Shardcast: Moash


This week on Shardcast we talk about Moash, and the controversy revolving around him in Oathbringer. We analyze his role in Oathbringer, our thoughts, and more. 

Oh we also talk about Elhokar. No reason... We also make some tangents about Star Wars and Hoid. Of course there are big Oathbringer spoilers here!

Our cast today is Eric (Chaos), Ian (WeiryWriter), Matt (Comatose), and Alyx (FeatherWriter). I mostly was able to remove Alyx's microphone whir, and we are saying the word "like" less. Professionalism! 

Here's a link to at least an image of the Dan Wells newsletter: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/304795942719062017/398891598903246848/received_2181197685227523.jpeg

 

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Steeldancer

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You know what I'm looking forward to? Moash dying violently. VERY VIOLENTLY. 

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MonsterMetroid

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4 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

You know what I'm looking forward to? Moash dying violently. VERY VIOLENTLY. 

Agreed! Except instead of dying he gets redeemed and comes back to the light and cries to kaladin and asks for forgiveness... so i guess I actually disagree? :P

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2 hours ago, MonsterMetroid said:

Agreed! Except instead of dying he gets redeemed and comes back to the light and cries to kaladin and asks for forgiveness... so i guess I actually disagree? :P

And THEN he dies.

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Right. But because of the strangeness with the Rosharin afterlife, he comes back like Kelseir and becomes a great person.

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In reference to long podcasts, I think the day before the next SA book in 2021, you guys should record an eight hour preparation/hype podcast with everyone who guests rotating in and out throughout the episode and release it the Thursday before the book comes out. 

Would I spend eight hours on Saturday before an SA book comes out listening to a bunch of people talking in preparation for that book? Absolutely. 

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Gotta disagree with you on Moash's Bridge 4 Tattoo fading because he has changed.  I think it will have the exact opposite significance.

Kaladin and Marsh are reflections of one another.  Both are justifiably angry and passionate men who have had incredible injustices done to them by the world.  Kaladin had Syl though to act as his light and save him from a downward spiral of empty vengance and self-loathing.  Moash will probably need Kaladin to fulfill that role for him.

Just as Kaladin can't quite escape the darkness he bears towards lighteyes, I predict Moash won't be able to forget the kindness and redemption that his time in Bridge 4 offered him no matter how hard he tries.  Much as Kaladin's slavebrands have refused to fade, I think Moash's Bridge 4 tattoo will prove just as annoyingly persistent.  They're yin and yang to one another.  Kaladin's a creature of goodness with a taint of darkness he can't let go of (the slave brands), Moash's a creature of darkness with a mark of redemption that will stay with him (bridge 4 tattoo).

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9 hours ago, Subvisual Haze said:

Gotta disagree with you on Moash's Bridge 4 Tattoo fading because he has changed.  I think it will have the exact opposite significance.

Kaladin and Marsh are reflections of one another.  Both are justifiably angry and passionate men who have had incredible injustices done to them by the world.  Kaladin had Syl though to act as his light and save him from a downward spiral of empty vengance and self-loathing.  Moash will probably need Kaladin to fulfill that role for him.

Just as Kaladin can't quite escape the darkness he bears towards lighteyes, I predict Moash won't be able to forget the kindness and redemption that his time in Bridge 4 offered him no matter how hard he tries.  Much as Kaladin's slavebrands have refused to fade, I think Moash's Bridge 4 tattoo will prove just as annoyingly persistent.  They're yin and yang to one another.  Kaladin's a creature of goodness with a taint of darkness he can't let go of (the slave brands), Moash's a creature of darkness with a mark of redemption that will stay with him (bridge 4 tattoo).

I can definitely see that happening too! I'm just super confused by how important the name change to Vyre will be, because it always seemed very superfluous to me. If he sees himself as a totally different person then I think it's possible, if not, I think your interpretation could totally happen. It's very hard to say.

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hoiditthroughthegrapevine

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I think this is relevant to the discussion, I originally posted this on the Oathbringer Memes page, but I think that they might have a new expletive on Roshar:
 

Spoiler

Moashole.

I really liked the analysis from @Comatose about Moash being torn between throwing the bridge four badge into the fire, and then thinking about throwing himself into the fire, and how this narratively came full circle with him shedding the identity of Moash and becoming Vyre. I like it so much in fact, that I made Vyre's first death metal cover, here it is:

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Here's the tracklist:

1) Wasn't I a Dick?
2) Yeah, I'm Probably Still a Dick
3) Vyre, Yeah It Rhymes With Fire You Dick
4) O-di-um Be the Death of Me (a slight reworking of the Velvet Underground song Heroin)
6) It's a Long Way Back From Braize
7) Cremholes in the Stream (a duet with Ialai Sadeas)
8) Countdown to Desolation
9) Crazy Herald Train

If you get the remastered version you get some pretty interesting outtakes where he's spaced out on voidlight and mumbling incoherently about passion this and passion that. Track 17 where he's eating chouta while totally spaced out on voidlight is definitely worth listening to, trust me.

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Sallin Zeras

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Me when watching the name of the podcast: Oh, boy...

 

Honestly, I actually don’t hate Moash as much as most people, I would even say I like him as THE cremhole after all of the other cremholes died in either WoR or OB, because I mean, we gotta have AN cremhole

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