Lord Tavash Shar

The question was never if they could make the magic systems. It's why DON'T they? As was said. Ruin can make things. It just does not even try to do so. The question is why the systems are not the same what specifically modifies the expression of physical power. Intent has an effect. What is the Mechanical aspect that creates said effect's? If all intent creates a standing wave in the spiritual sense that act as channels to shape any form of investiture the mechanics are simple, Repeatable, and applicable at both the micro to macro scales consistently. It explains why we have different magics that effect each other and why some effects will exist across multiple systems.

Notes before we begin. This is a deep dive into the over all nature of Investiture and explaining the reasons there are different powers that are all considered Investiture after having finished The Lost Metal. While I can and will point to Primary sources in other books I have Only come up with this Idea after Having read them as well as the Lost Metal and so there are going to be spoilers from there and other books that must be directly referenced. Do Not Proceed if you have not finished that book and do not want spoilers. . . . . Following the Events of the Lost metal its clear that their is an over all governing Principal in the Hacks used to move investiture from one magic system to another. The question of why the magic systems are different has mostly been handwaved as "The Shards" or "The Planet" in direct questioning but after Events of the Lost Metal a larger theory on what is happening and why is I believe finally possible. What is more if this theory is correct it does explain some of the other problems run into through out the Cosmere. Specifically the reasons that heavily invested objects and individuals cannot easily be moved across the Cosmere and some ways that the Issue may be circumvented. First is to understand why we see different powers across the Cosmere. This effect has created beautiful and varied stories and cultures but there interactions from here on out mean that they do need to successfully inhabit the same space. Understanding exactly why we see different powers will help to explain the interactions when they are used both with and against each other. We first get hints of this in the "Lecture on fabrial mechanics" from the Rhythm of War/Epigraphs. Specificity Epigraph 7: "The two metals of primary significance are zinc and brass, which allow you to control expression strength. Zinc wires touching the gemstone will cause the spren inside to more strongly manifest, while brass will cause the spren to withdraw and its power to dim. Remember that a gemstone must be properly infused following the spren’s capture. Drilled holes in the gemstone are ideal for proper use of the cage wires, so long as you don’t crack the structure and risk releasing the spren." Here we see descriptions of using metals that we clearly Recognize from Mistborn in a way that while it does not match the effect is similar enough that IF spren were available on Scadrial we might have already seen this in Use. Likewise the Seons Metal Cages as Described in both Rythm of Way and The Lost Metal appear to be some sort of fabrial that allows their removal from Sel. Finally the words of Moonlight to Marasi on the effects of the Refined Dor as well as its application throughout the story with Twinsouls using it for his Athers, Moonlights use of Forging, and Finally the use by the Metal born of the Community. Raw investiture can be applied to any art. So why do multiple arts exist? The Shards themselves appear to be the answer according to the RAFO's and yet they are all supposed to be essentially the same in terms of power. Ruin destroys things not because he lacks the power to do so. But because he is driven by an intent. so why are there no breaths on Roshar, Mistborn on Sel, or spren on Scadrial? To understand this we need to understand what was discovered by Navani and Raboniel in Rhythm of War when they found that Stormlight, Voidlight, and Lifelight have frequencies that can be interfered with through specific processes. These frequencies are based on the Intent of the Shard interacting on the planet according to the RAFO's. If this is extrapolated out to all the shards then each should have a Frequency, and frequencies have two specific features. A fall off called a Trough and a rise called a Peek. The different Peeks and Troughs in a Frequency create an effect called a wave. In physics, a standing wave, also known as a stationary wave, is a wave that oscillates in time but whose peak amplitude profile does not move in space. If the shards have a frequency that does not change over time its likely that they would act as an Oscillator that creates such a standing wave in the Axi that make up the Building blocks of the Cosmere. This would also explain the Planets having an effect as the mater they are made up of would like wise produce such waves. leading to interactions between them and any shard in the area. Kelsier admitted to being able to see as much in the Epilog of The Lost Metal when he Thought "The very Axi that Made up matter had there own Polarity, Influenceable with Steelpushing under the right circumstances." Likewise we know that when shards come to a new place they Invest the area around them. Pushing more investiture into the local environment while at the same time if we are correct creating these Standing waves thanks to there specific Oscillating frequencies. These frequencies would then allow for that investiture to be accessed in specific ways/places based on where the Oscillation pushed it. These locations would not necessary be places, but could be concepts, specific people, or any number of other "Locations" thanks to the existence of the Spiritual realm to act as a medium for the displacement of investiture based on the Standing wave of a shard. Likewise this would mean that as your proximity to a specific shard drops, Specifically your connection to them based on the concept of location, the natural wave form of the rest of the Cosmere would assert it self. Making it so that it would be harder to support specific effects as you would lack the background Peaks and Troughs of your home environment. Allowing the investure even if available to Disperse more as it would lack the shards literal guiding stationary wave form. How ever when a waveform or pattern in the form of an Aether or the SDNA of a native of Scadrial was provided investure that was lacking the standing wave of a shard would still match the waveform from these known systems. This also explains why it is hard to use investure between some systems and not others. As some wave forms would naturally overlap and there by increase the Amplitude of investure that could be present in an effect while others would outright cancel each other out and completely prevent effects from forming. What is more investure that was already carrying a specific standing wave would resist taking another shape that did not match the previous one or create effects in the new standing wave that were previously not there as the wave form distorted. We have some evidence for this from Sixth of dusk. where the different birds act as filters for the power of the Perpendicularity located on Patji into effects resemblance to electrum shadows and copper clouds. This would mean that certain effects are common/repeating/universal. Certain materials are needed not because of the shards but because of background effects in universe. and that a predicable set of interactions is possible. The first of which we have seen as the Leeching of the Ghost gun in the Constructs of antiquity. Thoughs?

"No!" Odium screamed. He stepped forward. "No, we killed you. WE KILLED YOU!" Dalinar stood within a pillar of light and spinning gloryspren, One hand at each side, clutching the realm's that made reality. Forgivin. The pain he'd so recently insisted that he would keep started to fade away on its own. These Words... Are accepted, the Stormfather said, sounding stunned. How? What have you done? Odium stumbled back. "Kill Him, Attack him!" - Oathbringer Chapter 119 Unity page 1139 I don't think that Odium is referring to Honor here. First is that he says "We killed you." implying that he worked with some one. While its true that we don't know how he is shattering other shards the implication of we is a group and I doubt from his behavior that one of his mortal servants counts as we. After all he tries to get Dalinar to go give up his pain and ownership of his wife's death. If my analysis of his personality is correct then referring to Honor here would say "I killed you.". Second is that his reaction is to strong for another shard being who he refers to. If it was I would expect a line more along the lines of "I shattered you once before." or a "Why do you think that power can help you?" something to undermine and distract the person ascending and make attacking them easier on a psychological level. This reaction is more along the lines that what ever Dalinar is doing here is beyond or outside his expectations for the death in question. 3rd is the gloryspren. Honor or some kind of dutyspren make more sense if its Honors power he is tapping how ever Gloryspren are something that even Sylphrena says she is annoyed by as they "Don't do ANYTHING" . I would love to know if gloryspren existed before Honor and cultivation arrival. Taken together the imply something more than a Well of Ascension type effect based around the remnants of honors splintered shard. So to present my case. We know that Roshar and the first spren were all created by Adonalsium. we also know that in this scene Dalinar refers to holding both the Cognitive and Spiritual realms in his hands prior to uniting them in the pillar of light. Finally we see that the Stormfather is shocked by the acceptance of these words as Dalinars next oath implying that he does not understand how or why they work as an oath. Finally there are the dreams that are not coming from the storm father dreams of piece in an abstract and personal to Dalinars life way. I think that the assumption that this is all the power of a Bondsmith is incorrect. That none of the others Bondsmiths could have done something like this and that its not the fact that he bonded the Stormfather. I think that Odium was so horrified because this is something of Adonalsium could have done. Maybe did do. A primal power of all 16 shards before their division that he has no counter for and no understand as to how it could be possible without the full powers of Adonalsium.

Odium is Actually the good guy splintering the other shards because that is the plan that Adonalsium laid out for him to defend creation from the cosmeric equivalent of a deep one.

So I might be a horrible heathen but I kind of thought that spook might be Kelsiers new body........ because he really does need a string to the physical world. A mistoborn body would be easier to use then super spiked one and spook, Once he was done. Might not want kelsier to just hijack some one else.

Remember also that at the end of the Bands of morning we have a glowing red eyed something. Mr. Suit likens it to harmony's faceless immortals so we know that even if its not odium SOMTHING is active on Scadrial. We need to keep an open mind rather than leaping to unmade or spren possession because that is not the only things it could be. Remember that in secret histories Kelsier saw ruin as a mass of writhing red destruction in the sky and there are things like Skaze in Elantris that influence others to do harm. Both of those things fit some parts of the Sets over all operation and we don't know where the extra Ruin energy Sazid should have is or if all things have stayed in there correct placed. Its worth note that in Secret Histories the Ire are sure that Threnodites are trying to join the main stage of the cosmer. The way they are fussing about it In that seen I think there talking about shades. Lord knows how those things will work on other shard worlds. Its even possible that were looking at something related to the God beyond here and/or Adonalsium's enemy. makes sense when you think about it. Trells million star eyes are all the shattered forms its investiture takes through out the cosmer and its enemy as one whole (It its a power equal too.) is still one cohesive anti Adonalsium. We need more information as usual. Hence I'm rabid about cosmer unbound. Though that might mostly just be lift.

Manly tears are acceptable payment. You can have a joy spren while crying them.

That's because that line is Real life. That is life advice of the highest quality right there.

All Parshmen are slave form Parshendi, and all Parshmen and Parshendi have the Potential to be void bringers when the ever storm hits them: Its outright stated by Jasnah and Hoid in the epilog as well as Graves to Moash: "The Diagram is vague," Graves said. "We only knew the term because of old Gavilar's visions. The Diagram says this will probably return the Voidbringers, though. Those have turned out to be the parshmen, it seems." He shook his head. "Damnation. That woman was right." "Woman?" "Jasnah Kholin" And to Dalnar via Shallan. Now here is the fun thing. How much listener is required in your blood to be able to take a form because according to what we know of the story humans both enslaved and interbreed with the listeners. That is how we got the Horneaters. That is probably why the Herdaz have stone fingernails instead of normal human ones. That's probably even how the Aimians have kandra style shape shifting in there skin and wrong ways shadows. So how much makes you a void bringer. What does it take in your blood line for a void spren to ride you into Odiums legion? Does having a Nahl bond stop that from happening?

Thing is that I always thought his boon was related to Gavilar. I remember in WoR that he mentioned that he almost went to war with his brother specifically because there was no one else to fight. It made sense to me that he went to the night watcher asking to have that feeling removed before it consumed him and got a second "Boon" removing the pain of his wife's passing from her as his curse. Because spren logic would be "Both these things are hurting you." I'll find the quote for this when I'm not at work.

I started to love this series in a certain book seller in Karbranths Shop. “Brightness...I believe you stray into sarcasm." "Funny. I thought I'd run straight into it, screaming at the top of my lungs.” ― Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings

In answer to that: Interview: Oct 12th, 2015 Shadows of Self-Oak Brook, IL Alterodent With zinc, you get mental speed. How is that any different from steel, except without [physical] speed? Brandon Sanderson I think of the mental speed actually turning you into... Let's say you sped up your body, and you wanted to figure out some really complex equations. Alterodent So it lets you have intuitive leaps. Brandon Sanderson Right. It basically turns you into Ken Jennings. That's how I imagine it. Kurkistan So it's not like bullet time? Brandon Sanderson No... It'll bullet time a little bit, it certainly will, because you're thinking faster than everyone else, but it has applications beyond bullet timing. Bullet time is really- Kurkistan That’s steel’s thing? Brandon Sanderson That’s kind of steel's thing. They overlap on that one, because the steel thing... But yeah. It's more like "I think fast, but my reaction speed is not sped up". Its worth noting that while looking for this I also found: Interview: Sep, 2012 Cosmere Q&A - 17th Shard (Verbatim) Thoughtful Spurts If there's really no upper limit to feruchemy for practical reasons* , why didn't Sazed just fill steel at ridiculous levels for a few minutes in WoA, and then go back to running instead of leaving his steelminds there? Say, being some 100,000 times slower than he would normally be for about a minute. Meaning that a feruchemist should be able to fill a given metalmind in very short periods of time if you fill at a high enough rate. Brandon Sanderson The low end is bounded. You can pull out tons--but in filling, you can only go so far. I didn't ever explicitly talk about this in the series, but the implications are there. Not all have the same bounds, but in your example, the body just can't slow beyond a certain point. Think of it this way--you can only fill a weight metalmind with as much weight as you have to give. So you can become very, very light--but you only add to a time for doubling your weight. You can't make yourself 100,000 times slower and gain 100,000 times multiplication. You can give up all of your normal speed, and so when you tap that speed out you are at 200% for an equal period. (And that's a theoretical maximum; realistically, you can only go to down around 75% slower or the like.) Tags feruchemy, sazed, mistborn, Basing my thoughts around these there is a cognitive "slow down" while storing steel but its slight. because there is a bottom floor to storing that is no where near the upper reaches available to tapping.

I always assumed that this was due to Sazed being a scholar and not a combat specialist meaning that he was not as trained with his Feruchemical steel. This seems like an ask Brandon. Something along the lines of "Dose storing large amounts of Feruchemical steel have an effect on the users cognitive perception similar to Cadmium?"

Cymatics are a known in world science per Kabsal and all of the great cities in world match one of the patterns that sand can make on a harmonic plate. So there is that aspect to consider in additions to the materials

The thing here is that Feruchemical steel leads to a bullet time effect while tapping so wouldn't the storing of it create a little of the opposite. Think the sloths from zootopia or cadmium, While storing it looks and feels like the rest of the worlds passing you by faster unless you were to tap something like zinc to counteract the mental effects.