Shardcast: Unity


Ladies and gentlemen my name is Eric and we're here to ask and answer one simple question: WTF is Unity?  What is Dalinar? Honor's Perpendicularity and why it has to move, and also, for good measure, Odium's Perpendicularity. Spren genocide, strange warmths, all manner of weirdness is discussed here. Obviously, Oathbringer spoilers, and some Mistborn Era 1 spoilers too.

This week we have Kerry (KChan) back from the dead, Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), David (Windrunner), and Grace (thegatorgirl). Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected] And, as always, subscribe to Shardcast on our RSS feed: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:102123174/sounds.rss

 

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My theory of how the highstorms have altered Roshar scream against the idea that Honor's perpendicularity is outside of the highstorm. We've never heard of spheres being filled in any other way. I had assumed the cognitive realm had the weirdness of the perp because it's the cognitive, and it doesn't actually totally hit the exact same location in both realms. 

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The Stormfather works as a doorway for stormlight to enter the physical realm that's why the Stormfather needed to always need to have a part of him in the highstorm.

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The Horneaters do kill some of the people who try to enter the perpendicularity, they kill any forgiener who tries to "bathe" in their pools.

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What if Unity was the shard's name all along? Maybe "Honor" is Tanavast's Passion.

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Hello again guys! As always great podcast! I'm glad you guys were thinking some of the things I thought while reading Oathbringer! And neat to hear new thoughts as well. Dalinar is storming awesome and the part where he restores Honor's perpendicularity gives me chills Everytime! A couple thoughts: Honor clearly wasn't in his right frame of mind before he dies. I first thought "Unite them" meant Dalinar or whomever the Bondsmith was to be was supposed to unite all people's of Roshar and defeat Odium. That seems the obvious interpretation. What if perhaps he wanted the shards Honor, Cultivation, and Odium to be combined? This maybe could/would temper Odium as the shard wouldn't be it's own.  Maybe he thought that as the only way to stop Odium from shattering the rest of the shards on Roshar and eventually the other shards in the greater cosmere.  Dalinar would be the obvious candidate right now that could unite the 3 shards; Sazed did it with Preservation and Ruin. It's not entirely implausible. Also, Dalinar's interpretation of Honor is interesting I think as at some point in his life he has always been trying to unify something or someone. I.e. Alethkar for Gavilar, than the Vengeance Pact, his family, although that was more him trying to become a better family man, unifying himself? My point is with Dalinar being a Bondsmith and his past, perhaps he views Unity as Honor. Is the Honor in Unity and vice versa? I can definitely see Dalinar taking Honor's shard but not until if/when Navani passes or she somehow is able to join him. Which I have absolutely no idea how that would happen unless Cultivation somehow get splintered and Navani somehow gets the shard back and joins Dalinar. This seems very unlikely, but the romantic in me would love that. Also, super glad it was Dalinar and not Gavilar who became a Bondsmith. For all his faults, I can't imagine Dalinar ever condoning bringing about the apocalypse to unite people. That's just straight up stupid! Dalinar is more compelling of a character to me as well. I could be biased. ;) Excellent podcast again guys, you are the only one I consistently listen too. #DadShard!

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On 6/28/2018 at 6:58 PM, Argent said:

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Of course! Dalinar is the Shard of gaming engines! also, #DadShard

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I am really liking the idea of Unity being one of Honor's Purposes, and Dalinar having to internalize all of them to Ascend, perhaps so he can form the necessary Connection. I am also wondering whether it is one of the ten names of the Almighty, with the names matching those Purposes. 

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@ArgentI wonder if the ten names of the Almighty and Honor's purposes are related to the ideals of the ten orders of Knights Radiant. I would imagine maybe Tanavast would've planned ahead his demise, so perhaps he had clues for this hidden or not in the number 10, which seems to be everywhere on Roshar. Important things seem to be associated with 10, much like 16 on Scadrial? 

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For Unity, I think there are two things happening. Dalinar's statement of "I am Unity" is him desribing himself as a force of unity, not as a shard or splinter. I don't think Dalinar is aware enough of shards to make the statement anything else. 

But Odium's statement about Dalinar Ascending means something else was going on. I like the idea of Dalinar ascending to a splinter of Honor, or partly ascending to the position of most connected to all of Honor, but not enough to claim the position of Vessel.

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1 hour ago, whattheHoid said:

@ArgentI wonder if the ten names of the Almighty and Honor's purposes are related to the ideals of the ten orders of Knights Radiant. I would imagine maybe Tanavast would've planned ahead his demise, so perhaps he had clues for this hidden or not in the number 10, which seems to be everywhere on Roshar. Important things seem to be associated with 10, much like 16 on Scadrial? 

Something like this would feel too Mistborn-y, I think. There might be a relationship there, but I think it's more roundabout than that. Since the Radiant Orders were set up after the Heralds, the attributes each Order was expected to exemplify (originally by the associated spren, and later - by people) would match with the Heralds' Divine Attributes. If the Heralds' plea for help to Honor and Cultivation was instrumental in the setting up of Surgebinding as an Invested Art, then it could make sense that the attributes intrinsic to this Art would be ones that fall in line with who the Heralds were. 

So, less of a secret message, and more of just how things are.

19 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said:

For Unity, I think there are two things happening. Dalinar's statement of "I am Unity" is him desribing himself as a force of unity, not as a shard or splinter. I don't think Dalinar is aware enough of shards to make the statement anything else. 

Yeah but that's an easy explanation, and we don't do those 'round these parts :D

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What if Honor's Perpendicularity follows the most honorable person or the person making the most honorable of choices? Dalinar choosing to reject Odium and shoulder his own past decisions brought the Perpendicularity to him, and because he is the Bondsmith of the Stormfather he was able to access it in ways others couldn't.

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Unity is a version of Honor. Tanavast is dead but his power and what was left of his Cognitive self merged with the Storm Father. Dalinar bonded with the Storm Father. After his connections and intent fully aligned with the intent of Honor he was able to ascend in a similar way to that of the Lord Ruler ascending at the Well of Ascension. The power is still not fully there but It allows Dalinar to use some of the Investiture of Honor.

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