Shardcast: Odium


This week on Shardcast we are talking about Odium. Oathbringer spoilers abound here, of course! We introduce Rayse and Odium, discuss how splintering works, intent vs. Intent (hey, that capitalization matters), and how did Honor trap Odium.

There was so much to discuss that the podcast was originally over two hours long, so we decided to split this. Next week you'll get to hear us argue about Odium vs. Passion, which is very spicy. 

Today's cast is Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Evgeni (Argent), and new to Shardcast is Grace (thegatorgirl). Give her a warm welcome! 

Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters (which will return next week) to [email protected], and you can always subscribe to Shardcast with this feed: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:102123174/sounds.rss

 

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If you don't hate this episode, you are not enjoying it correctly.

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Child of Hodor

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The death rattles we think we've seen come to pass, like "True Glory" are always a little off in the details. Broken One might be a weird misinterpretation of what is really meant. 

Tangent about Death Rattles: I wonder if they are kept vague in the details because they some are going to repeat / will be applicable to more than one event over the course of the series? 

Like this one that seems to be applicable to Dalinar seeing Kolinar destroyed in a vision:

A man stood on a cliffside and watched his homeland fall into dust. The waters surged beneath, so far beneath. And he heard a child crying. They were his own tears.— Collected on Tanatesev 1171, 30 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a cobbler of some renown.[10]

 

No one was crying when Dalinar saw Kolinar destroyed in the vision and there wasn't any water. I'm not saying this Death Rattle doesn't refer to Dalinar, but that there may be another event in the series that will fit it as well or better. 

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17 hours ago, Argent said:

If you don't hate this episode, you are not enjoying it correctly.

I feel very passionately about it.

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4 hours ago, Overlord Jebus said:

I feel very passionately about it.

Could you call this episode a "Passion" project?

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Regarding the I am Unity/WE KILLED YOU bit. The reason I thought that Unity was Adonalsium rather than Honor when I read that scene has to do with a Dalinar and Hoid conversation in Way of Kings. Chapter 54, Gibletish:

...Wit said, then looked directly at him. “Adonalsium.” Dalinar frowned more deeply. “What?” Wit searched his face. “Have you ever heard the term, Dalinar?” “Ado … what?” “Nothing,” Wit said.

Why would Hoid ask a random person about a pre-shattering term without some particular reason?

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2 minutes ago, Czernobog said:

Regarding the I am Unity/WE KILLED YOU bit. The reason I thought that Unity was Adonalsium rather than Honor when I read that scene has to do with a Dalinar and Hoid conversation in Way of Kings. Chapter 54, Gibletish:

...Wit said, then looked directly at him. “Adonalsium.” Dalinar frowned more deeply. “What?” Wit searched his face. “Have you ever heard the term, Dalinar?” “Ado … what?” “Nothing,” Wit said.

Why would Hoid ask a random person about a pre-shattering term without some particular reason?

We actually have Word of Brandon on this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/221/#e7682


tl;dr, he suspected Dalinar was part of a cosmere aware secret society, and was testing him.

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Curse you, Arcanum, destroyer of pet theories! Ah, well...good to know. 

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Excellente ! This podcast as always is great! I wonder if Odium knew he was being trapped in the Rosharan system because he knew in the long run (since time means nothing to any of the shard bearers) he could defeat Honor and Cultivation? Maybe he's biding his time, or maybe he isn't as clever as I think. Rayse and consequently Odium are fascinating, I think. Thanks guys again for the great podcast! @Chaos @WeiryWriter @Argent @thegatorgirl00

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12 hours ago, JusticeOfHerald said:

Just discovered this podcast. You got yourself a new member.

One of us! One of us!

 

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@Chaos @thegatorgirl00 @WeiryWriter @Argent as always, I love your discussions and theories,be they crack or otherwise. I was just wondering if you know from a WoB ot if you have speculated yourself about the possibility of someone taking up the power of a shard but having a separate intent after the vessel has long since died. I am specifically thinking of the possibility of Dalinar becoming a shard called Unity instead of taking up Honors splintered investiture and ascending to that shard and it's intent. If the shattering of Adonalsium created the possibility for 16 individuals to take up a seperate divine attribute,then could not the shattering of a single shard (Honor) also create the potential for subcategories of that divine attribute (unity, the part of an oath that binds one person/spren/etc. to another) 

Basically I am asking if you guys and if others here on the 17th shard think that either the intent of a splintered shard that is unified can change or whether that shard being splintered can create the potential for people to ascend to a different but related shard or perhaps demi-shard, which could be what is happening with Dalinar thus far.

Thanks for consistently great content guys and gals! 

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49 minutes ago, Cephandrius Everstorm said:

@Chaos @thegatorgirl00 @WeiryWriter @Argent as always, I love your discussions and theories,be they crack or otherwise. I was just wondering if you know from a WoB ot if you have speculated yourself about the possibility of someone taking up the power of a shard but having a separate intent after the vessel has long since died. I am specifically thinking of the possibility of Dalinar becoming a shard called Unity instead of taking up Honors splintered investiture and ascending to that shard and it's intent. If the shattering of Adonalsium created the possibility for 16 individuals to take up a seperate divine attribute,then could not the shattering of a single shard (Honor) also create the potential for subcategories of that divine attribute (unity, the part of an oath that binds one person/spren/etc. to another) 

Basically I am asking if you guys and if others here on the 17th shard think that either the intent of a splintered shard that is unified can change or whether that shard being splintered can create the potential for people to ascend to a different but related shard or perhaps demi-shard, which could be what is happening with Dalinar thus far.

Thanks for consistently great content guys and gals! 

We actually have an episode where we talk about this coming up in a couple weeks.

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teknopathetic

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Interesting WOB on Nan Balat and how he is being affected by an Unmade. I realize this is more about the Unmade, but it is also about Odium's unmade. 

 
Questioner

There's a scene where you can see from the perspective of Nan Balat, Shallan's brother, where he's maiming an insect. It's described as soothing his aches. Is that in any way related to how Kaladin feels depressed and down during the Weeping even in his early childhood?

Brandon Sanderson

What's happening to Nan Balat is magically enhanced. What's happening to Kaladin is mostly just chemical depression. Be he is really too young to be diagnosed with depression during some of these events, but he's got the seeds in there. So Kaladin is not magically depressed. Kaladin is just legitimatly a person with depression. Nan Balat... What's up with him is... ah... being exaggerated by certain forces moving in on Roshar. (last bit is a bit indistinctive)

 

Could this be Chemoaris or Dal-Gonarthis? 

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3 hours ago, teknopathetic said:

Could this be Chemoaris or Dal-Gonarthis? 

I like that thought. Since we are informed by Nazh that spren fishing is illegal in at least one place, and Dai-Gonarthis is referred to as the Black Fisher...could the "fish" terms be connected, and be of more than passing importance?

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Cephandrius Everstorm

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5 hours ago, WeiryWriter said:

We actually have an episode where we talk about this coming up in a couple weeks.

Awesome! I have predicted the future... Odium Reigns! *Don't slay me Jasnah*

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2 hours ago, Czernobog said:

I like that thought. Since we are informed by Nazh that spren fishing is illegal in at least one place, and Dai-Gonarthis is referred to as the Black Fisher...could the "fish" terms be connected, and be of more than passing importance?

Nazh's spren fishing doesn't really have anything to do with fish though, it's more like "spren baiting". Forcefully attracting certain kinds of spren - a little bit like what Dalinar did with Nergaoul, I guess. So I don't think Dai-Gonarthis will play into this, at least not for this reason. 

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