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    M'Hael,True Herald of the Brightness Ascendant
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  1. Thanks everyone! And well done @Stick. - was loads of fun being evil with you - thanks for keeping us updated in the Spiked doc even when the rest of you left you. Was also nice to play alongside you @Faerie Braids, good to meet you!
  2. This was super fun! Thanks for running! And well done everyone. Your early choices to sow chaos Mat were great, and if not for Archer's bold lie that helped direct everyone to Devo I reckon you might have had the game. And nicely played Archer. The uncertainty in all the information was doing my head in >> but it made for a wonderful puzzle. Feels like there's stuff to tweak, and I'd be curious how it'd fair at double the player count, but seems quite workable a ruleset.
  3. Follow up post in case this merges To clarify, something that contributes to me being generally suspicious of Mat is that he hasn't (that I can see) made any claim of his N1 actions, when in a all villagers sharing information to solve the puzzle, that'd be the first thing I'd expect a villager to do. Rather, he conveniently doesn't bring his role up when Raven mysteriously seems to have had their action blocked. Evil Innkeeper Mat could well be responsible.
  4. Yay! No more Ooklas! So I had wanted to get Mat's response to what actions he did for Night 1, but seems like he doesn't intend to share, so we'll go ahead and post this anyway. Alright, so my assumption is that there is a Forsaken with one Darkfriend ally. They cannot communicate with each other privately, so the only communication they've had as in thread where we can see it. I think I'm willing to accept Aeoryi's claim of being victim to the bubble of evil. Doesn't mean they're not a darkfriend (though I don't think they are), but it does mean that they are not the Forsaken. Regarding Devo: N1 Archer as Wisdom determined Devotary was Forsaken N1 Aeoryi as Gossip got that either Devotary was village or Forsaken (but not a darkfriend) N1 Raven as Veteran attempted to kill Devotary, but nothing happened N1 Wizard as Watchman received Devotary as their second name So, with my N0 intel, either I was poisoned/drunk and one of Wizard and JNV are the Forsaken, or I was not, in which case those two are not Forsaken and Devotary is able to. So it's a matter of whether Mat really got me drunk or not N0. It is possible that Archer was given incorrect information C1 (bubble of evil), and Aeoryi's information doesn't give a positive ID. It's possible that Wizard was drunk N0 and so a village read of Aeoryi doesn't help support Devo being a DF or Forsaken. It's possible that the bubble of evil changed Aeoyri's role C2. But the question is how did Raven's ability fail? Only way they don't die is if they didn't use it (feels unlikely), or they were poisoned/drunk. Which means either JNV or Mat is truthful about their roles and is evil. If JNV is an evil apothecary, then that means that I was not drunk N0, and so Wizard and JNV are not Forsaken. Which means that Mat was lying about being an innkeeper, making Mat Forsaken, with JNV blocking the kill. This is trolly on JNV's part rather than necessary. If Mat is an evil innkeeper, I think that means I was drunk N0, and one of my targets is forsaken. evil Mat could be covering for evil Wizard, but I'm not thinking that's likely, though flagging it as a possibility to look back on later. In this world, JNV is Forsaken, while Mat trolled Raven by getting drunk. Still inclined to believe this tbh, but let's keep going. If the bubble of evil hit village Mat instead of Archer, it wouldn't cancel the action, just give false information. My own scan would still be affected by drunkenness, so it would turn the combination of our scans into saying Wizard is Forsaken. But if the C1 bubble of evil didn't hit Archer, then we've got a contradiction with the Archer claim of Devotary as Forsaken. Only way that works is if Wizard and Archer are evil buddies, I think. But this doesn't explain why Raven's action failed. Because I don't see village Mat or JNV blocking Raven. So I don't see this as likely. So what if Mat didn't make me drunk N0. Possibly in this scenario they are not an Innkeeper. That means JNV and Wizard are clear, and that Aeoryi and Devotary are different teams. A village read of Aeoryi, makes Devo a darkfriend or a Forsaken, and taken with Aeoryi's Gossip, puts them as a Forsaken. In a world where Aeroyi is truthful about the C2 bubble of evil but is a darkfriend, this still allows Devo to be Forsaken, but does still allow them to be village. But I'm more inclined to give the Aeoryi village read. We have to give a reason for the Raven kill failing. I don't think evil!Raven makes sense in this world - an evil veteran wouldn't ever want to show their ability, and I think would be more likely to fake claim something less verifiable. I guess it's possible there's a Devotary/Raven team up. But then that makes it more likely for there to be a village Mat who would have made me drunk N0. So I still don't see it. Hrm. This is the mess. Outside of my own alignment the thing I'm most sure about is that Aeoryi is probably telling the truth about the C2 bubble, and so cannot be the Forsaken. If we go on gut reads, I'm feeling off about Devo and Matt, particularly with how they're posting and voting. I can probably go into it more later, but it's under 45 min to rollover so later. So what if Devo = Forsaken, and Mat = Darkfriend Innkeeper. I think it works if I got hit with the bubble of evil, while evil innkeeper Mat does hit both Wizard and I as claimed. I believe the bubble of Evil would mean my results couldn't be relied on as with drunkeness. That then opens up all of the Devo actions suggesting Devo to be evil as being successful. So with that in mind, we'll go with Devotary instead of Mat. I know Drake just ninja'd me again, but here's one with my vote change incorporated. Vote Tally (5) Devotary: Wizard{1}, JNV{1}, Archer{1}, Aeoryi{1}, Hael{2} (0) Mat: Devotary{1}, Hael{1} (1) JNV: Mat{1} (1) Hael: Devotary (1) No Execution: Raven{1} (5) Devotary: Wizard, JNV, Archer, Aeoryi, Hael (1) JNV: Mat (1) Hael: Devotary (1) No Execution: Raven
  5. New post that will probably merge Going to put a vote on Mat while I wait for a response.
  6. I asked when Bubble of Evil things happen, and the answer was at the end of Night turns. @GMs - does that mean a Day result won't ever be effected by the bubble?
  7. Right, they can't be an unrelated Darkfriend, they're either good, or they're Forsaken. Only way Devo is Forsaken is if Mat lied about getting Wizard and I drunk, meaning Wizard and JNV are village, and Wizards first name isn't wasted. I'd be inclined to believe that if Mat was lying, he's a darkfriend. Would leave their role up in the air a bit. If this is the world we're in, strong chance that Wizard's next name is either Mat or Devo. Just flagging that I'd put question marks on the drunk things, and Paradigm is also claiming to have Wisdomed if Devo was the Forsaken, I think.
  8. Ookla the Raveness/Wizard claimed Watchman, getting Ookla the Resolute/Aeoyri as their (allegedly drunken) result. Ookla the Resolute/Aeoryi claimed Gossip, who last suggested they target Devo today to get their one truth and lie from the GMs. JNV claimed Apothecary, and that they chose not to use their ability last night. Ookla the Destined/Mat claimed Innkeeper, suggesting they scanned Ookla the Raveness/Wizard and Hael as Village last night, making the pair drunk. Ookla of Ravens claimed Veteran and has not used their ability yet. Devotary of Spontaneity claimed Gleeman, saying that they scanned Ookla the Paradigm/Archer as Village last night. Haelbarde claimed Elder, saying they learned that JNV and Ookla the Raveness/Wizard were not the Forsaken, although if drunk as a result of being targeted by Ookla the Destined/Mat, then the result means that one of JNV and Ookla the Raveness/Wizard has to be the Forsaken. Ookla the Paradigm claimed Wisdom and has not used their ability yet.
  9. Exactly. The whole point of this game is the village trying to gather information, so if executing you now gets better information later, then that seems worthwhile. Or are you saying that executing you Day 2 gives us more info gathering time? Because as I said earlier, if we don't execute you know, there's the potential for village info gatherers wasting their time verifying you instead of immediately know that you and your scans are clean and can move on to verifying others. I guess I'm not understanding your point yet. He's only Forsaken in the world where you are a Village Innkeeper telling the truth. If you are any combination of a Villager who is lying about being an Innkeeper or your scans, or a Darkfriend who is or is not an Innkeeper, JNV is either 50/50 a Forsaken, or is village. If everyone is willing to trust you, and so by your scan trust me, then we can execute JNV and be done with it. Otherwise, we need to verify you to know which world we are in. Plus keep in mind, we do have the Veteran (in theory) waiting to try and kill the Forsaken. JNV could be their target tonight if they wanted to use it that way. Like I said, I talked to Kas about it (and Drake has since weighed in) and the indication is that the second interpretation is correct. Basically that one of my results is guaranteed to be incorrect. And so given "this player is not a Forsaken" is incorrect, that means one of my two results has to be a Forsaken. I claimed last because I was asleep while all of you were claiming (except JNV - I did have opportunity to claim before them I suppose). And are you suggesting that in fact you didn't scan me or otherwise have serious reason to doubt that your result was accurate?
  10. There's incentive in that it lets other information gathering roles to operate on confidently on knowledge gained by your claims during the next cycle, rather than waiting until the last cycle, and having more chances of a bubble of evil messing things up. Now, that being said, thinking about my role further, and checking with Kas about the interpretation of rules, I do have interesting information to bring to the table now. My role is the that of Elder. At the end of Night 0 I was told that two players (JNV and Raveness/Wizard) are not the Forsaken. With Destined/Mat having claimed to make me drunk, I figured there was little point to sharing the information, as I had interpreted falsifying my information as meaning that "these players cannot be the Forsaken" would be turned into "these players might not be the Forsaken", which is effectively useless. Everyone knows that any collection of other players might not be the Forsaken. However, the other way of looking at it, and I think this is the correct way to interpret it, if I am drunk, and so my information has to be false, then the only way that my information is false is if one of the two indicated players (JNV and Raveness/Wizard) is the Forsaken. And that makes things interesting. The options are as follows, provided there was no interference from a bubble of evil: Destined/Mat is a Village Innkeeper. They scanned Raveness/Wizard and I as village, but made me drunk, meaning that one of JNV or Raveness/Wizard is the Forsaken. And with Mat scanning Raveness/Wizard as village, that means JNV is the Forsaken. Destined/Mat is the Forsaken. Then I was not drunk last night, and so I have an independent scan of JNV and Raveness/Wizard being village. Destined/Mat is a Darkfriend Innkeeper. In which case I am drunk, and one of Raveness/Wizard and JNV is the Forsaken, but we can no longer rely on Destined/Mat's scan of Raveness/Wizard being accurate. I need to work through what the best course of action is now though. Without thinking about it further, I'll keep on Destined/Mat as I would like to know how to interpret my information.
  11. Vote Tally (0) Devotary: Resolute{1} (0) Ravens: Destined{1} (2) Destined/Mat: Ravens{1}, Pardigm{2}, Hael{2} (1) Hael: Destined{2} (0) JNV: Resolute{2} (0) Paradigm/Archer: Devotary{1} (1) Resolute/Aeoryi: Paradigm{1}, Raveness{1} (0) Raveness/Wizard: Devotary{2} (2) No Execution: Hael{1}, JNV{1}, Resolute{3} (2) Destined/Mat: Pardigm, Hael (2) No Execution: JNV, Resolute (1) Hael: Destined (1) Resolute/Aeoryi: Raveness
  12. While I've not shifted my vote yet, flagging that someone probably needs to talk me out of this if they don't want me to move my vote to Mat before the end of cycle. New Post that will probably be Merged Actually I am going to shift my vote from No Vote to Ookla the Destined / Mat as I've realised that verifying them also lets us have more confidence in any future scans they make, if they turn out to indeed be a Village Innkeeper.
  13. No, we lose if two villagers die to the execution (the day vote). The veteran dying at night, or someone with the same alignment as the fool dying at night, do not count towards the two village execution total.
  14. Best case scenario, Ookla the Destined gets executed, and we verify 3 players as village. Night 1, Ravens tries to kill the Forsaken, gets it wrong, and dies. That verifies both Ravens and their target as not the Forsaken. That means that Day 2 we've good odds on knowing that 5 of the 8 players are not the Forsaken, without refering to any other scans. I don't claim without very good reason as a matter of policy. People who've played with me before probably can verify that. Kas would know best, but Kas is the GM and can't weigh in on things. But I can certainly go find links to the various posts I've made in the past about Op Sec if you'd like. I've not ruled out claiming yet, but I've not spent enough time considering the matter. I don't immediately see the value in doing so. Well, maybe. Give me a little longer to think. Vote Tally (0) Devotary: Resolute{1} (0) Ravens: Destined{1} (0-1) Destined/Mat: Ravens{1}, Pardigm{2}? (1) Hael: Destined{2} (1) JNV: Resolute{2} (0) Paradigm/Archer: Devotary{1} (1-2) Resolute/Aeoryi: Paradigm{1}, Raveness{1} (0) Raveness/Wizard: Devotary{2} (1) No Execution: Hael{1} (1?) Destined/Mat: Pardigm (1) Hael: Destined (1) JNV: Resolute (1?) Resolute/Aeoryi: Paradigm, Raveness (1) No Execution: Hael Well it agrees with mine provided we allow new votes without retracting the previous!
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