Shardcast: Savantism, Resonances, and Compounding


Today on Shardcast, we are talking about various "hacks" and other weirdness in cosmere magics: Savantism, Resonances, and Compounding. Here we will talk about what those are, talk about the weirdness with WoBs about Wax, theories on Resonances, and explain Compounding, because that always seems to go wrong.

We also have a new segment: Who's That Cosmere Character! If you have a character along with five clues for them, send it to [email protected] We will eventually get them on the show! But, you know, maybe make them harder than the ones we used here, because it didn't go super flawlessly for Ben here.

We have Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), and Ben (Overlord Jebus) who is in America this time! See you next week for some discussion on the VR experience, Patji, and Emerald City Comic Con.

Table of contents: News - Update on the Secret Project (00:1:28), Main Topic (00:04:50), Who's That Cosmere Character (01:00:00)

 

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Brandons recent comments on Wax's steal bubble being part of his twinborn powers have confused me.  Era 2 Spoilers:

 

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Wax encounters other coinshots with a steal bubble. I think he takes note of one in Alloy at some point but the time that really stands out to me is in Bands:

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Wax flipped Ranette’s ball upward and let go of the cord, still falling backward. The confused Allomancer caught the device by the cord as it passed.
Wax shot him in the chest.
Shouldn’t drop your Allomantic shield, Wax thought, twisting in the air as he fell. Even to catch a neat toy.

And statically speaking its unlikely this other Coinshot is the same kind of Twinborn. I always assumed the steal bubble was a sign that Wax was on his way to becoming a Servant, like he is a low level Servant. 

 

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I would argue that the Radiant Resonances are a natural outgrowth if the philsosphical interpretations of surges, but I would also argue that the orders are a natural outgrowth of the philosophical interpretation of surges so it's hard to say what causes them. 

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What is the effect that Shallan and Dalinar see when they get together? When they make the map using Shallan's Lightweaving and using Dalinar/the Stormfathers knowledge. Would that be considered a resonance or compounding? And what are your thoughts on this effect? Have we seen any other examples of this between any other characters/orders and what would these affects look like with other orders?

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I think that the KR Orders that get a spiritual version of their surges are only the Bondsmiths and the Truthwatchers. Idk why, I’ve always thought that because they’re the only orders at the center of the Double Eye of the Almighty, they have a deeper connection to the Spiritual Realm.

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Landis963

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3 hours ago, Talanelat'Elin Stonesinew said:

I think that the KR Orders that get a spiritual version of their surges are only the Bondsmiths and the Truthwatchers. Idk why, I’ve always thought that because they’re the only orders at the center of the Double Eye of the Almighty, they have a deeper connection to the Spiritual Realm.

Keep in mind that things like the Allomancy chart and the Double Eye are in-world creations, from sources that are, in some ways, less reliable than Khriss.  (On the flip side, they may be more reliable than Khriss' account in other ways, if only because they have different assumptions than Khriss which have not been majorly contradicted for as long as those resources have been around)

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Belzedar

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I assumed Lift's language power was a result of her Cultivation-related weirdness. Maybe being partially in the cognitive realm gives her some kind of passive telepathy, or extra Connection. Lift's a lot like Dalinar right now: it's hard to say what's normal for her order, and what's just her.

Also, can we start referring to the consequences of savantism as "savansequences?"

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I disagree that Radiant Resonances have nothing to do with the surges. Kaladin has some form of spiritual gravitation and spiritual adhesion. His resonance is that he pulls people towards himself and binds them together. Isn't that spiritual gravitation and adhesion? 

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@thejopen27 I've always been a bit skeptical about this line of thought. Spiritual gravitation and spiritual adhesion does feel right, especially with what we've seen Dalinar do, but Dalinar is a very special case. For me, the implication then becomes do all orders get spiritual versions of all their surges? Do they get cognitive versions as well? How does mnemonic memory relate to spiritual illumination or transformation? 

Squires and spiritual gravitation/adhesion is a fine theory, but I'm going to wait until we know the other orders resonances as well before I fully support/decry it.

@Belzedar "Savansequences" is amazing, I'm definitely going to use that from now on.

 

On 3/9/2018 at 11:22 PM, ignorantForager said:

What is the effect that Shallan and Dalinar see when they get together? When they make the map using Shallan's Lightweaving and using Dalinar/the Stormfathers knowledge. Would that be considered a resonance or compounding? 

I really have no idea when it comes to this ability. It seems to be something the Bondsmiths can just.... do. They can manipulate Connection in a way that allows them to use another Radiants power through them and kind of... super charge it? Maybe a Resonance between the two people? Maybe?

On 3/10/2018 at 9:12 AM, Talanelat'Elin Stonesinew said:

I think that the KR Orders that get a spiritual version of their surges are only the Bondsmiths and the Truthwatchers. Idk why, I’ve always thought that because they’re the only orders at the center of the Double Eye of the Almighty, they have a deeper connection to the Spiritual Realm.

I like this idea. As I've said above, every order also getting a spiritual version of their surges feels a bit off to me but just the Bondsmiths and the Truthwatchers would make sense.

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Soulbearer Ferring Compounder.

You store your Investiture that you get while burning Nicrosil, then burn the metalmind created this way. You end up with a massive burst of Investiture, which you then store a portion of in a metalmind, burn the metalmind, rinse and repeat.

If I'm getting this right, you can literally steal the entire investiture of Harmony, Ascending because of the high levels of investiture, and take his place.

I'm going to find myself some hemalurgic spikes and have a "chat" with your Terris Soulbearer friend.

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I have a theory for reverse compounding. Use a nicrosil compounder to store massive amounts of (insert allomantic metal here) power and loop it using compounding, then release it in a burst. Powers up your allomancy.

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Jofwu

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I also like the idea of "Spiritual Surges" but I'm skeptical of it until we see more evidence.

Not to say there is NONE... Kaladin seems to have a nearly supernatural ability to draw people together and unite them. It's strikingly reminiscent of his Surges in my opinion. And I've always been particularly struck by the way Pattern referred to Shallans ability to Transform people when she recruited Vathah, Gaz, and co., paired by the way her drawings of "what people could be" seem to have spiritual effects on people. (Bluth, Elhokar, arguably Jasnah) Not to forget her bizarre drawings of Shalash and the Wind's Pleasure crew.

The problem is that these cases aren't outright Surgebinding as we saw with Dalinar's very explicit use of Spiritual Adhesion.

I'm definitely wondering if it's something that varies between Orders, with Bondsmiths and Truthwatchers (at the center of the diagram) having a unique spiritual aspect and emphasis while the Orders to the side are much less so. Those in between the center and edges are perhaps in the middle of that spectrum then, which explains what we see with Kaladin and Shallan well enough for me. Not outright Spiritual Surges, but still a more spiritual expression of their powers than we will see from those all the way on the outside. Someone above mentioned that the diagram doesn't necessarily have meaning, but I'd argue it's the other way around. The nature of the Orders would have inspired their positions on the diagram.

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More metaphors should involve Barber shop quartets, nice Shardcast as per usual.

I do think there is one example of an Identity compounder, but not in the cosmere. His name is Dan TDM, and I think to increase his compounding ability he's going to include another inset window of himself with real time reactions in response to his own videos. I'm pretty sure he gets his aluminum from the trace amount that leeches from the can into his cola.

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