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I would think the well of ascension would still exist and that one of Harmony's shardpools would be the well. TLR's palace was preserved during the catacendre because there were people hiding inside. So I think one pool is under Elendel itself. But two shards equal two shardpools, right? So there is a second one elsewhere.

Well, it is possible, but not fully confirmed: This little tidbit from OB suggests that even if the Heralds don't come from Nalthis, at least one of them might have been there at some point, or Vashar came to Roshar even before WB. Edit - opps i didn't realize until now that this wasn't the OB spoiler board. I hope I didnt violate rules.

I think its supposed to come up later in Oathbringer. I'll tell you the headline without giving away much in the spoiler tag. Up to you if you decide to view it.

Speaking of the Hoid scenes at the end of each book, I would bet the reason Hoid was actually there when Taln arrived at the end of WoK was to replace the Heralds Honorblade with a regular Shardblade.

I haven't read either Elantris or Warbreaker for long time. Time for a reread soon. I remember reading that curse but I didn't remember it as an Elantrian curse. Umm, remember that Odium was the humans deity when they came to Roshar and were named voidbringers. The Voidbringers are basiclly the ones fighting for Odium. Although, it might be true that Passion name fits better academically, I think when Odium showed Dalinar his power, Dalinar saw more hate then any other emotion. And Ruin was just as capable of acting nice as Odium, though you are right that Ruin probably would have taken immediate advantage where Odium allowed Dalinar to reconsider. It isn't the parshmen who are the bad guys here, it is their leaders. This is what this book makes clear to me. The parshmen just can't or won't switch sides because the other side had enslaved and abused their kind. The enemy here is Odium and those who follow him, be they human, listener, or spen.

I finished the book in two long days staying up until 3 am on busy work days. I’m glad I already had a head start with having read part 1 on Tor.com. I’m not going to reread it right away though. I’m going to wait a while and then get the audiobook, so I can reread it properly (without skimming the interludes or less exciting parts, just because I wanted to get to the next Kaladin, or Shallan, or Dalinar, or whoevers last chapter stopped at a bit of a cliffhanger.) That said, here are my thoughts on the book…. First off, I loved Lift and Dalinars first meeting, both in the vision, and physically face to face. Both scenes were hilarious, and Lift predictably eats Dalinars lunch. I’d have been disappointed if she hadn’t, though it seems Sanderson went too obviously out of his way for her to get the opportunity to eat it. Dalinar was visiting the Emperor’s Palace for goodness sake. Obviously, such a place would offer refreshment and something to eat for a high ranking person without even being asked. Why bring lunch? So Lift can steal it, of course. Still a fun scene. I wanted to see Dalinars reaction to her eating his lunch with her Shardfork though. I definitely didn’t think Elhokar would really fail in taking Kholinar, much less get killed while trying. I was cheering for him to learn how to be a better king. He was improving but I was a bit disappointed that he died, though not really sad. I wonder why it was so important for Wit (Hoid) to rescue what I presume is the Pattern spren that may have been in the process of bonding with Elhokar. And did Wit bond that spren? He started speaking the first Ideal, though he didn’t finish it. I’m glad the love triangle resolved itself peacefully. I hate love triangles. Now we need Kaladin to find someone special so that the “what if’s” don’t haunt him. I was right about the Dawnsingers and the Listeners being one and the same. I always assumed that Odium came to Roshar on his own, after the humans, Dawnsingers, Cultivation, and Honor had already settled in, and that the Desolations started after Odium arrived and gave the Dawnsingers new forms turning them into Voidbringers. I was wrong there. But I think the arriving humans must have been surgebinding using Voidlight instead of stormlight if Odium was their god. There are so many scenes that I would have loved to see at the end. Szeths first meeting with Dalinar and/or Kaladin. Kaladin killed him after all and has to have been wondering what's going on. Jasnah’s reaction to becoming queen. Nalan’s reaction to Jezrien’s death. If he suspects the parshmen had something to do with it….. I would have wanted to see his reaction and what that reaction would be. Moash…… I hate him, I hate him, I hate him!!!!!!! Same with Taravangian. It seems he is set in his belief that if he can’t be in charge of saving the world, then the world can’t be saved. We got to view a letter from Sazed (Harmony) to Hoid. I will be interested to see where that leads. What is it with so many from Nalthis being in Roshar? We have Vashar, Nightblood, and Azure, and the man at the lighthouse in Shadesmar asked Kaladin what Heightening he has achieved when he realized Kaladin is invested, so I assume he’s from there too. I also wonder if Azure’s blade is awakened or was it created another way. Hoid was also showing off awakening in the epilogue, though we knew he had at least achieved the second Heightening from what he said to Kaladin in prison in WoR. And I am pretty sure Azure was using Awakening to fight the Fused after Kaladin, Shallan and Adolin left the honorspren boat. I wish we could have read that scene. Those are some of my thoughts and ramblings. I really loved the book and easily give it 5 stars. Book 4 now please!?!?!?

The diagram would kind of actually fit with Cultivation a bit. To use another gardening metaphor, it would be like pruning hedges. Or maybe plowing a field overgrown with weeds so you can plant a new crop. Effective methods perhaps, but those methods aren't very nice to the people being pruned or plowed under.

I'm not really caught up with all the theories so i have no idea if anything i will mention now has been proposed before or if Sanderson has confirmed or denied any of it. Anyway, if i understand things correctly, the Parshendi are native to Roshar, predating the humans arrival or the arrival of any shards (honor, cultivation, odium). I believe i've read somewhere, though i'm not sure where, that spren and the even the unique ecosystem on Roshar existed before the shattering of Adonalsium. Correct me if i'm wrong. So, getting to my point, we know the parshendi are the Voidbringers, but it is Odium's spren that make it so. Before Odium came, presumably they were just the Listeners. However, during my recent reread of The Way of Kings, i have wondered if perhaps its possible that the humans had a different name for them. Who else thinks that just maybe the Voidbringers and the Dawnsingers are both the same --- that they are both the Parshendi

Same here. I don't have the book in written format so I can't easily look it up, but Hoid either mentions his name or there is a description because I recognized the beggar as Hoid immediately and without a doubt.

I don't think they would here the screams. Their Nahel bond is broken and I believe that is what lets them here the screams.

Oh wow!!! This thing, I did not know it!! (poor attempt at horneater accent)

I chose Roshar/Nalthis. Roshar for access to Stormlight and control over gravity. I'd prefer to be a Windrunner I think. Nalthis mostly for the longevity. If I had to choose olny one, it would defiantly be Roshar though.

I think I've also seen a WoB where he said that we had barely scratched the surface of what is possible with atium. If the same is true with Larasium, then who knows what Hoid did with it. It was part of Preservation power so it can probably do a lot more then just make some mistborn.

I'm currently rereading WoR and I'd like to mention a couple things I noticed about Hoid. Most of you have probably noticed these things too and might have even mentioned them on the forum but I don't visit the forum as often as I'd like. The first thing is in one of Shallan's flashbacks when Hoid slipped some powder into his own drink. I knew that Hoid was probably a mistborn because he had that bead of Larasium from Mistborn "Secret History", but this very nearly confirms this. Also by the Cosmeres timeline, this means that the Stormlight Archive come after Mistborn Era 1 if this theory is correct. Warbreaker was one of the first Brandon Sanderson books I read quite a few years ago and since I only recently reread it for the second time, I'm not surprised that I missed this next piece of information until now. Hoid, when visiting Kaladin in prison, was tuning his instrument and said "Perfect pitch makes this all so much easier than it once was. . . ." It seems that Hoid has gotten himself quite a few Breaths.

Lunu‘anaki is the Horneater god of travel and mischief according to Rock. The following is a few paragraphs from WoR where Rock claims to have met him. I'd use the spoiler tag but I can't seem to make it work. That sounds a lot like Hoid to me. Sigzils reaction is just more proof for me since Hoid was his master training him to he a Worldsinger. Also, could the "oceans" on the peaks as Rock calls them be shard pools?