken away, and she took memories too.” If the painrail is doing it’s job and dampening the pain maybe it is breaking the nightwatchers power.
  12. 20 points
    Seems like Dalinar finds her somewhat... Abrasive.
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  15. 18 points
    Welcome to Cosmere clickbait! A few of my favorites.. You'll never guess what we found on Roshar What really happened to Kelsier after his career Ten ways to know if you really are invested This five quotes will take your breath away!! Continue this shaders!!
  16. 18 points
    I cant believe Jezrien lets her out of the house dressed like that..
  17. 17 points
    I really enjoyed how Dalinar immediately considered the possibility that the Dustbringer might be wielding a Honorblade instead of being a Radiant. It's nice having main characters with critical thinking abilities!
  18. 16 points
    Its the Desolation Paparazzi who stalked the Heralds all those years ago. The Heralds grew sick and tired of it, and broke the Oathpact. The paparazzi then went after the Radiants instead, and thus caused the Recreance. The Skybreakers remained because they knew how to sue the paparazzi and thus earned money from them.
  19. 15 points
    Some fun stuff in this week's chapters. Mraize has an aviar. It's gotta be an aviar. I wonder what it does, though? I'll need to check if its description matches either of the aviar powers we've seen. Mraize refers to the "listeners." No humans call them that - they call them parshmen or Parshendi. I take that as further evidence he's an offworlder, although it could mean he's just ancient. This short glimpse into the Ghostblood's motives, of playing both sides against one another, makes me think of Hoid's earlier statement that he would let this world burn to get what he wanted. What are the Ghostbloods up to? The mystery of Urithiru is something that a lot of people had caught on to, so it's nice to have something out in the open. I think that it will tie in with the murders, like we discussed a few weeks ago, either something about the city or a murderous spren. Man, I just can't get it out of my head that this Voidspren isn't a Voidspren. Syl has been hiding, so she hasn't actually interacted with her. And everything she does... well, if we hadn't been told she was a Voidspren, I wouldn't have thought she was one. She definitely knows Kaladin is a Radiant, why he can sense the storms. And the emphasis on stone in her manner of movement makes me think she's a cousin to something like a stonespren, the same way Syl is cousin to windspren. So, I'm holding out for a reveal that this spren is actually a Radiant spren, but returning back to the listeners instead of bonding Radiants. (Still holding a grudge over the Recreance.) The eyes on the Voidspren are interesting, in that they aren't typical Rosharan eyes. They're like Shin eyes... but the Shin don't have spren, so she can't be a Shin spren. I guess it's because she's a Splinter of Odium, so she (and other Voidspren) are driven by Rayse's perception of humanity. Dalinar wonders why he's healing. We've all been there, bro. Nice to get a Dustbringer. There would have to be a lot going on behind the scenes for her to have an Honorblade, and she is from Vedenar (not Kharbranth), so I think she's for real, not a trick of Taravangian's. Let's see some Division action! More Surges!
  20. 14 points
    MR25: Lowborn Intrigue "Brightness Ialai, a Brightlord Vendel has requested to see you." a guard informed Ialia, wife of Highprince Sadeas. "Send him in," she replied. Curious. I haven't seen Vendel in quite some time, Ialai thought. A middle-aged man entered the room soon after. He had dark hair slicked back down to his shoulders, and light green eyes. "Cousin Vendel, it's a surprise to see you here at the Shattered Plains," Ialai said as he approached. "I thought you were at Kharbranth?" "That's because I was," Vendel said gruffly. "Until that storming Taravangian had me banished for...practicing on some patients of his. I don't know what had him so upset. It was only a couple of darkeyes. The experiments weren't even fatal! ...for all of them," he added under his breath. "I see..." replied Ialai. "And what is your purpose for coming here?" "Well, I heard that you have quite a large army here. I figured you could spare a few of them to help me with my research," he said. "And what do I gain from sacrificing some of my husbands men to your, what was it? Ah, yes, your research?" she asked. "I'll share my findings with you. Some of my products have shown excellent promise," Vendel said proudly. "I suppose that could be useful to me," she said with a thoughtful expression. I think this could be very useful indeed, she thought. "Alright, you will have your men. But it won't be any of our fighting men. That would be wasteful. No, you can speak with Sadeas and he'll give you command of a Bridge Crew. We can't let you do your experiments out in the open, so you'll have to be careful with how you do them. I'd suggest bribing some of the bridge crew to administrate your...products, so no blame will be placed to you," she said. And if they show promise, they'll be of far more use to me than you ever will, she thought to herself, smiling slightly. I can always use more spies. "A brilliant idea!" Vendel exclaimed. "I knew coming to you was the right idea. You have my thanks, Brightness. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go speak with Brightlord Sadeas about that Bridge crew..." he said as he bowed and left the room. The Game Spies and Poisoining Roles Messages Action Order And that's the game! I thought I'd let the Bridge number be up to the players, so decide what you want before the game starts and I'll go with that(please don't go too high or low ). I wanted to go with a Bridge crew, since I thought it'd be funner than just sticking with the same story as MR8(although I did steal some things directly from MR8 since I'm rushing things a bit >>). I also thought you all might have fun coming up with criminal(or not) backstories for how you got to be a bridge crew member. Sign-ups will last until October 19th(not sure about a specific time). I'll be on vacation until the 17th, so I might not respond to questions or anything until then. Also, no promises that everything in the game is covered in the rules. Player list: 1. Darkness (Nuatoma Akihiko) 2. Randuir (Tenodin) 3. Straw (An Explosive Gerbil) 4. Brightness Radiant (undecided) 5. Hemalurgic Headshot (Kurt Barnacles) 6. Jondesu (Div) 7. Sami (Reddathan) 8. Roadwalker (Silver Feather) 9. Drake Marshall (Pashul) 10. Lemonelon (Ellenie) 11. StrikerEZ (Ardenal) 12. Walin (Nerkel) 13. Arinian (blank) 14. Sart (Mortago) 15. Megasif (Kohl) 16. OrlokTsubodai (Locke Tekiel) 17. Manukos (manukosokunam) 18. Eternum (Deral) 19. Shqueeves (Melb) 20. Joe in a Bush (Jost Joslin) Quick Links:
  21. 14 points
    I think there is some serious misdirection about what is going on with voidspren. I don't believe that the yellow spren which Kaladin sees guiding the listeners is of Odium. Either it's not actually a voidspren, or perhaps there is a larger confusion about what voidspren and voidbringers are in the first place. Toward the end of WoR, we saw what a bad spren does to Eshonai. Those chapters are suffused with a feeling of dread - it's powerful, scary stuff. I don't get anything like that vibe from the recent Kaladin chapters. Sure, the yellow spren hasn't bonded any listeners yet, but why not? It had plenty of opportunities. Actually it seems to have been advising them well, eg. keeping them safe from the Everstorm. The yellow spren doesn't trust Kaladin, and Syl doesn't trust it, but this is similar to the initial suspicion between Syl and Pattern. Yellow spren just smells different to what Venli did to Eshonai. Bigger picture, I don't buy the whole Parshendi-as-voidbringer theory. That doesn't fit with the slavery theme (including aftermath of what having previously been enslaved does to a society) that Brandon is starting to explore. There probably was massive war between humans and listeners in the past, but it wasn't a simple Odium-corrupted-the-listeners-so-they-are-bad thing - instead Odium played both sides off against each other, causing massive damage where none was needed. Odium surely had a few agents under his direct control (on both sides of the conflict) and would have been able to indirectly influence far more (eg. the Thrill), but the vast majority of the combatants on both sides were misled rather than directly evil. So my prediction: The yellow spren is not the same as the one that Eshonai bonded Yellow spren is not of Odium Eshonai's spren is of Odium Much of what people remember as "voidbringers" or "voidspren" is incorrect, and really just means "the other side from that huge unnecessary conflict" Kaladin's next task will be to figure this out, and help Dalinar understand what "unite them" really means
  22. 14 points
    I just asked Barnes & Nobles, and they said that the endpapers have pictures of 4 Heralds.
  23. 14 points
    Waxillium is not throwing away his shot.
  24. 13 points
    I misread a certain topic title as "Musical Adaptation of Way of Kings", so guys. We're doing this. What would the Cosmere books be like as a musical? Anyone got any ideas for songs? Inb4 'Defying Gravity' as Windrunner!Kaladin's big solo number
  25. 13 points
    It seems that Syl is unfamiliar with the yellow spren. She also may not have any intuitive feeling about them. The inception of the idea that the yellow spren are Voidspren actually seems to come from Kaladin. At least, the idea isn't given to him by Syl, as an intuition or memory of hers. Syl is not necessarily detecting or describing anything about the other spren - she may simply be deducing that these "must be" Voidspren as Kaladin is, or accepting his deduction as correct. The fact that she calls it "that other spren" implies that it is a type Syl is encountering for the first time. With the Cryptics, Syl remembered their name and something of their nature even before encountering Pattern in the Physical Realm. She also exhibited a strong feeling regarding them right away. When she first saw Pattern she could identify what type of spren he was, then remembered more about Cryptics' nature afterwards. If she remembers that much about Cryptics from having known them in the Cognitive Realm, I think she would remember something about the yellow spren if she had known them. And she almost certainly would have told Kaladin right off the bat what kind of spren they are if she knew. Some of Syl's intuitions seem to be pre-conscious emotional memories from her time in the Cognitive Realm. Those memories first manifest as immediate, visceral reactions to things she encounters in the Physical Realm, that she can't explain at first. The exact judgment she makes of Cryptics seems to confirm this. Syl calls Cryptics: This fits the biases and opinions she would have developed living as an Honorspren interacting with Cryptics in the CR. Honorspren and Liespren are contrary, and are in a complex conflict according to Jasnah, but have also fought against Odium together with their respective orders of KR. Likewise, Syl knew in the CR that most Shardblades are dead spren, and even before she remembers this in the PR, she has an immediate visceral reaction against Shardblades. With the yellow spren, she doesn't seem to exhibit an immediate visceral reaction. For the first while after encountering the yellow spren, she just seems to just be hiding her nature from an unfamiliar higher spren. The timing of her later fearful reaction implies that she may be reacting in that moment to the idea that this "must be" a Voidspren. Syl also has intuitions about things she hasn't encountered before, like when she first sees the red spren. The contrast in her reactions to red spren and the yellow spren highlights the issue: With the red spren, Syl expresses an intuition about them right away, as being "dangerous." With the yellow spren, she doesn't express or show any immediate feelings towards them except caution and maybe suspicion - and as Syl is cautious and suspicious with Pattern, suspicion from Syl towards another spren does not equal that spren being of Odium. Maybe Syl did have an intuition of her own regarding the yellow spren, and Kaladin just beat her to the punch in expressing it because they couldn't talk much. Can't know that for certain though, and at the least the contrast highlights how Syl didn't express an intuition of her own regarding the yellow spren. The yellow spren may still be Voidspren. Maybe that is why Syl is unfamiliar with them. But I don't think anything has said about them can be taken as an indication of their nature.
  26. 13 points
  27. 13 points
    I don't think this will be the case, but can you imagine Dalinar's reaction if it were? His brother, and two of his former allies, we're in one secret society, his bodyguard and future daughter-in-law were secret Knights Radiant, his son is a Truthwatcher, Wit is...Wit. "Is there anyone around here who is NOT a part of a secret society? Anyone?!"
  28. 12 points
    So, lets say that there is, hypothetically, an Unmade lurking in Urithiru. Let's say Shallan finds it. Then what are they going to do about it? It is a powerful, evil Odiumspren. Our main action hero, the go-to guy when it comes to fighting these kinds of things, is currently away road-tripping with pseudo-Voidbringers and wierd yellow spren. Our remaining Radiants are either not that great when it comes to combat (Shallan), untrained (Dalinar) or both (Renarin). Then we have Adolin, with plate and blade, our new Dustbringer, Malata, whose abilities, skills and allegiances we are uncertain about at this point, Taln, who is good at mumbling mantras, Mraize, who can potentially engage the Unmade with a chicken and a blowgun, and Sadeas corpse, which I guess can be thrown at the Unmade in times of great need. My point is, do the people in Urithiru, even if they pool their skills and resources together, have the strenght to tackle an Unmade, if they find one?
  29. 12 points
    It's almost like Brandon is writing a plot or something.
  30. 12 points
    I made this and this thread seemed to be the best place to put it, so here we are: "Do You Want to Forge the Emperor?" *Disclaimer: I used the pronunciation of Shai that rhymed with "bye" because I thought it sounded better.
  31. 11 points
    The whole "smarter than I" thing in the epigraph feels like Taravangian to me. He has also spoken about being a heretic, and is a popurarly suggested proto-Bondsmith. This is the Bondsmith book. And Taravangian already feels dumb, on some days, and if he discovers some glaring hole in the Diagram, he will feel even dumber.
  32. 11 points
    I noticed something interesting in a SoS reread last night. At the end of chapter 7, Wax goes in to interrogate Rian, the spiked man who tried to shoot Winsting. Here's a rough quote: Two chapters later it is revealed that Rian was spiked by some unknown metal (likely trellium). In that same chapter, Wax hears a voice in his head while wearing his earring. In both cases, Wax assumes that the voice he hears is Paalm. But... does that really make sense? There's really no precedent for a person (including kandra) to talk to somebody via Hemalurgy. Isn't it much more likely that some other Shard is at work? "Someone else moves us lawman." Given the context revealed in BoM, doesn't it seem likely that Trell is at work here? In fact, I'd like to go even a step further. I'm reading this in the context of the new info released with AU, where we learned that (1) Bavadin is female (technically, at least) and (2) Autonomy is away from Taldain, meddling somewhere else. This context made the "she" stand out to me. What if "she"=Trell=Autonomy? I'm not super familiar with Era 2 Mistborn, so help me out if I'm missing something in all of this. Isn't Paalm's message and mission about "freeing" Scadrial from Harmony's control? How certain are we that Paalm is acting completely on her own here? She IS spiked by some unknown metal. Presumably trellium. Are we really sure that she wasn't (at least partially) under the influence of another Shard? A Shard who wants to divorce a planet from the control of Harmony? Remember: "Someone else moves us lawman."
  33. 10 points
    During the Arcanum Unbounded short story The Eleventh Metal, right after the fight between kelsier and shezler, Gemmel walks over and: "Carefully and meticulously selected a fork from the fallen tools and other scattered laboratory remains. He smiled and chuckled to himself. 'Now that is a fork.' He shoved it into his pocket." Earlier gemmel tells kelsier that their goal for the evening was in the basement. While we interpret this via kelsier to mean that the goal was to fight a mistborn for his training. But i think that was just a side benefit for the evening and that gemmel's true goal was to get this fork. We know that shezler is attempting to snap these skaa and manifest more allomantic abilities through beatings and torture. Is it possible that this fork is a makeshift torture implement that is tearing off bits of investiture and gaining charge? I believe there is a WoB or theory talking about how gemmel may have been muttering and conversing with ruin because of some embedded shrapnel or just his madness allowing ruin to communicate with him. If this fork did have hemalurgic properties to it, then it may have been a powerful tool in the hands of an agent of ruin. Perhaps in the next mistborn novels we will encounter someone who gained abilities from the fork of power!! Discuss.
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    @Skyline I will try to explain the reason everyone are saying your theory is mostly impossible: - Issue n.0) The whole theory is based on the assumption of a Cross-Magical Knowledge and the detail of a complex Magic System like the Hemalurgy is. IF the Issue n.0 is solved we assumed Taln has the knowledge to craft a Hemalurgic Spike and the general understanding of Hemalurgy at all - Issue n.1) A so Invested object as an Honorblade is extremely hard to affect with magic and therefore turning into a Spike (by the way, the form isn't relevant in Hemalurgy, you may use a spoon in Hemalurgy if you want...it's just harder to pierce someone with it) IF the Issue n.0 and n.1 are solved and therefore is possible to have Hemalugy charge into an Honorblade. - Issue n.2) The hipotetical Honorblade's charge will be mostly depleted by Desolation into Desolation...So Taln kills someone every time for this quite useless trick. Much more I see some problem to pierce someone with an Honorblade (an object that Destroys the Soul) to gain an intact and functional Soul's piece (but this last thing is debatable). IF the Issue n.0 and n.1 and n.2 are solved and therefore we have an Honorblade with Hemalurgic Charge (from here called Honorblade-Spike) - Issue n.3) A Thunderclast has not bindpoints as far as we know. Blood is important for Hemalurgy and a Thunderclast is just animated rock. IF all the issues are solved and both the Honorblade-Spike and Thunderclast are avaliable. - Issue n.4) Why piercing a Thunderclast with the Spike will turn it under your control ? (by the way good luck in keeping something like a Shardblade strucks into something). The Hemalurgy's fault that allow to control Hemalurgy pierced being simply installs a Backdoor but doesn't give you any actual power to control the being. So Taln will have no way to control a Spiked being. There is also the problem with the number of Spikes...The weakest beings we know in the regard of Hemalurgy's fault require two Spikes. Controlling a Spren would took much more than that. Lastly Taln has the need to keep grabbing the Honorblade to keep his Surgebinding's power. Leave the Blade into a thunderclast is an awful idea but this is tangential to the fattibility of the theory. I hope to have clarified a bit the situation
  36. 10 points
    Pineapple on Pizza is a gift to the world. We will not be Silenced or Shamed
  37. 9 points
    Okay, here's what I'm basing this theory on. First, from what I understand, we know that Hoid was present, at the Shattering of Adonalsium. Next, we know that Hoid was offered a Shard, and refused to take it. (please note that this is my personal understanding, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Now, here's my evidence. This all comes from the chapter heading of Part 4 of WoR. These chapter headings are a letter from Frost to Hoid, in reply to Hoid's letter to Frost, through the chapter headings of one of the parts of TWoK. Here are my quotes: "Is not the destruction we have wrought enough? The worlds you now tread bear the touch and design of Adonalsium. Our interference so far has brought nothing but pain." (Chapter 66, "Stormblessings") This seems to me to be Frost expressing grief over causing the Shattering of Adonalsium. Because what else would happen if your God was killed, than chaos? "However, it seems to me that all things have been set up for a purpose, and if we--as infants-- stumble through the workshop, we risk exacerbating, not preventing, a problem." (Chapter 68, "Bridges") This, to me, seems to imply that they countered Adonalsium's diving design, in shattering him. "He bears the weight of God's own diving hatred, separated from the virtues that gave it context. He is what we made him to be, old friend. And that is what he, unfortunately, wished to become. (Chapter 71, "Vigil") This I think, is the most telling of the quotes. "He is what we made him to be..." How else would they have made Rayse full of hatred, than Shattering Adonalsium, and giving him the Shard of Odium? You, however, have never been a force for equilibrium. You tow chaos behind you like a corpse dragged by one leg through the snow. Please, hearken to my plea. Leave that place and join me in my oath of nonintervention. (Chapter 74, "Striding the Storm") Let me refer back to the first quote, "Our interference has brought nothing but pain." Although this could be referring in general, to Hoid's interference in important events, but based on the context and the other quotes, I'm going to go with he sowed chaos by Shattering Adonalsium. More Implications: If Hoid directly shattered Adonalsium, with the help of Frost, and neither of them received a Shard (I'm assuming Frost isn't a Shard), then it was in order to prevent some terrible thing from happening, not to grow in power. (Although I'm sure that those who helped him had that as at least a secondary motive.) Conclusion: Hoid shattered Adonalsium, with the help of Frost.
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    I just stumbled across this, and feel the need to share it somewhere.
  40. 9 points
    The most majestic green chicken of them all.
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    Kaladin sings Defying Gravity pretty much verbatim.
  45. 8 points
  46. 8 points
    I'll probably fail my upcoming tests since I'll be too busy reading...
  47. 8 points
    As me Da' always used to say, "Finish your food son. There are people starving in the world. And if they eat you one day, the more of you there is to eat, the less of your friends they'll need to eat." No, my favorite is: Call a Jack a Jack. Call a Spade a Spade. But always call a whore a Lady. They have a hard life and it doesn't hurt to be polite.
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    Here's with higher resolution: Ishar Shalash
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    Are.. Are we seriously debating the motivations of a character who we haven't seen speak, and who we barely have a physical description of? I mean, for now, I believe she's a part of the Diagram, and this has nothing to do with her. It's all about how we've seen the Diagram work in the past with Graves and his cross purposes to Taravangian. The Diagramists are not a perfectly cohesive group. Malata herself? She's done nothing so far. Trying to say she can or can't be a Diagramist, or surgebinder, or anything else... Is a bit early.
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