Shardcast: Keeping Up With The Kholins (Gavilar and Navani)


Welcome to Keeping Up With The Kholins, the newest reality show about your favorite and most powerful (and very Radiant) Rosharan family. Oh wait, it's just Shardcast. We're here to talk about characters in the Kholin family, their relationships, and what we feel about them. Adorably, we thought we could keep this to one episode. It will be four. 

This week we primarily talk about Gavilar and Navani, and their respective relationships. Next time, we'll talk about their children. After that, we'll talk about Dalinar's side of the family. Turns out, there's a lot to talk about with the Kholins. Who know! (Everyone did. That's who.)

Our cast today is Eric (Chaos), Alyx (FeatherWriter), Matt (Comatose), and Shannon (Grey), and lots of us are in different rooms now, which changed acoustic properties. Sound recording is weird, yo. 

News items!

Rosharan foil map: http://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/limited-foil-roshar-maps-on-sale-fall-sale-r426/

Legion Promo: http://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/limited-foil-roshar-maps-on-sale-fall-sale-r426/

 

 

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You forgot that in one of the flashbacks where Dalinar remembers Navani talking really enthusiastically about new fabrial technology and Gavilar was just ignoring her.

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I really want to echo how crazy smart Dalinar is. Granted, it's Roshar and they don't have weird stuff like us that we have to memorize. But he can memorize nearly a whole book, word for word. He's listened to it told over and over, and now can recite it. That's impressive, to me.

Kinda like when a work friend recited the whole "Battle of Wits with a Sicilian" from Princess Bride to me. I was super impressed.

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Regarding the disparity in the level of grief displayed by Navani: I cannot help but wonder if the deep mourning when Navani thought Jasnah was dead was something of an overreaction due to intense guilt. I'm guessing we'll learn that it was Navani who ultimately made the decision to have Jasnah committed to the insane asylum. 

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16 hours ago, Czernobog said:

Regarding the disparity in the level of grief displayed by Navani: I cannot help but wonder if the deep mourning when Navani thought Jasnah was dead was something of an overreaction due to intense guilt. I'm guessing we'll learn that it was Navani who ultimately made the decision to have Jasnah committed to the insane asylum. 

Navani also mentions, when she opens up to Shallan that Jasnah never let Navani mother her. I wonder if that might have also contributed to it, to have a child who doesn't let you raise her, and now she's gone, without really giving Navani that chance to really raise a child (Assuming Elhokar was primarily raised by his father, to learn how to be a king and all that fun stuff)

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Shardcast: "We don't know Rosharan wedding vows."

Me: "Which makes the job of planning a wedding a lot harder..." :P

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At some point Navani definitely says at some point that she never cheated on Gavliar, but she had good reason to. This implies, to me, a pretty shaky relationship. I don't know if that means Gavilar was unfaithful or just not a good partner and husband in other ways, but I really want to some day get some insight into that relationship. My guess? They totally messed up.

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Guys excellent podcast!! The Kholins are fascinating!! I second @Naurock, it is crazy how smart Dalinar is. He is always saying how bad he is at things except for soldiering, but his memory, aside from Cultivation's intervention, is impeccable. He learns how to read and write and writes his own novel in  what seems to be record time. What is also fascinating is his almost dual nature. It's like in his flashbacks he was part animal and part human. Like, Adolin and Renarin could hate their father for not really being there physically and emotionally, for being an alcoholic. But still they love their father and hold him in high regard. As do his soldiers. And Jasnah, who seems to hold Dalinar especially in high regard. This leads me to believe, that the Dalinar we see now was always there, it peeked out albiet probably rarely. We've had so many Dalinar flashbacks, but I still feel we know so little. I really am super excited to see more flashbacks, maybe on Navani's and Gavilar's relationship and Jasnah's incarceration in the mental asylum. I wonder was she put in because she was seeing Shadesmar, but couldn't properly describe it? I wonder what it was? Was she abused? She seems to distance herself physically and emotionally from everyone except a few. I'm sure it has to do with the events leading up to her being put in the insane asylum. I always felt that Navani settled for Gavilar as she saw where he was going, i.e. king of Alethkar. But I think if she wasn't marrying for status, but love, she would've married Dalinar long ago. But I suppose it's worked out for the best as they have both had a chance to grow individually and together.

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On 9/8/2018 at 8:00 PM, AonEne said:

Shardcast: "We don't know Rosharan wedding vows."

Me: "Which makes the job of planning a wedding a lot harder..." :P

I bet Brandon would give you some juicy WoBs if you were to ask...

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3 hours ago, Argent said:

I bet Brandon would give you some juicy WoBs if you were to ask...

Sadly they wouldn't be in time. ;) But that is a good idea.

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whattheHoid

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I would imagine an Alethkar wedding would be chalk full of vows and oathbinding (eh, eh?) and probably some stiff Alethi dancing that get progressively more and more crazy as libations are imbibed. It also wouldn't be complete with ladies throwing down some singing and dancing duels. I wonder do they have some flower throwing tradition? Maybe they throw some spheres? So basically like every other wedding.

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15 hours ago, AonEne said:

Sadly they wouldn't be in time. ;) But that is a good idea.

Email him! Reddit PM! Carrier pigeon! Don't let your dreams be dreams!

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The most inspirational quote ever by Argent - "Don't let your dreams be dreams!" I can almost see the swirly font pasted on someone's wall.

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