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  1. 202 points
    Okay so I saw a few of the Explain a Film Plot badly things earlier and thought they were funny, so I decided to do them for the cosmere books. I think some of them are funny, so I decided to share them. Hopefully it'll at least get a few laughs. If anyone has any more or any different ones, please post them. Spoilers for the cosmere, obviously. I'll label each one just in case though. The Final Empire: Well of Ascension: Hero of Ages: Alloy of Law: Shadows of Self: Bands of Morning: Warbreaker: Elantris: I couldn't think of any for Stormlight, hopefully someone else can [EDIT by Moderator: This topic originally was solely cosmere but has moved beyond that, so I moved this to Entertainment Discussion.]
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  3. 62 points
    Probably more cheerful than people were thinking, but I thought it could be amusing. The Lord Ruler's "You're Welcome"
  4. 50 points
    Oh, Brandon, you should know better. If you zoom in on the ARC back cover, you can make out some words. The first line is "A new storm has come." The five names are The Captain, The Spy, The Stonewalker, The Traitor, and The King. One other neat line I can see is "The Unmade - shadows of the Enemy's mind" Anything else you guys can dig out? Update: Here's what we've got, at the end of the day.
  5. 49 points
    Final Empire: Well of Ascension: Hero of Ages: WoK: WoR:
  6. 46 points
    Also, is Brandon throwing some shade at us?
  7. 45 points
    Shallan Davar is insane. Now, I know the first reaction of many of you would be to point out that, yes, of course she’s insane. It’s a requirement for the Knights Radiant. I mean, after all, Syl says in Words of Radiance that’s how they [Knights Radiants] all were, silly’ to Kaladin’s complaint that he was ‘broken’. None of current Knight Radiants that we know of (Kaladin, Shallan, Dalinar, Renarin, Lift) are shining examples of perfect mental stability. Also, in Shallan’s defense, she is guilty of both patricide and matricide, so you can’t expect her to be perfectly sane, can you? Which is fine, I don’t. Kaladin's an emotional wreck. Shallan's an emotional wreck. It’s a requirement for the Knights Radiant to have undergone some form of mental anguish. So, why am I talking here? Well, simply put, Shallan’s insanity is getting worse because she’s a Knight Radiant. Whereas Kaladin is getting better, Shallan is just getting worse as a direct result of her Ideals and her Surges. Let me explain why I think that. As revealed in Chapter Fifteen of Oathbringer, Shallan cannot emotionally use her Shardblade because of the truth she was forced to admit for her Second Ideal, that she killed her mother with Pattern. Therefore, to get around the emotional scars, Shallan creates a new personality, Brightness Radiant, to fight in her place instead. Now, while this may seem innocent enough, and one could argue it’s no different from the pen names that we Sharders use on the Shard, it’s not. Not at all. To explain why, let’s take a step back and talk about the human mind, more specifically psychology, more specifically Jungian psychology, most specifically archetypes. Carl Jung, based on the work of Sigmund Freud, claimed that the human mind is made up ‘archetypes’. Now, I’m just going to skim the basics, feel free to look around for a more in-depth analysis elsewhere on the internet. I also must admit to having a cursory knowledge of the subjects, so if you know more and I made a mistake, I apologize. Archetypes can be described as the building blocks of personality. A person is composed of dozens of these ‘archetypes’ each slightly modified and relating together differently to create the full spectrum of personality. This is why we have many common character types across many civilizations stories. For example, there’s always the ‘warrior’, the ‘hero’, the ‘wise man’, the ‘mentor’ (which sometimes overlaps with the ‘wise man’), etc. These form a ‘persona’ or your exterior personality. From this chapter, it’s kind of clear that the alternative personalities Shallan is creating are based off of these archetypes. This makes sense, as character archetypes are one of the basic tools of all writers, so it’d be natural to create personalities using them. Veil seems to be based off the ‘trickster’ archetype, and ‘Brightness Radiant’ seems to be based of the ‘knight’ archetype, perhaps with a handful of ‘stoic’ thrown in. It’s a bit early to tell for sure. The problem now arises that Shallan is separated from these archetypes of hers. Brightness Radiant speaks like Shallan is a different person, and Shallan can’t wield her Shardblade at all. They''re separate. In Jungian psychology, this is a huge problem. In Jungian psychology, one of the reasons for insanity comes from the idea that these archetypes aren’t lining up. In order to treat mental disorders, Jungian psychologists will attempt to have the subject comes to terms with themselves, ending in catharsis. Now, this should be what the Ideal of the Lightweavers force Shallan to do, but it's not, because of it's own Surges. Shallan can’t ignore the truths of her paths, so she must come to grips with them for an eventual catharsis. But she isn’t. She’s using her Surge of Illumination to create these false personas that are Veil and Brightness Radiant. But by doing so, she’s locking herself out of catharsis and forcing her emotions aside to where she won’t have to deal with them. By using Veil and Brightness Radiant, Shallan is repressing her weakness and flaws. She isn’t trying to be fixed. She’s just trying to create an illusion that she is. If this continues, Shallan might get even worse, possibly developing multiple personalities, which would (I must admit) make for a fascinating read. Anyway, these are just my thoughts on the subject, and I have an unbearable tendency to overthink things. I would love to hear the rest of your thoughts on this.
  8. 38 points
    We now tentatively know the approximate locations of Urithiru and all ten Oathgates. I've marked them with blue circles on this map. (I'm guessing with the Aimian one.) You might have noticed that I also marked off a large area in red. This huge area is conspicuously devoid of Oathgates. I call it the Oathgate Deadzone. The central and northern parts of this region are farther from an Oathgate than any other point on the Rosharan landmass. These are the areas which, in the event of a voidbringer attack, would take the longest to receive Radiant assistance. I've got to wonder if there's a reason behind this. The simplest explanation is that this region had the least need for Oathgate-based military aid. Based on the present-day distribution of Shardblades, we might conjecture that Alethela and Valhav, which made up most of the Deadzone in the Silver Kingdoms era, were very strong countries, with lots of combat-ready Radiants among their populations. But if I accepted that explanation, I could hardly justify an ominous name like "the Oathgate Deadzone." So maybe there's another explanation for it. When I think of the old Desolations, I see the Heralds and Radiants spearheading a coordinated global defense. Voidbringers appear somewhere, and within the hour there are Elsecallers and Willshapers on the scene, doing reconnaissance. Within days there'll be a fighting force of Windrunners and Skybreakers, drawing the battle lines and probing the enemy's defenses. And then, a week or two after the initial enemy incursion, the bulk of our forces arrive -- huge armies of radiants, squires, and ordinary soldiers, marched in from the nearest Oathgate. Except in the Deadzone. There, with all the Oathgates far away, the Radiants' response time suffers. The enemy has more time to rally, to dig in, to fortify their position, and be ready for battle. This means the Deadzone is where the Radiants (and humankind in general) are weakest. It's a hole in their global defense network. It's a weakness the enemy can and will exploit. If the Radiants were smart, they would have filled in this gap by building an Oathgate out there, perhaps in modern day Elanar or Northgrip. So why didn't they? Is it because they could rely on local Alethi and Vedens protecting themselves? Or is there a more sinister, catastrophic reason? Well, you know what just happens to be in the Deadzone? The Horneater Peaks. And what's in the Horneater peaks? A shardpool. The only known stationary perpendicularity on Roshar. And I don't think that's a coincidence. I think... if I was sending an army of monsters to invade Roshar, I'd send that army through Shadesmar. And the easiest way to get them into the physical realm is through that perpendicularity in the Horneater Peaks. This is my theory. Odium's unseen voidbringer hordes will arrive en masse through that shardpool. The Horneater peaks are Ground Zero for every desolation. The Radiants probably tried to set up an oathgate-base in the area, but it was always overrun and destroyed early in the desolation. The voidbringers make it their priority to secure their LZ by rapidly and decisively taking control of the region. Expect shock troops. Expect death. From there, they expand outward until Radiant resistance is strong enough to push back. Then a brutal war of attrition begins, with each side trying to cripple the other using behind-enemy-lines surgical strikes -- which is what we've seen in Dalinar's visions. The Oathgate Deadzone is actually enemy territory. Voidbringer Central. Mordor. It always has been, and it's about to be again. And when the monsters of the voidbringer vanguard pour out of the Horneater Oceans, eager to establish their home base, they will not be happy to find a whole human culture camping out around their portal. If the Horneaters don't evacuate their mountains in a hurry, they're about to be wiped out. Hence my clickbait thread title. If that's not bad enough, Hearthstone is also inside the Deadzone. And I think House Davar's estate is as well. And so is Herdaz, and potentially hundreds of Lopen's cousins. The only tangible proof I could find is this: Herdazians and Horneaters both make their homes inside the Deadzone. The two human races descended from Listeners just happen to live inside the region with the worst Oathgate service. Their presence suggests this region was once home to large Listener populations, which I think would confirm my logic: Oathgates, no; Voidbringers, yes. Throw in a perpendicularity, and it can't all be a coincidence, can it? It can, obviously. But maybe it's not! This might be the reason the Alethi and Vedens are so warlike. Their ancestors were living on the front lines. They were the first line of defense when a desolation came, and the last ones fighting to retake their lost territory as it drew to a close. If this theory is at all correct, I think we can expect so see confirmation pretty soon. I predict that we'll soon hear about some very unusual parshman activity in Vedenar. (This part has Oathbringer spoilers.) Either way, I bet we'll know before book 4. Thoughts?
  9. 37 points
    So i played with color and i think this is more legible. What i have, building on feather, is this. Obviously happy for corrections. A new storm has come. Ash and red lightning sweep the land, awakening our ancient enemies. The Unmade—shadows of the Enemy's mind—stir, while the eyes of men open. This war is not, and never was, what they thought it to be. We may soon hold Surges again. For the Radiance has resurfaced in some and [illegible] others. The Captain, broken by loss, seeks reconciliation. The Spy, broken by cruelty, seeks vindication. The Stonewalker, broken by oaths, seeks truth. The traitor, broken by ambition, seeks freedom. And finally the King, broken by war, he seeks the past. That which was abandoned. That which he must not learn. For those secrets will crush him as they did the Knights which came before.
  10. 34 points
    What follows is my current theory on how the 10 Heralds became the 10 fool's through the coarse of the Desolations. I will update this post as it evolves. I will try to provide links to all WOB. Quotes will come from the kindle versions of the books via cut and paste. I will list book, chapter, and location number. Bold will be my emphasis. Italics will be possible contradictory evidence. Number 18 here From Reddit Fantasy Bookclub Q&A with Brandon Sanderson Feb 28th, 2011 We will start with this quote which shows us all Heralds were in WOK. First, the Desolations occurred when the Heralds were sent back to Roshar after one of them broke under the torture of Odium. Second, each Herald is associated with a primary and secondary Divine Attribute. (Possibly primary from Honor, Secondary from Cultivation?) Third, the torture does not happen in the physical realm. It occurs in either the cognitive, or more likely the spiritual realm. Fourth, when Odium breaks a Herald, he is literally breaking part of that Heralds spiritual connection to the Divine Attribute. Fifth, Odium's goal was to break all the Heralds and bring about the the Everstorm, allowing him to shatter Honor and Cultivation. Sixth, breaking the Divine Attributes shifted them towards something more compatible with Odium and less compatible with Honor. This resulted in the attributes associated with the 10 Fool's. Number 19 in this WOB, says each is uniquely insane. NOTE: One of the biggliest issues with this theory is not knowing the 10 Fools attributes. Two Fools are named. Two have attributes. Cabine - He acts like a child although he is an adult. TWOK chapter 37, page 593, location 10668 Eshu - He speaks of things he does not understand in front of those who do. WOR chapter 71, page 593, location 16877 One issue I have here is that the 2 Heralds I would link these two too are both female. Paliah and Battar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) We have a WOB on this. Not a confirmation, but along those lines. 2) Herald. Primary Divine Attribute. Secondary Divine Attribute. Jezrien. Protecting. Leading Nale. Just. Confident Chanarach. Brave. Obedient Vedel. Loving. Healing Paliah. Learned. Giving Shalash. Creative. Honest Battar. Wise. Careful Kalak. Resolute. Builder Talenel. Dependable. Resourceful Ishar. Pious. Guiding 3) Since Odium was attempting to break the Heralds focus on their Divine Attribute, the torture most likely took place in the spiritual realm. The spren would probably know something if it took place in the cognitive realm. One thing pointing to the cognitive realm though is the fact that Taln appeared covered in condensation much like a shardblade. 4) By breaking the Herald, Odium shifted their Primary attribute to closer align with his shard and align less with Honors. This usually resulted in an almost inversion of the attribute. SPECIFICALLY I THINK ONLY THE PRIMARY ATTRIBUTE WAS BROKEN/TWISTED. Below I will show what I think the attribute shifted to after the Devine attribute. Herald. Primary Divine Attribute. Secondary Divine Attribute. Jezrien. Protecting. (Submission) Leading Nale. Just. (Arbitrary)(Judgement) Confident Chanarach. Brave. Obedient Vedel. Loving. Healing Paliah. Learned. Giving Shalash. Creative. (Destructive) Honest Battar. Wise. Careful Kalak. Resolute. (Weak-willed) Builder Talenel. Dependable. (Erratic) Resourceful Ishar. Pious. (Traitorous) Guiding These are based off of what we have seen or heard in the books so far. These are not perfect words, but the 17th shard manymind will probably come up with better. There are some subtle indications that only 9 of the 10 fool's have a strong history or mythology. Here is one concerning Lyft and pancakes. I think I subconsciously connected Lyft's silly quest to eat all 10 Pancakes with the 10 fool's. Research could not find a direct correlation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jezrien gives up on protecting humanity personally, submits to the Will of the group, and sacrifices Talenel to uphold the entire oathpact. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nale shifts from Just- working within the accepted standards of right and wrong to Arbitrary- following the rule of law without regards to morality.....he goes straight lawful evil. From Edgedancer Chapter 9, page 596 Arcanum Unbound, location 8565 Judgement not Justice. From Edgedancer Chapter 9, page 596 Arcanum Unbound, location 8565 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shalash is pretty clear with her running around destroying art, and significantly art that depicts her and other heralds. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kalak is in no way resolute when Jezrien meets him. He is in fact very weak willed, confessing that he cannot go back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Talenel (if it really is him) comes back a broken man, highly erratic and unable to perform his duties as the Herald of War. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ishar formed the Knights Radiant originally, he led the Bondsmiths. He was also the one who promulgated the traitorous idea that 1 Herald could support the Oathpact. From Edgedancer: And And ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5) We know there were not literally 99 desolation. I suspect there were 9. One each time Odium broke a Herald. Then the next time that Herald would not be tortured as hard so that about her would break first. Nine also being the number of Odium I believe would work well with this. After the Oathpact was discarded, Odium let humanity rewrite Roshar's history and religion in preparation for the Final Desolation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6) The corruption of the 9 Heralds weakened Honor, but the Knights Radiant provided some support, until the Day of Requience when they abandoned all their oaths. Honor shattered shortly after. I have to go back and find some more quotes and WOB to fully support some of this, but I will edit them in as I find them.
  11. 32 points
    First off acknowledgement to @hwilesfor planting this idea in my head months ago. During a discussion about Kelsier earlier today on discord with @Spoolofwhool and @Blightsong, I mentioned an idea I picked up from Hwiles about how Kelsier regained a body. There's been numerous discussions on this, all most revolving around spiking Kelsier's Cognitive Aspect to a random body/Kandra and him taking over. I believe something different, and Spool and Blight helped flesh it out some. First, we need to look at the last half of this WoB from Boskone. So, when a worldhopper is physically in the Cognitive Realm, they do not in fact have a body. They are comprised wholely of investiture, but retain their connection to the Physical realm. That connection is the only difference between a worldhopper in the Cognitive Realm, and a Cognitive Shadow like Kelsier. So what if, instead of a spike into a body, which couldn't house the entirety of Kelsier's Cognitive aspect, the spike only contains someone's connection to the Physical Realm? From this WoB, we know that hemalurgy is possible in the Cognitive. (thanks @Overstorm) so a spike can be taken into the Cognitive Realm and used. If a spike were to steal the physical connection of a person, and then placed into Kel, he would then be composed of investiture in the Cognitive Realm and have a connection to the Physical Realm, just like every worldhopper. At this point, all he needs to do is go to a perpendicularity, and transition into the Physical Realm, the same as we've seen worldhoppers do before. When he steps through, his body should form from background investiture, or whatever mechanism works for your average worldhopper. Kelsier's body may not be his original, but it's 100% his own.
  12. 32 points
    Inevitable revelation discussion, abbreviated and nowhere near as well written as Sanderson will write: Shallan: "You've been acting weird about this investigation, Adolin, and you won't let go of this theory that there are two killers. What's up, be honest with me." Adolin: "I don't know if I can tell you, I don't want you to think poorly of me." Shallan: "Just be honest with me, whatever it is, we can get though together. No judgement, just be honest with me." Adolin: "I don't know how to say this, its been driving me nuts. Shallan, I... I killed Sadeas, but none of the others!" S: " Oh, that's it. Huh. Not what I expected. We'll work through it." A: "Wait.. That's it? That's your reaction?" S: "Well yeah, we already covered that everyone hated the guy and he literally tried to have you killed. That's cool, if inconvenient." A: "But I murdered a highprince! And now someone is copying me to get away with some malevolent agenda!" S: "Good use of the word malevolent. It will be easier to catch the other killer, now that we know its two isolated crimes. Besides, killing a highprince is nothing. I murdered both of my parents, though to be fair they tried to kill me first, so self-defense." A: "Wait, what?!" S: "I said no judgement!"
  13. 30 points
    M A Y A L A D A R. 9 letters. May is 9 days away from June 9th, the publishing date of Warbreaker. May Aladar is Vivenna confirmed.
  14. 30 points
    Dealerform is used to play Twenty-One; Shuffle, cut, and distribute the cards. Counting cards must not be done: Lest the House lose its advantage of odds.
  15. 29 points
    I'll give it a shot. Brackets indicate things I'm not sure of. @Calderis fite me
  16. 29 points
    "We are the Watchers at the Rim" Oh. No.
  17. 28 points
  18. 27 points
    In a cosmere version of Taylor Swift's Shake It Off, I present Khriss singing Nazrilof (I've spoilered one stanza that deals with Secret History) Nazrilof You say you’re not that tough Complain you’ve got it rough But we don’t have enough, mmm-mmm We still don’t have enough, mmm-mmm No need to act so gruff Just one more list of stuff We still don’t have enough, mmm-mmm No we don’t have enough, mmm-mmm You just keep collecting, searching and detecting. I’m sure you can do it! I’ll be here, There’s so much left for me to write! ‘Cause mistings gonna burn (burn, burn, burn, burn) And god-kings will Return (-turn, -turn, -turn, -turn) There’s so much still to learn (learn, learn, learn, learn) Nazrilof! Nazrilof! Ferrings have metalminds (minds, minds, minds, minds) While Radiants surgebind (bind, bind, bind, bind) I feel so far behind (-hind, -hind, -hind, -hind) Nazrilof! Nazrilof! Your map of Luthadel Was annotated well! Do one of Fjordell, mmm-mmm And then these other twelve, mmm-mmm Just keep collecting, searching and detecting. I’m sure you can do it! I’ll be here, There’s so much still I have to write! Awakening takes Breath (breath, breath, breath, breath) Shades linger after death (death, death, death, death) So many facts still left (left, left, left, left) Nazrilof! Narilof! On Sel they draw Aons (-ons, -ons, -ons, -ons) The dead pass to Beyond (-ond, -ond, -ond, -ond) Can’t get anything wrong (wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong) Nazrilof! Nazrilof! Nazrilof! Nazrilof! {repeats} Hey, hey, hey Just think! While you’ve been getting maps and charts about the manifestations of investiture across worlds, You might have been a shade back on Thren-o-dy Bavadin says I can’t come home She’s like, “Not a chance!” but I’ll just work with Nazh. And that fella over there with the shocking white hair Couldn’t tell you near as much about Arcana. A spike worn in the ear (ear, ear, ear, ear) Taln’s Scar and Reya’s Tear (tear, tear, tear, tear) Describe the whole cosmere (-mere, -mere, -mere, -mere) Nazrilof! Narilof! Draw spren, seons, and skaze (skaze, skaze, skaze, skaze) Chart Ashyn, Nalthis, Braize (Braize, Braize, Braize, Braize) So much that will amaze (-maze, -maze, -maze, -maze) Nazrilof! Nazrilof! Nazrilof! Nazrilof! [repeats]
  19. 27 points
    Now I can't stop myself from imagine all people from Roshar like: "Oh No! The Voidbringers have come" And people from Azir: "And even worse, they have binding contracts!"
  20. 26 points
    So, the Voidbringers aren't actually Voidbringers yet (good confirmation of what some of us have been suspecting since the first Kaladin chapter), and they even have a spren working with them. A yellow streak of light... almost sounds like another honorspren, except they're blue, and I would think that Syl would recognize one of her sisters. We've seen a combination of alerting and the color yellow before - the alerter fabrial used a heliodor. I wonder if there's any connection? If this spren is actually a sentient spren who can think, or if it is how the Listeners (and now Kaladin) see the "alerterspren"? Shallan's adopting of the Brightness Radiant persona feels very much like Soulforging, from Emperor's Soul, so I think there's something deeper going on than just mental gymnastics on her part. I've previously drawn connections between Forgery and Soulcasting, since we've seen both cases utilize the history of an object (Shai needs to know where the stones were quarried, Shallan needed to appeal to the Wind's Pleasure's long history with its sailors). I think Shallan is using Transformation on her Spiritual self when she adopts a persona. Another similar thing concept that comes to mind is gold Allomancy, bringing up an alternate version of yourself. But Shallan isn't just changing her history, she's bringing in parts of other people. Brightness Radiant is made of Jasnah; Veil is made of Tyn. Shallan is changing pieces of her soul temporarily into other people.
  21. 26 points
    In the JordanCon Q&A session, it is revealed that there is a location where worldhoppers tend to congregate and set down roots. Not much else is revealed, except that it exists and is not a planet. We also know that there is a Shard not attached to a planet, but also that large concentrations of Investiture tend to warp the Cognitive realm. I find it somewhat hard to believe that there is a Shard just floating out in the wider interstellar medium (though I do recognize that it could have settled on a moon, star, or other astrophysical object). Moreover, it would not be particularly difficult to locate that Shard, so the location can't be some secret. Instead, I would like to propose that the proprietor of the Restaurant, as it were, is this Shard. It provides some notion of shelter to the various worldhoppers, along with a Investiture "anchor." This anchor acts like a planet or moon filled with life, allowing them to settle in the Cognitive realm without requiring the corresponding planet in the Physical realm. I think this is plausible for two reasons. First, I find it unlikely that every Shard is mostly focused only on their own world. I would guess that at least one takes the wider cosmere view, and thus refused to set down roots in a planet due to the restrictions. Second, worldhoppers are among the most powerful and dangerous group of individuals, and I would guess that any community would want to hide under the umbrella of a Shard to avoid being flattened by other Shards. Of course, this idea is patently ridiculous and over-the-top. However, I find the existence of the Restaurant to be intriguing, and I can't wait to learn more.
  22. 25 points
    @Extesian Thanks so much for the decipher! Unseriously, So Shallan goes to Scadrial and finds Wax's gun
  23. 24 points
    “Not that I know of,” she said. Her heart was beating quickly, her skin growing cold, her muscles tense. She fought against the sensation. “I don’t know where Plate comes from.” Guys,.... this really seams like a sander-hint , much like when she wouldnt think of her shardblade........
  24. 22 points
    The part that nearly broke me was in Kaladin's chapter: They just found freedom after millenia of being mentally neutered. And they are stuck out in the rain, with no real skills. No fires to cook with, not for lack of trying. Eating soggy grains that have not been boiled because they have nothing else. And all the skills they do have are low maintenance slave duties. This is freedom. My biggest fear, if Kaladin does manage to bring them to the safety of Urithiru as an independent society to be protected, that they will fall back into third class menial labor for the Alethi... I really hope Kaladin can work with them to find a solution that allows them to have meaningful lives to go with their freedom rather than this rather depressing tableau we are shown. Playing cards in the rain, because the masters found it fun, hoping to remember the rules. Right in the feels.
  25. 22 points
    Nah, but he is kind of easy to push around if you try. Dalinar: Stormfather, bond me. Stormfather: NEVER!!! Dalinar: I will unite Stormfather: Alright, I guess I'll bond you. Or this: Dalinar: Stormfather, take me to the ruins of Kholinar in this vision. Stormfather: No Dalinar: Do it! Stormfather: Yeah, okay, whatever. Or this: Syl: I want to return to Kaladin Stormfather: I will not allow it! Syl returns to Kaladin. Stormfather: Okay, do whatever you want. Stormfather is a pushover.
  26. 22 points
    OMG, I want a scene where Shallan and Adolin are in some form of meeting, they hold hands or make some other mostly innocent sweet gesture, followed by Pattern yelling NO MATING in the middle of the meeting.
  27. 22 points
    this one defiantly, also I'm writing this from memory so I might not have it exact.
  28. 22 points
    Brandon was so kind to reply to my answer about Shardblades and Alluminium: Q: Hi, the Comunity has a doubt, We have two WoB: Shardblades cut Alluminium Shardblades can't cut it Witch one is true one? A: Hm. Yes, I wondered last night if I'd ever answered this before. Truth is, the answer is contentious at Team Sanderson. A: I've been pushing for one answer, but Peter (whom I trust) is pushing back. We will see what ends up in the books as canon. A: Problem with magic like I do is sometimes you have to wait for the scientific consensus... Err on "no" for now So for now there is a no canon answer because honestly even God doesn't know
  29. 21 points
    Pattern: No mating !!!!! Syl: Go for it Kal Pattern: No, not allowed...... what is he doing now Syl: Yay keep it up! Gives a whole new meaning to the peanut gallery
  30. 20 points
  31. 20 points
    'Wanna divide by zero?' is the greatest pickup line ever.
  32. 19 points
    I don't think anyone mentioned it yet, but it looks like the reason that Lightweavers speak truths is because of all the people and lies they can become. It strengthens the bond with their spren and keeps their 'self' in tact, while simultaneously reaching a level of self awareness. No matter who Shallan becomes, she can't shove aside her truths. @Stark I agree that if she rejects her truths, she will break her oaths and kill pattern.
  33. 19 points
    I'm laughing so hard at the moment Pattern, you are wonderful (maybe not in terms of being a chaperone, but you could still apply as a Math teacher).
  34. 17 points
    Don't you mean the UnMayed? EDIT: And I currently have nine upvotes, so clearly I'm an Unmade as well.
  35. 17 points
    Chapter 13: Chaperone What a fun chapter! I don't think there are many things I can comment on specifically, but overall, it's just quality fun. I needed that. Pattern's "No mating!" calls are bound to turn into a meme before long (and I am waiting on the fanart). And his "dividing by zero" line almost had me laughing out loud. Just... what a fun a chapter! One tiny thing I liked from the chapter is that the setting sun is described as "casting ruby and topaz light". Not red and yellow, ruby and topaz - which is so much more in-world. I am a huge fan of those turns of phrase. Chapter 14: Squires Can’t Capture Instant sympathy! Hmm, what is this? The only sensible guess right now is one of those comet spren, but I don't think that's it. Also, did the voice come from it? Chapter 15: Brightness Radiant Oh, come on, give me Kaladin back! Adolin Kholin, progressive. It is easy to like him. Shallan Davar, not so progressive. Darkeyes are people too, baby girl, don't be like that! Oh, because of course he would. Should've seen that. Dueling is his life, of course he would be more than eager to share that with his betrothed. Oh, it's interesting that the Cryptics will send another. Also, Pattern's constant willingness to die, it's breaking my heart. Accept him already, Shallan! So, this is interesting. We saw some of this in Words of Radiance, but it's much clearer now that Shallan, or perhaps all Lightweavers, can (temporarily) change people, including themselves. Shallan in particular seems to be putting together a portfolio of personas - first Veil, now Brightness Radiant. Obviously this is a terrible coping mechanism, though it is something; still, it's going bite her in the rear sometime in the future (maybe she'll have to give it up as her Ideal?), and boy, is that going to suck for her. I'm excited to see her portfolio grow though. Uh, that's a very... formal Shallan. Don't like it. lol
  36. 16 points
    This song is a tribute for Disney, but also a tribute to Bridge Four. ( @Faceless Mist-Wraith still working on Cold as Ice) Let’s get down to business, to lift up the bridge! Are we to be martyrs, when we run the ridge? You’re the saddest bunch I’ve ever met But you can bet before we’re through Bridgemen, I’ll make a man out of you. Slaving for the lighteyes but rebel within Once you find your center, you are sure to win You’re a storming, pale, pathetic lot And you haven’t got a clue Somehow I’ll take the slave out of you I’m never gonna lift the bridge To Damnation go those lighteyes Storms, was I a fool in war for cutting lords Kaladin’s got me scared to death Hope he doesn’t see right through me Now I really wish for some ale and gin Bridge Four! We must be swift like the racing Fleet! Bridge Four! With all the force of an Everstorm! Bridge Four! With all the strength of a chasmfiend! Mysterious as the dark side of the Plains! Time is racing toward us till the next bridge run Heed all commands, and you might survive! We’re unsuited for the rage of war So kneel down, and pray to gods How could I honor men such as you! Bridge Four! We must be swift like the racing Fleet! Bridge Four! With all the force of an Everstorm! Bridge Four! With all the strength of a chasmfiend! Mysterious as the dark side of the Plains! Bridge Four! We must be swift like the racing Fleet! Bridge Four! With all the force of an Everstorm! Bridge Four! With all the strength of a chasmfiend! Mysterious as the dark side of the Plains! Hyaa!
  37. 16 points
    So, total thoughts: I am unbelievably happy that not all listeners have gone dark side. And that a non-red spren seems to be helping them. I'm hoping that Kaladin helps these ones, and links back to the end of WoK when he told Dalinar that Bridge four would not fight them. I want to see what happens here. And that spren are helping them, that is huge. And it seems like truespren, sapient in its own right if it is communicating and standing guard, so who is it bonding to? I think Shallan's next truth will have to do with accepting that she is all of her persona's, that they are all her, not separate personalities to be discarded when not needed. She is each of them. But until she can accept that truth, they are a good crutch. Similarly fascinating, the truths she used as her ideals cannot be forgotten or hidden from, without breaking her Oaths to Pattern and killing him. It breaks my heart that he is willing to leave her and let a different spren take his place because he thinks she hates him. I need them to resolve this. Adolin and Shallan is fun, especially the frantic realization that her hand is exposed. I also like that she was better able to replicate the stances once she understood the necessity of balance to include in her drawings. And how much did Adolin pick up on about her transformation? I hope he will be the first to notice her changes, and help her towards the next truth. Want more Kaladin, I want him to interact with freed listeners. Finally, for now, Shallanspren, Sylblade... So... Uncle Stormfather? Wyndlefork? Glysblade? Ivory-balest?
  38. 15 points
    I also want to see Shallan interact with some listeners in her various guises. How will they interpret her? A human who has forms? Veil is her subterfugeform, Radiant is her warform, Shallan is her artform? That could be a fascinating discussion, and I think the listeners, who change forms when they need, will be best suited to spotting the different Shallans who exist.
  39. 15 points
  40. 15 points
    I'm disappointed in you guys, missing some obvious connections. Massive Cosmere spoilers ahoy Also Lift, just because. In my honest and sleep deprived opinion.
  41. 15 points
    But will it have a release trailer?
  42. 15 points
    Waxillium is not throwing away his shot.
  43. 14 points
  44. 13 points
    I misread a certain topic title as "Musical Adaptation of Way of Kings", so guys. We're doing this. What would the Cosmere books be like as a musical? Anyone got any ideas for songs? Inb4 'Defying Gravity' as Windrunner!Kaladin's big solo number
  45. 13 points
    I think my earlier theory is right, the Parshmen are not voidbringers (at least not yet), the everstorm gave them back their souls, their ability to bond spren, or just broke whatever had been done to enslave them in the first place. I have another theory that desolations are wars between groups of people with Odium driving everyone to be worse in these wars, and maybe he follows up at the end with an evil army. One thing I caught rereading WoR: "The Parshmen wouldn't need to turn violent to throw us into chaos - though I'm certain that is what's coming- they could simply walk away. It would cause an economic crisis." I think this will pose huge economic problems for Kholinar, and it will cause Kaladin huge problems because he can't just kill innocent Parshendi. He didn't want to fight Parshendi in WoR because they were so honorable. At the same time, the worlds economy is going to be collapsing, which will cause wars. I predict this book will be about Kaladin protecting two mostly innocent sides from each other, when both sides have reasons to hate the other. One side thinks the other is ancient monsters, the other side knows they were enslaved. Edit: the quote from WoR is from page 111 kindle edition.
  46. 12 points
    Kaladin has found the terrible Voidbringers. Oh so terrible. And they speak unaccented Alethi that, if he closed his eyes, would be indistinguishable from the people of Hearthstone. The Parshmen have been freed of slaveform, but they still don't know how to access the rhythms. I imagine that this is something that most Listeners learn as infants or toddlers. It's so heavily ingrained into the culture of the Parshendi that they don't consciously teach it. I see this continuing a schism between the Parshmen, and the non-Voidform Parshendi. And it implies more. If the rhythms are learned as a part of the cultural development of young listeners, then these parshmen, who have lived their whole lives in servitude know the cultures in which they served intimately, and it explains much of the previous chapters. The Thaylen ships were taking by normal Parshmen who have been used on ships. The Azish Parshmen negotiating have been been present for countless contracts and witnessed unending bureaucracy. These parshmen are all products of the cultures that produced them. The Azish told us that some are different, with strange powers, so the Voidforms are probably present, gathering and guiding these Parshmen, but they have to be subtle, because although an obviously powerful leader, explaining what's happened to them and most likely taking credit, is a strong motivator, but people as a whole are usually hesitant to engage in wholesale slaughter until they've been worked up into a mob. This little snippet of information in the Kaladin chapter explains so so much about what we've read previously.
  47. 12 points
    This is the tinfoilist tinfoil that has ever tinfoiled on the shard.
  48. 12 points
    >Being happy that your romantic interest is being broad-minded >Be narrow-minded at the same time #justshallanthings
  49. 11 points
    Not to be crass... But given that spren come from the cognitive realm, and the cognitive realm is composed of the things people think about, and given the overwhelming popularity of sex in the real world...... I'm just saying, Spren shouldn't have much to be curious about, there's probably whole Shadesmar continents devoted to the subject o_0
  50. 11 points
    Kelsier and his crew: Raise a glass to freedom (Hamilton) Adolin in WoR: The ten duel commandments (Hamilton) Ruin In HoA: Be prepared (The Lion King) Spook, Breeze, etc after HoA: Dear Theodosia (Hamilton) Hrathen and Sarene: Farmer Refuted Shallan at beginning of WoK: My shot
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