ArchonTremaine

Given the time frame you gave me, most 'revolutions' where independence struggles. (or wars of faith, which never end well)

I haven't called fro the mass murder of the nobility, I have repeatedly stated they should be exiled, with enough supplies and tools to survive to the first harvest, to the far side of the roughs. On the French revolution: what certainly didn't help was the near constant declarations of war and threat of invasion by the rest of europe (For instance the only war Napoleon started was the one that ended at Waterloo, all others so the peninsula war, the Russian war etc, where responses to declarations and attacks that had been on going since the revolution, if not before, not that he was a nice man, but facts are facts) The Russian Civil war was made worse by the invasion by the Allies after world war 1, Iran? That was all them admittedly. The Romanian Revolution went fairly well, The Mexican War of Independence worked out ok, the Venezuelan War of Independence went ok, Greek War of Independence, Belgian Revolution went ok, Texas Revolution went ok, the Glorious Revolution in Spain went ok, The Haitian Revolution went ok. Basically a lot of violent revolution have turned out well, their are some absolute horror shows in that bag as well however.

House Harms aren't tho, they still live in unearned privilege of the blood and sweat of others by nothing but accident of birth, and demand special privileges because of said accident. They aren't actively involved in crime, unlike the vast majority of houses, doesn't make them a counterexample, just means they are a generation or two away from being the same, the house system as an institution needs obliterating in such a way no one dares raise a nobility again. Harmony is not a person, Harmony WAS Sazed, in the same way a moth was a caterpillar, doesn't mean he is benevolent now (not that it makes him malevolent either, just in my view wrong, utterly wrong)

have to say the EU does a better job of the jedi and sith, (mind defiling buggers that they both are) making it clearer and obvious how they are two sides of the same coin. Which leads me to a 'fridge' moment: Autonomy and Harmony, could we be looking at two definitions of free will clashing?

the thing is, her conclusions about the society needing burning to the ground where not far off the same as I came to during the first book, let alone the second, so I found her a lot more sympathetic.

By that measure the founding rebellions of most ex-colonial nations where not justified. Or rather the forces attempting to stop them were justified...can we have a situation in which both groups are justified in their actions? Some of Paalms actions where not justified (And we do not know whether the contract was entered in of her own free will, it may have been a new master of the previous contract with the Lord Ruler, she did however initially serve willingly, so this mitigates that either way) , we do not know if she could have openly preached, or what was in place to prevent her doing so, we also do not know what her training was, and how she was used to completing missions, she may have simply been using the methods Harmony had previously allowed her to use for him, in ways now counter to his interests( For instance how brutal had Harmony allowed/required her to be to keep cover while working as an outlaw) . This happens when soldiers rebel, they keep acting on the skills they have built up, with a new mission, some may turn into politicians, but history shows us more who fight, tooth and nail.

why do people keep saying she was insane? She HAD 2 spikes, the mystery spike and the elemantic spike, just not two Sazed could use. Being wrong or even evil does not make her mad (and I do not think she was wrong), it makes her ruthless and driven, something that perfectly sane people have always been capable of, don't diminish what she chose to try to achieve, or the methods she used, for blaming them on mental illness.

Not down voted anyone, done one upvote because someone had downvoted by mistake and asked for it to be fixed, not going to downvote someone who disagrees with me about a fictional universe that is open to interpretation for having a different view from me. Also not going to bring real religion or politics in, this is fiction, I prefer to keep it that way.

yes, especially in a universe with an afterlife, death is a lesser evil than slavery. On the two spikes issue: I took it from the book that Paalm had one spike people knew about and the 'mystery spike'. Paralysing her with drugs would have been lesser than the direct intrusion of a foreign mind into her brain and the usurpation of her nervous system. (I also don't like what Jedi do, for the same reason) or a poison that worked on Kandra for example, unpleasant, but better than the mind control

1) They have been killed before, so it is possible. 2) No indication of that, she had rebelled, and done what was needed for that rebellion to work, and found a way to evade Harmony while she was at it, oh and to keep her sentience. She was perfectly sane and rational and carrying out a plan, 'sane' does not mean 'nice' or even 'good' but she isn't the one claiming moral authority due to divinity, Harmony is, and he is breaking his own rules to do it.

Kill her, clean, no desecration of the will, let her go to the afterlife we know this setting has. The act itself is unforgivable, whether for a second, an hour or a lifetime.

Their is no reason good enough for mind rape and slavery, it is torture, plain and simple, and their is never a reason good enough for that.

Yes, she did. she makes it clear 'he's back. I'd rather be dead than his slave' (having to paraphrase from the Audiobook.) Then she suicides, that does imply control, on the second point ,for some reason I thought you had made the point about soldiers.

1) Britain had 2, the France had..several, America had..2 sort of, definitely one, and maybe two depending how you see the civil war, Italy had one, Russia had several goes and one that (tragically) worked. Most countries have had them, the ones that didn't the nobility had the sense to bow out quickly and cleanly, the Houses have not, so straighten the scythes it's time for a revolt. 2)Death is better than then the denial of will. Also it was clear in the conversation between Wax and Harmony that it would not be a temporary removal of free will, he could not do it at that time, but no reason to assume that his plan changed, to sock puppet her back to the Kandra and have her brain washed into obedience again.

because it wasn't it was have a revolution that needs to happen, and make i more violent than it needed to be (which means Red Terror level, it needs to be French Revolution level) and mind rape, the negation of free will and enslavement a fate so terrible painful suicide was preferable, and Harmony made clear he would take control, when he was telling Wax about Bleeder. Which in my view is never moral, no excuses, never.