vandalhearts

You got downvoted for arguing theory against fanfiction (or headcannon or whatever they want to call it) shippers. I made the same mistake in the Kaladin thread and was similarly downvoted. They really don't care about facts and textual evidence. Victim complex much? Pointing out the unlikelihood of any major character being LGBT is not "erasing bisexuality". It is simply pointing out facts and evidence. Do you know the person you are replying to personally that you jump instantly to assuming that he has an axe to grind against bisexuality?

Okay so I seem to have offended some people which I'd like to apologize for. That was not my intention in the least bit. And I'd like to clarify I'm not arguing the merits of fanfiction shipping. I take issue with the people who claim that Kaladin may be bisexual. This theory has no merit. And I'm not saying that because I have a problem with Kaladin being a bisexual (honestly I wouldn't care) but because it is based on weak logic and no evidence. People espouse this theory because of: 1. Kaladin not definitely being a heterosexual. 2. The fact that in real life people are unaware of their own sexuality until much later in their lives. 3. The fact that some people can be in romantic relationships without a sexual attraction. So Kaldin only being attracted to women and not men isn't enough evidence? If you want to take this to the extreme, Kaladin could solely be in heterosexual relationship(s) throughout the books but unless he specifically states that he is not attracted to men, he could still be bisexual? I'm sorry but you're claiming bisexuality on the lack of conclusive evidence for the other option. This is bad logic plain and simple. Lets say you meet a white dude in the Bahamas, wearing Dallas cowboys gear, purchasing goods with American money and speaking with a southern accent. People would say he's an American. If someone says that we don't know for sure that he is an American without seeing his passport and that he could be British as well are really reaching and that is what you're doing with this theory. True enough, but for this to work with Kaladin you would have to extrapolate from real world data. How common is this scenario? Is there any reason for this to be true in Roshar? If so where is the evidence for it? Ultimately this point also hinges on a possibility and not any actual evidence that we've seen. As long as we're speaking with anecdotes, I have also known homosexual people in real life who were hilariously unaware of their own sexuality but it was very obvious to others. For it to work with Kaladin, we'd have to have some tell or some reaction from another POV observer. Kaladin has displayed no such mannerisms that would indicate that he may harbor attraction towards other guys. True but ultimately pointless in this debate. Kaladin could end up in a romantic relationship with a guy despite being heterosexual (I reeeeealy doubt it) but again where is the evidence for this? Is there any foreshadowing for this? So to conclude, the theory that Kaladin may be in a relationship with a guy is based on nothing but really weak assumptions, bad logic and absolutely no evidence. If people are going to put forward a theory they should at least have some basis for it.

I didn't mean to come off as rude or hurtful, I'm just pointing out bad logic. The argument is: "Just because we haven't seen Kaladin being attracted to guys doesn't mean he's not bisexual." This logic is faulty and cannot argue in favor or against so it is irrelevant. We can only go from textual evidence, which points to Kaladin not being into guys. Yes I do have a bad opinion of fanfiction but again that is neither here nor there. We are discussing the possibility of relationships Kaladin can be in. I'm just putting in my two cents that there is no evidence of Kaladin being a bisexual. Again I'm only responding to the people who claim Kaladin could be in a romantic or sexual relationship with guys. A Kaladin/Adolin friendship is already pretty well established in the book so I am not debating that.

This goes without saying and isn't really limited to alternate sexuality. Just because someone is straight does not mean they're attracted to every member of the opposite sex. So it does not have a bearing on the argument. If you don't take textual evidence or author opinion into account then you might as well be writing fan fiction. There is zero textual evidence that Kaladin feels any sort of sexual attraction for guys and plenty that says otherwise. She is more intimidated by his intensity than scared of him. I agree that Shallan/Kaladin is far from being a certainty but it still has a lot more going for it than an Adolin/Kaladin relationship

I get where the non straight shippers are coming from. It sucks not having protoganists that you can relate to. That being said, Kaladin is a main viewpoint character. In fact we know more about him arguably than any other character. That he is straight is pretty much undeniable. His attraction to Shallan and jealousy of Adolin is explicitly mentioned as is his heartbreak over Tarah. His budding attraction to Laral was also alluded to. By contrast there hasn’t been a single instance of anything like that towards Adolin or another male character. Claiming he is bi or will be involved in a same sex romance is more than a stretch, it is flat out ridiculous. Adolin, Renarin, Jasnah or any other character without a lot of POVs turning out to be non straight is more plausible because we’ve not really seen much of their thoughts or feelings up until now. Anyways on this topic, Syl really should have been an option! I hope Kaladin’s story ends with him turning into a honorspren and riding off into the winds with her. Sorry I'm a sucker for cheesy cliched endings.

Finally someone said what I wanted to say! I agree with you completely OP, his mistakes and failures make him much more relateable. His story was much more enjoybale for me than Shallan for example, who didn't make any mistakes and had far too few challenges in this book IMO.

Rock wouldn't be a match anyways since he is married.

Yeah but Shallan seems to favor emotional over rational often and demonstrates it in that very excerpt. Even though she has no rational reason to hate Amaram, she still does. And lets not forget that Kaladin knew he was the one who killed her brother during the chasm scene but he kept quiet about it. She isn't going to take that very well.

The time skip is not centuries but years I think. Since Renarin and Lift have been confirmed as POV characters in the second set, centuries wouldn't make any sense. So we could potentially see our current favorites like Kaladin and Shallan serve roles like Dalinar and Navani. Not very in depth but still present and involved in the story.

I predict that Shallan will find out about Kaladin killing her brother through the Ghostbloods, which will push her away from the other Radiants (since they'll not likely see anything wrong with his actions). I also predict that there will be no romance arc for Jasnah. She has been built up too much as this strong, independent woman for that.

I think the gender of the spren depends on the perception of the person bonded to it. There are some excerpts from WoK that support this. I think there is a conversation that confirms spren don't have a gender but I can't find it right now.

Edit: sorry misread

Remember that Wyndle says that some spren have problems making themselves visible and others have the opposite problem. Pattern isn't able to make himself fully invisible so it is possible that Elhokar's cryptics (if they are cryptics) might have revealed themselves to him inadvertently.

I knew Amaram wouldn't recognize Kaladin right away. Not a big earth shattering prediction but still satisfying. I knew Shen was a spy but that was only after I read the preview chapter epigraphs, so I'm not really giving myself any credit for that.

The way most spren are described they aren't really self aware or intelligent. Using them in fabrials might not be much different to "enslaving" chulls or other livestock animals.