Zionite Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) In one of Dalinars Visions,he noted that the shardblades and plates abandoned by the KR during Recreancewas substantially larger than the ones he knew about in present day.Which means there is a substantial amount of Shardblades and Shardplates that are missing.Question is where are they? My guess is someone has them.Some secret player collected this shardweapons and now has an entire army of Shardbearers at its command hidden away from the public. Looking at the various secret factions at work in Roshar, My money is on it being the Skybreakers. I Expect Naln to show up with an army of shardbearers in Book 3 Edited April 23, 2014 by Zionite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numb Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 That isn't the only conclusion you can make from that. Shardplate change slightly over time to fit their user more. Blades we know get partially revived when summon so it's possible that they to change over time to better fit the user. Men no longer fight giant beings so having huge shardblades doesn't make much sense but since they aren't fully alive they aren't able to change to the degree Syl does, instead they just become a bit smaller. That's my 2 cents. I do think it's possible that there are a lot of shardblades we don't know about AND they do adapt over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zionite Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 That isn't the only conclusion you can make from that. Shardplate change slightly over time to fit their user more. Blades we know get partially revived when summon so it's possible that they to change over time to better fit the user. Men no longer fight giant beings so having huge shardblades doesn't make much sense but since they aren't fully alive they aren't able to change to the degree Syl does, instead they just become a bit smaller. That's my 2 cents. I do think it's possible that there are a lot of shardblades we don't know about AND they do adapt over time. There were 300 shardblades and plates left behind by KR during the recreance.Fastforward to present day and there are less than a 100 known shards.Where are the missing 200 shards? My guess is someone has them-Someone hiddn and my money is on Skybreakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 We do see some of Nale's henchmen in the Lift interlude bearing Shardblades. Assuming those Blades aren't their own highspren/Blades, the Skybreakers could quite conceivably have some of the missing Shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zionite Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 We do see some of Nale's henchmen in the Lift interlude bearing Shardblades. Assuming those Blades aren't their own highspren/Blades, the Skybreakers could quite conceivably have some of the missing Shards. Good point. If the Skybreakers do have the missing Shardweaapons that makes them very dangerous.....I mean 200 Shards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I think it's just because there are a lot of people who have Shardblades that the main governments don't know about. Lyss the Weeper has one, the Parshendi had some, the Ghostbloods have some, etc etc. And others might have just been lost/buried/hidden-and-forgotten over the years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 And others might have just been lost/buried/hidden-and-forgotten over the years. Losing a Shardblade is roughly 50% as annoying as losing car keys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 That sounds like a good Alcatraz analogy! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 In Dalinars Vision, he only saw two of the Nine orders abandon their Shards. 150 * 9 =1350 Shards, not including the one Order that Didn't abandon their Shards. And Current Theory is that the Shin have the Shards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aether Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 Those numbers are probably exaggerated though. Remember that the Orders differed in size, and that some of them didn't have shards at all. But even that taken into account, and considering that many shards have probably been lost and hidden over the years, there still seems to be WAY too few that are known. I suspect that there has been a conscious effort to hide most of them away, just as has already been proposed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardmancer Posted April 24, 2014 Report Share Posted April 24, 2014 There are definatly events that occured in the past that dont seem to match up.. From Szeth rants you can also make make out that there are stories have been changed and altered- seemingly on purpose- the true orchestrators behind this are probably closer to the story than you might think...(remmeber people can also bond multiple shards- maybe some dude has bonded like shards.) If anyone has an army of shardbears though prob KING Taravangian.. (he probably knows where they all are anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Maybe the other Radiants didn't leave their dead spren behind in the form of Shardblades. I don't think a blade just happens to be the natural state of dead spren. In fact, I bet the reason the Shardblades are all locked in an endless cycle of agony is because their bonds were broken when they were so fully in the Physical realm like that. So I bet the 1,000+ Shardblades The Only Joe mentioned were never around to begin with. As for the missing 200, my money is on about half of them floating about like RShara said and the other half in someone's stockpile. I'm fine with them all being in Shinovar, but I think it would be cool if some faction came out of left field as a major threat because they happened to have the largest single collection of Shardblades in the world. When you think about it, Shinovar doesn't necessarily make sense as the location of the horde. The breaking of the Oathpact and the Recreance are unrelated, and I would think that the Shin having the Honorblades is directly related to the breaking of the Oathpact. I don't really see how, "Okay, now let's gather up all these Shardblades," follows from an imperative to safeguard the Honorblades. I can think of a million ways that they could hypothetically get there, but I don't see it as necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 We have a WoB that a Blade is the default form of a spren whose KR has broken his/her oath, assuming she/he got that far in the ideals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 In Dalinars Vision, he only saw two of the Nine orders abandon their Shards. 150 * 9 =1350 Shards, not including the one Order that Didn't abandon their Shards. And Current Theory is that the Shin have the Shards. We don't have a clear idea of how many Radiants were there. Only that some Orders had very few members like the Bondsmiths who were three at the most. Some Orders were mainly scholars, may be they didn't leave behind their Shards when they broke their oaths. Yet this leaves a few hundreds Shards. Some might be hidden in Urithiru, others are probably in the hands of all the secret societies going around, others with the Shin or the last standing Order. But overall I don't think there are a thousand missing Shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Okay, Let me set some things straight. At the Fortress, Dalinar saw 2 full orders leave behind their Shardblades. 300 Blades were left there. But there were also 2 orders, the bondsmith and Skybreakers, who didn't leave behind 150 shards, due to having only 3 members or not ever breaking their oaths. So we're left with 8 orders. Jasnah said that only a third of the KR were warriors. So, 8 Orders, multiplied by 150 shardblades each, divided by one third of total KR Warriors equals 400 total Shardblades. Dalinar knows of 100. Only 300 blades are missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) Okay, Let me set some things straight. At the Fortress, Dalinar saw 2 full orders leave behind their Shardblades. 300 Blades were left there. But there were also 2 orders, the bondsmith and Skybreakers, who didn't leave behind 150 shards, due to having only 3 members or not ever breaking their oaths. So we're left with 8 orders. Jasnah said that only a third of the KR were warriors. So, 8 Orders, multiplied by 150 shardblades each, divided by one third of total KR Warriors equals 400 total Shardblades. Dalinar knows of 100. Only 300 blades are missing. Why do you think each of the rest 8 Orders had 150 Radiants? For all we know, Windrunners and Stonewards could have had the largest number. Edited May 5, 2014 by Aleksiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Until we have more Information, I'm going to Assume that the other 8 all had on average 150 Blades, otherwise the Calculation would be (8 Orders x 150 +- 100) / 3 = between 133 and 666 Blades. 400 Blades is a nice even average. If you can find concrete proof, like a WoB saying that the Windrunners were the biggest, then I'll adjust my Calculations. Otherwise, we have to work with what we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Odium converts the Spren in the Shardblades......O.O 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 I kind of hope there's some family passing down 50 Shards or so, with the recipient spending a year in retreat bonding them upon inheritance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxingwass Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 IIRC, didn't Shallan say something about wanting to categorize all the Alethi shards? (Sorry for lack of reference, don't have my copy with me). Seems to me it was just an excuse for some of her antics, but i wonder if this could lead to more in-world realization of the amount of missing shards unaccounted for? On a related note, if Naln's been tracking down surgebinders as well as collecting "mostly dead" shardblades, how many of those surgebinders had oath-ed enough to have "new" live-spren shardblades that he could collect as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 The living shardblades with Dead bondmates wouldn't act the same as a blade with an Oath Breaking Bondmate. If Kaladin died for example, I think Syl would be able to go back to Shadesmar, but if Kaladin breaks his Oathes again, then she's an inanimate shartdblade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) Really? I thought if a Radiant breaks his oaths without the spren in Shardblade, then it just returns to Shadesmar or something, but doesn't end up as a dead Blade.The Recreance wouldn't have be considered a big deal and there would have been thousands of Blades, if every dead Radiant left behind Shards. The spren of a dead Radiant is free to bond with someone else, unless that Radiant purposely left his/her spren as a Blade and broke the oaths. Edited May 6, 2014 by Aleksiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreathTaker Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) I believe it's safe to say that at least one set of plate and a blade it in the Soul Calibur universe, Nightmare is clearly a full shardbearer, think about it the sword is actually referred to as the Soul Edge, IT EATS SOULS! Edited May 6, 2014 by BreathTaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 We've only seen a small percentage of the Rosharan population, but of those, we've seen at least six unaccounted-for Shards, so I'm still staying with my theory that there are just a lot that have been lost or that Dalinar just doesn't know about. 1 Blade and 1 Plate with Eshonai 1 Blade and 1 Plate with Helaran 1 Blade with Lyss, The Weeper 1 Blade with Nalan/Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 The odd thing is the Plate. That doesn't disappear like the Swords, so where is all the Missing Plates and Bowls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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