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With no where else to go, Khamsi had returned to the inn, despite the owner's untimely demise. There had been nowhere else to sleep, and considering that the villagers seemed untrustworthy of even each other at this point, it didn't seem the best course of action to beg a room with one of them. Besides, the bed she'd slept in before had been so comfy. How could she give that up? It seemed somehow wrong, though, and as she looked out on the empty common room, she frowned. The Spruce Thicket had not had a large staff to begin with, and it seems with the innkeeper's death, what help had been here had run off. Running off seemed like a good idea; too bad she had signed that contract with the mayor the day she arrived, after a few too many pints to be able to read properly. Why he had included a clause about defending the village, she had no idea - what could he honestly expect from a gleewoman? Dazzle the Trollocs with juggling? Admittedly, her skills were very impressive, but she could eat fire, not breath it. While there was no way the contract could truly be enforced, especially with the mayor dead, if it got out that she had fled without providing the services she had promised, her reputation would be ruined. She wouldn't be able to perform in an empty field, let alone noble courts. Shaking her head, she sighed. She was a woman of her word, and would fulfill her contract. Light burn it. She ran a finger along the duty surface of one table, considering. Her eyes scanned the room again, feeling the emptiness. A place like this should not be empty.... Several moments passed, and then Khamsi nodded sharply. Heading into the back storage room, she rummaged around until she found a large board. Wiping it clean, she gave it a quick inspection, then brought it back up and into the kitchens. She stared at it for another moment, then fetched a piece of worn charcoal from a pocket within her sleeve. Several minutes later, a new sign hung on the door. Brushing her hands on her cloak, Khamsi stared at the sprawling calligraphy with pride, admiring the intricate and flowing design work done along the sides. She could have done more with additional time and materials, but not bad for a quarter hour and a single piece of charcoal. The Spruce Thicket - she wondered if she was allowed to change the name - was once again open for business. Someone, after all, had to get the townsfolk drunk. Khamsi has decided to take over the inn, because why not. This should have gone up much earlier, but an unfortunate power outage early this morning and a busy day prevented this. Just pretend this scene took place before the common was commandeered by Erik. I would have made a graphic for the sign, but too much actual paying design work to do at the moment, so just pretend it's super-impressive, k? Khamsi will vote later, if she votes; I just wanted to get this bit of RP up.

Ok, so I had this theory the other day while I was contemplating a new character or stoy I could write for a potential Fan-Fic or story of my own. Anyways... Nalan is THE Skybreaker right? That means that he must uphold the law, every law, everywhere. What the Stormfather says is considered as law to a Surgebinder right? So if ol' Stormy(not Stormageddon, the other one) says to his Spren "DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AT ALL return to Roshar or you'll be grounded," that would be a law in Nalan's eyes. SO, he goes around killing Surgebinders because that's the easiest way to kill a spren, THAT is the real reason why he doing what he is doing. He's just trying to carry out the Stormfather's commands to the spren. another theory was that he was killing Cutivation's spren because she sent them against Honor's will. The only Surgebinders we see him kill or try to kill is a Truthseer and an Edgedancer both of which are theorizd elsewhere to be Cultivation spren right? We know from Wendel that his "Mother" sent him across which would make one assume she sent her other spren out into Roshar for the same reason, thereby, in the words of Mufasa, Deliberatley Diobeying Honor. I think this is my first actual theory so please, tear it apart and make me see the truth... KURK, get over here!

I have been reading fantasy (and sci-fi) all my life, and I just finished listening to both audiobooks of the Stormlight Archive. I recently started doing that with my long commute. When a sword was given to Szeth and it seemed to be Nightblood, I was flabbergasted. What is Nightblood doing in this series? I had to come online to see if I was wrong and found this site. I had no idea that Sanderson's books were interrelated. One thing I learned about from listening to an audiobook is I don't pronounce the names in my head anymore when I am reading. I see the letters and view them as a symbol (I think). When I first started reading the forums I was reading the names of the characters and not knowing who they were talking about; I had to sound them out and then it clicked. Weird. I have been reading his books since Elantris and love that his books keep getting better and better. He seems to be growing as a writer with every book. Words of Radiance is his best work to date in my opinion. The only bad thing is that I have to wait for the next one. Edit: I put in a spoiler alert because someone who didn't read it yet might not want to know about Nightblood

I have developed a new theory, one accounting for the purple chart in Way of Kings that is so similar to the Radiant chart. I call it: The Knights Absorbent The Voidbinding equivalent of the Knights Radiant Premise The Way of Kings comes with two similar chart illustrations included within. One is a chart detailing the ten Surges, and the glyphs for the ten orders of Knights Radiant, who are Surgebinders. It is highly likely the purple chart corresponds to the Voidbinders. On the chart (seen below), we have ten corresponding icons to the Surges, and ten corresponding Glyphs for the Orders. Thus, there must be equivalents to the Surges and the Knights Radiant - enter the Knights Absorbent. Logic The term given to the users of Surges are called Surgebinders. Why are they called Surges? When a Surgebinder activates their abilities, they begin by concentrating Stormlight and gathering power. This high concentration of power leaks from them, and they can release it through Surgebinding. The Surge in Surgebinding is this concentration of power release - the power is Surging. We know that the opposing force is called Voidbinding. It stands to reason then, that the opposite of the ten Surges would be the ten Voids. Indeed, we can see that the glyphs for the Voids are oppositely symmetrical as compared to the Surges. If Surges are an increased concentration, it makes sense that Voids are the opposite - a lack, an area of decreased concentration. We can logically see then that Voidbinding creates a low density area where Surgebinding created a high density area. The Knights Radiant earned their name by their Radiance. Nothing is more sensible. They Radiate light and power, because of how a concentration works - it wants to diffuse into areas of lower concentration (e.g. everything else in this case) Voidbinding then, would have the opposite effect. Nearby concentrations of power would seem to be drawn into the Voidbinder, it would seem that instead of Radiating, they Absorb. The ten Glyphs of the Knights Radiant demand an equal and opposing order of Knights from the Voidbinders ten glyphs. If the Knights Radiant are termed such because they radiate, then we must call this opposing order the Knights Absorbent. But without the Heralds to model themselves after, any spren with which they bonded would have no shape on which to base their Shardblade, no form on which to base their Shardplate. No, they could not have made Shardplate or Blade at all - they must look to the weaponry which defines their order. The Knights Absorbent and then spren then, must be equipped with a deadly weapon, well known to many, which comes from an item with an absorbency like no other: The cardboard tube sword taken from a roll of paper towels. This weapon has a long history, of being used both in mighty wars and conflicts, and by some of the most renowned duelists in history. It is truly a weapon with an unimpeachable past, with a Bounty of techniques passed down from father to son through the ages. But what of Shardplate? The Knights Absorbent must have armor as well, but not hard armor to stop a blow - no, they must have armor that absorbs all impacts, armor that can take any punishment given to them, armor which has been associated with cardboard tube swords for eons. Yes, it must be pillow armor. There is no other option, and the evidence is clear. Below, we display an artist's rendition of the fearsome Knights Absorbent, which we will likely not see for several books. Beware of spoilers! And beware of nightmares, for their depiction is truly the stuff of terror. Radiants be warned, your doom is at hand! Sources: All Evidence comes directly from the purest of Logic and the Gospel of Brandon, may the Everstorm Reign forever.

Hi I'm Slimy 12345678910 I am a friend of Queen Elsa Steelheart and she convinced me to joined 17th Shard. I have read Elantris, Way Of Kings, Words Of Radiance, Warbreaker, Steelheart, The Rithmatist, Mistborn, Alloy of Law and the 1st book in Wheel of Time. So, Hi

From late December to early January, my parents took me on a vacation. I generally hate vacation, because everything good about it (shopping, going on the internet, reading books) is something I can do at home, and it's packaged with worse showers, bad food, uncomfortable beds, and stupid air travel. Also, my parents always want me to go look at excruciatingly boring things which are supposedly "life-changing attractions". We were staying in Hilton Head, South Carolina. One day, which was almost certainly in January, I saw a man walk into a clothing store I was in. He looked exactly like Brandon Sanderson, but I knew I was being silly because Brandon Sanderson lives in Utah. I considered going over to him and asking him if he was Brandon, but I'm pretty shy IRL, I knew Brandon lived in Utah, and I didn't want to be embarrassed if it wasn't him. He left a few minutes later, and I left the store to look at his plates. But I couldn't see where he had gone, and I only saw cars from South Carolina. I decided that it wasn't Brandon, but felt amused that some random guy from South Carolina looked exactly like him. Today, while sitting in math class, I realized that Brandon Sanderson would have gone to South Carolina in January because of the release of A Memory of Light. Since he looked exactly like Brandon, and was around the place where Brandon was at the time, I'm almost certain it was him. I was right next to my favourite author, and I didn't even say a word to him. I know some of you have met him, I'm just a high school student from Ottawa, Canada, so the odds that I would be going to one of his tours are slim. The realization of what I missed out on has pretty much ruined my day. Now I'm desperately wishing that I could have said something to him. Ugh. I need some reassurance or something from my fellow Brandon fans. *Kicks self.*

Heeey everybody! My name's Hailey! I've been a huge Brandon Sanderson fan ever since I devoured read Mistborn in high school. I've never truly joined a forum in my life, so forgive me if I royally fudge something up (the likelihood is...pretty high). My friend--he goes by Erai on here--convinced me to sign up, so maybe he can get brownie points for that. Haha. I've read all of Sanderson's Cosmere books besides Elantris & Alloy of Law. Elantris somehow got dropped like a year ago and I'm right in the middle of AoL now!! (Wayne?? Wayne. Just. Wayne is perfect.) Not much to say about me besides I'm a gigantic fan of fiction, particularly fantasy and YA, I'm a senior in college, and I think seahorses are way too cute to be real life things. I guess I'm hoping to meet lots of fellow Cosmere friends because not having many people to gush over these books is kind of wreaking havoc on my happiness. So please don't hesitate to chat me up because I already think you guys are super amazing!! My question to you: if you could go on a super stellar date with a Brandon Sanderson character, who would it be and where would you go?

Here's how Taravangian comes across to me. Here's a man, a deeply compassionate and caring man, who is so concerned with the well-being of others that he is personally funding the hospitals with no expense to those treated. He is friends with Gavilar, who is having visions from Honor. From these visions, the two of them know a Desolation is coming, and perhaps even make plans to work towards stopping it together, but we have no way of knowing that. But then, Gavilar is assassinated. T. is left cut off from the source of all of his information for how to stop the deaths of the people he deeply cares about, and turns in grief or desperation to the Nightwatcher, who grants the boon and curse of fluctuating intelligence/inversely proportional to his empathy (although one potential theory that I like is that the boon was the single day of super-powered intelligence and the curse was the inverse relationship between his intelligence/empathy after. There is nothing in the text that requires his super-intelligence on the day of the Diagram to be associated with zero-empathy.) As a direct result of this, he has the Day of the Diagram (which should become the official title ). A moment of clarity so perfect and precise that he can see by the logical extensions of his own (dare I say it?) supernaturally-powered reason exactly how to influence the predictable course of human history in such a way as to produce the highest possible chance (from his perspective) of saving humanity. And then, he is left alone, cut off again from the source of brilliance and foresight and ability to plan for the future. He knows that Honor is dead, either from the visions or from insight gained from his flash of intelligence. For whatever reason, he believes the Knights Radiant are unreliable (perhaps the secret that destroyed them before has something to do with this). He remembers being smart enough to see all of this, and has committed himself to that course of action. From the information he had on the Day of the Diagram,TM he has laid out the best possible course. Like Shaggai said, he is not capable of coming up with another plan comparable to it. He and Dalinar together are not capable. He and Dalinar and Jasnah and Kaladin and Shallan and Syl and Pattern and Ivory altogether likely lack the combined intelligence to come up with a superior plan. They certainly lack the information. So he's locked himself into a course that he can't get out of. Like Shaggai says, he is morally committed to it now. There isn't any backing down for him now, unless a way that is demonstrably superior in every way. It's a simple, logical position. In fact, it's the basic operating principle of science. The scientific method is inherently conservative. You hang on to the descriptions of reality you have, even as the discrepancies mount, because there isn't anything better. And when a new model that is demonstrably (and consistently so over time) better at describing reality is established, you jump ship (after thoroughly testing the model). Taravangian is acting the same way. Of course, it may not be the right position. In fact, given the state of things in the books so far, it almost certainly isn't the right position. And the Diagram certainly suffers from a crippling lack of the ability to perfectly self-correct. (It should here be noted that the Diagram has some limited self-correcting ability built into it, and Mr. T. has attempted to access more by the use of the Death Rattles, but it almost certainly won't be enough to counteract the full force of accumulated error over time.) And this is the point that I make it clear that Mr. T's way of saving humanity is an awful way. An absolutely bloody, morally bankrupt and awful way to save humanity. But he believes that it is the only way. And if it were, in fact, the only way, then the only moral choice would be to follow it. Because saving the world is a morally higher cause than the life of any individual or any group of individuals. But, from the viewpoints of other characters we have seen, it isn't the only way. And because we know that, we know that Taravangian's plan is an immoral and a wrong one, because there is a better option. But he can't see that. As far as he can see, his only option is to follow the Diagram exactly, because he is no longer intelligent enough to put together workable alternatives. And until he is confronted with evidence that there is, in fact, such a workable alternative (and one that doesn't require wading through rivers of blood to get there), he is morally incapable of changing his path. My prediction is that one of the important sub-plots of the first 5 books will be Mr. T slowly coming face-to-face with the fact that there was a more ethically acceptable option for saving humanity than the Diagram. His actions have been justified so far only by the strongest necessity. The existence of another viable and workable option removes that necessity, and so as he realizes that Dalinar's option is, in fact, workable, he will have to come to terms (or fail to do so) with the fact that his actions were not necessary, and therefore were not justified. I believe that this realization will break him. I don't know if he will heal over time, whether he will find himself dead at the hands of some justice-dealing hero, or dead by his own hand in remorse. But I think he will break when he realizes that things didn't have to be the way the Diagram outlined. Needless to say, I find Taravangian an exquisitely tragic character.

Are you kidding? If I saw him online, I'd be enraged that he was wasting time dealing with us dweebs (no offense) instead of writing Stones Unhallowed.

(BTW Death, you are too nice for people to NOT upvote you.

"Laughing fool, as one of the Twinthrone's Frostknights I can not allow ye to duel my queen," BT drew his black broadsword in one hand and summoned his frostblade in the other, a layer of frost formed around him and solidified in to a set of plate armor, "If you want a duel, I've got one for you. LEFTY!! My soulcast beer drinking table if you would be so kind." BT looked at the queen, "Any flavor you could possibly imagine Queen Elsa, I will gladly retrieve for you as soon as I'm done with the Frostbitten joke." BreathTaker stared at the Fool, his normally black/brown eyes glowing an icy blue with frost around the sockets, "Now, you horse faced son of a mare, pick your weapon. Sword, Brew, or slap fight? I am prepared for anything you choose," (Btw, I'm just playing the part. Just as I've been playing the super nice drunk, I rarely get the opportunity to drink in real life and I can't remember the last time I got drunk ((pun absolutely intended)))

Killing the surgebinder won't kill the spren, as long as the person didn't break their oaths.

Hmm not TOTALLY preposterous: "This time, she wore a uniform: camouflage trousers and dark tunic." (Insignia) Apparently I'm a ninja! Edit: I just thought I'd take a quick look in my next nearest book: 'Still, three thousand boxings... That would be enough to tempt even the most logical thief " #mistbornarewaycoolerthanninjas Edit 2: Thats it. I'm definitely Mistborn because I just hit top 16 rank!!!

Welcome! Draw something! Draw a rockbud!

Appears outside the party hall carrying some trays with a large barrel levitating behind her. "I brought piggies in a blanket. Oh! and some ginger ale."

More like Invision Power Board got more popular and they are coding to it Don't worry, they are just machines. I kill them before they rise up against us. I love the smell of dead spambots in the morning. It's basically my routine now.

Necroed Shallan thinks that Amaram killed her brother Helaran, but she's going to find out the truth. At the end of Words of Radiance Amaram confesses to killing the men to take the Shardblade, and Dalinar promises to have a trial for it. When that trial happens, Shallan will find out about Kaladin killing Helaran. Or will she find out before? And how will she react when that happens? Will her friendship with Kaladin be shattered by that? I personally think Shallan will find out from the Ghostbloods, but as to how she'll react, I'm completely unsure.

I won't be on much this summer, unfortunately, I will miss you all.

I've read all his cosmere works so far and wheel of time! Looking forward to enjoying this site! I like to draw stuff even though im not very good ^^

Just getting off a 13hr day and my brain is fried so apologies if my logic isn't on par tonight. I'll better explain myself tomorrow after I've gotten some sleep if this doesn't make sense. My thoughts on the current potential noose fillers. Bella - Having one of their members add the deciding lynch vote late in the day seems like a reckless move for the DF's on the very first day. They had to know what kind of suspicion that would cause. Taking out someone that early isn't worth risking the exposure of one of their members. Granted, Bela could have acted on her own or the DF's thought the risk was worth it but for now I'm willing to accept Bela's reasoning for why she voted. Lam - The "Forsaken/Fain didn't act last night so one of the inactive players must be that role" argument seems a bit thin to me. It's possible, but not strong enough for me to vote someone out based on it. If I were Fain, I wouldn't have converted anyone last night either. He/she only has so many conversations so needs to be very carful with who they choose. Fain can afford to sit back and let the villagers/DF's pick each other off for a little while he/she gathers intel on ideal targets. Jim - I won't mind if Jim gets lynched. I haven't hidden the fact that I'm not a fan of inactive players. If you aren't posting, voting, and discussing the game, you are a detriment to the villagers because that's our primary means of identifying the DF's. I'd rather kill an inactive villager than risk the possibility of a DF skating by just because we ignored them in the background. Jain - Your vote for Lam created a few red flags since to me the logic seemed a bit faulty. I was willing to let it slide though because my experience in the past is that the two of us follow the beat of different drummers in how we approach this game. Your switch to help bandwagon Jim, however, I can't ignore since essentially your argument for bandwagoning was that you wanted to join a bandwagon which is never a good thing. What I see in the pattern (no pun intended) is you voting for lam to sway votes from Bela. When that didn't amount to anything and it looked like Jim was going to overtake Bela, you jumped on that one instead. I could be jumping at shadows but that's what makes the most sense to me for why you voted how you did (as stated above, I have difficulties predicting your actions normally so it's entirely possible I am completely off on that but gotta trust my own instincts). As such, I'm voting for you today even though it's likely Jim will be leaving us instead. If you do turn out to be a DF, I will be reassessing my suspicions of Bela.

The Fool deftly applies a thick oil across the length of his blade, then draws it sharply across the length of his gauntlet causing it to ignite. He smiles. "It is nothing personal, Queen Elsa. Merely a contract. I don't doubt that, in the future, I'll be in your employ." Laughing Fool takes a long draught of a harsh smelling bourbon. Cautiously approaching the first ice monster, he spits it through the flame on his blade, creating a large fireball that engulfs the first monster. "I hope these creatures are not valuable to you; I merely wish to duel you, not destroy your possessions."

Still think Feruchemy's the best magical system, but I do admit that I get lonely.. And having a magical friend that can travel through walls, only you can see, and can become giant sword on command would be incredibly awesome

Then you are also hit with a Miss-iles (Get it?)

We shall miss you as well, even if you are a Featherblade.

I would like the ability to find things w- ease. (Items, knowledge, people) I would like the ability to repair relationships instantly.

Their hands glow and fly over their keyboards. Also, I imagine this battle as a Matrix/Stormlight crossover where the admins enter the matrix and appear as an Inquisitor/Radiant hybrid with tron shardblades who fight off Spamclasts and Black and Green Spamshendi... This must be chronicled.

Elsa Steelheart, I formally challenge you to a duel.

"You've been very kind and welcoming to me here. It means a lot." She smiles. "May I try some?"

I never once claimed to be saved by the wisdom. It's a possibility (in which case I wouldn't be claiming to not be Fain) but as has been pointed out by others already, having Aiel-blood or protection form earth weaves would explain my survival just as well and having either of those two roles would preclude me from being Fain. Game 5 is the only game I have been on team evil. While I would like your law to help me out, I do not believe it would apply. I actually found the sudden wave of votes for Lam to be rather odd as well. For the moment I'm going to hold off on voting though. I will be working a 12 hour day tomorrow with no computer access so might not be able to keep track of the game. I don't like making votes when I'm not sure I'll be able to change it before the deadline if need be.

Ah, fair enough. Thanks for the clarification I've once read a book--the Vineart Trilogy--on mages who cast spells using wine. I've always wanted to build a magic system around tea. I've currently been thinking of things like making and drinking tea as the foundation for magic, particularly as I'm re-reading the history of tea at the moment Other things people could do with magic, just off the top of my head (not so sure if they're mundane or otherwise): use it as currency, use it in order to fix broken electronic devices (ha!), use it to make extremely fancy and intricate dishes when cooking. (I'll try to be more productive/creative later on )

When you wish wearing glasses meant something more about you than being near- or far-sighted.

Truth be told I think there's been at least one moment of pure shock in every Sanderson book I've read. Mistborn: Sazed at the end of the final book! I also started crying, just bawling. It was such a wonderful way to wrap up his character and the series as a whole. TWoK: Stupid Sadeas betraying Dalinar. I was so invested in his change of character and I was berating myself for hating him earlier and I just wanted to squish his ugly face. Then he pulled his army out at the last second and left Dalinar to die. I remember putting the book down and feeling a total gut punch. I felt legitimately betrayed . A little piece of my trust in characters died that day. WoR: When you realize who the Shardbearer that Kaladin killed was! Holy smokes. I started yelling at the book, my roommate burst in, I babbled/explained what had just happened, she was giving me the strangest look...yeah. I figure the other shoe still has to drop on that little revelation.

I think that I can speak for everyone here when I say that

The best father is obviously the Stormfather. Especially if you take the time to bond with him.

I had the same reaction as you, GreyPilgrim! The thing is, the logic here is so sound and the initial part sounds so plausible that the cardboard tube sword hits you like a, well, cardboard tube sword upside the head!

Wow. I thought from the title of the thread that this would be kind of silly. I mean, "The Knights Absorbent"? Really? Then I opened it and began reading. Well, I thought, this is starting out like most of Tempus's theories do. A centered title, sections. Cool. I read on, thinking, As usual with Tempus, this displays impeccable logic. Cool. An insightful take on some aspect of Brandon's work. Awesome. Diagrams. Epic. I wonder where this is going? Then I got to the phrase "cardboard tube sword". Excuse me? thought I. Then I read on. And cracked up.

The theory is rather simple, Shardplate is made of stormlight, made by the Radiants who use it but only available after a certain oath. I have a few pieces of evidence that support this theory, the first and in my opinion strongest, is that you can regrow shard plate using Stormlight, you can grow an entire set of plate from one piece of armour: This quote also shows that there can be only one complete set of each set of Shardplate. This supports the idea that each Radiant made their own plate, and that it is individual supports this again, it would probably also be able to reform into different kinds of armour depending on the radiant's wishes. The second piece of evidence that supports this is from Dalinar's visions, he sees a Knight's helm just appear, or at least notices that it wasn't there and then it was, It is possible that the Knight just breathed it in converting it back to Stormlight before approaching, and then breathing it back out forming it back into a helm. With those two things established on with the theory, after a Radiant swears a certain oath, he or she is then told by their spren to breath in an exorbitant amount of stormlight, this will eventually burst out of them guided by their spren and will be formed into the plate. The plate would then remain that way permanently, the Knight would not be able to or ever want to hold that much stormlight ever again (in my imagination it is not a pleasant experience). I say above that the Knight breathed in her, helm banishing it, yes that would be possible as it is not that much Stormlight, but the whole suit is a completely different beast. In the chapter 69 quote it says it takes days to regrow even a gauntlet, that seems awfully in efficient, well of course it is, it isn't the way it was designed to happen. Shardplate on a Radiant would regenerate from the stormlight that leaks from the Radiant's body. In modern Roshar shard plate is powered by Gems like a fabrial, these gems were not there whit the Radiant's Shardplate, they were added as a substitute and are horribly inefficient. I say this as this was done to Shardblades also the gem was added so that a normal human could bond the blade. We see Kaladin fuel Shardplate from his body in the duel, but it sucked all his stormlight this happened as it was not his specific set and followed the same rules as a gem fueling the plate. This theory is a lot longer than I expected but if you read it all then thank you please reply and discuss feel free to tear it to shreds, I will be around to discuss.

Wait, you aren't a. Dragonball Z reference? Laaaaaaaaame. ( have an upvote)

There would be far fewer secret organizations, they would just be organizations. Skybreakers Children of the Light Purelakers Tinkerers Storm Wardens Black Tower Ghostbloods White Tower Not the best conversion, but its what I could get.

When did we suddenly get a lot of knowledge about Kaladin and Tarah? All we know is than Shallan holding Kaladin was the closest he'd been with a woman since Tarah. We've still NO idea who or what Tarah was to Kaladin. Hell, BS may not have killed her off and might reintroduce her. We may come to love her character, yes. But again, we have no clue. Well, I think we can all agree that it's unknown if any character is really in love with any other at this point other than Dalinar and Navani. We have clear signs of infatuation but I'm squeamish about labeling anything as love at this point in time. I can give you that, if you can give me that yes, Adolin and Shallan can be a drain on the story as well. You keep mentioning that certain characters will be a drain on the story, but no evidence to back it up. And as Radiants, I'm sure BS won't lolly gag in romance whether it's Adolin, Shallan, OR Kaladin. Heck, even in this story, the actual pages that discuss anything romantic in nature total maybe 10 pages in WoR entirely, give or take. BS doesn't spend a lot of time on it. I think he has a purpose for it in this series though, which makes it difficult to say which direction he'll actually go in. If I've learned anything, it's that you should never go all in on a ship. From my experience, you have a 50% chance of being right and a 50% chance of being laughably wrong. Learned that with JK who ruined literally every character in her novel at the end by adding ridiculous, infantile level of romantic writing. Yuck. I can respect that. Everyone always had characters they'd prefer. I agree with you about Jasnah. Adolin just doesn't do it for me. I think you can understand that. And I like the Kal/Shal exchanges enough to want to see more of that. People like different representations of romantic relationships and interactions. We aren't robots. Noted. And also let it be noted, I love sarcasm and witty banter. And someone who challenges you. I see the Shallan / Kaladin and interactions and (make that more playful, and not so much misunderstood fighting) and that's the relationship I WANT long term for myself. I realize not everyone wants the same types of relationships. But I want my life partner to be my BFF as well as love interest. I wanna joke with her. I mean, you want someone fun and someone you can learn something new about each day if you're going to tie yourselves to them. There's more fun and excitement about their exchanges than Adolin. Again, you take your preferences from your own life when you read something in a story. So, what I think we're really seeing here is gross personality differences and what we like in people we'd want for ourselves. If that makes my points more clear about why I favor Shallan/Kaladin. ------- And the one point I just can't give anyone is the sibling thing. People are drawing way too much into as a way to disprove Kaladin/Shallan actually working. Take that phrasing out and what does your argument fall back on? And I've yet to see why Kaladin automatically going to Tien in describing his own happiness means Shallan is viewed as a sister. He clearly doesn't. I mean, there's not even any debating that. He views her as an attractive woman who's attention he suddenly craves. And again, when describing experiences, you ARE going to use the most readily similar experience to the experience you just had. Tien made Kaladin smile with ease. Without trying. Shallan makes him smile with ease. Without trying. He's naturally going to go there, because, despite the bridge crew, they don't make him happy like Tien did. They haven't been able to. Not even close. Heck, without Syl, he'd have given in. The bridgeman didn't save him. Syl did. Which is why I think he uses the Tien example when describing how Shallan makes him smile. I think it's because he's SURPRISED she suddenly has this ability and can't believe someone other than Tien has that ability. That's how I read it. And honestly, it's super weird to think Kaladin would take the older brother/Heleran stand-in role, particularly when he killed the dude. That's creepy.

Or do what I do and make cheap jokes on every thread you come across. You'll be in the top ten list before most people even know who you are.

It seems like aluminum (used allomantically) is anti-Investiture. Not innate Investiture, but rather foreign Investiture. I remember reading a WoB somewhere that an aluminum savant (however that might occur) might be able to remove any or all forms of foreign Investiture from their body. This might not be very relevant, but it might shed light on what exactly aluminum's properties are. If aluminum-foil hats prevent Soothing and Rioting (external mental metals) and aluminum objects are invulnerable to pushing and pulling (external physical metals), then maybe aluminum can somehow prevent-time bubbles (external temporal metals)?

My all time favorite has got to be Drizzt Do'Urden. I love how he is a noble hero who was raised in a dark world of oppressive evil, but he manages to rise above it, and stay true to his strong moral code. Raistlin Majere. Dark, troubled wizard who had a terrible childhood. He rose up to become the most powerful wizard in the world, seemingly dark and evil in nature, but when it came down to it, he sacrifices himself to stop the world from basically ending rather than ascending to godhood. Samwise Gamgee. Simply because he is to me the ultimate personification of loyalty. Kaladin. Constantly kicked down, horrible things happen to him at every turn in his life, and yet still somehow finds the will and determination to save the bridgemen. Perrin Aybara. Mostly because I would love to be able to do what he does, talking to wolves. And for his simple, basic goodness. And though a lot of people don't like kender, Tasslehoff Burrfoot. He always made me smile.

In the last bit of warbreaker Suse does in fact use colored objects for awakening and he makes them bone white. "at least half of it had been turned white. not just the grey of normal awakening. They had been made bone white. And, becoming white, they now reacted to his incredible BioChroma, splitting back into colors. Like a circle, somehow, she thought. colorful, then white, then back to color." - Warbreaker ebook 547/679 My concern for this theory is that the connections being made are based of a change in the spiritual connection to something changing it to grey. Shardblade severed limbs and lifeless are also for all intents and purpose dead things so being grey could just be a representation of being without life. Also a lifeless does in fact have a breath.

Not with 10st heighting

Agreed. Plus it would ruin the awesome Kaladin/Adolin bromance that just began.

Mine is something I threw together from a line in a book that I found amusing.

I'm from Orem, UT. For those of you unfamiliar with Happy Valley, this means that whenever Brandon Sanderson releases a new book I only have to drive 15 minutes from my house to get down to the line for the midnight release/signing at BYU. Yes, you should be jealous about this.

That was the original plan.

Okay, this is a big post, and I'm going to warn you--many of these things are things I don't want to talk about yet, as the time is not right. So I'll answer what I can, but be warned that you might get a large number of RAFOs. You're very close here. In general, a large object going through a time bubble is not going to notice. An object is either in or out, and it depends in part on how the object views itself. People inside the train would be inside of its influence, and wouldn't notice the bubble. The spear would go from one to the other, but would never be in both. RAFO RAFO A novel use of Hemalurgy which is not outside the sphere of its powers. Of course. They'd have to fight the Mistborn Llamas, though. Last One: Ha! That's a very interesting way to look at it. The theory isn't all there, but it's thinking along the right lines.