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  1. play simon says. Make nightblood simon. Simon says destroy evil. Your brother looks pretty evil. I'm pretty sure he stole your candy.
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  2. Awaken all their toys to play with them. Awaken their blankets to put them to Sleep. Help them go to sleep.
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  3. Riot their curiosity and give them Brandon Sanderson. Now you've got them under control for weeks!
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  4. Put up a Cadnium bubble, so instead of having to babysit for like 3 hours, you just have to sit there for like 10 minutes.
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  5. Give a couple lifeless squirrels orders to "run and hide." use them to play hide and seek.
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  6. I would use my Truthstone to me Szeth babysit them for me. I think he'd be great with kids.
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  7. "Few people have seen a High Epic in their glory. Fewer still have seen the glory of an Epic who is high."
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  8. People continually describe what Kogi just said as being "politically correct" but really, making sure that people have agency is actually just being polite and accepting. Women are people. They aren't pieces of meat. That's not just "politically correct". That's being a decent human being.
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  9. What, so few people here actually like playing with children? I would use atium feruchemy to go back to their age. then I could have a fair wrestling match with them. Or, I would put metal belts on them and bring them to climb trees, acting as their safety net. Or I could riot their curiosity and explain science to them.
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  10. Half-lash the kids to the ceiling, resulting in a zero-g environment. Seriously, what kid do you know that wouldn't like that? Parents come home and wonder why there are footprints on the ceiling.
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  11. Sorry...didn't realize that phrasing was going to grate on anyone. I'm female, by the way, and would certainly not take it well if someone laid claim to me without my consent. Let me just be clear that treating Shallan that way was the FARTHEST thing from my actual intention.
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  12. I get that this is just a turn of phrase, but could we not refer to Shallan like she has no agency in this? Talking about having 'dibs' on a person like she's the last slice of cheese pizza is weird and unpleasant. :/
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  13. You know, sometimes UrbanDictionary is a powerful resource - if, for instance, you want to look up a colloquial phrase to see how it's commonly interpreted. Like 'dibs'. The first few definitions, to save you the trouble of clicking the link, are: "to claim", "to call possession", "to express priority over an object" (emphasis mine), and "to have the rights to something, to own something." So - yes, actually, it suggests that she's an object and that she's something to be possessed by someone else. Moreover, it prioritizes Kaladin and Adolin negotiating who gets a shot with Shallan over the fact that she might - and does - have a preference herself. I'm not sure why you're defending this, since the person who originally used it had no problems with my request. If it's such a small phrase that I shouldn't be bothered by it, why is it so valuable to you?
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  14. Just cause, you know, its my thing. Done one for everyone else. Can't leave out the Lord of Chaos. And a smaller version: Edit: this is actually mostly just a modification of something a graphic artist friend of mine made. I do not take credit for a design of this quality.
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  15. Or, to expand upon that, find a large room, half lash large styrofoam balls, half lash everybody and give them laser tag equipment. Boom, you have the Battle Room from Ender's Game.
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  16. Use a Half lashing to make all of their Starwars toys Weightless. Turn off all the Lights. Infuse toys with Stormlight. Boom. Your own Space Battle.
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  17. Chapter 2 Epigraph: Chapter 39 has the Epigraph talking about Adonalsium... where it came from...? It's unclear if he delved knowledge on Scadrial or sent out "feelers" into the universe Chapter 57 has the Epigraph on Realmatic theory: Chapter 71 epigraph Based on these, I would have to say that you get some basic realmatic/cosmere knowledge, but any larger Cosmere knowledge is not instant and requires some deific research, and looking outside of your own Shardworld of influence. Of course for those who took the Shards initially after the Shattering, i would say they were probably already knowledgeable about the Cosmere prior to the Shattering, or at least picking up of the Shards. For those coming to the Shard's power later like Vin/Sazed etc, it looks like work!
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  18. Put a little belt on all of them, with a metal buckle. Anytime they fight, or go someplace they aren't supposed to, just steel push or iron pull on the buckle without even having to get up.
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  19. 1) tell 'good natured' horror stories that they will love. 2) Then, when they go to bed, riot their fear. Every shadow becomes a demon and every noise a monster. 3) take all the spheres they use illuminate the house and leave. 4)Profit.
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  20. We should have an "Awesome Cosmere Babysitting" thread.
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  21. Punch someone hard in the chest enough that they fall back. Stand over them, and as they look up stunned, have an illusion of a bloody beating heart in your hand, and call out "kali ma! kali ma!" and watch them freak out. edit: oh oh! play hot lava with kids, but cast an illusion so the floor looks like ACTUAL lava!
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  22. "The lions sing and the hills take flight. The moon by day and the sun by night. Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool. Let the Lords of Chaos rule." Someone had to do it.
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  23. It's been a while since I've been theorizing! It's time to change that. This treatise--and it is a treatise; it is way too long--has a long history in my mind, and now it is finally time for me to actually put it down in writing. (The graph also took forever to figure out how to do, but I finally got it to work. Yes, there's a graph in this theory.) Introduction There is a wide variance in magic in the cosmere, but it has never been clear why some magics might be more related to one than another. Considering Words of Radiance, we know that Stormlight and Breath are similar in many ways. In this exhaustive classification scheme, we will rigorously describe how cosmere magics differ, using Realmatic reasoning, and also provide a high level view on how these magics came into being, and why they act as they do. (Look, I know I should be calling them Investitures or manifestations of Investiture, but I'm going to go with magic systems for now because it is just less clunky than "manifestations of Investiture," okay?) These ideas began, as many things with me do, with a conversation with Windrunner. When we read Words of Radiance, we had many thoughts, and we started comparing magic systems. What makes one stronger than another? The Spiritual fuel is important, but what of spren? In this scheme, I said that Allomancy and Surgebinding was probably the most "powerful" of the magics, but for different reasons. Allomancy was very restrictive, but because it was so restrictive, its effects could be much more impressive. AonDor was also very powerful in its own way, but while flexible, it required a great deal of preparation. So I supposed that maybe there's a "Power" axis and a "Preparation" axis. BioChroma would be of more middling power, but require less preparation. This seemed like a sensible way of organizing the magics together from a high level. But, I had never been satisfied with these terms, as they had no relation with any other cosmere terms. And more importantly, something seemed… missing, somehow. It turned out there were more precise axes to use: Realmatics. We throw terms around like Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual, but we don't know what they mean as much. But with Emperor's Soul, we know more, and now I'm going to relate these in classifying cosmere magics. Two axes seemed too few, so let's go with three, the typical Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual. In fact, there are good reasons to use these as attributes. In Words of Radiance, the writer of the Ars Arcanum uses it to describe Lightweaving: Of course, this by itself, is not a new idea. A long-espoused idea is that All Magics have Three Parts. But that theory didn't go far enough. Why? Magics are not equally rooted all three Realms. Time for a short digression on my philosophy on magic: every magic is essentially a Realmatic exchange. Power--Investiture--is moved or transformed from one Realm, say the Spiritual, to a different Realm, like the Physical. Not all magics have the same Realmatic exchange between Realms, but there's always some sort of interaction between all three Realms. For this to happen, a magic system has to be partially embedded in each Realm. Think of it like a chemical reaction: you have three different pots and with the right conditions, you cause a reaction between these three pots, causing various effects. This is not entirely relevant to this theory, but to me it seems to be an interesting way of thinking about magic. It's more fundamental, and to me explains the reasoning why magics need to have roots in all three Realms. It seems obvious that magics will be rooted in each Realm differently. Awakening has a strong Cognitive component that Allomancy does not. Surgebinding requires a Spiritual connection, and is totally different from Awakening and Allomancy. Three different magics, three different distributions in which Realms the magics are rooted. I think the idea of a "focus" can also be fit into this classification scheme. Originally, without Roshar, the focus of a magic system seemed pretty self-evident: Aons/symbols, metals, Commands--with Commands being the least immediately obvious, but in retrospect, Commands do all the "action" of this Realmatic interaction, if you think about it. But Surgebinding just doesn't have an obvious equivalent, and that's totally okay. Brandon has more recently said that the idea of a focus is something that peoples came up with to describe magic, which implies to me that the notion of a focus is not a core, fundamental attribute to cosmere magics. But again, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's classify magics. The Model You guys know I have a math degree, right? (Now a Master's degree in fact.) So, this part may be slightly… unnecessarily numerical. Don't worry about it; you can skip the numbers. Mathematical models, at their simplest, start with a few core principles and then use that to construct equations or numbers which hopefully illuminate things. We obviously have little to no true numerical information, so I'll be doing some estimations. But first, let's make our assumptions very clear before insanity begins. 1. Every magic is rooted in each of the three Realms (pretty widely accepted) 2. Depending on magic system, this distribution is not equal. So let's get onto classifying just how much each magic system is rooted in each Realm. It seems sensible that perhaps we rate magics on a scale of 100 points, and we'll have three values, for Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual. These values need to sum up to 100, so you could say these are the rough estimates for how much a magic is rooted in each Realm. (If you've had probability, you can just scale these to be from 0 to 1 rather than 0 to 100, but big numbers seemed nicer for this). So we might say a magic is 50 in Physical, 30 Cognitive, and 20 Spiritual, for an example. Now, that might seem like a pretty safe assumption, but what I'm effectively doing is saying that I'm normalizing every magic to have the same power level. There's 100 "power" to distribute between Realms. That's a pretty big assumption! We will see minor Shardworlds where Splinters power magics rather than Shards, and those magics will definitely not be as powerful as the Shardic magics. So, our final assumption: 3. Generally all Shardic magics have the same amount of pure "strength"; it is just distributed differently (this may be totally false, but right now we don't have tools to properly measure if one magic is purely stronger than another). With our assumptions in hand, we can begin thinking about magics. But maybe I ought to say what I mean by Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual. Physical: How much a magic is aligned with things in the Physical Realm. The Physical generally results in more restrictive abilities. Cognitive: How much a magic is aligned with Cognitive things, such as thought, preparation required in manifesting magic Spiritual: How much a magic is aligned to ideals, Identity, and other Spiritual traits. Depending on which Realmatic attribute is dominant will determine how a magic's focus is. Physical magics require a very rigid focus. Cognitive magics have more fluid foci. Spiritual magics may purely not require a focus because of a person's direct connection. We'll talk a lot more about this in a bit. Finally, let's get to business. Scadrian magics are interesting in that they are specially hardwired into a person's Spiritweb (and Hemalurgy revolves on rewiring these, essentially). It's the only cosmere magic like this, with very rigid abilities encoded into you. Many other magics can be accessed more easily, but not the Metallic Arts. You either have it or you don't, or you're a horrible person and like spiking people. I would thus classify all Scadrian magics as Physical. Whereas other magics require significant work to get going, like AonDor, Forgery, or Awakening, all the "work" of the Realmatic interaction is contained in the correct metal. Nothing else is required. Allomancy - Heavily Physical, minor Spiritual (due to its connection with Preservation), very little Cognitive Feruchemy - Physical, about equal Cognitive and Spiritual Hemalurgy - Physical, Spiritual, and Cognitive, but there's more Cognitive to Hemalurgy (since it heavily depends on knowledge of where to put the spikes), and it steals a lot of Spiritual attributes, hence its Spiritual designation. One could argue, perhaps, it is more Cognitive than Spiritual. Nalthian magics are most obviously embedded in the three Realms: color, Commands, and Breath are its Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual components, respectively. But where does the work lie? It's primarily Cognitive. The visualization and the Command is the most key element to the magic, Awakening - Cognitive, Spiritual, then Physical Selish magics are also highly Cognitive. It requires a lot of work to create just the right Aon or soulstamp. AonDor - Cognitive, Spiritual, very little Physical Forgery - Cognitive, Spiritual, more Physical I'm not including the ChayShan or Dakhor, as we know so little about them, but if we had more data I'm sure we could fit them into this scheme. At the moment, ChayShan seems more Physical, and Dakhor has a more strong Physical component too. AonDor really has the least Physical of all the Selish magics, yet a very strong Spiritual component. Finally, Roshar. This is a Spiritual magic if I've ever seen one. It requires a deep bond with your spren to make the magic work. If you don't have that bond, you need an Honorblade, which I would call a "focus" in this case. It grants that ability for you, giving you that connection to Honor necessary to suck in Stormlight. But in most usual Surgebinding, its dominant attribute--the reason for the power--is your Spiritual Identity. Who you truly are. Surgebinding - Spiritual, Physical, Cognitive (the last two depending on Surge) Of course, in this, I'm generalizing all magics under one umbrella. Certain Feruchemical abilities are in one Realm entirely, and while Windrunning doesn't involve much Cognitive, Lightweaving does. So take these as rough averages at best. Putting it all together: Allomancy - Heavily Physical, minor Spiritual,very little Cognitive Feruchemy - Physical, about equal Cognitive and Spiritual Hemalurgy - Physical, Spiritual, and Cognitive Awakening - Cognitive, Spiritual, then Physical AonDor - Cognitive, Spiritual, very little Physical Forgery - Cognitive, Spiritual, more Physical Surgebinding - Spiritual, Physical, Cognitive And heck, let's put some numbers to it, because I feel that will show a magic's attribute and its distribution more effectively than me blathering: Allomancy: 60 Physical, 30 Spiritual, 10 Cognitive Feruchemy: 50 Physical, 25 Cognitive, 25 Spiritual Hemalurgy: 50 Physical, 30 Spiritual, 20 Cognitive Awakening: 60 Cognitive, 30 Spiritual, 10 Physical AonDor: 50 Cognitive, 45 Spiritual, 5 Physical Forgery: 50 Cognitive, 40 Spiritual, 10 Physical Surgebinding: 60 Spiritual, 20 Physical, 20 Cognitive That seems to sum things up pretty nicely. The only one I'm not really sold on is Forgery, since it throws around much less power than AonDor, but yet still deals with Identity (a very Spiritual attribute) heavily. Perhaps if we consider that AonDor only seems so powerful with the help of Elantris, this power disparity doesn't seem nearly as extreme. So of course, here's a pretty graph displaying this info: Each color corresponds to a particular world: Red - Scadrian Purple - Nalthian Blue - Selish Green - Rosharan But what is a 3D graph from just one angle? That's why I made a fully interactive version for your viewing pleasure! Now that I think is pretty slick. Power levels and Cognitive Intermediaries And with that model in place, we can get back to the discussion Windy and I originally had, about relative powers of a magic. Tied up in this question also will be spren and foci. Remember, in my conception of magic, manifestations of Investiture occur because Investiture is being shifted between the Realms. This effects don't happen in a vacuum; they require a user, and almost always, they require activation of some sorts, a will for magic to occur (the only time it doesn't is when Allomancers unconsciously burn metals). But more importantly, there needs to be a catalyst for this Realmatic interaction to occur. If we think about Surgebinding and Shallan Soulcasting, Pattern acts as her intermediary in Shadesmar. Given Syl talks about magic being an "agreement with friends," it seems reasonable to say that your spren is the thing that, in the Cognitive Realm, makes this interaction work. It all comes back to the Cognitive Realm, really, because Shadesmar connects the Physical and Spiritual. It's where change happens. (Is it any wonder that Shadesmar is predominantly water? Liquids are a transitionary state of matter between solids and gases) I'll call spren a Cognitive Intermediary, or an Intermediary more simply. These are the catalysts that make magic all work. So, that immediately asks the question, do other magics have a similar Intermediary? Of course! They are focuses. I originally defined a focus as something that shapes power into a specific effect. Realmatically, that focus facilitates the Realmatic interaction. This explains why AonDor is incredibly unforgiving. Without a sentient Cognitive Intermediary acting on your behalf, you have to do all the action yourself, and persuading the "spren" of other things to do what you wish is… well, as we know from Shallan, it is nontrivial. Aons allow Investiture to be shaped very specifically, but you have to get it precise, or else the whole thing is for nothing. Awakening's Commands are also that Intermediary, and similarly, you have to be pretty darn specific in your Command (and your Cognitive visualization, which is really what you want; the words just help to visualize the Command). You are willing that Breath to take this very specific shape and form, for the "spren" of the object to do as you wish. You have to be a pretty persuasive. What of the Metallic Arts? In the case of Allomancy, the consuming of the metal unlocks the Investiture directly from Preservation. I interpret this as, the powers are very specifically ingrained into you, and when the metal--the Intermediary--is used, Investiture is forced down the very specific paths that are ingrained into you. It's like a very narrow conduit that suddenly opens with the metal present. Other magics that aren't as firm in abilities either need a very precise Cognitive focus to shape the power how you want it, or it requires a deep Spiritual connection, with something doing the action for you. Those are the three ways you get magic. And of course, the way the Investiture is accessed also needs to be in line with the Shard's intent, but this goes a step further in identifying what components a magic will require need, Realmatically. (Tangent: Nightblood is a spren, really. He's his own Cognitive Intermediary in Shadesmar, like a spren. I imagine in Shadesmar, he's violently using the power of his Breath and the Breaths he consumes to actively fulfill his specific intent. Other spren get vaguer intents and have a bit more freedom in what they do.) So Allomancy is hardwired in, and it is powerful primarily because its power is very focused in specific ways. In AonDor and Awakening, you construct your Cognitive Intermediary yourself. Differences between these two magics come from the way you get the magic in the first place (differences in Shard intent), but also, AonDor has a lot more Spiritual power to throw around. Awakening is interesting in that it is the only magic (well, other than Hemalurgy) where Innate Investiture--Breath in this case--is the fuel, and in the scale of Shards, Innate Investiture is really small. Powerful magics require a connection with something more Spiritual. In Allomancy and Feruchemy, the encoding grants that connection to the Shards, and your Identity and who you are is what triggers the Shaod, allowing a direct connection with the Dor. Thus, AonDor has a lot more to work with. So power, ultimately, is vested in the Spiritual. The stronger a magic's spiritual aspect, the more power it gets to throw around. As such, Elantrians, Knights Radiant, and Allomancers have a great deal of pure "strength". However, Elantrians and Radiants are more closely related in this spiritual way. Radiants and Allomancers are more related in ease of use, because things are less Cognitive, but that comes with limitations: the magics that are fast to use are limited and not flexible. The more a magic is Cognitive, though, the more flexibility it has. Awakening and AonDor have almost innumerable abilities. Practically unlimited! Physicality means that things are the least flexible. But rigidness means you get dramatic effect at minimal costs. I predict that there will be very few Physical magics in the cosmere, as building a physical magic with these specific Spiritweb encodings seems like a very deliberate act on a Shard's part, and I'm not sure a Shard would make such an intense effort. Which brings us up to a more mythological analysis on maybe, just maybe, why these magics are vested in each Realm the way they are. A historical perspective (Source, and emphasis is mine, of course) This is an incredibly important quote. Focuses are not a function of the Shards themselves, but also the Shardworld. This could be taken to mean many things about a Shardworld, but what if this means foci occur because Shards and the actual events that happen on that planet? So let's take a historical look at magics. Allomancy, Feruchemy, and Hemalurgy have much more active Shardic connections, and their Spiritweb encodings represent a specific design. It's as if the magics were created with that purpose (If you buy that the Metallic Arts are designed, this can explain how Harmony can alter the way Snapping works and Preservation could switch out metals--the magic itself is Physical. Constructed. Designed.) That does make sense given Scadrial's origin. Things on this planet were born of an agreement between two Shards. They had to carefully craft what they built. Preservation let people access his power more, forging Allomancy in the process. The metal, being an artifact of agreement, became its focus. Ruin countered Preservation by using the metals for his purpose instead. He of course wouldn't let people access his own power. Their agreement was hardly a pleasant one. They were enemies and every action they did had to subtly give them an advantage over the other. As such they could have agreed upon a focus which let them be very careful in how their Investitures were used; hence the reason abilities are so rigid here. (Another tangent: It is important to note that they did not Invest the metal on Scadrial. Rather, they made a more interesting construct: Investing people in very particular, specific ways, and allowing the metal to be the key to unlocking the Investiture. So a Scadrian could burn Rosharan tin and find it chemically identical, unlocking the power exactly the same as elsewhere.) That was how Scadrial's conflict manifested in its magic. On Roshar, things emerged quite a bit differently. Honor and Cultivation, romantically involved, went to the Rosharan system. It is possible they Invested some of their power onto Ashyn or Braize--we don't know yet. But either way, Honor and Cultivation made it to Roshar first. Then Odium came and caused some issues. (Understatement of the millennium) Odium would not have agreed, as Ruin did, to an easy accord. Odium didn't even want to construct--he wanted to eliminate his opponents. Honor and Cultivation disagreed rather strenuously. Honor, at the very least (it is not clear how Cultivation fits in), began opposing Odium with everything he has. Honor threw around a ton of his power in opposing him--perhaps creating the storms in what seemed at the time to be an effort to blow Odium's forces off the whole planet. Odium threw a lot of his power around too. As such, Rosharan magics have a high ceiling of power because the Shards there threw a lot around. Conflict is Roshar. Or, rather, "Man's life on Roshar is conflict," says The Arguments (Way of Kings, Chapter 24). Spren, appearing through… well, the origin of spren is not clear, but possibly Honor and Cultivation wanted them prior to Odium's arrival. Either way, spren began imitating the Heralds' abilities and granting them to humans. The Heralds bound these Surgebinders to them, and perhaps due to the Heralds' connection to the Almighty, Honor Invested his power into these Surgebinders, so if they followed Ideals, they would become ludicrously strong. They became the Knights Radiant. There's another mystery with Roshar; why did Hoid say that its Shards are very strict? Well, in this epic conflict, Honor and Odium were battling with powers that were hard to comprehend for us. But Shards have limitations. Whether there were efficiency restrictions in this battle (Honor would not have wanted to use his power in such a way to be much weaker than Odium), Honor made it so you got two Surges, not all ten, for whatever reason. This is still a bit mysterious to me why this would be, but the strictness of the Shards came from high level restrictions and rules to how this war happened, maybe through the Oathpact. On Nalthis, Endowment Invested people and began Returning. Magic arose naturally (though I'm sure we could debate this a long time). Endowment allowed humans to do with the power what they will, not restricting the power. They could do basically anything with the power, if they knew the right Commands. Is it any surprise that the Scholars discovered essentially how to make a Shardblade (which Nightblood essentially is)? BioChroma is incredibly versatile. On Sel, the current day magics are really different manifestations of the same magic (this was proposed in Kerry's Selish theory, and I am absolutely certain Brandon said that's essentially what's happening, but I can't remember where that confirmation was posted. If someone finds it, I'll update this) It seems entirely rational that prior to Devotion and Dominion's Splintering, there was in fact a single magic system on Sel. Devotion and Dominion worked together, I think. Complementary. But whatever magic looked like on Sel, the Splintering created this unformed mass of power that couldn't be released effectively. The Dor formed. And because the Selish magic wasn't as restrictive, when the Shards were Splintered, The question you might ask is, why would Selish magics break whereas Honor's did not? Two reasons: first, Honor's Splintering power had places and people to Invest in, so his power didn't cause this cataclysmic Dor. Second, Honor was probably much more precise in how people could access his power than Devotion and Dominion. If you agree with how I've sorted magic systems as above, it seems as though Devotion and Dominion took a more hands off approach to how their magic initially was. There's not evidence of grand conflict between the two initially, so that could make sense. When Devotion and Dominion Splintered, that lack of "definition" meant that the method that mortals usually accessed the power also was disrupted, and so you needed a different sort of connection (and Identity) to the power to use magic. Comparing magics and replicating effects Let's talk about Nightblood more. Come on, you know you want to. It seems intuitive that Stormlight and Breath are similar. Both are gaseous metaphors. You Invest the two similarly. However, Breath is of life. It is the Innate Investiture on that world. Stormlight is not the power of life: it is directly the power of chaos, of the storm raging inside you. That is similar across all Radiant orders. This is to say, I'm suggesting that Spiritual power actually sees itself differently, depending on how the Shard's power was distributed (and the Shard itself, surely). Endowment made Breath Innate. Breath was of life. When you have more Breath, your life sense is increased, and at the fifth heightening, you're immune to disease and are freaking immortal. (Makes sense that you could use Breath to influence the mind--it is a Cognitive magic, and it is affecting life, right in line with Breath.) Then there are other abilities granted with that much Spiritual power, too, and other abilities related to tones and color (other Nalthian attributes). It perfects, as Spiritual power does. Stormlight is the power of storms and chaos. It perfects, but does so entirely differently. And actually, Stormlight is probably a much more potent source of energy than Breath. Breath being Innate means it is a weaker investiture than these gigantic storms and the power they radiate. Also, it seems as though Stormlight is more Physical than Breath is. Stormlight Invested things glow; Breath does not. But you can hold a lot more Breath than Stormlight at a time. Breath also requires color to move (an extra physical impetus for that spiritual transfer to a new physical host), whereas Stormlight requires a Spiritual link to Honor to move it in the first place. The idea that Stormlight is more Physical than Breath may explain why Stormlight dissipates while Breath does not. It's more Physical, so that power diffuses into the Physical Realm, while Breath is located more elsewhere. This idea--that these fuels are subtly different in intent--could mean a lot to Vasher and Nightblood. Shardblades are ludicrously destructive, and cause spiritual damage.(cite) Nightblood is, in many ways, a Shardblade. Would not the type of fuel matter for Nightblood? As I said, Breath is the power of life, and that's very different from what Nightblood's intent is. Stormlight though. That seems like the perfect fuel. Chaos. Destruction. So when it comes to some magics, if you want to get the most bang for your buck, you want the right Spiritual fuel for the job. I'm not sure if this makes Nightblood more or less destructive. Maybe he wouldn't be so vicious at consuming Stormlight as he was with Breath because the storms are a better fuel for him. Stormlight might make Vasher quite a bit different. Remember, any Investiture, no matter how small, will change you over time(cite), and Vasher has lived a long time. Make no mistake, Vasher is there because he can live off Stormlight(cite) easier than acquiring a new Breath frequently… but I'm thinking that because he's consuming the power of storms and chaos, he would be quite a bit different. It seems to me that if you wanted the right magic for a given task, you would want to consider the effect you want to have, and pick the Investiture colored by a Shard's intent that would be most in line with what you wanted to accomplish. Then, depending on what Investiture you selected, you'd have to work to shape the power in exactly the form you wanted. Illusion magics are replicated frequently. Yolen has it. Sel has it with AonDor, but that variant is different as there's no Spiritual requirement; it is all Cognitive. It is possible that Yolish magic has a key Spiritual component, if Lightweaving is similar. If Preservation and Ruin actually altered themselves to allow metal to be the key to their power, as I suggest, it makes sense that iron and steel influence metals. That might actually be the hardest basic Allomantic effect to replicate on another world because of those Shards relationship with metal. The other effects of Allomancy could definitely be replicated, especially the mental metals. Conclusion (the tl;dr version) The Realmatic description of magics help define magic systems much more precisely. How much a magic is rooted in each Realm determines a number of effects of a given magic. It can determine how you access it, and what sort of "focus" it requires. Physical magics cost the least to do, Cognitive magics are the most flexible, and Spiritual magics throw the most "power" or Investiture around. I realize this was far too long, but I hope I minimized the amount of crazy in the theory and made it as elegant to describe as possible. The numbers weren't important (since they are just guesses), really, but the moment I realized there were three axes, I had to show an awesome graph. At the very least, I hope I gave you a new way of thinking about cosmere magics, with the Realmatic interactions, Cognitive Intermediaries, and the nuts and bolts of how these Realmatic interactions happen.
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  24. Our heroes reach the center of the Plains and confront the Voidbringers today on Splintercast. Tensions ramp. The battle begins. And Kaladin makes a realization that will change everything.
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  25. Actually, we didn't digress until king of nowhere's post, the way I see it - I made a request, was politely answered, assumed the matter was done with and we could move on. Then I got patronizingly lectured, to which I objected. Condescension for condescension; or does a two-paragraph explanation of what a metaphor is not strike you as condescending? (I also have a problem on principle with anyone who uses 'political correctness' as a derogatory term, since it's basically a euphemism for 'being respectful to others', but I know I'm not going to win that fight here.) Edit: hang on, making people feel more comfortable in a discussion is 'pointless'?
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  26. "But Sir, they have a Baby Poodle AND a Dachshund!" "What!? Impossible! Did they steal the neighbor's dogs AGAIN!? I told them it was illegal!" "It doesn't matter! The squirrels are getting overwhelmed!" "Fine. Send in the Baby Panda and the Honey Badger." "But I thought..." "Never mind. They broke the rules, then so can I"
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  27. The only one here who didn't assume I understood what the phrase meant was you. I'm a bit surprised that, with Traceria's mature, polite, and respectful response right above yours, you weren't able to meet the same standards of courtesy as she. Perhaps reread it and take guidance therefrom?
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  28. Rengar watched the highstorm outside from the small inn, rain pounding incessantly on the roof, which was leaking water at an alarming rate. Rengar reclined in his chair, looking out the window. The rain had put out the fires of the riots, making this highstorm seem like… any other highstorm. The stealing, kidnapping, and murdering had stopped… for the time being. Rengar nodded sagely. Of course. The only way to stop Chaos… is more Chaos. Rengar smiled. They think I am crazy. But only now are they seeing the truth. The only way to stop this riot is something bigger… Something even more powerful than the riots themselves. But what could be more Chaotic than a riot? I’m no Voidbringer; I cannot just call a storm upon us forever to cease these riots. There must be something else… Rengar frowned, taking a swig of his ale. Nobody is safe. “Hey, Bould!” Rengar called, looking at the innkeeper. “Another brew, please!” Two deaths, soon to be many more. The large Horneater grinned, and took Rengar’s mug. “I am curiosity. How is it that you, a lowlander, can drink almost as much as a Horneater?” How can we escape from these constant killings? Rengar shrugged. “They say I’m crazy. Insane, actually. If that’s so, I guess that any amount of alcohol has little effect on me anyway.” We came into this riot as three quarreling factions. The Horneater nodded, not entirely understanding that answer. Rengar heard him mumble “airsick lowlanders” before refilling the mug. In truth, the Horneater was one of his recent converts to Chaosism. Rengar had never expected to convert anyone in these riots, let alone a Horneater, but apparently the constant chaos had ended up making an impression on many people. Two hundred. Two hundred followers of Chaosism. And that’s only in the first three days. Imagine what will happen by the time these riots are over… We will leave as one. One that has reigned supreme. Bould came back with a refilled mug, and stood across the table from him. “Chaotic day, Rengar?” Bould asked. But at what cost? Rengar smiled, looking out the window. “Very Chaotic.” The death of many is not fitting to contribute to the success of a few. “Then this is good. Tomorrow, there will be almost as much Chaos. But there will be much more death.” The Seventeenth Shard is the force of Chaos here. “Unfortunately. I used to believe that death was of Chaos, that the two go hand-in-hand. But that isn’t true. One can use Chaos to save. To protect.” We will have to deal with them eventually. “And you will do this?” But what I propose is a better plan. “I will do what I must. While I will stay loyal to my own faction, I will not hesitate to protect those of the other factions. Until I come up with a better plan, I would think it best that we form a truce with the other factions. I realize that an alliance would not be the way of Chaos, but we have little choice. By preventing a bit of Chaos now, we can spur on Chaos later.” For everyone. Bould nodded, and walked towards the main foyer. “This idea. He is not of Chaos. But I think you are right. May Chaos guide you, Founder.” I realize that the factions cannot trust each other. “Chaos guide you, Bould,” Rengar replied, turning his attention to the highstorm outside. The storm was waning. The rain lightened up from the torrential downpour of a few minutes ago, and the howling winds were far weaker than before. And so the Chaos ends… and a more bloody Chaos begins again. Rengar stood up, walking towards the window. Suddenly, a stone brick smashed through the window, shattering it and nearly hitting Rengar. Yep, it’s begun. I mean, even the members of our own factions prove suspect. Rengar ducked and rolled to the closest table, picking up a chair and shoving it out of the way. The attacker jumped inside the room, locking eyes with Rengar. Rengar smiled mischievously and pulled out a pair of daggers. I know I must protect others, but… Rengar hesitated. How could he possibly help to end these riots by instigating them? But, to survive these riots, alliances will need to be formed. In Rengar’s moment of hesitation, the assassin, a cape flapping behind him, charged towards him, pulling out a dagger. Rengar tumbled below the table as the assassin swiped his dagger out at him, barely missing. Rengar quickly stood up and pushed the table at the assassin, in an attempt to catch him off balance. The assassin leapt on top of the moving table, stopping its momentum. Rengar backed away, running to the main foyer. There has been talk of something... someone... “Bould!” Rengar called frantically, barreling into the room. The Horneater must’ve already understood what was going on, as he already held a large pan as a makeshift shield and a large kitchen knife. Who can help to bind us together. “Usually, it is not for me to fight,” Bould stated. “But I am of Chaos. I fight when needed.” With that, he roared, charging at the assailant, who had just ran into the room. Bould slammed the pan into the assassin’s head, and followed up by stabbing him in the neck. Not a Bondsmith, for he is no Surgebinder, I assure you. “No!” gasped the assassin, collapsing to the ground in pain. “No! This cannot be! I was to be the savior! I was to be the one who… stopped… the…” The man, laying in a pool of his own blood, was silenced. Rather, I am talking about... the Broken Spanreed. Rengar and Bould stared grimly at the sight. Who says that couldn’t have been me? You kill a man, you’re called a murderer. You kill a murderer, you’re called a savior. Death and death. Does it really matter? Rengar looked down, the man’s blood trickling to his boots. No. I can’t let this happen again. I will not stop these riots through the death of otherss, no matter Chaos’s will. Rengar glanced at Bould, who was staring at the bloodied knife in terror, mumbling to himself. But there are other ways… His words seem to make no sense, to have no reason. But look closely, for the fate of the three factions will rest upon your shoulders, my friend. Alliances, threats, and meddling Seventeenth Sharders. This game is full of surprises.
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  29. Darn you people! I just recovered my quota of upvotes!
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  30. "All right children, now repeat after me. "My life to yours, my breath become yours.""
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  31. As was Shallan who couldn't get hers to become fire
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  32. Lol I am thinking more along the lines of the kids game "operation" but hemalurgy style
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  33. See! We are Awesome! We come up with these things almost instantly! Now... Where did I put my Hemalurgy For Dummies kit? They'd love that! But even so, the whole Lashing to the beds sounds as though it would work just fine... Add a Rithmatics "Silence" chalking....
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  34. Realize you have to go on an errand and leave Nightblood to watch the kids. What could go wrong?
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  35. What is love? Baby don't spike me, don't spike me, no more.
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  36. *elsecalls in* Obviously I need to go find my pirate-ninja rubber duck avatar.
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  37. Using a shardblade as a can opener.
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  38. Alright, Joe, you want to play this? Swimmingly lashed out with an iceblade, score a spray of metal flakes from the steel floor of the Newcago court - they flashed blue in the air as he caught them in each hand, holding the handful of dust up to the light. He stored a burst of speed in them, slowing for a moment, then sprinkled them into his mouth and burned them. ColdSteel. While other metals gave a sensation of warmth in the chest as they were burned, this reached tendrils of ice into his throat as he compounded the frozen speed, filling it back into the floor of the court itself, smashing dust into the air to be inhaled and compounded, faster and faster. Swimmingly stopped a few minutes later from his perspective - barely a microsecond to anyone else. The compounded speed pulsed through the floor of the steely court, sustaining him in that single moment of infinite time. Speed compounded from coldsteel wasn't like anything else - it crystallized the moments, like a Plank-scale clock that ticked at a steady purr in his head. Every frame of the universe was distinct, coated in an icy rime that expanded from the concentrated Investiture. He dived forwards in a smooth roll, keeping a hand anchored to the glistening floor, slipping through moments like a puppet through it's show. Down, slipping under Joe - and he reached for the other resevoir. Allomantic coldsteel. A ripple of ice swirled out as several billion joules of Investiture were rerouted in a single blast of absolute zero, twinned to the metal as it sought to launch the unfortunate through the steel roof, his armour chilling and cracking around him.
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  39. Hi, new member and first time poster. I think that the order that went into hiding were the Skybreakers, for the reasons mentioned above, and also from what Jasnah mentions in the Epilogue of WoR. When she comes back from Shadesmar, she tells Wit, that what she learnt might all be false. The words of the highspren could be inaccurate. If the highspren were bonded to Radiants that didnot die, it would make sense that they would be the spren with the most knowledge of the previous Desolations.
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  40. I'm no deserter. If anything, I'm a... desserter. YEAAAAAAAH!
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  41. Yes, do that. And as for your spice rack, well, disorder is my thing. Chaos. Unlimited chaos. UNNNNNNLIIIIIMMMMITTTTTEDDDD... POOOOOWWWWERRRRR Oh, no, there are multiple ships. You could say that we're a fleet now! Hah! See what I did there?
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  42. I think age and maturity are a big differentiating factors here too. And I think in that case, Dalinar has two big advantages over Kaladin. The first is impetuousness. Impetuousness is part of what makes Kaladin a great warrior and hero. He decided to risk everything to save Dalinar from Sadeas' betrayal. He jumped into Adolin's duel without really thinking about it. Those were great moments for him. However, that impetuousness also caused him to demand to duel Amaram. Dalinar also had his "impetuous" phase-- he was the Blackthorn and a great fighter. He's older now and his youthful passions and ideals have settled down and solidified. I am sure Kaladin will get there as well, but he's just not yet. And I think that Dalinar has matured in a very important way that Kaladin hasn't yet. Kaladin hasn't learned how to properly take responsibility yet. It seems like he needs to either blame outside circumstances ("I must be cursed" and "They threw me in jail and it wasn't my fault") or take 100% of the blame and beat himself up over it ("It's my fault Tien died"). Neither leads to positive change. Dalinar is (better) able to take blame where blame is due and use it to make positive changes instead of letting it paralyze him with guilt. He felt responsible for Gavilar's death, so he changed his actions, started following the Codes, and stopped being a drunkard. And when he realized just how adept Szeth was and that there was no way he would have been able to help his brother anyway, he let his guilt go. Kaladin holds onto the deaths of those people close to him even when there was nothing he could have done. I love Kaladin, and I am really looking forward to him learning these lessons in real time. As someone said above, we haven't seem Dalinar's hero journey. I think Dalinar is currently a better leader than Kaladin, though I think Kaladin will get there as he matures. I mean, he's what? 20? It would be unrealistic if he were as strong a leader as Dalinar. You could make the case that Kaladin is a better hero, depending on your definition of hero. One thing that I think is very heroic about Kaladin that the other characters may not have is the ability to push on in the absence of hope. We see that in tWoK a lot, and that will come into play as the situation on Roshar gets more dire. Perhaps when other characters can't, he will be able to ask the question, "Is there any way, any sliver of hope, that this will turn out okay?" And when the answer is "No," he'll breathe in some Stormlight and carry on anyway because it's the right thing to do.
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  43. It's reasonably clear that it refers to the Knights Radiant: It's still unclear enough that all I can say is "damnit, Honor, being cryptic for no reason is stupid". The entire world is on the line, and Honor didn't see fit to make his instructions and explanations as simple as possible - his random reference to Cultivation in TWoK is maddening in this respect. Cultivation is important, you can spend a minute explaining who she is Honor! (Slightly tongue in cheek: This is probably why he managed to get himself killed: poor communication skills, no sense of prioritization, and in general bad decision making skills.)
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  44. One thing that I have thought of after reading this thread, that I have not seen mentioned before in various threads is that his hubris, or at least faith in his own brilliance, seems to increase along with his intelligence. He was able to predict the resistance to the suicide law, but had faith and confidence enough in his own abilities that it would not be a problem. His advisors were able to slap that idea down. Imagine for a moment what happens when a man is capable of genius that can literally change the world, but has a fair number of people that help prune his crazier and more insane ideas. Then imagine what that man can create when everyone bows to his whim and gives him an almost slavish devotion, with no one questioning anything he writes or says, due to the perceived genius of it. Imagine, in other words, Mr T on his 'perfect intellect' day, or George Lucas when he created the prequel trilogy. They are the same person.
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  45. Soulstamp them into nice, little behaved children that always listen and go to bed on time. Done and done. It'll wear off when they're asleep and they'll be back to being little demons for their parents the next day.
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  46. Argument aside. Since I'm more familiar with behavioral health/substance abuse, I started thinking what addiction and physical dependence could do to a surgebinder. Much like an Allomantic savant, having enough stormlight to sustain constant use, I could see some physiological changes. The heart swells, becoming much larger, and more than a normal user, has more volume moved with every beat. The blood vessels dilate to much larger to compensate for the higher stroke volume. The healing factor increases (Think Deadpool.). All five senses become intense, but do to the healing factor, is not as painful as Tin Savantism. Meaning, no need for the eye covers, and better tolerance to temperature. Tactile tasks become dangerous, meaning broken bottles, and less graceful moves, at least until the mental speed effects increase to make the user graceful enough to compensate. Being cut off leads to real physical and psychological withdrawal. Depression, numbness, poor heart function. Even though the healing factor would fix the physical damage, being suddenly cut off might not allow the body and mind to adjust back to remembering how to function normal. The extreme exhaustion would lead to passing out, and possibly coma. Physical therapy, psychiatric treatment and counseling would be required to rehabilitate the stormlight addict. This is all speculation using my experience with stimulant, and opiate addicts, plus what we saw with Spooks use, and what happens when he was cut off. Considering the changes the body would likely make, even with the healing, I bet the mental shock that would come from being cut off could lead to no will to live. This causing the body to shut down, and likely death from the psychological stress. Thoughts? Trevor, have you had many calls to behavioral health crisis emergencies?
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  47. I could go with this, especially since Syl always looked like Tinkerbell in my mind. Syl even tries to get Kaladin to think happy thoughts in order to fly.
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